I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion.

Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say.

Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism.

I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism.

Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you.

I'll start the ball rolling with sex workers. What is your opinion of sex workers?

Some feminists argue that sex workers are true feminists. That the merchandising of the female body belongs to the female and it is a source of women's power to so utilise this resource.

Some argue that prostitution is ok but stripping is not.

Some argue that stripping is ok but prostitution is not.

This argument more than any other divides feminists.

I myself have no problem with prostitution providing the women are safe and empowered but i find stripping and sex shows highly exploitative and dangerous to both the women performing and the wider community.

Strip-tease is WAY more female 'empowering' than prostitution which ultimately submits to 'invasion' and 'dominance' by the male client.

Strip-tease is a taunting activity which sees men remaining in their seats and emasculated as passive voyeurs.

I have differing views on feminsim depending who is antagonising me on any given day-  I actually dislike the word intensely - my stock standard position on the F word is this - I think it has set women back a long way in the scheme of things over the last two decades-  we ( women) no longer are taken seriously by men and even other women that is why I will never call myself a feminist because the word/notion is so loaded with negative connotations..

I have seen the what it has done to male /female relationships and I dont call that freedom for women nor men- enormous damage has been done !

The only issues I see as having any merit based in human relations ( and that is what feminism should really be called after all) is a woman's right to choose( or not) to have an abortion and a womans right to feel safe on the street or in her home-  these types of issues relating to women should be the only ones that should have any basis in an arguement about women in society- every thing else is rubbish- just whinging- its late , Im gone  zzzzz

The word feminism should be scrapped. Its a $hit word. The word throws up barriers.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion. Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say. Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism. I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism. Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you.

Then you've probably answered your own question in that you don't want a male opinion.

I would be interested to hear your opinion Amadd- you have interesting veiw points on this topic.

Then what can I say?

Men and women are different and there really can be no equality in all aspects.

Feminism to me, means a movement to make up for some assumed lost ground.
There's been many women that have done well in traditional men's domain whilst relying only on what and who they are.
Unfortunately, feminists seem to think that it's some type of insult to themselves if they can't beat men in men's domain.

I don't see many men crying foul because they can't give birth to a child or do any of the other beautiful things a women can do, although there are a few who vainly attempt to mimic.

I think it's a "suck in" for women to attempt to be men, and really, that's what feminists are doing.

It makes for plenty of misery.

Amadd wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 2:18am:

Then what can I say? Men and women are different and there really can be no equality in all aspects. Feminism to me, means a movement to make up for some assumed lost ground. There's been many women that have done well in traditional men's domain whilst relying only on what and who they are. Unfortunately, feminists seem to think that it's some type of insult to themselves if they can't beat men in men's domain. I don't see many men crying foul because they can't give birth to a child or do any of the other beautiful things a women can do, although there are a few who vainly attempt to mimic. I think it's a "suck in" for women to attempt to be men, and really, that's what feminists are doing. It makes for plenty of misery.

  I agree that men and women are different- for women to be equal to men they would have to be men- and I wouldnt want that anyway- I like being a female- I like being a mother to children etc- I like my lot in life-

There are glaring problems for women of course but they can be dealt as a humanitarian issue rather than a feminism issue- feminism seeks to divide the sexes and that is very counter productive- like it or not we live on this planet as two halves ofa  whole ( for the most part) and nature has made it that way for a very good reason- pro creationational purposes.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion. Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say. Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism. I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism. Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you.

Now that is something I totally agree with.

I must not be feeling too well today. I've agreed with something Mothra has posted. This is a bad sign  :-/

Why is it "feminism" and not just "female"?

Is there some specific power a feminist holds over the plebeian female population?

I almost believe that feminism isnt even a relevant  "thing" anymore- more like just plain tired and cliche'. This thread was very hard to "rev" up- doesn't surprise  me.

Why do straight men devote so much head-space to those big, bulbous bags of fat drooping from women's chests? Scientists have never satisfactorily explained men's curious breast fixation (see figure #1), but now, a neuroscientist has struck upon an explanation that he says "just makes a lot of sense."

Larry Young, a professor of psychiatry at Emory University who studies the neurological basis of complex social behaviors, thinks human evolution has harnessed an ancient neural circuit that originally evolved to strengthen the mother-infant bond during breast-feeding, and now uses this brain circuitry to strengthen the bond between couples as well. The result? Men, like babies, love breasts.

When a woman's nipples are stimulated during breast-feeding, the neurochemical oxytocin, otherwise known as the "love drug," floods her brain, helping to focus her attention and affection on her baby. But research over the past few years has shown that in humans, this circuitry isn't just reserved for exclusive use by infants.

Recent studies have found that nipple stimulation enhances sexual arousal in the great majority of women, and it activates the same brain areas as vaginal stimulation. When a sexual partner touches, massages or nibbles a woman's breasts, Young said, this triggers the release of oxytocin in the woman's brain, just like what happens when a baby nurses. But in this context, the oxytocin focuses the woman's attention on her sexual partner, strengthening her desire to bond with this person.


In other words, men can make themselves more desirable by stimulating a woman's breasts during foreplay and sex. Evolution has, in a sense, made men want to do this.
http://suckersonparade.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/a-new-theory-on-why-men-love-boobies.html#.VdRc4PmqpBd

Men who know this are feminists, no? This is a woman-centred thing so it is a kinda feminism.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion. Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say. Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism. I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism. Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you.

Isn't every human life a personal journey? Let's see if what you wrote applies to everyone:


I am a firm believer in each and every person embracing what is relevant to him/her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism personal dignity.

People Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within humanity  feminism.

Even if you don't identify as a person feminist, i want to hear what human dignity feminism means to you.



I don't think feminism has anything to offer over and above human dignity.  The 'men's movement is a pathetic mirror image of feminism. Campaign for human dignity, not sectarian feminism or men's movement or gay rights or all that tribal sh!te.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuI6GTY9eVc

What does feminism mean to you?

A good intentioned idea that has backfired badly on woman and families.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 26^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

What does feminism mean to you? A good intentioned idea that has backfired badly on woman and families.

like all good intentions dna... it ends up abused taken over by the overzealous...greenpeace is the same...

I have never been a joiner...one thing I cant stand is anyone else telling me what to think...and especially to gang up on someone or something....and thats what the people who run these things do....the power of bullying to get your own way....no thanks..the way I see it feminism has done more harm than it ever did good.this is one example of freedom for us girls..

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/outrage-over-sydneys-cruise-bar-party-as-naked-women-hired-as-fruit-platters-and-hand-fed-guests/story-fni0cvc9-1227500541400


if this is what they have come down to doing   for money today....  >:( >:(

Dnarever wrote on Aug 26^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

What does feminism mean to you? A good intentioned idea that has backfired badly on woman and families.

Yep.

If Lisa doesn’t like feminism then feminism has a lot going for it!

Was born out of WWII where women had to work because the blokes were off playing soldiers. Same thing happened in/after WWI but womens rights were lost in the high unemployment in the UK etc.

Feminism is not going away and has new battlegrounds: unequal pay for equal work, less superannuation due to lower pay and having to take time off from work/career to bring kids into the world and bring them up.

Inadequate males are threatened by feminism but stuff them!

