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Title: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by issuevoter on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

Here is another example of the Muslim war of attrition against the West. This time in London (again). I am sure the defenders of Islam will be happy.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/man-hacked-death-south-london-suspected-terrorist-incident/story?id=19235477

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

LONDON, May 22, 2013

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

Quote:

Two attackers savagely killed a man believed to be a British soldier just outside an army barracks in an apparent terrorist attack in southeast London today, telling eyewitnesses the killing was "as an eye for an eye ... because Muslims are dying by British soldiers every day."

British Prime Minister David Cameron said there were "strong indications this is a terrorist incident," and senior British officials increased security at all army barracks in London after an emergency meeting in Britain's equivalent to the White House Situation Room.

The two attackers ran over the man in a car then dragged him into the middle of the street in the South London neighborhood of Woolwich. There, in an attack clearly designed to shock this city and country, they hacked him to death with large knives, according to eyewitnesses.

Instead of running from the scene, they began talking to people gathered nearby, wanting to be seen and interviewed. One of the apparent killers asked a passerby to start filming with a camera phone. He spoke calmly, holding a bloody meat cleaver and a smaller knife, his hands stained deep red.

"We swear by almighty Allah, we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. Your people will never be safe," the man said calmly, according to ITV News, which first obtained the video. "Tell them to bring our troops back so we -- so you -- can all live in peace."

The killers had asked eyewitness to call the police, apparently to stage some sort of final confrontation. A few minutes after the interview, armed police arrived. The two men started walking toward the police, according to eyewitnesses, and police opened fire, wounding both of them.

The attackers "went for the police with the machetes, knife and handgun," one eyewitness told the BBC. "I don't think they cared."

The attack echoed a case from 2008, when a British man pleaded guilty to plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier. Despite police saying the incident was isolated, British authorities clearly became concerned about other terror attacks. Cameron cut short a visit to France and called the attack "absolutely sickening" and a "most appalling crime."

"People across Britain, people in every community, I believe, will condemn this attack," he said at a news conference in Paris. "We have had these sorts of attacks before in our country and we never buckle in the face of them."

"These two guys were crazed. They were not there. They were just animals," a man who identified himself as James told local radio station LBC. "They then dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road… I think they were proud of what they were doing."

"Total chaos. I don't believe someone has been targeted this way in an area I live in," Lauren Collins told the BBC.

After the attack, a mother of two named Ingrid Loyau-Kennett approached one of the attackers and engaged him in conversation.

"He was not high, he was not on drugs, he was not an alcoholic or drunk. He was just distressed, upset," Loyau-Kennett told ITV News. "He was in full control of his decisions and ready to everything he wanted to do."

Loyau-Kennett can be seen in a photograph calmly talking to the man. He was holding a bloody knife, and she appeared unafraid.

Title: Re: Killers chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Here is another example of the Muslim war of attrition against the West. This time in London (again). I am sure the defenders of Islam will be happy.

Why are you making excuses for killers (from two years ago)?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

LONDON, May 22, 2013

oops

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Maybe the news is old - but the intent remains.

Stay tuned for more 'events' - courtesy of Islam (either 'moderate' or 'extremist').

;D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:56pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Don't see why not. Here we are, 10 years after 7/7, Lionel and the UK is still standing. I reckon it's time people took life a little easier, a little calmer and stop running around like chooks with their heads cut off everytime a Muslim sneezes. ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Maybe the news is old - but the intent remains.

Stay tuned for more 'events' - courtesy of Islam (either 'moderate' or 'extremist').

Thousands of people are killed on our roads every year.

Do you worry about that?

Do you constantly think about having an accident on the way home from work and being killed?

Grow a set of balls, for Buddha's sake, and stop bending over to be reamed by this relentless fear campaign from Abort and his fellow criminals.

A terrorist attack may very well happen in this country (Abort's actions will almost guarantee it), however, you have much, MUCH more chance of being killed in a car accident or being hit by lightening.

Why do people fall for these fear campaigns? I've never understood how intelligent people can be so easily manipulated.

Well, there's my answer I suppose - they're not intelligent people.

It's sad.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Well, I suppose we should all be glad that we have oceans surrounding us, rather than just seas.

Our little debates about the number of arrivals at our shores rather pales into insignificance when viewed in the 'bigger picture', doesn't it?

" ... Around 15,000 migrants arrived on the island in June. Lesbos has a total population of just 86,000, and the BBC says the massive influx has exhausted most available resources and left officials scrambling. ..." http://time.com/3947493/migrants-greece-lesbos-refugees-asylum/

It's really not hard to Google the illegals blocking ports like Calais either, as they try to board trucks to illegally enter the UK. Or ignore the problems the USA has with its southern neighbour Mexico.

Start counting the possibilities and ignore the casualties, Brian, there's a good nay-sayer. 8-)

We are fortunate enough to have a very efficient fence around this nation.

I see no reason to relax its maintenance, lest we share the fate of those others who've relaxed their same duties.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Do you have voices in your head?

I'm dead serious - do you?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Maybe the news is old - but the intent remains.

Stay tuned for more 'events' - courtesy of Islam (either 'moderate' or 'extremist').

Another Man Monis is just what we need, don't you think?

After all, the risk is low when compared to being struck by lightning.

Is installing a lightning rod similar to banning potential terrorists?

One wonders, then, whether there is a benefit in either.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm

I hope we do not 'move on' from the savagery of this case. The Muslims hatred for their Wester host countries has not abated and nobody would be surprised if such barbarism was repeated in a Western country today.

The West and Islam remain unreconciled - so please do not breezily waive it away.

Yes, its not news, it's 2 years old. But the event remains significant and the motivations and threats of the perpetrators are as acute and relevant today as in 2013. With ISIL, even more so.

It remains an iconic event for the relationship of Muslims to their Western host countries.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Secret Wars on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

Not as old as the Crusades which you keep on citing. ::) ::)

What was that about old news?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Has the threat, oft expressed by this ideology, since abated?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:28pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Has the threat, oft expressed by this ideology, since abated?

Apparently, NOT.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:32pm

No it hasn't Lionel - so do you think thats a good justificaiton for getting ourselves worked up into such a frenzy that we don't even know which terrorist attacks happened yesterday and which ones happened 2 years ago?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:

That's not the point.

Ever since this ideology was formulated, the threat has remained. Over the ages, the same threat remains.

It's all very well to point to atrocities committed by other ideologies in the past, but mostly those conflicts have resolved themselves as their societies have evolved.

There is one, however, whose ideology remains unchanged and at war with all others, even among itself.

Islam's stated aim is global dominance, is it not? All espouse the obliteration of Israel, do they not?

The militant arm of Islam is destroying even its own teachings of peace. It's also responsible for the multiple murders of its own faithful.

If humanity is ever to earn the label, genocide and terrorism must be quashed.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:49pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

So we should all relax?

Well, I suppose we should all be glad that we have oceans surrounding us, rather than just seas.

If people are that Xenophobic, Lionel. ::)

Not sure what your claims about Asylum Seekers have to do with your worries about Islamist Terrorists, Lionel... ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:52pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Old news. Old, old news. The UK appears to still be standing, opposing the Islamist extremists, years after the event. ::)

Not as old as the Crusades which you keep on citing. ::) ::)

What was that about old news?

I've never attempted to portray The Crusades as anything other than a series of historical events. Issuevoter is trying to portray a 2 year old event as current. Clear difference. ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:53pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:32pm:

Keep working on those stereotypes, Lionel. Soon you'll be as bad as Soren or Yadda... ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by issuevoter on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 11:58pm

OK Defend this one.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/beheaded-girls-were-ramadan-trophies/story-e6frg6so-1111112492769

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:54am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 11:58pm:

OK Defend this one.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/beheaded-girls-were-ramadan-trophies/story-e6frg6so-1111112492769

issuevoter,

'Polytheists' must die!

Allah requires it.

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK!!! - image of headless body, and head, in morgue

http://mychristianblood.blogspirit.com/images/medium_JAK09D_RTRIDSP_3_INDONESIA_Reuters_Alertnet.jpg

Quote:

THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK!!! - main article, also images, showing headless body, and head, in morgue

http://mychristianblood.blogspirit.com/archive/2006/11/09/beheaded-girls-were-ramadan-trophies.html

.

And today, it is 2015.

What has changed since 2006 gandalf ?????????

IMAGE.....

These Egyptian Christians are being 'lawfully' executed by moslems in Libya.

By moslems who are following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine to lawfully kill 'criminals'.

And the 'crime' of these ~~Christians~~ 'Polytheists' ?

Was rejecting ISLAM. !!!

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by wally1 on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 5:55am

Yadda wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:54am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 11:58pm:

OK Defend this one.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/beheaded-girls-were-ramadan-trophies/story-e6frg6so-1111112492769

THREE Christian high school girls were beheaded as a Ramadan "trophy" by Indonesian militants who conceived the idea after a visit to Philippines jihadists, a court heard yesterday.

Doesnt christianity tell you not to lie?

