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Title: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Lisa Jones on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:30am

Morning Ms Cods :)

I certainly hope they don't replace him.

Why?

Shorten's the man who aptly represents what Labor truly stands for lol :P

Title: Re: abbott caught in women's undies
Post by Greens_Win on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am

The poor regressive posters ... don't have an original thought amongst them.

We should pity them all

Title: Re: abbott caught in women's undies
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am

____ wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

The poor regressive posters ... don't have an original thought amongst them.

We should pity them all

More to be pitied than despised ;)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am

That labrats are blind to their own misconduct. ..

As far as im concerned. .. Bishop should stand down and go to the back bench. ..

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds or other dodgy dealings... Bull Shitten for example. .. his behaviour has been deplorable. .. criminal in fact. ..

The bias of the labrats is unbelievable. .. I wouldn't want him as the leader to my party... no decent person would. .

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by John Smith on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:34am

cods thinks if she keeps shrieking the same thing over and over it will make it so ;D ;D

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Redneck on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am

Bill just made a good deal, nothing wrong with that in a free enterprise country.

Forgot to declare something nothing wrong with that even Abbott does it.

Trying to illegally claim travel expenses, thats bad remember what happened to poor old Peter Slipper. Who was the best speaker by far of the last half dozen.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

From a strategic perspective he is your only chance of an election win , if you called a DD asap that is , his numbers are shocking atm but with in 3 months he will be back in front of abort, not because bill is any chop more so that abort is that bad.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:55am

It reminds me of a line Tony said to Gillard , if only 60% of your cabinet support you, how can you claim to have the mandate to govern , about 18 months later with worse numbers , leadership spill. Everything a lefty can dream of has come full circle for tony and the jewel in the crown will be seeing you decimated at election for keeping him.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:08am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Morning Ms Cods :)

I certainly hope they don't replace him.

Why?

Shorten's the man who aptly represents what Labor truly stands for lol :P

I agree he makes everyone look good....

however I am over the double nay tripple standards from lefties on here..

turning a blind eye to everything a laborite does but the bare smell of the wrong thing from the right and out they come all wearing their righteous halos its hilarious...

gotta get my own back thats all.

I think they are stuck with him anyway thanks to krudd... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:11am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

did you see how much slipper spent on travel in his last couple of months... he went roun d the world...parliament was in recess so he wasnt on your business.probably looking through the gay qtrs...

btw it was 8 LOOOOOOOOONG YEARS of bad memory... and only jogged because of the Royal... ::) ::) hohum...

nothing happening here.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Dame Pansi on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:13am

Chris Bowen, he's not a suck hole like Shorty.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:39am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

To be fair Shorten is not beyond criticism and if he is found to have acted corruptly he should step down as leader....However you are correct about Bishop misusing taxpayer funds and without an adequate explanation her position is untenable....I am impressed you can see there is no use defending Bishop by deflecting and throwing up straw man arguments like others on this forum....Well done AP!!!

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Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:52am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds or other dodgy dealings... Bull Shitten for example. .. his behaviour has been deplorable. .. criminal in fact. ..

Nonsense.

Stop getting hysterical.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by gandalf on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:53am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:13am:

Chris Bowen, he's not a suck hole like Shorty.

Pretty much anyone would be better than Shorten.

The more I think about it, the more bizarre it seems. Here we had, after the 2013 election, a labor party desperate to put the disaster of the last 3 years behind them and start fresh. The labor brand at that time was thoroughly disgraced by the dirty dealings of the right wing factions. And then what do they do? Go and elect the man who was the very embodiment of the faceless men who had so thoroughly disgraced the labor brand. Whats even more bizarre is that they did this by very purposely maneuvering the caucus vote to veto the rank and file rejection of Shorten. As if it doesn't get any more bizarre - labor seemed so desperate to get Shorten in when they already knew Abbott was going to have the royal commission into union corruption - of which Shorten also was front and centre of.

Its frankly a disturbing image for those of us who are keen to see labor get a clean slate. What were they thinking? Does Shorten have something over the left faction to make them support him?

It will be an absolute travesty if labor can't manage to kick out the most incompetent PM in Australia's history because they are still held captive by the dirty and rotten NSW and Victorian right faction bosses. But its looking increasingly likely >:(

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:05am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Indeed. Well done Armpit

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Dnarever on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:23am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds

You do realise that this list includes Tony Abbott ?

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:28am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds

You do realise that this list includes Tony Abbott ?

not forgetting gillard and krudd who also repaid money...

how far back do you want to go dna????