With all due respect to the women of this forum, I think feminism is like a really important bill that never gets passed into legislation because of all the dubious baggage that gets tacked on by fringe special interest groups.

A group that has so little to fight for in the west it has to make up issues.
A group that not only fails to note any of the genuine suffering in other parts of the world, but goes so far as to side with those causing the suffering.
A group that stands against free speech and critical thought.
A divided group which is no longer aware of quite what it stands for.
A group so divided it takes to speaking for races and sexualities that have no want for them.
A group that will oppress others to force a minority to do something that makes it miserable.
A group willing to discriminate on the base of sex, race, sexuality and religious conviction and then call people sexists, bigots, racists, homophobes and islamiphobes.

I know this thread asked for only women to right, but the day feminism declared it spoke for gays, it gave me a right to speak on it (or better yet, the moment the people took the right to free speech, I was given the right to speak on it).

I honestly think that these days feminism means the oppression of men.But there are different types of feminism and different levels so sometimes it means equality of the sexes, other times it means more than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4IpNvMbUaU



Time for a flashback,,, but remember it is a flashback

To me, the position of feminism means that those women who are not readily attractive to men will hold the same power (if not more) of those who are.

A bit silly IMO.

In our society, this ridiculous concept seems to be pointing otherwise normal contributing women into a life of destitude in the name of media driven pride.

The Libertarian wrote on Mar 5^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

A group that has so little to fight for in the west it has to make up issues. A group that not only fails to note any of the genuine suffering in other parts of the world, but goes so far as to side with those causing the suffering. A group that stands against free speech and critical thought. A divided group which is no longer aware of quite what it stands for. A group so divided it takes to speaking for races and sexualities that have no want for them. A group that will oppress others to force a minority to do something that makes it miserable. A group willing to discriminate on the base of sex, race, sexuality and religious conviction and then call people sexists, bigots, racists, homophobes and islamiphobes. I know this thread asked for only women to right, but the day feminism declared it spoke for gays, it gave me a right to speak on it (or better yet, the moment the people took the right to free speech, I was given the right to speak on it).

Something like that. Pfft....it's a shame that modern women seem to be so silly sometimes.

Like the wheelie bin mom that no natural man would want to be associated with. Where's she wheelie been?

Just another minority group who think they have achieved all before achieving anything.

Quote:

I honestly think that these days feminism means the oppression of men.But there are different types of feminism and different levels so sometimes it means equality of the sexes, other times it means more than this.

Agreed.

wats wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2016 at 3:58am:

I honestly think that these days feminism means the oppression of men.But there are different types of feminism and different levels so sometimes it means equality of the sexes, other times it means more than this.

some women may not realise it but also the oppresssion of women

Agnes wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 9:09am:

wats wrote on Oct 23rd, 2016 at 3:58am: I honestly think that these days feminism means the oppression of men.But there are different types of feminism and different levels so sometimes it means equality of the sexes, other times it means more than this. some women may not realise it but also the oppresssion of women

It's no secret that women "dress to impress" other women, not men.

I think that many less physically attractive women tend to attempt to "stomp on men" in an effort to impress other women and assume themselves as smarter than an attractive woman.

Then there is another angle of feminism which promotes women's sexuality with public nudity of attractive bodies...go figure.

How's about we just ignore them all and just fly our planes?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion. Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say. Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism. I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism. Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you.

I'm not a woman but I'll ask my wife to answer if you'll accept what she says under a post by me. Feminism to me has always be about equality and I endorse that whole heartedly. My wife used to be a fundy christian, said I should rule over her, I refused. I will accept, in our relationship, if there is a final word, it's usually mine. Not because I am better, smarter etc but because I can remove emotion and be very pragmatic. I also "read" people better.

We are friends and partners(I hate that word post 1990, she's my WIFE) in a journey, each others strengths and weaknesses need a bit of balance. She is my better in may ways and although I don't see it, it must be reciprocal or we wouldn't have lasted 32 years.

At times I have earned more and at times she has, we were paid for the job we did, for the hours we did. She does not see a wage gap but understands women may earn less over a lifetime because, like her, they made a choice of children over money. In fact so did I. She was a latchkey kid with two professional parents. One a Psychologist, the other a teacher who taught teachers at Churchlands Teachers College.  We made a decision to never leave our kids at home alone. Both she and I worked part time for years to ensure that. My super is as lacking as any woman's.

Now I see "feminism" trying, amonst other irrationsal stuff, to get extra(pay gap) because women take time off and lose money because they "choose" to have kids. It's a choice and it is ultimately under their control, they should work it out with their other half rather than society about their pay or don't make the "choice", a choice that men cannot make.

My son had a friend that used to come around, she talked a like you about the sad state of women in our society, we had the pay arguments, $20@hour means for every hour you work, you get that pay, you want more money, work more. Men are paid the same and have since the 1970s. She spat the dummy because I was sexist. Couldn't handle the truth. No matter that I also, because I worked part time to make sure someone was home with our kids, was in the same boat.

Feminism has lost it's meaning in western countries beyond what we have. Any more and it's about regency not equality. Go free the Indian women, go do some good for the sisterhood.

What's that joke? Ohh, not applicable to me but for Grap.. I'll never get married again. Next time I'll just buy a house for a woman I don't like.


edit: My youngest son has just become a registered nurse and been offered a post grad position, he has worked in aged care for a few years while doing his degree. One year of the nursing degree qualifies you as an AIN. This is considered one of the jobs that women are hard done by in, is my son? If he, the other men that do it and there are quite a few, and the women are paid the same, as they are, where is the equality problem?

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 12:19am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 12:39am: I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion. Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say. Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism. I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism. Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you. I'm not a woman but I'll ask my wife to answer if you'll accept what she says under a post by me. Feminism to me has always be about equality and I endorse that whole heartedly. My wife used to be a fundy christian, said I should rule over her, I refused. I will accept, in our relationship, if there is a final word, it's usually mine. Not because I am better, smarter etc but because I can remove emotion and be very pragmatic. I also "read" people better. We are friends and partners(I hate that word post 1990, she's my WIFE) in a journey, each others strengths and weaknesses need a bit of balance. She is my better in may ways and although I don't see it, it must be reciprocal or we wouldn't have lasted 32 years. At times I have earned more and at times she has, we were paid for the job we did, for the hours we did. She does not see a wage gap but understands women may earn less over a lifetime because, like her, they made a choice of children over money. In fact so did I. She was a latchkey kid with two professional parents. One a Psychologist, the other a teacher who taught teachers at Churchlands Teachers College.  We made a decision to never leave our kids at home alone. Both she and I worked part time for years to ensure that. My super is as lacking as any woman's. Now I see "feminism" trying, amonst other irrationsal stuff, to get extra(pay gap) because women take time off and lose money because they "choose" to have kids. It's a choice and it is ultimately under their control, they should work it out with their other half rather than society about their pay or don't make the "choice", a choice that men cannot make. My son had a friend that used to come around, she talked a like you about the sad state of women in our society, we had the pay arguments, $20@hour means for every hour you work, you get that pay, you want more money, work more. Men are paid the same and have since the 1970s. She spat the dummy because I was sexist. Couldn't handle the truth. No matter that I also, because I worked part time to make sure someone was home with our kids, was in the same boat. Feminism has lost it's meaning in western countries beyond what we have. Any more and it's about regency not equality. Go free the Indian women, go do some good for the sisterhood. What's that joke? Ohh, not applicable to me but for Grap.. I'll never get married again. Next time I'll just buy a house for a woman I don't like. edit: My youngest son has just become a registered nurse and been offered a post grad position, he has worked in aged care for a few years while doing his degree. One year of the nursing degree qualifies you as an AIN. This is considered one of the jobs that women are hard done by in, is my son? If he, the other men that do it and there are quite a few, and the women are paid the same, as they are, where is the equality problem?