Terror Experts: ISIS video depicting Egyptian execution footage ‘faked’

Terror experts have ruled that ISIS video footage appearing to show the executions of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians as being fake…

According to Florida-based Terrorism Research and Analysis Consortium, the 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians purported to have been decapitated in the video entitled “Signed With Blood: To The Nation Of The Cross,” was ruled to have been ‘staged’ due to the excessive anomalies seen in the dramatic 5 minute film.

Fake terror & propaganda

In a report this week at 21WIRE, prior to experts releasing their conclusion about the recent ISIS video production, I was able to outline many of the film’s irregularities and inconsistencies – proving that the film was indeed heavily orchestrated for maximum effect.

The overly produced video by ISIS media arm Al Hayat Media Center, was in fact an expensive looking affair, producing a professionally done film with heavy post production, subliminally arresting the viewer with deceptive propaganda.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:30am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

It's all very well to point to atrocities committed by other ideologies in the past

ummm its not pointing to atrocities committed in the past, its mistaking a two year old story for today's.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:57am

IMAGE.....

wally1 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 5:55am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:54am:

.....
And today, it is 2015.

What has changed since 2006 gandalf ?????????

IMAGE.....

These Egyptian Christians are being 'lawfully' executed by moslems in Libya.

By moslems who are following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine to lawfully kill 'criminals'.

And the 'crime' of these ~~Christians~~ 'Polytheists' ?

Was rejecting ISLAM. !!!

FAKE executions on a Libyan beach ?

In the very same way, that the Koran is a fake terror instruction manual, which has ABSOLUTELY no influence upon what moslems believe, and how moslem behave.

Coz, everyone knows that;

"ISLAM is peace. ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

Honest! :P

.

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt

EXAMPLE - of a moslem engaging in, a 'peaceful' 'stealth' Jihad, here in Australia, FALSELY promoting ISLAM as a 'peaceful' faith.....

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IMAGE....

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus

< -------------

And if you choose to believe the above, you are a person who is being wilfully [and irresponsibly] ignorant of a great evil in your midst, imo.

.

Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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IMAGE...

London, moslem street protests.

Moslems 'demonstrating' - just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

THis may not be a new story - nevertheless it is is as CURRENT now as it was 2 years ago. The only change is that there are now MORE openly hostile Muslims in the West, and more surveillance of them which may be why, despite several attempts, the atrocity has been prevented from being repeated.

Title: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Here is another example of the German war of attrition against Europe. This time in Poland. I am sure the defenders of Nazism will be happy.

"German forces have invaded Poland and its planes have bombed Polish cities, including the capital, Warsaw.
The attack comes without any warning or declaration of war."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/1/newsid_3506000/3506335.stm

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 2:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

But nobody is saying that it had nuffin' to do wiv Nazism, that it was just a tiny minority of completely misguided, unrepresentative Germans that did it.

Whereas all the mayhem commited while 'allahu akhbaring' is supposed to have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin, and especially nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Sounds like you're making excuses for murderers, Sore End.

Why would you do that?

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Sounds like you're making excuses for murderers, Sore End.

Why would you do that?

How so, gweg?

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Sounds like you're making excuses for murderers, Sore End.

Why would you do that?

How so, gweg?

You're blaming a religion for mayhem.

Only humans can implement mayhem, Sore Wend.

Why do you make excuses for those humans?

It's the humans who wield the knife - not a book, or belief system.

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Sounds like you're making excuses for murderers, Sore End.

Why would you do that?

How so, gweg?

You're blaming a religion for mayhem.

Only humans can implement mayhem, Sore Wend.

Why do you make excuses for those humans?

It's the humans who wield the knife - not a book, or belief system.

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Sounds like you're making excuses for murderers, Sore End.

Why would you do that?

How so, gweg?

You're blaming a religion for mayhem.

Only humans can implement mayhem, Sore Wend.

Why do you make excuses for those humans?

It's the humans who wield the knife - not a book, or belief system.

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

How is that an excuse, thick-as-two-firedoors gweg?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

How is that an excuse...?

You put the blame on religion.

You never blame the individuals who actually do the killing.

Why is that?

Why are you a terrorist apologist?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 11:58pm:

OK Defend this one.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/beheaded-girls-were-ramadan-trophies/story-e6frg6so-1111112492769

Mmm, doesn't appear to be anybody defending it, Issuevoter. I wonder why? Could it be because it's indefensible to most decent people? No, that must be Taqiyya, right? ::)

The reality is that supporters of IS are few and far between, despite the effort to, as Malcom Turnball put it, "play into IS's pocket" for them, by painting those that disagree with you as being "Terrorist sympathisers..." ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by issuevoter on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

Islam does a better job of smearing itself with atrocities like those cited above. Just wait a little longer. There are more were they came from.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

Muslims committing terrorist acts in the name of Islam are motivated by Islam.

Christian nuns carrying out charitable work in the name of Christ are motivated by Christianity.

Doctors carrying out life saving work are motivated by their Hyppocratic oath.

Nazis invading Poland are motivated by their Nazi ideology.

Stalinists staging show trials were motivated by their Stalinist ideology.

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

How is that an excuse...?

You put the blame on religion.

You never blame the individuals who actually do the killing.

Why is that?

Why are you a terrorist apologist?

You sound like a f Vcken Thacherite, two-fire-doors, 'no such thing as society, each individual is an island'.

Gweg, you are an idiot, you know it, I know it, we all know it. You will carry on with stupid pics and 'yeah, buts' - yet you will always remain an idiot. You are simply too old to grow a brain. You will never be intelligent, gweg, resign yourself.

You are a gweg, Gweg.

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:08pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

How is that an excuse...?

You put the blame on religion.

You never blame the individuals who actually do the killing.

Why is that?

Why are you a terrorist apologist?

So, no explanation at all as to why you're a terrorist apologist?

Yes? No?

Title: What motivates Sore End?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

How is that an excuse...?

You put the blame on religion.

You never blame the individuals who actually do the killing.

Why is that?

Why are you a terrorist apologist?

So, no explanation at all as to why you're a terrorist apologist?

Yes? No?

You could not articulate how I am a terrorist apologist if you were in an orange jumpsuit with a monster in black standing over you with a bloody big knife and another monster with a video camera in front of you..

You are nothing but a thick, mouthy git with no ideas, no arguments, no brain. You are nothing but a gweg.

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 3:44pm:

:D :D

Ideology has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'

Good one, gweg, undoubtedly your own stupid idea - but you have nuffin' to do wiv it, of curse.

Why do you continue to make excuses for murderers, Sore Wend?

What turned you into a terrorist sympathiser?

How is that an excuse...?

You put the blame on religion.

You never blame the individuals who actually do the killing.

Why is that?

Why are you a terrorist apologist?

So, no explanation at all as to why you're a terrorist apologist?

Yes? No?

You could not articulate how I am a terrorist apologist

There's no need to - every post you make just reinforces it.

I'm just curious as to why you make excuses for them. Some skeletons in the closet?

Title: Re: Germany invades Poland
Post by Soren on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

[

There's no need to - every post you make just reinforces it.

I'm just curious as to why you make excuses for them. Some skeletons in the closet?

;D

You could not make a coherent argument to safe your life, ya thick bastard.

You are ridiculous.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

gandalf,

Surely, ISLAM 'smears' its own name [to all sane people], when the intentions of ISLAMIC violence against non-moslems [BECAUSE they are non-moslems] is exposed.

And surely, moslems 'smear' ISLAM, whenever moslems tell the truth about ISLAM and ISLAM's political, secular, worldly, intentions.

EXAMPLE;

Quote:

"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah, HERE IN AUSTRALIA] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day.

YT -------------- >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw

.

EXAMPLE;

Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

---------- >

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

.

EXAMPLE;

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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.

EXAMPLE [of moslem bad behaviour, behaviour which is always justified, in ISLAM, by the perpetrators];

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

STRAIGHT FROM ALLAH'S MOUTH

------------- >

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Yadda on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

greggery,

You were defeated in debate, with a reasoned and logical argument.

....so, you respond with denigration ?

Moslem.

Moslems are only prepared to accept the basis of a reasoned argument, when their own argument is correct, and/or when what moslems seek to accomplish is aided [by a 'concession'].

Otherwise, moslems revert to deflection, or [most commonly] denigration or abuse.

Moslem.

greggery = = willingly, and wilfully, ignorant.

The word,
ignorance
comes from the root;
to ignore

Dictionary;
ignore = = disregard intentionally. fail to consider (something significant).

Dictionary;
ignorant, ignorance = =
1 lacking knowledge or awareness in general. uninformed about or unaware of a specific subject or fact.
2 discourteous.
3 easily angered.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Yadda on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:59pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

greggery,

You were defeated in debate, with a reasoned and logical argument.

....so, you respond with denigration ?

Moslem.

Moslems are only prepared to accept the basis of a reasoned argument, when their argument is correct, and when what they seek to accomplish is aided.

Otherwise, moslems revert to deflection, or [most commonly] denigration or abuse.

Moslem.

greggery = = willingly, and wilfully, ignorant.

The word,
ignorance
comes from the root;
to ignore

Dictionary;
ignore = = disregard intentionally. fail to consider (something significant).