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by double plus good on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:32am

Abbott could call an election at any time...Labor know they haven't the time to raise a profile of anyone else. This election will be about the performance of the Liberal Party against the reputation of the ALP.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Dnarever on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:32am

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds

You do realise that this list includes Tony Abbott ?

not forgetting gillard and krudd who also repaid money...

how far back do you want to go dna????

Rudd and Gillard can not resign again - Tony can.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Agreed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:37am

double plus good wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

If they want to win its best to strike when the iron is hot, write to your dopey local LNP member and tell him/her you're keen on an early election.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Karnal on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:43am

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

How does Armchair make sane posts like this?

It can’t be him.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

You're confusing me with Kat - unable to see past her own political bias no matter what the subject or issue. I may hate just about everything Labor currently stands for, but it doesn't mean I won't call out wrongdoings by the Liberals. Shorten deserves to go down for what he's done. I think Bishop needs to stand down too.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by double plus good on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:47am

Suppository, I know you're a barnacle, but are you defending the ALP or Shorten? Surely, it isn't Shorten!!!

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

I was thinking the same thing....I have no problem with AP attacking the ALP as long as he holds the Coalition to the same standards which in this case he has done with aplomb....Other posters from both sides of politics should take note of AP's integrity over this issue!!!

:) :) :)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:17pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

greed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

absolutely I said it since the beginning she is wrong was wrong.. but the way Labor has leapt on this is astounding

to watch Bowen pontificating in shortens place...because he knew shortarse couldnt step up and say we want a police investigation knowing full well only a few days before he had tried to cover up a $40.000 electoral donation.....one that SMACKS of conflict of interest.. if he should ever reach the dizzy height of PM..how much work would flow to Unibilt..very awkward

imagine if that was Abbott he would be gone in a flash...
a Lib Premier went for a bottle of wine froma lobbyist

Unibilt is a company that supplies Labour.. a bit like Therese Rudd one can only presume...

isnt that a giant conflict of interest???...

does anyone with an y reason understand why bronny took that helicopter....I am sure she is asking that very question herself....but how many mistakes has she made??... are any of them equal to Bills???????

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Dnarever on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

who will replace the labor leader

I would be willing to be it will be the next Labor leader, probably in about 5 to 7 years time.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

I have not given Bishop a high five over this... not once...

and how many lefties can you name with integrity where they have even scolded Bill for the 40 grand????>>.

I havent seen one..

they dismiss it as if it didnt happen.

did anyone else notice that shorten didnt make the news Bowen did it for him..... >:( >:( >:(

pathetic.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

who will replace the labor leader

I would be willing to be it will be the next Labor leader, probably in about 5 to 7 years time.

see what I mean phil... dna willl never condemn a lefty...

you think labor will only be in opposition for 7 years dna....

hilarious

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Resolute on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

who will replace the labor leader

I would be willing to be it will be the next Labor leader, probably in about 5 to 7 years time.

Take your pick, either is about the same level of intelligence as the present leader.......

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Corruption doesnt discriminate with a $ figure , be it a bottle of wine or 40k , they're public figures that take an oath to serve the electorate . Corruption is quite simply corruption , im for a federal ICAC but neither Lib or Labor are for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:28pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Well we havent seen Tony say a word about Bronwyn either :)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

bummer

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

I've said it before - Malcolm Turnbull belongs very firmly to the Left of the Liberal Party, and would make the perfect Labor Party leader.

God knows he's been trying to assassinate Abbott's credibility over every issue since the last election.

Even after side-lining Turnbull to the insultingly junior portfolio of 'Communications', this hasn't been enough to shut him up from trying to hobble Abbott at every opportunity.

Bringing back Bob Carr as Labor leader is another not-too-far-fetched alternative.

Personally I'd like to Mark Latham returned as leader if for no other reason than entertainment value. He's the "Conga-line of suck-holes" originator. He would be going at Abbott like a rabid dog in parliament. The public galleries would be standing-room-only with people enjoying their salted and buttered popcorn.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

bummer

Turnball could be Treasurer if he could only play as part of a team. He simply refuses to be part of a team and as such, is ineligible to lead one.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 1:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

bummer

Turnball could be Treasurer if he could only play as part of a team. He simply refuses to be part of a team and as such, is ineligible to lead one.

Malcolm Turnbull lost my sympathy when it became known that he never stopped button-holing and bullying poor little Brendan Nelson in the corridors, the toilets - ANYWHERE - during the time Brendan was Opposition leader. Drove him mad.