Setanta, the pay gap is more complicated than simply taking time off of work to have children.

It also refers to women being in positions of less power, women and men working in different industries, women and men having different advancement possibilites and the availability of work experience and seniority.

I know of your selfless dedication to your family. You've spoken about it before. My hat is tipped to you. But your wife is an exception, not a rule. ost women are not so lucky. At the very least they need latter pregnancy and early breastfeeding time off. This interferes with careers.

Furthermore, women of child-bearing age are often discriminated against when applying for positions or promotions, because of they time they may need to take off. Irrespective of whether they are maternally inclined or not.
Simply because they are women.

Feminism is still needed in western societies because where a woman is called aggressive, a man is called assertive. Where a woman is called a ball-breaker, a man is called a go-getter. While a woman is called a slut, a man is called a player. While a woman is quantified by the way she looks, a man is quantified by the way he performs. While a woman is called hormonal, a man is called being in touch with his emotions.

And the list goes on.

I have 2 children. A girl child and a boy child. You know that already.

My daughter was sexuaalised at the age of 12. My son is 10. I see no such thing on the horizon for him.

We need feminism because the patriarchy hurts men and women both.

And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused.

If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women.

Women are working tirelessly to help.

Good men are working tirelessly to help.

Watch this. Four and a half minutes that nails it:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJRFClybmk

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:10am:

And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help.

Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:11am:

Watch this. Four and a half minutes that nails it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJRFClybmk

I've watched it a couple of time with my manspread. ;D

Do I need to mansplain that?

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:12am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await.

Nope. The job here isn't done.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:11am: Watch this. Four and a half minutes that nails it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJRFClybmk I've watched it a couple of time with my manspread. ;D Do I need to mansplain that?

Will i be scandalised?

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:16am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:12am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await. Nope. The job here isn't done.

What needs to be done that is gender specific? :-/

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:18am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:16am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:12am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await. Nope. The job here isn't done. What needs to be done that is gender specific? :-/

Watch the clip.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:20am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:18am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:16am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:12am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await. Nope. The job here isn't done. What needs to be done that is gender specific? :-/ Watch the clip.

OK. I watched it again. Still not impressed because it fails the bipartisan. Poor me "I feel offended" and I'm a woman.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:27am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:20am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:18am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:16am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:12am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await. Nope. The job here isn't done. What needs to be done that is gender specific? :-/ Watch the clip. OK. I watched it again. Still not impressed because it fails the bipartisan. Poor me "I feel offended" and I'm a woman.

Did none of it register with you? Not even the bit about mutilating baby boys?

Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits?

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:31am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:27am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:20am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:18am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:16am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:12am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await. Nope. The job here isn't done. What needs to be done that is gender specific? :-/ Watch the clip. OK. I watched it again. Still not impressed because it fails the bipartisan. Poor me "I feel offended" and I'm a woman. Did none of it register with you? Not even the bit about mutilating baby boys?

Sure, it all registered. That's not the issue. Everyone can feel that. If you are unsure talk to an male stripper, tough job getting the gear off for a bunch of highly emotive hormone driven women with finger nails.

Cutting kids is not a feminist issue, it a human rights issue.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:37am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:31am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:27am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:20am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:18am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:16am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:12am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:10am: And feminists do fight for the women in India. In Saudi Arabia. In Myanmar. In Pakistan. In Afghanistan. In the Sudan ... and alll of the other places in the world in which women are treated like objects to be abused. If not for feminism, you probably wouldn't be aware of the plights of these women. Women are working tirelessly to help. Good men are working tirelessly to help. Good! There job here is done. They need to move on. Green fields await. Nope. The job here isn't done. What needs to be done that is gender specific? :-/ Watch the clip. OK. I watched it again. Still not impressed because it fails the bipartisan. Poor me "I feel offended" and I'm a woman. Did none of it register with you? Not even the bit about mutilating baby boys? Sure, it all registered. That's not the issue. Everyone can feel that. If you are unsure talk to an male stripper, tough job getting the gear off for a bunch of highly emotive hormone driven women with finger nails. Cutting kids is not a feminist issue, it a human rights issue.

Yet feminists have adopted it as a cause of concern.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:40am:

Yet feminists have adopted it as a cause of concern.

Because they have run their course for feminism.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:42am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:40am: Yet feminists have adopted it as a cause of concern. Because they have run their course for feminism.

No. It has always been a feminist cause.

Feminism fights the patriarchy.

The patriarchy hurts males too.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:33am:

Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits?

You didn't answer the question.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:45am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:42am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:40am: Yet feminists have adopted it as a cause of concern. Because they have run their course for feminism. No. It has always been a feminist cause. Feminism fights the patriarchy. The patriarchy hurts males too.

What hurts males is feeling worthless just like any human being.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:48am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:45am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:42am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:40am: Yet feminists have adopted it as a cause of concern. Because they have run their course for feminism. No. It has always been a feminist cause. Feminism fights the patriarchy. The patriarchy hurts males too. What hurts males is feeling worthless just like any human being.

Yep,

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:50am:

Yep,

Conjuncture? Eee Gnads!

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:53am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:50am: Yep, Conjuncture? Eee Gnads!

You mean, of course, the patriarchy.

Couldn't agree more.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:47am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:33am: Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits? You didn't answer the question.

Now about answering this question .....

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:58am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:53am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:50am: Yep, Conjuncture? Eee Gnads! You mean, of course, the patriarchy. Couldn't agree more.

Not at all and you know it.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 2:59am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:47am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:33am: Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits? You didn't answer the question. Now about answering this question .....

Would me saying my wife doesn't give a hint?

Doesn't shave her quent either.

edit: When we were walking along one day and we saw a shop offering Brazilians, I offered to chew it off for half.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:02am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:58am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:53am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:50am: Yep, Conjuncture? Eee Gnads! You mean, of course, the patriarchy. Couldn't agree more. Not at all and you know it.

I was trying to give you an easy out.

Now how about answering my question?

I grow weary of repeating it.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:04am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:59am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:47am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:33am: Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits? You didn't answer the question. Now about answering this question ..... Would me saying my wife doesn't give a hint? Doesn't shave her quent either.

And how do you think the rest of society would view it?

Say i was to wear a spaghetti strap top with no bra to to the shops with my hairy armpits a-blazing.

How do you think that would go down?

What if i wore a short skirt and didn't shave my legs too?

Spaghetti strapped top, no bra, hairy armpits ... short skirt, hairy legs.

Would i get away with it?