Dictionary;
ignorant, ignorance = =
1 lacking knowledge or awareness in general. uninformed about or unaware of a specific subject or fact.
2 discourteous.
3 easily angered.

Poor, little, greggery.

When he is defeated in open debate, he resorts to baseless abuse/denigration.

Moslem.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Yadda wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:59pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

greggery,

You were defeated in debate, with a reasoned and logical argument.

....so, you respond with denigration ?

Moslem.

Moslems are only prepared to accept the basis of a reasoned argument, when their argument is correct, and when what they seek to accomplish is aided.

Otherwise, moslems revert to deflection, or [most commonly] denigration or abuse.

Moslem.

greggery = = willingly, and wilfully, ignorant.

The word,
ignorance
comes from the root;
to ignore

Dictionary;
ignore = = disregard intentionally. fail to consider (something significant).

Dictionary;
ignorant, ignorance = =
1 lacking knowledge or awareness in general. uninformed about or unaware of a specific subject or fact.
2 discourteous.
3 easily angered.

Poor, little, greggery.

When he is defeated in open debate, he resorts to baseless abuse/denigration.

Moslem.

au contraire

You and Sore End have been exposed as terrorist sympathisers.

All day, every day, you two make excuses for murderers.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

What are you hiding?

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Yadda on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:46am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

greggery,

Regards your post #50.

Another epic fail, in logic and reason.

I'll give you 100% though, for 'unsupported opinion', and for empty name calling ["terrorist sympathisers"].

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

IMAGE.....

wally1 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 5:55am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 12:54am:

And today, it is 2015.

What has changed since 2006 gandalf ?????????

IMAGE.....

These Egyptian Christians are being 'lawfully' executed by moslems in Libya.

By moslems who are following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine to lawfully kill 'criminals'.

And the 'crime' of these ~~Christians~~ 'Polytheists' ?

Was rejecting ISLAM. !!!

wally1,

~~Doesnt ISLAM tell you not to lie?~~

Oh sorry!!!

I forgot!!!

RELATED INFORMATION;

Quote:

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

hey wally1,

Another FAKE image ???

-------- >

IMAGE.....

image Source....

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Karnal on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

Agreed Soren - this is why we should be posting "news" stories from 2 years ago and pretend they are new.

Soren once again justifying the use of porky pies for the "greater good" (smearing Islam).

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

Now now, Greggery, the approved term is correlation not causation.

Dear old boys just happen to have genetic abnormalities. We wouldn’t want to be seen as biologically determined on this.

It’s all about the soul, you see. The old boy has the right to not be offended, so please tread carefully here.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End & Yadda?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

greggery,

Regards your post #50.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Yadda on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

Pathetic pissants changing thread titles again.

FD should ban them for doing this.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 1:22pm

Another pathetic pissant leftist changing thread title.

FD should ban these assclowns.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by moses on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

Quote:

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

The book and belief system is the root cause of islamic atrocities.

muslims are the product of 50 odd generations of absolute submission to the root cause of islamic depravity.

The book and the belief system has to be entirely reformed, before we can expect to see any change in the behavioural pattern of muslims.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

moses wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Quote:

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

Another apologist.

Nice.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by issuevoter on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm

moses wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Quote:

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that? Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

Reform of Islam is impossible. If you take out the bad bits there's nothing left.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Soren on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that?

Because THEY identify their beliefs and motivations you thick ijit.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that?

Because THEY identify their beliefs and motivations you thick ijit.

So, you're just like them?

It all makes (non)sense now.

At least one terrorist apologist has explained his motives.

What about you, Yadda?

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by Soren on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that?

Because THEY identify their beliefs and motivations you thick ijit.

So, you're just like them?

It all makes (non)sense now.

At least one terrorist apologist has explained his motives.

What about you, Yadda?

You are nothing but a thick, mouthy git with no ideas, no arguments, no brain. You are nothing but a slimey gweg.

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End?
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

What motivates Sore End - stupidity, or genetic abnormalities?

See greggery!!!!!

See!!

Even Karnal agrees, that you should not [just because you are WRONG!], denigrate Soren.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that?

Because THEY identify their beliefs and motivations you thick ijit.

So, you're just like them?

It all makes (non)sense now.

At least one terrorist apologist has explained his motives.

What about you, Yadda?

You are nothing but a thick, mouthy git with no ideas, no arguments, no brain. You are nothing but a slimey gweg.

Personal insults from terrorist apologists don't bother me too much, Sore End.

Thanks for clarifying your position though.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm

Give this a shot, fire door - explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

I bet anything that you are not able to do this. You remain a thick mouthy git with no ideas and no coherent arguments.
Here's your clear chance, prove me wrong,

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You put 100% of the blame on a book and a belief system, and never blame the individuals who commit the crimes.

You can't even name them.

I don't know why you continue to be a terrorist apologist (a skeleton in the family closet perhaps), however, you just do.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

"They are motivated by Islam, Your Honour, without any doubt. But they come from a wealthy Saudi/Yemeni/Lebanese family so that should be taken into account as a mitigating circumstance."

Like that?

Or

"They are motivated by Islam, Your Honour, without any doubt. But they come from a poor Indonesian/Iraqi/Somali family so that should be taken into account as a mitigating circumstance."

Or what?

THEY say they are motivated by Islam - who the fOOK are you to dispute what they say?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:29pm

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

I've never once disputed the fact that they're motivated by Islam.

Perhaps you're mistaking me for someone else.

Just so you understand: they are, without doubt, motivated by Islam.

So, why do you excuse their behaviour just because of a belief system?

Why are you a terrorist apologist?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You make no sense, once again, gweg.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You make no sense, once again, gweg.

Why do you make excuses for murderers?

Title: Re: What motivates Sore End & Yadda?
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

greggery,

Regards your post #50.

You never blame the individual who does the killing - you always blame a belief system and/or a book.

Why is that?

Why do you always make excuses for these murderers?

< ---------

Incoherent and illogical.

Dictionary;
incoherent = = incomprehensible or confusing in speech or writing. internally inconsistent; illogical.

.

In a sane world, a nation like Australia would simply decide to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

How?

Easy.

All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to pass legislation to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

To make ISLAM a proscribed philosophy, within Australia.

BUT WHY?

Easy.

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

.

WHY?

Easy.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

.

WHY?

Easy.

Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

.

WHY?

Easy.

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

------------- >

Muslims brainwash children in Australia -------- > goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:58am

Still making excuses.

Apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You make no sense, once again, gweg.

Why do you make excuses for murderers?

< ---------

Still, incoherent and illogical.

Dictionary;
incoherent = = incomprehensible or confusing in speech or writing. internally inconsistent; illogical.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:06am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:58am:

Still making excuses.

Apologist.

< ---------

Still, incoherent and illogical.

Dictionary;
incoherent = = incomprehensible or confusing in speech or writing. internally inconsistent; illogical.

Still no logical proposition.

Still empty name calling ["Apologist."].

.

In a sane world, a nation like Australia would simply decide to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

BUT WHY?

Easy.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

.

ISLAMIC DOCTRINE.....

MURDERING DISBELIEVERS IS LAWFUL

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:12am

Still an apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

Still an apologist.

< ---------

Still, incoherent and illogical.

Dictionary;
incoherent = = incomprehensible or confusing in speech or writing. internally inconsistent; illogical.

Still no logical proposition.

Still empty name calling ["Apologist."].

greggery is still an apologist, for a murderous death cult and its members.

greggery wants to silence anyone who is calling for ISLAM and moslems, to be put under moral scrutiny.

.

In a sane world, a nation like Australia would simply decide to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

How?

Easy.

All it would take, would be for our federal parliament to pass legislation to BAN the PRACTICE of ISLAM, within Australia.

To make ISLAM a proscribed philosophy, within Australia.

BUT WHY?

Easy.

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

.

WHY?

Easy.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

.

WHY?

Easy.

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:28am

Excuses.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:32am

Yadda wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:12am:

Still an apologist.

FURTHER;

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15

Quote:

You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:33am

More excuses.

Apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Excuses.

< ---------

Still, incoherent and illogical posts from, ....greggery.

Dictionary;
incoherent = = incomprehensible or confusing in speech or writing. internally inconsistent; illogical.

Still no logical proposition.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:36am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

More excuses.

Apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:39am

Nothing but excuses.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Nothing but excuses.

< ---------

Still nothing but incoherent and illogical posts from, ....greggery.

Dictionary;
incoherent = = incomprehensible or confusing in speech or writing. internally inconsistent; illogical.

Still no logical proposition.

Nothing has changed in the last 5 minutes;

greggery is still an apologist, for a murderous death cult and its members.

greggery wants to silence anyone who is calling for ISLAM and moslems, to be put under moral scrutiny.

greggery still refuses to present an argument for any action which would effectively counter a murderous death cult and its members.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

Apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:

Apologist.

Everyone noticed that you can't explain yourself, firedoors gweg.
Apologist - for what?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 5:47pm

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:

Apologist.

Everyone noticed that you can't explain yourself, firedoors gweg.
Apologist - for what?

Murderers.

Stop making excuses for them, apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by issuevoter on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You would try German soldiers and ignore the Nazi Party.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:42pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You would try German soldiers and ignore the Nazi Party.