That sort of narcissistic 'me-me-me-ism' pisses me off in these elitist, born-to-rule, self-adoring wanqers.

Abbott's shoving him off into 'Communications' still hasn't stemmed the tide of unsolicited advice and opinion that flows so freely from his ever-smirking self.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm

cods, what is this Form you reckon Shorten signed ~ the one in which you reckon he covered up an inkind donation to the value of $40,000?

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Dame Pansi on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:35pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

cods, what is this Form you reckon Shorten signed ~ the one in which you reckon he covered up an inkind donation to the value of $40,000?

No one else picked that up. I thought maybe he did sign something, not that I know of though.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:46pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

cods, what is this Form you reckon Shorten signed ~ the one in which you reckon he covered up an inkind donation to the value of $40,000?

No one else picked that up. I thought maybe he did sign something, not that I know of though.

That was discussed here and widely at the time. A Labor Party underling completed and signed the document. It was then sent to the AEC as a matter of course. The underling omitted the donation. The omission was only discovered just before Shorten was due to appear before the Royal Commission and was rectified after Shorten's Lawyers established all the relevant facts.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Karnal on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by John Smith on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

Imposter ... where's the real armpit?

well done armpit ;)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by John Smith on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

cods, what is this Form you reckon Shorten signed ~ the one in which you reckon he covered up an inkind donation to the value of $40,000?

No one else picked that up. I thought maybe he did sign something, not that I know of though.

all very convenient....

and you claim to be a lawyer with a clever and insightful mind. yeah right.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

cods, what is this Form you reckon Shorten signed ~ the one in which you reckon he covered up an inkind donation to the value of $40,000?

No one else picked that up. I thought maybe he did sign something, not that I know of though.

all very convenient....

and you claim to be a lawyer with a clever and insightful mind. yeah right.

Call it 'convenient' ~ call it what you like. Doing so does not alter those facts. If you cannot demonstrate that my outline of the facts is incorrect, the 'convenience' is yours.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

cods, what is this Form you reckon Shorten signed ~ the one in which you reckon he covered up an inkind donation to the value of $40,000?

it is so interesting.. you guys actually believe that a staff member would sign off on ELECTORAL LEGAL DOCUMENTS after an election campaign....you really do....

and yet billy boil signed the document that went in 8 years later...why would he do that if he didnt sign the first one...

can you imagine the electoral office...accepting a declaration signed by some staff member.... ;D

this is declaring every donation and by whom and by how much..... ;D

do you not think our billy boil would be screaming from the rafters..

I didnt sign it I didnt see it it wasnt me it was

Lance Wilson... must have been him....who else was on my team???>...

you really make me laugh....you find something although its blank...that Bishop would have signed.. of course she did...ozzie said so.

yet you think something as important as an election.. they would,accept any old signature...claiming millions in donations as accurate... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

I mean every staff member would know how much and by whom wouldnt they

you would make one dodgy lawyer thats for sure...

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 5:55pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

hahahahahaha

he got a donation he didnt declare....end of subject..

someones wages were paid by unibuilt.. even billy doesnt deny that...

he even sent the news to the commission well after the deed.. he forgot.. OMG..

so why is it crap???...you mustnt have read the same things I have read.. your bill doesnt deny a thing...

so why are you?

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Well we havent seen Tony say a word about Bronwyn either :)

whats to say he picked up the phone and told her to repay it.. end of subject..

bowen was asking for a POLICE INVESTIGATION....not the man at the helm.... ::) ::)

I find that remarkable.... ;D ;D ;D.. not unsurprising though

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

No-one is denying anything, cods. I suppose it will only be after we get the Commission's Report that you will accept the relevant facts do not in any way support your garbage on this matter.

Fairbloodydinkum....trying to explain anything to you is like talking to a brick wall, a very thick brick wall.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

ditto..

you think you ARE RIGHT>. thats your problem...not mine.. I believe you are wrong and mostly are...

but your ego is so far up your rear end you cannot see it...

donations are a BIG PROBLEM...maybe you havent heard... what goes on.. have a read if your game..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_funding_in_Australia

of course we realise in your tiny brain that rules and laws only apply to the liberal party..what clive and labs do is no ones business.... I get it.

so he can get anyone to sign off on electoral ducuments...all of which involve HONESTY...hahahaha
and thats ok with you....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

No-one is denying anything, cods.

I guess this isnt denial then.. ::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

bills admitted it.... but dont let that get in the way of facts..

hummm make that others interpretation of facts.. not just yours..