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:07am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:04am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:59am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:47am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:33am: Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits? You didn't answer the question. Now about answering this question ..... Would me saying my wife doesn't give a hint? Doesn't shave her quent either. And how do you think the rest of society would view it? Say i was to wear a spaghetti strap top with no bra to to the shops with my hairy armpits a-blazing. How do you think that would go down?

Well.. She functions every day an no-one asks her if her armpits or quent is appropriately bald. In fact I would say most people are oblivious to it.

Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:11am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:07am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:04am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:59am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:47am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 2:33am: Setanta, how would you think of me if i told you i didn't shave my armpits? You didn't answer the question. Now about answering this question ..... Would me saying my wife doesn't give a hint? Doesn't shave her quent either. And how do you think the rest of society would view it? Say i was to wear a spaghetti strap top with no bra to to the shops with my hairy armpits a-blazing. How do you think that would go down? Well.. She functions every day an no-one asks her if her armpits or quent is appropriately bald. In fact I would say most people are oblivious to it.

Are her armpits on display?

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:11am:

Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub.

Like what?

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:14am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:11am: Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub. Like what?

With hairy armpits and legs, wearing a spaghetti strap top and a short skirt.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:12am:

Are her armpits on display?

Sometimes. Seasons dictate clothing.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:17am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:14am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:11am: Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub. Like what? With hairy armpits and legs, wearing a spaghetti strap top and a short skirt.

Now just add a muffin belly! ;D

Or down the beach.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:18am:

Or down the beach.

I don't think she has ever been looked at negatively for body hair. She's not Greek. Is that raciz? Greeks are Europeans as I am.

Had a little trouble with men went we drove to Darwin in the 80s but it wan't about hair and then I bet even the north has changed since then.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:18am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:17am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:14am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:11am: Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub. Like what? With hairy armpits and legs, wearing a spaghetti strap top and a short skirt. Now just add a muffin belly! ;D

No muffin belly. Just glorious hair.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dyl0j3WU6Y

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:26am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:18am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:17am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:14am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:11am: Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub. Like what? With hairy armpits and legs, wearing a spaghetti strap top and a short skirt. Now just add a muffin belly! ;D No muffin belly. Just glorious hair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dyl0j3WU6Y

You call it hair, I call it dental floss.

women should be free to make their own choices https://www.good.is/articles/bill-nye-pro-life

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:26am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:18am: Or down the beach. I don't think she has ever been looked at negatively for body hair. She's not Greek. Is that raciz? Greeks are Europeans as I am. Had a little trouble with men went we drove to Darwin in the 80s but it wan't about hair and then I bet even the north has changed since then.

She's incredibly lucky then.

But hey, don't you live in Lismore?

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:28am:

mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:26am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:18am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:17am: Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:14am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:11am: Forget the shops .. say i went like that to a nightclub. Like what? With hairy armpits and legs, wearing a spaghetti strap top and a short skirt. Now just add a muffin belly! ;D No muffin belly. Just glorious hair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dyl0j3WU6Y You call it hair, I call it dental floss.

Aye, i've said it before in this thread, your wife is a lucky woman.

AiA wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:29am:

women should be free to make their own choices https://www.good.is/articles/bill-nye-pro-life

Damn straight.

Thanks AiA ... i'll read that link on the morrow. I'm a little past it tonight.

But yes, women should be free to choose.

Until a couple of months ago my wife could sit on her hair.

No not that hair. Her head hair. She could cover herself in it. :'(

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:35am:

But yes, women should be free to choose.

Absolutely, never said otherwise.

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:35am:

AiA wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:29am: women should be free to make their own choices https://www.good.is/articles/bill-nye-pro-life Damn straight. Thanks AiA ... i'll read that link on the morrow. I'm a little past it tonight. But yes, women should be free to choose.

the link is an excellent science-based video

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:35am:

Until a couple of months ago my wife could sit on her hair. No not that hair. Her head hair. She could cover herself in it. :'(

She had it all chopped off and you're in mourning?

mothra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:30am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:26am: mothra wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:18am: Or down the beach. I don't think she has ever been looked at negatively for body hair. She's not Greek. Is that raciz? Greeks are Europeans as I am. Had a little trouble with men went we drove to Darwin in the 80s but it wan't about hair and then I bet even the north has changed since then. She's incredibly lucky then. But hey, don't you live in Lismore?

Well, yes. We are both from Perth although Marie was born in QLD when her parents were studying.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 3:35am:

Until a couple of months ago my wife could sit on her hair. No not that hair. Her head hair. She could cover herself in it. :'(

When I met my wife and for the first few years her hair was down past her bum. She's gone all practical now and it's mid-back.

This must be the most effed up thing I've seen in a while.

Dateline did a special on it not long ago.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/story/miscarriage-murder

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-salvador-where-women-are-jailed-for-40-years-for-the-crime-of-having-a-miscarriage-a7053501.html

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

This must be the most effed up thing I've seen in a while. Dateline did a special on it not long ago. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/story/miscarriage-murder http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-salvador-where-women-are-jailed-for-40-years-for-the-crime-of-having-a-miscarriage-a7053501.html

Now there's a country that needs a lot of feminists.

Setanta wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:13pm: This must be the most effed up thing I've seen in a while. Dateline did a special on it not long ago. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/story/miscarriage-murder http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-salvador-where-women-are-jailed-for-40-years-for-the-crime-of-having-a-miscarriage-a7053501.html Now there's a country that needs a lot of feminists.

Can we send a few of ours over, perhaps on a sabbatical leave? ;)

A good example to me is a healthy looking young woman wearing an off white seersucker blouse over a pair of walking shorts (not tight) and with a straw hat.

Feminism: Alive, Well And More Relevant Than Ever

After decades of decline and marginalization, feminism is experiencing a renaissance.
Ten years ago, only 24 percent of women surveyed by CBS News considered themselves feminists. Now jump forward to a 2015 poll conducted by The Washington Post and Kaiser Family Foundation, which found that a robust 68 percent of women say that there is still a need for a strong women’s movement today, and 60 percent of women (and 47 percent of the public) identified themselves as feminists. Support stretches across generations: Nearly as many Millennials (63 percent) identify as feminists as do Boomers (68 percent), and fully 83 percent of young women born after 1981 describe feminism as empowering — a word that only 56 percent of women ages 65 and older choose.

Yet even as young women — and, increasingly, men — are enthusiastically endorsing the label, today’s feminism looks very different from the cause that our mothers and grandmothers marched for. This New Wave of feminism “is shaped less by a shared struggle against oppression than by a collective embrace of individual freedoms, concerned less with targeting narrowly defined enemies than with broadening feminism’s reach,” explain the authors of an article based on The Washington Post’s findings.

Inspired not by national organizations and charismatic leaders, today’s feminists find common ground and shared energy on the Internet and through social media.

To get an inkling of how the Internet and social media have become a uniting force for feminists around the world, just witness the online reaction to the surprise release of Beyoncé’s video, “Formation” in February. “Stop Everything!” wrote Essence columnist Aliya S. King, and within a week, more than 7 million people tuned in to watch — and discuss — how a mainstream pop artist pushed the limits on our perceptions of race and women in today’s culture, with many women — both black and white — expressing their appreciation for her honesty and empowering message.