I'd try the people who did the killing.

I've never seen a religion, book, or party kill anyone - have you?

Take as much time as you need to think about your answer, apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

I'd try the people who did the killing.

I've never seen a religion, book, or party kill anyone - have you? ...

Quite right!

I've never seen a firearm, bomb or edged weapon kill anyone either.

The again, I've never seen a firearm, bomb or edged weapon preach or promote killing, have you?

Maybe religions, books and political affiliations have a lot to answer for, just as much as the weaponry involved.

Or perhaps it's just people that the problem.

Homo Sapiens has proven to be the most efficient killer on the planet.

Don't you think it ironic that a lot of this species' supposed intelligence is directed towards the justification of global genocide?

It matters not what label you wish to apply or what methods you wish to employ, the instinct remains. It's merely the methodology that changes.

Whenever humans compete, there will be a loser and a winner. When we extrapolate these conflicts to global scales, therein lies the capacity for atrocity.

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Back to square one, greggery.

Who gave the ape the stick? And why is it the stick's fault?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:19am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am:

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Bingo!

Yadda, Sore End, et al. are all apologists.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:19am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am:

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Bingo!

Yadda, Sore End, et al. are all apologists.

And motivates the intention, firedoor gweg?

You are so stupid as to maintain that without Mein Kampf and Nazi ideology individual Germans would have STILL invaded Poland 'coz it's the persons, not the ideology' and blaming the actions of German Nazis on Nazism is an apology for them 'coz books and ideologies do not kill people'.

The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

You really are that stupid.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:56am

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:19am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am:

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Bingo!

Yadda, Sore End, et al. are all apologists.

You really are an apologist.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

You really are an apologist.

Very accurate. Very articulately put. Well done, Greg! ;)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 2:23pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

Its not as simple as that. No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name. Thats your strawman.

Also you couldn't have picked a worse analogy than the Nazis. Germans had a whole stack of justifications in their mind for running rampant in Eastern Europe without getting the Nazi ideology involved. For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism. As a matter of fact, the Nazi example is a good piece of evidence to support Greg's point.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

[
The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

Not the same atrocities.

They would have found some other excuse to cause mayhem, and the circumstances of their behaviour would depend on that particular motivator.

Surely you're not suggesting that in the absence of Islam, the scum carrying out terrorist attacks would just be average law-abiding citizens who you would enjoy having a beer with down at the pub?

Is that what you're saying, Sore End/apologist?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by moses on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:50pm

Gandalf wrote:
Quote:

No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name.

So why shouldn't the islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an aggregate be relentlessly attacked for the inhumane depravity it breeds?

Gregggerypeccary wrote:
Quote:

Why is it that muslims are thousands of times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other person in our society?

400 out of approximately 400,000 is about one in a thousand muslims are actively participating in islamic terrorism.

Women, girls, teenagers, children and adults right across the entire spectrum of islamic society are convinced they are doing the spiritually correct deeds.

Why is the muslim's rate of religious atrocities so high?

How do you suggest people should denounce these islamic degenerates?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:19pm

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Gandalf wrote:
Quote:

No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name.

So why shouldn't the islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an aggregate be relentlessly attacked for the inhumane depravity it breeds?

Gregggerypeccary wrote:[quote]Not the same atrocities.

They would have found some other excuse to cause mayhem, and the circumstances of their behaviour would depend on that particular motivator.

Surely you're not suggesting that in the absence of Islam, the scum carrying out terrorist attacks would just be average law-abiding citizens who you would enjoy having a beer with down at the pub?

Is that what you're saying, Sore End/apologist?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by moses on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

I take it you can't answer the simple questions below.

Why is it that muslims are thousands of times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other person in our society?

400 out of approximately 400,000 is about one in a thousand muslims are actively participating in islamic terrorism.

Women, girls, teenagers, children and adults right across the entire spectrum of islamic society are convinced they are doing the spiritually correct deeds.

Why is the muslim's rate of religious atrocities so high?

How do you suggest people should denounce these islamic degenerates?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

[
The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

Evidently - there would be no Islamic ideology for them to rally around in such large number.

You average lowlife down the pub is not dreaming of a world-wide ummah and rule by the low-lives. They are isolated chancers and thugs.
But jihad brings together the worst of the worst and makes them into a mass phenomenon, organised, purposeful, blood-thirsty - and self-righteously so, in the name of their shared ideology.

The analogy with Nazism is apt. The Nazi oath is like the demand of Islam: total submission. Islam, like Nazism, Communism, wants world domination. It justified atrocities in the name of that 'sacred' goal. Hence the allahu akhbaring when the bombs go off and the heads are chopped and the slave girls are captured.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:49pm

Quote:

No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name. Thats your strawman.

LOL

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

How about an answer to the question:

Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?

Absolutely.

They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

Want to try again Greg?

Try what again?

My answer remains the same: "absolutely".

Islam is just the excuse they use today.

If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification.

I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them.

Good on you for having another go.

Are you having difficulty understanding the question?

Your question:

"Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?"

My answer:

"Yes".

If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you.

Yes please.

Spell it out for us Greg.

Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims.

Islam is just the excuse they use today.

If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

They're evil bastards.

Can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.

Quote:

For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism.

Love room?

Quote:

As a matter of fact, the Nazi example is a good piece of evidence to support Greg's point.

So if Muslims were not Muslims they would be Nazis? You and Greg make a good team.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1436235905/93#93 date=1436577472] For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism.

;D

You are watching too much German porn, Gandy.

Lebensraum is the word you are groping for.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1436235905/93#93 date=1436577472] For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism.

;D

You are watching too much German porn, Gandy.

Lebensraum is the word you are groping for.

Arbeit macht frei, alt jugend.

Gott mit uns, nein?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

Thursday, 9 July 2015
ISIS supporter releases guide on establishing 'Muslim gangs', how to spread hate among Islamic communities, stop them integrating with non-Muslims, and using charities as fronts to raise cash

Jihadi supporters have been circulating a radical guidebook on social media, providing deadly instructions on how to create an active terror cell. The shocking handbook, which has not been named by the MailOnline, worryingly contains a chapter by chapter guide to financing 'Muslim gangs' and obtaining weapons in the UK.

The book appears to be targeting a British audience, with harrowing references to a number of Britain's worst terror cases.

Behind the cover of a charitable organisation raising awareness of Islamic teachings, gang members are urged to draw in recruits covertly off the streets.

Terrifyingly detailed bombmaking instructions are laid out in another chapter . . . Gang members are encouraged to carry out muggings and acts of credit card fraud to pay for weapons and materials for large scale attacks. Even police anti-terror tactics are scrutinised, as well as lengthy quotes of guidance from the dead terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

It goes on to explain how to test improvised devices as well as obtain more money and weapons

Dedicated gang members are given plans on how to best board up houses from an impending terror raid, oddly referencing the American comedy film Home Alone as an example of defending your home.

It praises Anjem Choudary for his knowledge of the law and claims people like the former spokesman for Islam4UK, 'study the latest version of the Anti-Terrorism Act (Law)' so they call for Islamic Law in the UK without being arrested.

The handbook draws on some of the latest terror arrest cases, including the jailing of 20-year-old Zakariya Ashiq, from Coventry, for allegedly trying to join ISIS.

It draws on short, distorted Qu'ranic quotes to justify why Muslims should only fear Allah and not show any fear of being jailed by the authorities.

The financial strategy of carrying out muggings and recruiting people by handing out leaflets on an Islamic street stall, was used by British jihadist Choukri Ellekhlifi before he travelled to Syria. Video footage emerged of Choukri Ellekhlifi working on a Dawah stall in West London, attempting to convert passers-by. He was also known for being part of a West London gang, who used tasers and mopeds to mug their victims
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/61772

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

Poll: Half of British Muslims May Be ISIS Sympathisers – Muslim Association Blames Tory Cuts (Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it- ed.)

From Breitbart

Despite the horrific actions of the Islamist terror group over the past 12 months, one and a half million British Muslims have been identified as potential supporters of Islamic State (IS) in a recently conducted poll.

Support for the group in the UK has grown from seven per cent to nine per cent since 2014, the ICM poll of 2016 people commissioned by The Mirror revealed.

Three per cent of Britons now declare a “very favourable view” of IS – rising from one per cent last year – which means numerically up to half of Britain’s three million Muslims may be supporters. Astonishingly, fully six per cent of the population register a “somewhat favorable” view of the group, up by one per cent.

More predictably those with a “very un-favorable” view of IS has risen from 45 to 80 per cent – in a year of beheadings, human burnings, drowning, mass rape and attempted genocide.

“One reason [for the support] may be due to the perception that ISIS represents an opponent to the West and those who are dissatisfied or disenfranchised with the new Tory policies – of further cuts and civil rights strangulation – are using this anonymous platform to express their frustration” Omer El-Hamdoon, president of the Muslim Association of Britain, told The Mirror.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/61781

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Poll: Half of British Muslims May Be ISIS Sympathisers – Muslim Association Blames Tory Cuts (Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it- ed.)