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:36pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

Returns to the AEC for Party endorsed candidates are made by the Relevant Party, cods. Even Abbott's.

Learn the facts cods, which you will not achieve by reading that Wiki link.

I'm over you. People try in good faith to deal with you on a bona fide basis, but you make it just impossible. If I said that Shorten reckoned today was Saturday, you'd rabbit on about Thomson and brothels.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

No-one is denying anything, cods.

I guess this isnt denial then.. ::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

bills admitted it.... but dont let that get in the way of facts..

hummm make that others interpretation of facts.. not just yours..

He did not get $40,000.00 cods. Bugger you. I've had it.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

Cods have you ever considered a breathalyser attached to your keyboard ;)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

No-one is denying anything, cods.

I guess this isnt denial then.. ::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

bills admitted it.... but dont let that get in the way of facts..

hummm make that others interpretation of facts.. not just yours..

He did not get $40,000.00 cods. Bugger you. I've had it.

no not so he GOT A DONATION>>> HE RECEIVED OVER A MILLION IN DONATIONS in 2007..
'
just because he didnt receive it in his own bank account doesnt mean he isnt responsiblke.. the COMPANY UNIBILT PAID A MEMBER OF HIS STAFFS SALARY TO THE TUNE OF $40.000 ... THIS WAS CLASSED AS A DONATION.........WHICH BILL DID NOT DECLARE....

NOW WE HAVE BOTH HAD IT...

read the link will you .....helppppppppppppppp

why would billy boy claim it was a DONATION 8 years later if it wasnt a DONATION>...

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

some mothers do ave em.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Cods have you ever considered a breathalyser attached to your keyboard ;)

pizzzzzz off.. if it wasnt for the ignorant left on here..

oh gawd why bother..

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

It is good you're trying to keep the focus on the RC though cods, this Bishop saga has really taken the shine off it hasnt it :), dont think i saw a single news report about RC all day and most of the righties on here have been to busy leaping to her defence , some remarkabley have been calling for her head as well, nice little distractor , thanks bronny :)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Karnal on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Cods have you ever considered a breathalyser attached to your keyboard ;)

pizzzzzz off.. if it wasnt for the ignorant left on here..

oh gawd why bother..

Language, dear. I'll have you know there are ladies present.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

I apologise for blowing you up... as per usual that other lefty makes me so angry...anyway I am sure you will et your wish and Bronny will go...

just in case you missed the title of the thread..

its about the labor leader... remember him????????????..

bishop will be sorry to see her time end like this ... as we all kn ow mud sticks...but she deserves it.. she did the wrong thing.. why on earth she would think that was ok I will never know..

but this thread is not about bronny... and no it hasnt taken the shine of shortarse.. it has in fact emphasised what he has done even more so...

if people are going to agitate about $5000......and rightly so... then I am sure they will want far more from a PM.. than anything Mr shortarse has to offer them...

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Cods have you ever considered a breathalyser attached to your keyboard ;)

pizzzzzz off.. if it wasnt for the ignorant left on here..

oh gawd why bother..

Language, dear. I'll have you know there are ladies present.

have to admit I did forget about you sweetiepie .. I am sure you can close your eyes from time to time..save your blushes

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:33pm

Quote:

it has in fact emphasised what he has done even more so...

In 'dot point' format, list what he has done......with proof in each case.

Thank you in anticipation.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:40pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-09/karp-five-key-moments-with-bill-shorten-at-the-royal-commission/6608252

where theres smoke theres fire..

thomo told us a whole heap of lies that some chose to believe for years....

... right up until he admitted he lied...

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by John Smith on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:33pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

yes, someone donated their time ... it wasn't theft, there was no attempt to screw taxpayers. Stay off the plonk old girl, you're going to hurt your brain trying to think about it to hard

and it wasn't up to him to declare anything, he wasn't an MP at the time. .. it was the ALP who had to declare it you dopey twat.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by John Smith on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:35pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

blow it out your arse Cods, Bill didn't get any $40k and he didn't misrepresent anything. It's been explained ot you several times but you just ignore it and repeat the same crap over and over.

bills admitted it.... but dont let that get in the way of facts..

hummm make that others interpretation of facts.. not just yours..

that somone donated someone else's time? that was never in dispute. .. that doesn't mean he stole $40 000 you daft twit

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by John Smith on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:35pm

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Cods have you ever considered a breathalyser attached to your keyboard ;)

if she attached it to her bedside she'd never get out of bed

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:31am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