Beyoncé considers herself a feminist. So does businesswoman Carly Fiorina. Black actress and comedian Keisha Zollar, who likes the term “womanist” because it was coined by women of color, shares the tent with white activists like Mindy Finn, the founder and president of Empowered Women. Muslim Sabin Ahmed, a consultant with the World Bank who believes abortion should be legal in all cases, calls herself a feminist, as does Charlene McField, a Christian stay-at-home mom who believes abortion should be illegal in all cases.

Today’s feminists proudly fly the flag of inclusion and in embracing inclusiveness, feminism is going back to the future — back to the original fight for equal rights for all American citizens, of all colors — articulated by Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton in 1866. With 43 percent of all Millennials in the US identifying as non-white, the next wave of the women’s movement is fundamentally more inclined to see the fight for equal rights as encompassing more than gender discrimination.

Young women are much more likely to identify as not simply women, but as individuals defined by the intersections between gender and generation, race, religion, sexual orientation, and socioeconomic status. While 85 percent of women think there’s a lot of or some discrimination against women, just as many think there’s a lot of or some discrimination against African Americans (84 percent) and gays and lesbians (85 percent). As 82-year-old feminist icon Gloria Steinem noted in an interview with 17-year-old Amandla Stenberg, one of the new generation of feminists, “In the beginning, we thought of feminism as addressing inequality between women and men, but the more we understood it, the more we grasped how broad feminism is.”

Yet for all the ways in which the path forward differs, depending on a woman’s race, education, and socio-economic background, some challenges remain the same; and for all the ways in which the past differentiates their experience, some aspects of being female cross all divides. United in their belief that feminism is about having choices, young women are eager to forge their own paths toward happiness, whether that means pursuing a career, raising children, being active in their communities, starting a business, making the world a better place, or some combination of all these aspirations.

From Betty Friedan, the author of The Feminine Mystique; the manifesto of the post-World War II movement that galvanized modern feminism; to Beyoncé, today’s generation is embracing feminism on its own terms and, in doing so, adding new energy to feminism’s renaissance. “Do we NOT need feminism anymore?” challenges Jenny Jaffe, the 26-year-old comedian and founder of Project UROK. “Yeah, we need feminism! We need feminism until ALL women are equal!”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sylvia-ann-hewlett/feminism-alive-well-and-m_b_11975112.html

What about Harriett Martineau and what about my lady in a seersucker shirt?
I'm just crazy 'bout seersucker babe.

mothra wrote on Dec 14^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

Feminism: Alive, Well And More Relevant Than Ever After decades of decline and marginalization, feminism is experiencing a renaissance. Ten years ago, only 24 percent of women surveyed by CBS News considered themselves feminists. Now jump forward to a 2015 poll conducted by The Washington Post and Kaiser Family Foundation, which found that a robust 68 percent of women say that there is still a need for a strong women’s movement today, and 60 percent of women (and 47 percent of the public) identified themselves as feminists. Support stretches across generations: Nearly as many Millennials (63 percent) identify as feminists as do Boomers (68 percent), and fully 83 percent of young women born after 1981 describe feminism as empowering — a word that only 56 percent of women ages 65 and older choose. Yet even as young women — and, increasingly, men — are enthusiastically endorsing the label, today’s feminism looks very different from the cause that our mothers and grandmothers marched for. This New Wave of feminism “is shaped less by a shared struggle against oppression than by a collective embrace of individual freedoms, concerned less with targeting narrowly defined enemies than with broadening feminism’s reach,” explain the authors of an article based on The Washington Post’s findings. Inspired not by national organizations and charismatic leaders, today’s feminists find common ground and shared energy on the Internet and through social media. To get an inkling of how the Internet and social media have become a uniting force for feminists around the world, just witness the online reaction to the surprise release of Beyoncé’s video, “Formation” in February. “Stop Everything!” wrote Essence columnist Aliya S. King, and within a week, more than 7 million people tuned in to watch — and discuss — how a mainstream pop artist pushed the limits on our perceptions of race and women in today’s culture, with many women — both black and white — expressing their appreciation for her honesty and empowering message. Beyoncé considers herself a feminist. So does businesswoman Carly Fiorina. Black actress and comedian Keisha Zollar, who likes the term “womanist” because it was coined by women of color, shares the tent with white activists like Mindy Finn, the founder and president of Empowered Women. Muslim Sabin Ahmed, a consultant with the World Bank who believes abortion should be legal in all cases, calls herself a feminist, as does Charlene McField, a Christian stay-at-home mom who believes abortion should be illegal in all cases. Today’s feminists proudly fly the flag of inclusion and in embracing inclusiveness, feminism is going back to the future — back to the original fight for equal rights for all American citizens, of all colors — articulated by Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton in 1866. With 43 percent of all Millennials in the US identifying as non-white, the next wave of the women’s movement is fundamentally more inclined to see the fight for equal rights as encompassing more than gender discrimination. Young women are much more likely to identify as not simply women, but as individuals defined by the intersections between gender and generation, race, religion, sexual orientation, and socioeconomic status. While 85 percent of women think there’s a lot of or some discrimination against women, just as many think there’s a lot of or some discrimination against African Americans (84 percent) and gays and lesbians (85 percent). As 82-year-old feminist icon Gloria Steinem noted in an interview with 17-year-old Amandla Stenberg, one of the new generation of feminists, “In the beginning, we thought of feminism as addressing inequality between women and men, but the more we understood it, the more we grasped how broad feminism is.” Yet for all the ways in which the path forward differs, depending on a woman’s race, education, and socio-economic background, some challenges remain the same; and for all the ways in which the past differentiates their experience, some aspects of being female cross all divides. United in their belief that feminism is about having choices, young women are eager to forge their own paths toward happiness, whether that means pursuing a career, raising children, being active in their communities, starting a business, making the world a better place, or some combination of all these aspirations. From Betty Friedan, the author of The Feminine Mystique; the manifesto of the post-World War II movement that galvanized modern feminism; to Beyoncé, today’s generation is embracing feminism on its own terms and, in doing so, adding new energy to feminism’s renaissance. “Do we NOT need feminism anymore?” challenges Jenny Jaffe, the 26-year-old comedian and founder of Project UROK. “Yeah, we need feminism! We need feminism until ALL women are equal!” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sylvia-ann-hewlett/feminism-alive-well-and-m_b_11975112.html

So to remain relevant it's had to broaden its scope. Sleight of hand.

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 3:35am: Until a couple of months ago my wife could sit on her hair. No not that hair. Her head hair. She could cover herself in it. :'( When I met my wife and for the first few years her hair was down past her bum. She's gone all practical now and it's mid-back.

Your wife has hair all down her back and bum?

Ewww.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-XzZCSWAAIjBqd.jpg

Feminism once meant campaigning for meaningful equality, progress & safety for women.
Now it means, for some, aligning themselves with every wacky, degenerate & extreme leftist fad that comes along.
I cite the example here of mothra who insists that female genital mutilation be referred to as "cutting" so as to be culturally sensitive towards the Muslims and other primitives who would otherwise feel alienated.

Bogey, once again demonstrating that he has absolutely no idea at all.