Yes, old boy, but you're forgetting all the non-Muslims who May Be ISIS Sympathisers.

We're British. We love a good crucufixion. It's our state religion.

And don't get me started on beheadings.

No, I do think there's a little ISIS in all of us. There's a big part of ISIS in your good self, no?

Tintedness excluded.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Stop making excuses for murderers.

It's not a good look.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Stop making excuses for murderers.

It's not a good look.

Moses has been excusing God's chosen people all year.

Mind you, I don't think he's read the Old Testament. We have to keep quoting it to him. Kill them, slay them, burn them, stone them.

Now I know where Sprint gets it from.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

cult

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

Tut tut, Brain.

You fail to make the necessary distinctions between Muslims here. Very, very amiss of you.

DO you mean all Muslims? Do you mean non-practicing Muslims? Apostate Muslims? Hizbies? Talibs?

Very Islamophobic of you, Brain. Don't let gweg the firedoor catch you because he will w@nk about it for days and days and he will well and truly blot your copy book, Brain.
You have been warned.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:24am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

It is the moslem, who insists that he is not, and will never be, an infidel.

It is the moslem, who insists, that he is a member of the ummah [the community of all moslems].

Quote:

All moslems are GUILTY.

.....of being moslems.

Guilty, of giving their allegiance to ISLAM.

[quote]

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

[/quote]

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1430454112/28#28

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

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FURTHER;

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15

Quote:

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

It is the moslem, who insists that he is not, and will never be, an infidel.

It is the moslem, who insists, that he is a member of the ummah [the community of all moslems].

*SIGH* do keep up, Yadda. We are discussing different kinds of Muslims, not whether or not a Muslim is a Muslim or not... ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Not only Muslims - terrorists too.

In order to discuss Sore End's views, you must first adopt his beliefs.

i.e. all terrorists are Muslims and, all Muslims are terrorists.

It would also help if you had an irrational fear and hatred of ... well ... pretty much everything.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Yadda on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 12:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Yadda corrects;

"All moslems are moslems, therefore, all moslems are terrorists."

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

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Yadda said....

Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 4:36pm

Apologist!

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

edit You could not present a coherent argument to save your life.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I thought, according to you, Soren, that Muslims were not integrated anyway... ::) ::)

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Oh, and when you're caught out - just abuse people in order to deflect attention.

Sore End has been doing these things for years, and look where it's got him.

Cunning.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Do Muslims have ANYTHING in common with each other? If not - what is the meaning of the word 'Muslim'.

If they do have something in common - do tell us what it is, Brain.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:25pm

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Do Muslims have ANYTHING in common with each other? If not - what is the meaning of the word 'Muslim'.

If they do have something in common - do tell us what it is, Brain.

They're all unfairly demonised by Sore End.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Do Muslims have ANYTHING in common with each other? If not - what is the meaning of the word 'Muslim'.

If they do have something in common - do tell us what it is, Brain.

They're all unfairly demonised by Sore End.

That's it? A 'Muslim' is someone I 'unfairly demonise'?

What does that mean' unfairly demonise'? 'By Soren'?

Am I the only one who can 'unfairly demonise' or can others do it too? Who else? What does 'unfairly' entail"? 'Demonise' - is that different from 'reject' or 'disagree with'? If so, how?

"Are you aware of just how stupid you actually are, gweg' - is that a valid question or a demonisation - DEMONISATION!!!! - of a thicko??

Who can tell authoritatively?

If I say that you are a complete idiot without any redeeming features - is that a hate crime or a considered diagnosis? Who decides?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:16am

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

What does that mean' unfairly demonise'? 'By Soren'?

how about labeling all women who wear the hijab as sinister campaigners for a barbaric legal system?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Do Muslims have ANYTHING in common with each other? If not - what is the meaning of the word 'Muslim'.

If they do have something in common - do tell us what it is, Brain.

Their belief in Allah and Mohammed as it's prophet, Soren? ::)

Their belief in the Seven Pillars of Islam? ::)

So, what do the various denominations of Christianity have in common, Soren? ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 4:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

What does that mean' unfairly demonise'? 'By Soren'?

how about labeling all women who wear the hijab as sinister campaigners for a barbaric legal system?

How about labelling Ananda Margas and Armenian Christians as Mohammedans?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 5:21pm

They're all ragheads K.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

As I am discussing your views, Soren, I'm using your usual methodology of identifying all Muslims the same collectively. ::)

Do Muslims have ANYTHING in common with each other? If not - what is the meaning of the word 'Muslim'.

If they do have something in common - do tell us what it is, Brain.

Their belief in Allah and Mohammed as it's prophet, Soren? ::)

That's a bit 'collective', innit?? (and also my definition).

But I notice that you fail to properly conjugate the rich tapestry, Brain. Tut, tut.

Or is it the case that if I say it's persecution, if you say it, it's 'learned'.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

They're all ragheads K.

A valid observation - see?? I am not always in disagreement with Muslims!

Re Armenians and whatnot - I did correct my mistake when it was pointed out. Not something either you or PB are willing to do. You delight in the sleight of hand recall.

Gandy, if you actually dug up my post you would see that I made a couple of exceptions, especially for older Muslim women who have lived in a Muslim country all their lives and arrived in the West past 40 or 50 years of age.

But it's true, I think if you are young Australian woman and you don the hijab and especially the niqab, you are demonstrating and advertising your support for values and norms that are antithetical to your own country's culture and system. As it is perfectly possible to have a privatre Muslim faith without anyone on the street knowing, Muslim women's relationship to ALlah and Islam is perfectly possible in a fully religious, private way. There is no meed for hijab or niqab in the West for a Muslim woman to be a Muslim woman.

So putting on the garb they are doing something over and above religion. They are demonstrating civilisation alientation from their home countries, they are demoinstrrating conscious opposition to the values, customs, habits and norms of their own country, in favour for a much less free, less tolerant, less open, less civilised, less cultured and more primitive tradition and customs.

The hijab and the niqab are not merely counter-cultural, like the mini skirt or long hair in the 60s, two fingers to the establishment, to be grown out of by 30. They are signs of submission to an alien culture. They are pro-cultural, pro-anti-Western cultural (sorry about the clanky construction but you know what I am saying).

You can search my posts and you will see that I have always said I don't care if you are a Muslim as long as you don't parade it in the public space, and don't demand accommodation from everyone else. Your private communion with your god is not my business.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:50pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

I think if you are young Australian woman and you don the hijab and especially the niqab, you are demonstrating and advertising your support for values and norms that are antithetical to your own country's culture and system. As it is perfectly possible to have a privatre Muslim faith without anyone on the street knowing, Muslim women's relationship to ALlah and Islam is perfectly possible in a fully religious, private way. There is no meed for hijab or niqab in the West for a Muslim woman to be a Muslim woman.

What utter fapping nonsense.

You think your own subjective values are somehow universal values. Obviously the test for determining whether or not someone adheres to the values and norms of our society is through their demonstrated behaviour and attitudes - not by what they wear. You completely reject the possibility that a woman can wear a piece of clothing and at the same time behave and think in ways that are totally in line with the norms of our culture. Which is just stupid.

Utterly ridiculously absurdly fapping stupid.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Secret Wars on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

True, not all cultures treat women equally, not even Western cultures but we are trying to get there. Happily in Australia a woman can wear pretty well what she wants. Unhappily not all countries or cultures allow that.

Wether or not you think that is a good or bad thing, is as you say subjective.

Me, my preference is for greater freedom and equality for women, they need not walk behind, or have separate seating and can wear what they like.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

I agree with you 'secret'
the muslims garb is offensive to our culture and shows the oppressive nature of that cult islam

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Part of being a free and fair society is to learn to judge people for how they behave and treat others - and not what they look like. Soren is just demonstrating that he is not suitable for a society like ours.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

I don't care if you are a Muslim as long as you don't parade it in the public space, and don't demand accommodation from everyone else. Your private communion with your god is not my business.

You don't have to look.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:33pm

apparently wearing a simple piece of head-dress is "demanding accommodation from everyone else" FF_S ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:35pm

Ban them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Civilisation has its discontents, no?

Kill them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

apparently wearing a simple piece of head-dress is "demanding accommodation from everyone else" FF_S ::)

Accommodation? I believe the correct term is submission.

Carry on fapping, Gandy. We know you will.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

apparently wearing a simple piece of head-dress is "demanding accommodation from everyone else" FF_S ::)

OK, Gandy, please tell me why bother with a public display of your cultural apartness if it is not really a do-or-die religious requirement?

The Muslims understand the power of such symbolism so they do not allow ANY non-Muslim display of religious affiliation in the seat and heart of Islam today. Why is Islam so forbidding of non-Islamic display of religious affiliation if it is neither here nor there? If Islam can ban and suppress, why can't others ban and suppress Islam?

You exploit freedoms that Islam is simply not prepared toi grant to others.

That is a sign of outright hostility and 'non-diversity' by Islam. I simply do not see why the West should accommodate such a totally unaccommodating creed.
Explain if you can why the West should accommodate Islam when it is so completely unaccommodating? Where is the mutuality?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:39pm

Quote:

You think your own subjective values are somehow universal values. Obviously the test for determining whether or not someone adheres to the values and norms of our society is through their demonstrated behaviour and attitudes - not by what they wear. You completely reject the possibility that a woman can wear a piece of clothing and at the same time behave and think in ways that are totally in line with the norms of our culture. Which is just stupid.