REALLY

have a read Mr Know all.,... then tell everyone... one did Billy boy admitted it.... and admit he signed the original.. without that small detail...you claim he didnt have to admit too..

you may like to apologise for the insults....after you have eaten humble pie.. >:( >:( >:(

Bill Shorten gives evidence to the royal commission into union corruption

Labor leader Bill Shorten admits he only declared a $40,000 donation to his 2007 Federal election campaign DAYS before his royal commission appearance

Federal Labor leader Bill Shorten failed to declare a company's donation to his 2007 election campaign until this month.
Mr Shorten, the former Australian Workers Union Victorian and national secretary, fronted the unions royal commission in Sydney on Wednesday.
After arriving more than two hours early and swearing an oath on the Bible, Mr Shorten faced a series of questions from senior counsel Jeremy Stoljar about the staff involved in the 2007 campaign which propelled him into federal office.

In late 2006 or early 2007, Mr Shorten met with labour hire company Unibilt boss Ted Lockyer and the-then AWU national secretary asked whether the company could provide a research officer, Lance Wilson, the commission heard.
Mr Wilson was put on the books of Unibilt as a 'research officer', but Mr Shorten told the commission he actually acted as his 'campaign director' in his run for the Labor-held seat of Maribyrnong.
Mr Stoljar told the commission the total amount paid by Unibilt came to $40,000, with a further $12,000 written off by the AWU. It was a $50,000 plus job.
Asked whether he declared the donation to the Australian Electoral Commission, Mr Shorten said: 'It has come to my attention that the declaration hasn't been made until very recently.'
Asked how recently, he said: 'In the last few days.'
Mr Shorten said he had signed an official declaration in early 2008 that did not mention the donation. '

hey aussie did you read this bit?

What I did once I saw all the royal commission papers, I went back and I have sought legal advice, worked out what needed to be done and I have now completed that,' he said.
Not declaring an election donation is a criminal offence carrying a maximum 12-month sentence.
Mr Stoljar continued to quiz Mr Shorten on whether the company - which was negotiating an enterprise bargaining agreement (EBA) with the AWU - had used the donation of the staff member to seek favour.
'Not to my knowledge at all,' Mr Shorten said, denying he was involved in the EBA negotiations.
'Isn't that a situation in which you're using your position as national secretary to gain an advantage for yourself, namely a full-time campaign worker?' Mr Stoljar asked.
'Absolutely not,' Mr Shorten replied.
Mr Shorten was adamant no link existed between the EBA negotiations and the donation he had received, saying that 'the idea that somehow having a discussion with an employer on two different topics - even if not at the same time - and somehow that it is untoward to raise money for election campaigns and do anything else - to me what that does is that assumes that whenever there is a donation in our electoral system, by anyone, that all other relationships and transactions must immediately be cast into doubt. That is not right.'

hey lefties ITS A CRIME NOT TO DECLARE......12 MONTHS IN JAIL.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

didnt hear you mention that little detail mr ozzie..

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Lisa Jones on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:34am

Aussie wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Quote:

it has in fact emphasised what he has done even more so...

In 'dot point' format, list what he has done......with proof in each case.

Thank you in anticipation.

You really are a nong Aussie. As if ANYONE here is going to bother responding to your ridiculous request ::)

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:38am

Cods if he is found guilty by the RC then he will be rightfully relegated to the political wasteland. Patience , these processes take time and if its meant to be then so be it.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:47am

Its time wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Cods if he is found guilty by the RC then he will be rightfully relegated to the political wasteland. Patience , these processes take time and if its meant to be then so be it.

do they find people guilty or not guilty at a royal????.....

he does have to appear again so I read..

I dopnt care to me mud sticks....I am just telling all thos who claim they no everything and do their best to ridicule me into the bargain..

is it ok if I do that?????..

or should I just be a target for all those who claim they KNOW EVERYTHING......I am going on what shortarse has said himself...... they are going on what they THINK is what happened... ::) ::) ::) ::)

why do you only tell me these small facts..?? what about your leftie mates

if they didnt assume to woefully know everything I wouldnt bother defending myself...I prefer to deal with people who debate the topic and not the messenger...with their usual insults.

but for some folks thats all they come on here for., >:( >:(

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Redneck on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:56am

Poor old codsy, sounds like she is off the medication again.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:59am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Poor old codsy, sounds like she is off the medication again.

spiteful and low... >:(

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by philperth2010 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:36am

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

I have not given Bishop a high five over this... not once...

and how many lefties can you name with integrity where they have even scolded Bill for the 40 grand????>>.