Very weak and again avoiding the issue

Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes?
Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

I'd really like this topic to be answered by women with an actual opinion as opposed the usual suspects bullying women out of the discussion. Feminism is a wide cloth. I agree with some feminist academics and disagree with others. I agree with some of what those i disagree with say while i disagree with what some of what those i agree with say. Feminism to me is a personal journey. I am a firm believer in each and every woman embracing what is relevant to her and holding in question what they query, or outright disagree with.This to me is true feminism. I have been told on this forum that feminism is a 'homogenous blob' of thought. This is faaaaaar from true. Feminists disagree with each other regularly. There are many schools of thought within feminism. Even if you don't identify as a feminist, i want to hear what feminism means to you.

If you are a woman, you recognise yourself in this sketch. If you are a feminist, you don't.  Absolutely failsafe.

(all the married blokes are nodding and looking at their shoes, whistling softly...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3VV5J_Bbng

I always saw feminism as this huge trap.

All these women get up and say "We don't want to stay home and look after kids and socialise with the other wives and mothers in the town and the street! We want to be liberated and work all day every day and be told what to do and have no free time!"

So women's rights seemed like it benefited the government and the economy. It didn't seem to benefit women and their quality of life.

I think the original feminists were agent provocateurs and look where they ended up..... As left wing political activists. They seem like surveillance agents and agents of change from the government, instigating social change to suit the state and monitoring those who cry about inequality and join the movements without being placed there by the government. 

Feminism.
The Media's version of what every society has experienced before, right around the world. Women taking on the celibate, ruler, empowerment, serve the people, money, etc... rather than be a mother popping out kids.
It's been around for millenia.

But just because the Media hasn't experienced it, somehow women 'again' need to be liberated.  ::)

If you want to rule others, no point having your women pop out the kids then.
If you want to outbreed others, no point having your women attain a position of power and play the Game.

https://spectatorau.imgix.net/content/uploads/2019/10/Sexual_consent_course.jpg
‘I won’t take no for an answer.’

;D ;D ;D

Feminism in the modern age is conducted by childless and single men haters . Their loneliness and anger at not finding love propels them to seek revenge. Women are already above men in the west now. They don't need equality. Many males in the west are in bad shape and nobody cares.

Spatchcock wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 1:32pm:

I always saw feminism as this huge trap. All these women get up and say "We don't want to stay home and look after kids and socialise with the other wives and mothers in the town and the street! We want to be liberated and work all day every day and be told what to do and have no free time!" So women's rights seemed like it benefited the government and the economy. It didn't seem to benefit women and their quality of life. I think the original feminists were agent provocateurs and look where they ended up..... As left wing political activists. They seem like surveillance agents and agents of change from the government, instigating social change to suit the state and monitoring those who cry about inequality and join the movements without being placed there by the government.

[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

and most of them share/shared a religion

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 20^th, 2019 at 5:55pm:

Feminism in the modern age is conducted by childless and single men haters . Their loneliness and anger at not finding love propels them to seek revenge. Women are already above men in the west now. They don't need equality. Many males in the west are in bad shape and nobody cares.

no hammer they are not   no equal pay no equal super fund payout...not many female CEOs..most females in parliament are token ones.... >:( >:(


come on mate you dont really believe that.....

more single parent.... females than males..

its pretty much a disaster...again it is another STAND   that gets taken over by the ruthless.....in other words lost its way..

it put a lot of male backs up....which i understandable when you look back.. women suddenly thought they were in charge instead of being equal....

some still think they are superior....

women had a right to be heard hammer just like the Suffragettes  who just wanted the VOTE......

we do put in a huge amount most unseen or talked about........imagine the world without us?......

I dont think you would like it.. :)

Netballers: Women who play a game of sport that was invented by Women.

Feminists: Women who play a game of sport that was invented by Men.

A FemmeNist ManiPedifesto
Kari Lerum
First Published December 16, 2014 Research Article
https://doi.org/10.1177/1532708614562886
Article information

Abstract
This is an autoethnography about the role of nail salons in relation to my own evolving feminist and femme consciousness. Through a story of desire, grief, isolation, and recuperation, I explore the ways that the development of my sexual and gender identities relies on women’s intimacy within and across lines of commodification, race, class, and sexuality. In so doing, I attempt to reconcile my desire for high femme signifiers with working-class, anti-racist, and anti-colonialist solidarity, to articulate what I term a FemmeNist consciousness.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1532708614562886

She chatted to third world immigrant women who were doing her nails.   The idea of the university descends to mere 'autoethnography of'... er... nails.

Louise Perry’s The Case Against the Sexual Revolution: A New Guide to Sex in the 21st Century is a counterblast to the braindead feminism I encountered at university. Pseudoscientific feminism never took me in, but Perry, a townie, was persuaded. Her book, as much as anything, is about the process of disenchantment, of discovering everything she once believed was nonsense.

Nonetheless, Perry remains a feminist. The Case Against the Sexual Revolution represents a sincere attempt to anchor feminism in reality. For my part—while I welcome a numerate and scientifically accurate work of feminist scholarship—I’ll stay clear for now. Feminism is the mother of awful public policy going back to Prohibition and needs to learn humility if it expects to have policy influence.

After graduating in anthropology and women’s studies (from SOAS, one of the UK’s wokest universities), Perry worked for some years in a rape crisis centre. Already uneasy with bits of left theory, the experience of practical compassion and a desire to stop rape rather than blethering on about stopping rape led her to do what no feminist theorist has done before: take biology seriously.

At its core, this means she treats man as an animal like other animals, subject to the same pressures over millions of years as every other species and sharing many traits with his fellow Hominidae, the Great Apes. This means that men and women are not only physically different but psychologically different: evolution operated from the neck up as well as the neck down.

Perry accepts that Homo sapiens are much more cognitively dimorphic than many people realise. 70 per cent of men have a pattern of personality traits that no woman has; 70 per cent of women have a pattern of personality traits that no man has. She explains with clarity and élan how, for obvious evolutionary reasons (the elevated risks of pregnancy and childcare and the need to invest in emotionally intense relationships to sustain child-rearing) women are systematically more neurotic, more agreeable and more concerned with propriety (moralised status) than men are.

Perry wants to persuade leftie readers (along with fellow feminists), so she piles up a mountain of scientific evidence to buttress her case. She is also a clear, orderly writer. This has the effect of demolishing not only Brownmiller’s reputation but that of Cordelia Fine, a philosopher now notorious for trying to edit science to fit in with feminism.
https://lawliberty.org/book-review/feminising-feminism/

I will not rest until 100% of murdered journalists are male!


Quote Tweet
UN Women  Nov 2
Of all journalists killed in 2021, 11% were women. In 2020, this was 6%. (Source: @UNESCO). On the International Day to #EndImpunity for Crimes against Journalists, let us say out loud:

𝐒𝐓𝐎𝐏
𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍𝐆
𝐖𝐎𝐌𝐄𝐍
𝐉𝐎𝐔𝐑𝐍𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐒

https://mobile.twitter.com/Dannyjokes/status/1588276887398121472

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2022 at 12:01pm:

I will not rest until 100% of murdered journalists are male! Quote Tweet UN Women  Nov 2 Of all journalists killed in 2021, 11% were women. In 2020, this was 6%. (Source: @UNESCO). On the International Day to #EndImpunity for Crimes against Journalists, let us say out loud: 𝐒𝐓𝐎𝐏 𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐖𝐎𝐌𝐄𝐍 𝐉𝐎𝐔𝐑𝐍𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐒 https://mobile.twitter.com/Dannyjokes/status/1588276887398121472

Same energy


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fgp7wYGWYAEmEav?.jpg

Oh, the patriarchy!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo7m_LRacAEcwNZ?.jpg

bogarde73 wrote on May 6^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls?