Gandalf are you aware of any women who wear the letterbox outfit yet still behave and think in ways that are totally in line with the norms of our culture?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:52pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

apparently wearing a simple piece of head-dress is "demanding accommodation from everyone else" FF_S ::)

bump

beautifully said

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:39pm:

Quote:

Gandalf are you aware of any women who wear the letterbox outfit yet still behave and think in ways that are totally in line with the norms of our culture?

No - and I'm not talking about the letterbox outfit.

And its called a burqa.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:42pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

OK, Gandy, please tell me why bother with a public display of your cultural apartness if it is not really a do-or-die religious requirement?

Because some women do believe it is a religious requirement. There are also women who wear it for a whole range of reasons - cultural identity probably being one of them. But S the actual wording I picked up on was "demanding accommodation from everyone else". You seem to be running away from that now. Whatever reason a woman decides to wear a particular piece of clothing, she is not "demanding" anything from anyone - just the right to wear it without fear of discrimination or persecution.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

The Muslims understand the power of such symbolism so they do not allow ANY non-Muslim display of religious affiliation in the seat and heart of Islam today. Why is Islam so forbidding of non-Islamic display of religious affiliation if it is neither here nor there? If Islam can ban and suppress, why can't others ban and suppress Islam?

You exploit freedoms that Islam is simply not prepared toi grant to others

I really can't work out why you feel the need to be so unnecessarily belligerent towards me - when you damn well my thoughts on these matters are the exact opposite to what you describe here. We could be working on common ground here S - instead you have to create these ridiculous strawmen so you can continue being an arse towards me. You *KNOW* how abhorent I find the anti-freedom laws in much of the muslim world, so why in God's name would you conflate my opinions with theirs? Women should be free to wear what they want *WHEREVER* they are - Sydney, London, Aleppo or freaking Mecca. Yes it s W.R.O.N.G that women are forced to wear a particular restrictive type of clothing in the heartland of the Islamic world - and I have nothing but complete contempt for the logical leap that says its therefore somehow justifiable to persecute muslim in the west for wearing "non-western" clothing.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

OK, Gandy, please tell me why bother with a public display of your cultural apartness if it is not really a do-or-die religious requirement?

Because some women do believe it is a religious requirement.

What the hell happened to their critical faculties??

They live in the West, they speak English, they have been through the Western education systems - they know ALL about critique.
And so they CHOOSE - not inadvertently find themselves in - burqas and hijabs and niqabs.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Whatever reason a woman decides to wear a particular piece of clothing, she is not "demanding" anything from anyone - just the right to wear it without fear of discrimination or persecution.

If she can wear it, I can say it's a stupid thing to wear it - that's freedom.

But she wants me to accept her freedom but will take exception to mine. She want;s me to accept her freedom to wear a stupid outfit but reject my freedom to say that it is stupid and a demonstration of her antagonism to the mainstream culture around her.

Once again, Islam want to use freedom to advance its aims but wants top abolish freedoms that may block it.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Because I do not see you as active in the reformation of Islam, only as being active in rejecting non-Muslim criticisms of Islam. When I see you agitating - not on these boards - against the inhuman aspects of Islam I will be you ally.

Until then, it's just easy words from you on an obscure platform for kvetching. No effect, no impact, no credibility.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:39pm:

Quote:

Gandalf are you aware of any women who wear the letterbox outfit yet still behave and think in ways that are totally in line with the norms of our culture?

No - and I'm not talking about the letterbox outfit.

And its called a burqa.

I prefer the term letterbox outfit. There is less room for confusion. But please feel free to substitute whatever traditional Islamic garb you want if it enables you to answer the question.

Quote:

Because I do not see you as active in the reformation of Islam

Gandalf has proposed two major reforms that I have noticed. One is reinterpreting Muhammed's instruction to execute gays. The other is suggesting that Muhammed erred. For some reason he is now running away from both of them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

If she can wear it, I can say it's a stupid thing to wear it - that's freedom.

Ah pulls the old "I'm free to say...." defense. It was only a matter of time.

Yes, I suppose you are free to make up baseless lies to smear people - I can't really argue with that. But its completely irrelevant - because nowhere did I or anyone say you should be banned from doing so. What I am saying is that your smears are completely baseless, they are bigoted and they are specifically designed to unfairly smear and degrade an entire group in our society. Thats freedom.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:21am

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

But please feel free to substitute whatever traditional Islamic garb you want if it enables you to answer the question.

Sorry FD - are you saying that "no" is not an answer to a 'yes/no' question? I wonder what is an answer - "Islam sux" perhaps?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Yes, well we know how well you take notice of what muslims say. In just one thread we went from "gandalf thinks gays should be executed" to "gandalf thinks an order to execute gays should be interpreted as tolerance for gays" to "actually I don't even know what gandalf says."

Quite understandable that you missed entirely my considered and detailed thoughts about actual reform in Islam - such as reinterpreting the ahadith in Islamic doctrine and how the Quran should be properly understood as promoting freedom of thought and critical thinking. Of course it was much more important for you to focus on twisting gandalf's words about gays.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Whatever reason a woman decides to wear a particular piece of clothing, she is not "demanding" anything from anyone - just the right to wear it without fear of discrimination or persecution.

If she can wear it, I can say it's a stupid thing to wear it - that's freedom.

That’s right, old boy. It’s also the textbook definition of religious vilification.

In darker times, such vilification could lead to riots. Over a million people were killed in Calcutta during partition, and the riots that were the cause were started over the old boy hostility you hold to be a virtue.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:27am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

But please feel free to substitute whatever traditional Islamic garb you want if it enables you to answer the question.

Sorry FD - are you saying that "no" is not an answer to a 'yes/no' question? I wonder what is an answer - "Islam sux" perhaps?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Both the giver and the taker, G. Get it right. FD’s a stickler for the words - especially if no one said them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:21pm

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Sorry FD - are you saying that "no" is not an answer to a 'yes/no' question? I wonder what is an answer - "Islam sux" perhaps?

My bad. So despite not actually knowing such a woman, you have a go at Soren for apparently "completely rejecting" the possibility that one might exist?

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Do you know what your opinion is on the matter Gandalf?

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Quite understandable that you missed entirely my considered and detailed thoughts about actual reform in Islam - such as reinterpreting the ahadith in Islamic doctrine and how the Quran should be properly understood as promoting freedom of thought and critical thinking. Of course it was much more important for you to focus on twisting gandalf's words about gays.

Feel free to link to the thread. I do recall something about your efforts at reform. You are correct that I must have missed it while I thoroughly researched that post. How is the reform going by the way? Have you summoned the courage to tell any Muslims about it?

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That’s right, old boy. It’s also the textbook definition of religious vilification.

Crap. Mocking people for wearing a tent in the middle of summer is not religious vilificiation. It would be equally stupid for a non-Muslim to do so.

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In darker times, such vilification could lead to riots.

As could plenty of other thoughts that are now celebrated as expressions of free speech. I hope you are not suggesting that violent intolerance is a good reason to discard freedom of speech? Perhaps you are just doing the islamic apologist thing again.

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Both the giver and the taker, G. Get it right. FD’s a stickler for the words - especially if no one said them.

Muhammed said the words Karnal. "Kill him". You say it in jest. Muslims consider it to be the word of God.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

My bad. So despite not actually knowing such a woman, you have a go at Soren for apparently "completely rejecting" the possibility that one might exist?

You were talking about the letterbox outfit, I was talking about the hijab. Keep up. If you don't know the difference, google it. I've already made my disdain for the burqa/niqab clear. So whats your opinion FD - do you agree with Soren that wearing the hijab (not the burqa or niqab) demonstrates, without exception, the wearer's complete rejection of our society's values?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

I'm not sure about the "without exception" bit. The existence of an exception is theoretically possible.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

So you believe that overwhelmingly, a particular piece of head dress (the hijab) is worn in the west because the wearer wants to express their rejection of western values? A piece of clothing FD.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Pho Huc on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

I'm not sure about the "without exception" bit. The existence of an exception is theoretically possible.

;D Thats a good line! as much as I agree with the bent of gandalf's proposition

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:15pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

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Sorry FD - are you saying that "no" is not an answer to a 'yes/no' question? I wonder what is an answer - "Islam sux" perhaps?

My bad. So despite not actually knowing such a woman, you have a go at Soren for apparently "completely rejecting" the possibility that one might exist?

[quote]Yes, well we know how well you take notice of what muslims say. In just one thread we went from "gandalf thinks gays should be executed" to "gandalf thinks an order to execute gays should be interpreted as tolerance for gays" to "actually I don't even know what gandalf says."

Do you know what your opinion is on the matter Gandalf?

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That’s right, old boy. It’s also the textbook definition of religious vilification.

Crap. Mocking people for wearing a tent in the middle of summer is not religious vilificiation. It would be equally stupid for a non-Muslim to do so.

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In darker times, such vilification could lead to riots.