Bogard you were one of my fave posters.

Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯

FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way?

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 9:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way?

No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!   

As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble!

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!    As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble!

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_female_genital_mutiliation_religion.jpg

Is Mothra talking about her vag'imite again?

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!    As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble! https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_female_genital_mutiliation_religion.jpg

So it is mostly the daughters of Mohammed everywhere.
Withiut exception.

Everybody ululate!

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 9:59pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:32pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!    As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble! https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_female_genital_mutiliation_religion.jpg So it is mostly the daughters of Mohammed everywhere. Withiut exception. Everybody ululate!

Don't read charts too well, do you.

*kicks Mothra in the balls

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 10:02pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:59pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:32pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!    As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble! https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_female_genital_mutiliation_religion.jpg So it is mostly the daughters of Mohammed everywhere. Withiut exception. Everybody ululate! Don't read charts too well, do you.

;D ;D

You ARE an idiot.
Purple = daughters of mohammed. Majority in every country you posted, idiotic frightbat.

Frank wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 10:02pm: Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:59pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:32pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!    As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble! https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_female_genital_mutiliation_religion.jpg So it is mostly the daughters of Mohammed everywhere. Withiut exception. Everybody ululate! Don't read charts too well, do you. ;D ;D You ARE an idiot. Purple = daughters of mohammed. Majority in every country you posted, idiotic frightbat.

Yes Frank.

Now add the lower 2 lines together, there's a good old boy.

*two little chicks pop out of Mothra's mouth as if recently hatched.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:29pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? No it’s not Methra you revolting liar and nutter!    As per usual you’re full of drugged driven dribble! https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/blog_female_genital_mutiliation_religion.jpg

Methra : Once your bad drug trip wears off log back in then take another look at your own graph you psychopathic nutter! Why? It only confirms my point and totally sh1ts on your earlier piss poor attempt to push your lie!

Christ on a bike you people are irredeemably stupid.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 9:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way?

Oh and provide a freaking working LINK you ethically bankrupt liar!

A note to all: Methra was well known on Yahoo for posting up fake charts with no links.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/female-genital-mutilation-not-uniquely-muslim-problem/

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? Oh and provide a freaking working LINK you ethically bankrupt liar! A note to all: Methra was well known on Yahoo for posting up fake charts with no links.

If you’re looking for facts (and not farts) on FGM then please click on this link 👇

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation


Oh and unlike drug fuelled Methra ...I am a full blooded Mediterranean woman with a close link to Mediterranean culture.

We don’t practice FGM. It’s a Muslim thing. In fact the practice is how we recognise who’s different from us Christians.

Note : The fact that some Christians do this is also misleading. Let me explain something which that lying Methra mole is hoping you all don’t know : the so called Christians are in fact this : former Muslims and/or from other native religions and who have recently converted to Christianity but it’s a real weird form of Christianity as it’s a bizzare form of Catholicism plus Islam plus their traditional African native religion all mixed into 1 theory of Spirituality.

We who are in fact Christian do not recognise and we do not accept that these people are Christian.At all!  Even the Holy Bible and in particular the New Testament is not being followed or respected by these alleged pseudo “Christians”.  Their rituals are bizarre and take precedence.

So please do not be deceived by the morally and ethically bankrupt Yahoo cyber junkie multi nutter Methra. She has no self respect so don’t expect her to respect you.

Cheers

PS I just saw that the Methra troll has only now provided a lame link she’s trawled the entire internet for. Her vague chart is from an obscure BLOG ffs! The guy responsible for said blog is a woke left winger who’s been dying of cancer for some time. And he himself conveniently did not provide the sources for his figures. It’s his blog after all...so he just jots down whatever.

Bottom line? Stick to links which are safe and sane.

Goodnight all you decent people. You too Methra.

Despite the absence of scriptural support, women and girls within Christian communities, including in Egypt, Kenya, Nigeria and Tanzania, do undergo FGM.[16] It has been found among Coptic Christians in Egypt, Orthodox Christians in Ethiopia, and Protestants and Catholics in Sudan and Kenya.[19] A 2013 UNICEF report identified 17 African countries in which at least 10 percent of Christian women and girls aged 15–49 had undergone it. In Niger, for example, 55 percent of Christian women and girls had experienced it, against two percent of Muslim women and girls.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 10:43pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 10:25pm: mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 9:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2023 at 2:00pm: bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 7:42am: Very weak and again avoiding the issue Why is it so difficult for you to stand against the appalling barbarity of the Muslim culture which still insists in carrying the practice of FMG wherever it goes? Have you no conscience in respect of these little girls? Bogard you were one of my fave posters. Your posts were always effective in hitting the target 🎯 FGC ia performed more by Christians than Muslims, but who are you to let facts get in the way? Oh and provide a freaking working LINK you ethically bankrupt liar! A note to all: Methra was well known on Yahoo for posting up fake charts with no links. If you’re looking for facts (and not farts) on FGM then please click on this link 👇 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation Oh and unlike drug fuelled Methra ...I am a full blooded Mediterranean woman with a close link to Mediterranean culture. We don’t practice FGM. It’s a Muslim thing. In fact the practice is how we recognise who’s different from us Christians. Note : The fact that some Christians do this is also misleading. Let me explain something which that lying Methra mole is hoping you all don’t know : the so called Christians are in fact this : former Muslims and/or from other native religions and who have recently converted to Christianity but it’s a real weird form of Christianity as it’s a bizzare form of Catholicism plus Islam plus their traditional African native religion all mixed into the one cocktail theory of Spirituality. We who are in fact Christian do not recognise and we do not accept that these people are Christian.At all!  Even the Holy Bible and in particular the New Testament is not being followed or respected by these alleged pseudo “Christians”.  Their rituals are bizarre and take precedence. So please do not be deceived by the morally and ethically bankrupt Yahoo cyber junkie multi nutter Methra. She has no self respect so don’t expect her to respect you. Cheers PS I just saw that the Methra troll has only now provided a lame link she’s trawled the entire internet for. Her vague chart is from an obscure BLOG ffs! The guy responsible for said blog is a woke left winger who’s been dying of cancer for some time. And he himself conveniently did not provide the sources for his figures. It’s his blog after all...so he just jots down whatever. Bottom line? Stick to links which are safe and sane. Goodnight all you decent people. You too Methra.

89% of women in Eritrea, a Christian-majority country, undergo Female Genital Mutilation, and 60% of those women view it as a religious requirement. In addition, 74% of women in Ethiopia, 66% of women in Liberia, and 27% of women in Kenya, have undergone Female Genital Mutilation – all Christian-majority countries. Here’s a most interesting statistic: In Niger, 55% of Christian women undergo Female Genital Mutilation, as compared to only 2% of Muslim women.

https://sites.psu.edu/anaouf3/2017/04/05/female-genital-mutilation/

FGC isn't actually proscribed in any religion at all and major religious bodies condemn it categorically.