Both the giver and the taker, G. Get it right. FD’s a stickler for the words - especially if no one said them.

Muhammed said the words Karnal. "Kill him". You say it in jest. Muslims consider it to be the word of God.[/quote]

Did he? I thought he said something about the Mardis Gras.

You must admit, FD, it’s getting a bit hard to work out who said what, no?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

If she can wear it, I can say it's a stupid thing to wear it - that's freedom.

You declare that I smear and that I am wrong - but you do not prove it.

1. The hijab and the niqab are not required by Islam.

2. Women brought up in the West do not need to wear them. as there is no Western cultural or social pressure on them to wear these alien habits.

3. Women in the West are not wearing them for religious reasons because of points 1 and 2 above.

4. Women in the West are wearing them for non-religious reasons. What are non-religious reasons? Culture, politics, alien cultural pressures.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

So you believe that overwhelmingly, a particular piece of head dress (the hijab) is worn in the west because the wearer wants to express their rejection of western values? A piece of clothing FD.

They want to be identified as not being Western.

And then they claim 'Victimhood' for being marginalised. It's a case of 'own-goal'.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:06pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

The hijab and the niqab are not required by Islam.

Most muslims disagree with you - and yes I am in the minority here.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

4. Women in the West are wearing them for non-religious reasons. What are non-religious reasons? Culture, politics, alien cultural pressures.

Even if we disregard your false assumption about muslim beliefs - as per above, how can you not see the logical fallacy in this? Why does non-religious reasons necessarily mean rejection/hostility towards their host culture?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:11pm

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So you believe that overwhelmingly, a particular piece of head dress (the hijab) is worn in the west because the wearer wants to express their rejection of western values? A piece of clothing FD.

I do not think that is their primary motivation Gandalf. Muslims go to great lengths to build a facade around their contempt for western values.

Are you aware of any exceptions?

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You must admit, FD, it’s getting a bit hard to work out who said what, no?

True. Not even Gandalf knows what his opinion is. But he will happily participate in the debate about the true meaning of what the 2014 Gandalf said. There are lots of quotes to choose from. Like Islam, really.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:33pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

I do not think that is their primary motivation Gandalf. Muslims go to great lengths to build a facade around their contempt for western values.

You seem reluctant to give a straight answer FD.

Do you think most muslim women who wear the hijab have contempt for western values?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:37pm

Yes.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:40pm

Based on...?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:53pm

Child 'brides' in Islam.

Seems they have no choice in the matter, no matter the sex of the victim:

" THE man accused of the sexual assault and murder of Sydney teenager Mahmoud Hrouk may be placed in protective custody because of the brutal nature of his alleged crimes, a magistrate says.

AYMAN Terkmani, 22, was reporting for bail on drug supply offences at Fairfield police station on Thursday afternoon when homicide detectives took him into custody. ... " http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/no-bail-for-hrouk-murder-accused/story-e6frfku9-1227445493283

" A New South Wales man who allowed his 12-year-old daughter to illegally marry in an Islamic ceremony has been sentenced to at least six years in jail.

The 63-year-old, who cannot be identified to protect the girl's identity, was convicted in April of procuring his daughter for sex with a man, who was 26 at the time, and being an accessory. ... " http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/nsw-father-of-child-bride-sentenced-six-years-jail/6627466

Once upon a time, there was very little reportage of this sort of crime. Incidents of this type were usually sorted out on the gravel in the back lanes by the local 'Neighborhood Watch'.

One wonders what has changed in our society since.

Welcome to multicultural Australia, one supposes.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:08pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

Yes.

Burn them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:09pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

Yes.

Ban them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:11pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

Lionel, do you seriously believe this? Which is better? A society where the crime and the shame is hidden, where (primarily) men get away with horrendious sex crimes and the victims are silenced or a society where it is all out in the open, where the innocent are vindicated and the guilty punished? I know which I'd prefer to live in, having lived in the previous version when I was a child... ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Lionel Edriess on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:

You have to be joking!

Are you seriously suggesting that the comparisons I draw are the same?

If ever you were a victim of the same sort of abuse, I duly apologise. If not, I suggest you listen.

On the one hand we have the crimes committed by the most perverted of our own local culture in the 'old' days - and on the other we have the crimes committed by an imported culture, in our local 'modern' society, who live by an antiquated religious credo. Crimes that are not only tolerated and defended by that suddenly acceptable imported creed, but that also stand at odds with our 'old' societal mores.

Why the outcry about the old abuses of our own religious, however lamentable, and the sudden excusing of the same outrages by an imported ideology?

God forbid that Allah be insulted.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:20am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:

On the one hand we have the crimes committed by the most perverted of our own local culture in the 'old' days - and on the other we have the crimes committed by an imported culture, in our local 'modern' society, who live by an antiquated religious credo. Crimes that are not only tolerated and defended by that suddenly acceptable imported creed, but that also stand at odds with our 'old' societal mores.

Lionel, you appear to forget something - these crimes are not tolerated, they are not accepted, otherwise they'd never end up in court. You also seem to be assuming that this is the norm for these people, whereas in reality it is not, it is even unusual for them, for the most part. You appear to see Muslims as bug-eyed, green monsters from outer-space or something, whereas all white, Christian peoples are sane, normal and innocent of any crimes they might be charged with. The reality is somewhat different amongst the rest of humanity. There are good people, there are bad people and thankfully the bad people aren't tolerated aren't accepted and are treated appropriately according to the law. Time you grew up, Lionel and joined the rest of Australian Multicultural Society. ::)

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Why the outcry about the old abuses of our own religious, however lamentable, and the sudden excusing of the same outrages by an imported ideology?

The "outcry" as your hyperbole terms it is about Muslims being zeroed in for unfair treatment, Lionel, nothing more. All societies throw up criminals. It's a fact of life. Australian society hid it's for a long, long, long time. Look at the current Royal Commission into Sexual Abuse to see that. Christian Churches moved Paedophiles around rather than report them to police. Homes hid their crimes. Institutions ignored them. Hardly a glowing testimony to the supposed superiority of White, Christian society, now is it? ::) ::)

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God forbid that Allah be insulted.

Stop talking like an Islamist stereotype, Lionel. I know you have brains, don't you think it's time you used them instead of hiding behind your rose-coloured glass-eyed view of the past? ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

The hijab and the niqab are not required by Islam.

Most muslims disagree with you - and yes I am in the minority here.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

4. Women in the West are wearing them for non-religious reasons. What are non-religious reasons? Culture, politics, alien cultural pressures.

You do not need to advertise you private, spiritual, religious beliefs in the neutral, public space.
The point, as always, is that Islam is note merely a religion but a political movement as well. Religion and politics are inseparable in Islam. What are Islam's political and religious aims? Ummah, sharia, caliphate - in a word, Submission. That is what the hijab, niqab, the beard advertise - Submission, inclusding political and social submission. That's why they grate. They are signs of submission to something that is not simply alien but alien and hostile to Western values.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:03pm

You are so full of crap Soren. I'm sorry but its the only thing left to say without repeating your logical fallacies over and over and over and...

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:16pm

Always absolutely never-ever, eh?

Good show, dear boy. Beards.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

You are so full of crap Soren. I'm sorry but its the only thing left to say without repeating your logical fallacies over and over and over and...

You call it crap because it puts you on the spot where you cannot actually answer satisfactorily.

PB is immediately to hand to clap and nod.

Neither the hijab nor the niqab are required by Islam, only by Islamic custom in some countries - and no Western country is one of them.

On the other hand, it is the long-established custom in Western countries, in part for the sake of religious freedoms and coexistence, to keep religious affiliations to oneself in the public, shared space. Muslims ought to recognise and then respect that custom if they want religious and social harmony. But the niqabis and the hijabis and the bearded guys in pajamas want you to know that they consciously reject such established customs.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

'ello?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:45am

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

'ello?

Enough pillow-talk, old boy. You’ve been given your sleepers.

Now quieten down before I’m forced to call back Sister.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by issuevoter on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:29am

Muslims have no intention of co-existing. Islam is a proselytising religion, they are here to spread their beliefs, and will use any aspect of a multi-cultural tolerance to that purpose. They believe Mohamed was the messenger of God, spoke with angels, and this cannot be questioned in any way. Anything the faithful do is already written by God. Those who do not believe this are either apostates or infidels. Both of whom should be killed. Koran 8:12

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:49am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:29am:

Sounds like the Church of Latter Day Saints to me. They believer their founder spoke with Angels and nothing he said/did can be questioned. Funny how we don't hear anybody attacking them on here... ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 4:47pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:49am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:29am:

Sounds like the Church of Latter Day Saints to me.

Yeah - and no-one takes them seriously either.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm

Soren wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 4:47pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:49am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:29am:

Sounds like the Church of Latter Day Saints to me.

Yeah - and no-one takes them seriously either.

Are you suggesting that we should take the loony-tunes of Islam seriously Soren? The group most Muslims don't want anything to do with? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:55pm

When they start redrawing maps and attracting Australian Muslims to their latest rape and pillage festival, yes it is something to be taken seriously. I believe they have done a few other nasty things lately to get people's attention.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 1:08pm

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:55pm:

In Australia or in Iraq FD? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 5:29pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:55pm:

In Australia or in Iraq FD? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Everywhere. Australia's been renamed Salaam el Allah. They're working on the borders as we speak. They'll be deporting us when all the legal work's done.