It is cultural ... and as religion has permeated these cultures the practice has been co-opted by those religions within those cultures.

God i get tired of repeating myself for the terminally stupid on here.

And Mother Jones is blog now?

Methra - Blogs are your go to sources. And in this topic tonight that’s all you have provided. 2 links to 2 blogs. Blogs! That’s how the actual authors describe their own work.

That probably explains why when one researches further using more credible links they discover that the information in the BLOGS you think are factual ....are in fact incorrect. Esp as regards religion as a form of identity. And the other thing which I find really annoying (because I know you never went to Uni and you think that Google will somehow make up for that) is this : You don’t know that when a person from a certain African country claims to be a Christian they may be in fact stating this : I believe in a certain form of spirituality which I’ve inherited from my ancestors over thousands of years and involves black magic etc but I’ve also added the Christian God into it now. In short : they’re not Christians. And just because they claim to be Christian it doesn’t mean they are. I’m glad I studied Anthropology at Uni because I had the opportunity to learn all this through actual case studies which were undertaken by highly regarded Anthropologists who went to Africa and studied these peculiarities. First hand.

So don’t bother googling obscure blogs and providing their links to me as though they mean something remotely relevant and accurate. When you do that it only shows me how piss poor your knowledge base is and reminds me yet again just how uneducated and ignorant you really are.

One last comment: You’re no feminist. You’re nothing more than a wannabe googled form of it.

Night.

Admittedly there was one blog but that gives it's source ... UNICEF.

There were no other blogs.

Mother Jones is not a blog, you utter fool. Neither is Wikipedia.

Larry, lying again.

I wonder how many curtain calls we'll be in for tonight?

We're up to 3 but that is far from unusual.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 11:49pm:

Admittedly there was one blog but that gives it's source ... UNICEF. There were no other blogs. Mother Jones is not a blog, you utter fool. Neither is Wikipedia. Larry, lying again.

FMD you’re an adamant nutter!

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/female-genital-mutilation-not-uniquely-muslim-problem/

Is not this the freaking link you eventually gave after it was asked of you a few times? Oh yes it was! Click on it you lying POS! It shows an article by a self confessed blogger you nutcase! It is THAT article which you relied upon to post up a vague chart which was factually incorrect! A chart from a blogger who didn’t provide any further information. It was from a dying cancer patient - a blogger blogging away who also provided a dead link to UNICEF. Go on click on it!

And as regards curtain calls ... GGF!

I don’t particularly enjoy chatting to a dumbarse like you. I much prefer being on other group platforms where at least I know I’m surrounded by decent people who lead decent lives and have had a decent education. (essentially - people who are nothing like you and your ilk).

Now Methra unlike you I need to log off because I need to get up early and get my husband off to work for an early start. You have no husband or children there so you can stay online ALL night and run another manic marathon if you like. I’ve got a life. You don’t.

Don’t worry though ... tomorrow I fully intend to pwn your uneducated dumb arse all over again in this topic because I know that all you know is all you’ve Googled. And even then .... 2 bloody blogs 👈   ::)

Four. And counting.

And Mother Jones is not a blog.

What Is Mother Jones?

Mother Jones is a reader-supported investigative news organization honored as Magazine of the Year by our peers in the industry. Our nonprofit newsroom goes deep on the biggest stories of the moment, from politics and criminal and racial justice to education, climate change, and food/agriculture.

We reach more than 10 million people each month via our website, social media, videos, email newsletters, and print magazine. Our fellowship program is one of the premier training grounds for emerging investigative storytellers.

Founded in 1976, Mother Jones is America’s longest-established investigative news organization. We are based in San Francisco and have bureaus in Washington, DC, and New York.

We are independent (no corporate owners) and are accountable only to you, our readers. Our mission is to deliver hard-hitting reporting that inspires change and combats “alternative facts.”

https://www.motherjones.com/about/

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 17^th, 2023 at 12:12am:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2023 at 11:49pm: Admittedly there was one blog but that gives it's source ... UNICEF. There were no other blogs. Mother Jones is not a blog, you utter fool. Neither is Wikipedia. Larry, lying again. FMD you’re an adamant nutter! https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/female-genital-mutilation-not-uniquely-muslim-problem/ Is not this the freaking link you eventually gave after it was asked of you a few times? Oh yes it was! Click on it you lying POS! It shows an article by a self confessed blogger you nutcase! It is THAT article which you relied upon to post up a vague chart which was factually incorrect! A chart from a blogger who didn’t provide any further information. It was from a dying cancer patient - a blogger blogging away who also provided a dead link to UNICEF. Go on click on it! And as regards curtain calls ... GGF! I don’t particularly enjoy chatting to a dumbarse like you. I much prefer being on other group platforms where at least I know I’m surrounded by decent people who lead decent lives and have had a decent education. (essentially - people who are nothing like you and your ilk). Now Methra unlike you I need to log off because I need to get up early and get my husband off to work for an early start. You have no husband or children there so you can stay online ALL night and run another manic marathon if you like. I’ve got a life. You don’t. Don’t worry though ... tomorrow I fully intend to pwn your uneducated dumb arse all over again in this topic because I know that all you know is all you’ve Googled. And even then .... 2 bloody blogs 👈   ::)

Ahhh Methra was up til 1.30 am.

Hopefully the drugs will have worn off and she’ll be able to read what’s written. ESP the stuff that’s highlighted sigh....

She's a vile nutter indeed.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2023 at 11:07pm:

FGC isn't actually proscribed in any religion at all and major religious bodies condemn it categorically. It is cultural ... and as religion has permeated these cultures the practice has been co-opted by those religions within those cultures. God i get tired of repeating myself for the terminally stupid on here. And Mother Jones is blog now?

Here’s a riddle for our politically twisted times: when is a black woman a white supremacist? Answer: when she speaks out against female genital mutilation, sharia law, and jihadism.

This is the tortured logic of the feminist Left in Australia, which helped stop a lecture tour by the human rights advocate Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Anonymous protestors warned venues and insurers not to have dealings with the Somali-born, anti-radical-Islam activist if they wanted to avoid “trouble.” The “Council for the Prevention of Islamophobia, Inc.” accused Hirsi Ali of being part of the “Islamophobia industry . . . that exists to dehumanize Muslim women.” Another group, “Persons of Interest,” took to Facebook to describe her ideas: “This is the language of patriarchy and misogyny. This is the language of white supremacy. This is the language used to justify war and genocide.”

Hirsi Ali canceled her trip in early April, only days before she was due to speak in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, and Auckland, New Zealand. In Australia, as in the UK, the costs of security have to be borne by event organizers, not the government, as is the case in the U.S. Perhaps there were disagreements between the speaker and her sponsors about security. In any case, Hirsi Ali travels with armed guards, but it was still too dangerous for her to speak in public. Yes, in Australia.
...
In a country where the woman who speaks out against forced marriage and jihadism is an extremist and the people who threaten her are praised as virtuous representatives of diversity, who exactly requires protection?
https://www.city-journal.org/html/upside-down-down-under-15115.html

It's not the Christians who threatened her, bint, or threaten anyone who is critical of them.  As always, it was the Muslims who can't bear any criticism and will either threaten or carry out actual bloody jihad to shut it down. 

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