Allah Uakbar, no?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by freediver on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 6:26pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:55pm:

In Australia or in Iraq FD? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Good point. I also find it quite hilarious when Aussie Muslims rape and kill people in the middle east. I'm surprised Karnal hasn't dropped a poo joke yet.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 6:47pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Are you suggesting that we should take the loony-tunes of Islam seriously Soren? The group most Muslims don't want anything to do with? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Well, how do hundreds of jihadis and their enablers get to go to the ME without their 'tight knit' communities noticing?

I think most Muslims (practicing, complete with silly beard and niqabi/hijabi wife/sister) actually support the idea of Hamas, Hezballah, Hiz ul Tahrir, El Nusra, ISIL, Taliban, Al Qaeda, [your Islamic group resisting Western influences here]. They think the police and other anti-terrorism forces in Western countries are a much bigger problem than their particular Islamic group "resisting Western influences".

It may well be that the biggest group of Muslims are the "Muslims" - people who don't take the Koran, Mohammed and the rest of it seriously. But they are "Muslims" in name onl;y, by accident, like the 'Catholics' in gay bath houses (Karnal pls fact check).

But I am not convinced that the Muslims in Western countries who advertise their religion do so for spiritual rather than political reasons. They are the ones who may not be quite as distant from the various [your Islamic group resisting Western influences here] as you and others try to make it out.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 8:18pm

Tell me, Soren, do you ever regret leaving Denmark? I mean, you must worry about how Denmark's culture has been subsumed under American popular culture. All those Austere Lutheran Prayer meetings, in the dead of Winter's night... ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 11:54pm

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 6:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:55pm:

In Australia or in Iraq FD? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Good point. I also find it quite hilarious when Aussie Muslims rape and kill people in the middle east. I'm surprised Karnal hasn't dropped a poo joke yet.

Can you rephrase that as a question?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:19am

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 6:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 12:55pm:

In Australia or in Iraq FD? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Good point. I also find it quite hilarious when Aussie Muslims rape and kill people in the middle east. I'm surprised Karnal hasn't dropped a poo joke yet.

Wait for Soren's contribution. Then I'm sure he'll surprise you FD! ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 6:47pm:

Well, how do hundreds of jihadis and their enablers get to go to the ME without their 'tight knit' communities noticing?

Perhaps they aren't as "tight knit" as you suppose Soren? Have you bothered to ask the Muslims how it happens or does your Islamophobia supply all the answers to your questions for you? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

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I think most Muslims (practicing, complete with silly beard and niqabi/hijabi wife/sister) actually support the idea of Hamas, Hezballah, Hiz ul Tahrir, El Nusra, ISIL, Taliban, Al Qaeda, [your Islamic group resisting Western influences here]. They think the police and other anti-terrorism forces in Western countries are a much bigger problem than their particular Islamic group "resisting Western influences".

You think, do you Soren? Or is it your Islamophobia which supplies the answers to your questions for you? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

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It may well be that the biggest group of Muslims are the "Muslims" - people who don't take the Koran, Mohammed and the rest of it seriously. But they are "Muslims" in name onl;y, by accident, like the 'Catholics' in gay bath houses (Karnal pls fact check).

You could be right Soren. Afterall, Brian says that the regular attendance at Mosque is only slight more than the attendance at Christian churches... ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

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But I am not convinced that the Muslims in Western countries who advertise their religion do so for spiritual rather than political reasons. They are the ones who may not be quite as distant from the various [your Islamic group resisting Western influences here] as you and others try to make it out.

I wonder how you feel about Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews Soren?

Afterall, they have long hair, beards, wear strange clothing and hats and hardly wash. Rather sets them apart from the rest of the society around them, don't you think? I wonder, do they do it because of religious or political reasons? ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They don't want YOU to convert to Judaism.

Unlike the Muslim bruvvers.

Do you see the difference?I bet you don't.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

Soren wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They don't want YOU to convert to Judaism.

Unlike the Muslim bruvvers.

Do you see the difference?I bet you don't.

Is it the length of the beards?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Whywhyhuh on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:33pm

It might be the garbage bags they make the women wear.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Aug 10^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

Soren wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They don't want YOU to convert to Judaism.

Unlike the Muslim bruvvers.

Do you see the difference?I bet you don't.

So, it's more than their dress and their mannerisms which offend you about Muslims Soren?

Really?

So, whats your opinion of the Christian Brotherhood? They dress conservatively, they dress their women conservatively, including scarves on their heads, they preach endlessly about their god and his messiah son and they convince others to join them... Surely you'd abhor them Soren? ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 10^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They don't want YOU to convert to Judaism.

Unlike the Muslim bruvvers.

Do you see the difference?I bet you don't.

You can walk down Pitt Street and never spot a devotee of the Christian Brotherhood.

They have the good sense and good manners to leave the public space well alone, neutral, non-denominational. The bearded, hijabi, niqabi numpties, on the other hand, are not that polite and considerate - they make claims on the public space for their religion. Rude and pushy as they are.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm

That’s strange, old chap. Every time I walk down Pitt Street I see shaven Hare Krishnas dancing and selling books.

Unlike the Muselman, they’re just trying to fit in.

They’re Krishna conscious, no?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 14^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 10^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They don't want YOU to convert to Judaism.

Unlike the Muslim bruvvers.

Do you see the difference?I bet you don't.

When was the last time you were preached at by a Muslim in Pitt Street, Soren?

Were you ever preached at by a Muslim in Pitt Street? ::)

I've been preached at by a Christian Brotherhood member in Blackwood, Adelaide. Horrendous experience. ::)

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Secret Wars on Aug 14^th, 2015 at 8:36pm

Horrendous? Do what most people do, say no thanks and keep walking. Hardly horrendous.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 14^th, 2015 at 8:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 10^th, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 8:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

They don't want YOU to convert to Judaism.

Unlike the Muslim bruvvers.

Do you see the difference?I bet you don't.

I’ve been preached at by a number of "the Family" cult members on George Street. Beards and sandals galore. They’re not there these days.

Pitt Street only has about four churches, so I see what the old boy means.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Don't blame Krishna, dear boy. Blame Islam.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Don't blame Krishna, dear boy. Blame Islam.

I'll blame Krishna for the atrocities by the Hare Krishnas and blame Mohammed and Allah for the atrocities by Mohammedans allahu akhbaring.

And yes, will blame Christ for any atrocities by Christians while reciting the Lord's Prayer.

Alas, you can't beat the allahu akhbaring demographic at the mindless bloodletting game. They have made it all their own.
Impeccably allahu akhbaring, of course. Tradition, customs, innit.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:35pm

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Don't blame Krishna, dear boy. Blame Islam.

I'll blame Krishna for the atrocities by the Hare Krishnas and blame Mohammed and Allah for the atrocities by Mohammedans allahu akhbaring.

Ah yes, but you also blame Muhammed for the atrocities of Armenian Christians and Ananda Margas, no?

Culture, innit.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:50pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Don't blame Krishna, dear boy. Blame Islam.

I'll blame Krishna for the atrocities by the Hare Krishnas and blame Mohammed and Allah for the atrocities by Mohammedans allahu akhbaring.

Ah yes, but you also blame Muhammed for the atrocities of Armenian Christians and Ananda Margas, no?

Culture, innit.

Thank you stupid, we have been through this. It's not my fault that you have difficulties with simple recall.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:52pm

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:35pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Don't blame Krishna, dear boy. Blame Islam.

I'll blame Krishna for the atrocities by the Hare Krishnas and blame Mohammed and Allah for the atrocities by Mohammedans allahu akhbaring.

Ah yes, but you also blame Muhammed for the atrocities of Armenian Christians and Ananda Margas, no?

Culture, innit.

Thank you stupid, we have been through this. It's not my fault that you have difficulties with simple recall.

Have we? You'll have to remind me, old chap. I'm afraid I have the memory of a sieve.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:55pm

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

1.04 "mocking our beards"

;D ;D ;D ;D

Look at them - mocking their beards is the least of it. They are almost as stupid and ludicrous as the spouters about third wave feminism.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Karnal on Aug 16^th, 2015 at 1:48am

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Or as mendacious as those with early-onset Altzheimers.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by Soren on Aug 16^th, 2015 at 11:22am

They are DANCIN'!!!!

How very dare they, bruvvers and sistas. DANCIN' and mocking our beards.

Title: Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Post by |dev|null on Aug 21^st, 2015 at 1:17pm

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 15^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Yeah, there are four of them.

But they don’t have beards.

That’s a relief, no?

No - but they look just as out of place as any of your bearded numpties and their hijabi/niqabi women.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sbkxq

Don't blame Krishna, dear boy. Blame Islam.

Yet you are silent whenever any other religion, other than Islam commits an atrocity Soren. Something I feel you're being rather insincere about your dislike of religion. When I see 10 to 1 posts about Islam, then I'll believe you. ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D