I haven't seen one..

they dismiss it as if it didn't happen.

did anyone else notice that shorten didn't make the news Bowen did it for him..... >:( >:( >:(

pathetic.

Why are you so defensive Cods, who said I was talking about you???

reply # 13 philperth2010 wrote....

Quote:

To be fair Shorten is not beyond criticism and if he is found to have acted corruptly he should step down as leader

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Phemanderac on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:00am

It is entirely irrelevant who leads the opposition, they are not in Government. I know, that level of subtle difference will escape a few (demonstrably so).

What is far more concerning is the potentially fraudelent use of tax payer money to the tune of almost $100,000.00 by Mrs Bronwyn Bishop, the allegedly impartial speaker of the house who also, apparently, represents the Liberal Government (impartially of course...).

This $5000 is just a smoke screen, so is paying it back.

If she did not do the wrong thing, why would there be any need to reimburse treasury?

Please don't forget the (almost) $90,000.00 Mrs Bishops spent on her job interview in Europe. We also paid for that little failed venture. It would be bad enough if she had secured the job, but, even worse, she wasn't up to achieving a successful outcome in the job interview.

So, in short, who gives a toss about the leader of the opposition when the speaker of the house is throwing the entire parliament into disrepute and this is compounded when the Prime Minister says she has his full support.

The stand out here is that Gillian Triggs has lost the faith of the Government because of her honesty and integrity, Bronwyn Bishop has the faith of the Government because of her honesty and integrity. The ironcy, Ms Triggs' honesty and integrity is measured in positive numbers, Mrs Bishop's are measured in negative numbers.

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Redneck on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:59am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Poor old codsy, sounds like she is off the medication again.

spiteful and low... >:(

Well you have been carrying on like a pork chop about a late declaration, which has happened before by both sides of politics.

Seems Bronwyn has got you all fired up trying to divert attention away from her.

Also do you honestly believe that this is the first time a party benefactor has paid for staff to assist their party in some way or other that is on both sides of politics

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:35pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

cods wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:59am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Poor old codsy, sounds like she is off the medication again.

spiteful and low... >:(

no dear concentrate now... I am not carrying on about a late declaration at all...

your mates claim shorten did not accept a undeclared donation...... they claim he is innocent..

and no matter how often i point out

HE shortarse agrees with me.. they wont have it....

they want me to say they are right and I am wrong....

and I am not....of course you will stick up for them.. isnt that what all good lefties do. >:( >:(

like flies on a dogs poo out they all come..

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.. sic em...

left is right and right is wrong..isnt that your mantra..lol

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Why are you so defensive Cods, who said I was talking about you???

reply # 13 philperth2010 wrote....

Quote:

To be fair Shorten is not beyond criticism and if he is found to have acted corruptly he should step down as leader

:-? :-? :-?

well lets put it this way.. i get critisised morning noon and night so I thought I would stick up for myself for once.. I know grumble grumble...

but thats all I do sometimes defend myself... I am always wrong according to lefties...

I am yet to see a leftie claim I am not...even when I said Bronny pay it back I was accused of protecting her..

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

Quote:

your mates claim shorten did not accept a undeclared donation......

More sheer crap! Everyone knows that Shorten accepted the free labour paid for by a corporate. Everyone at the time knew. Why do you make this garbage up all the time?

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by cods on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Quote:

your mates claim shorten did not accept a undeclared donation......

More sheer crap! Everyone knows that Shorten accepted the free labour paid for by a corporate. Everyone at the time knew. Why do you make this garbage up all the time?

there you go.. more personal abuse......funny how shorten admits he didnt claim the $40.000 wages as a donation until two days before his appearance....why would he do that.. if as you claim it wasnt a donation?????????

the paid campaign managers job... was organised by shortarse for Unibilt to pay almost 12 months before the election... Unibilt paid $40.000 and the AWU paid $12.000

[url][http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/labor-leader-bill-shorten-failed-to-disclose-election-donation-from-builder-20150708-gi7e1n/url]

Title: Re: who will replace the labor leader
Post by Aussie on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:21pm

cods wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Quote:

your mates claim shorten did not accept a undeclared donation......

More sheer crap! Everyone knows that Shorten accepted the free labour paid for by a corporate. Everyone at the time knew. Why do you make this garbage up all the time?

No. That is not abuse of you personally. If I posted, 'cods you are a retard,' that would (in my mind) be a breach of the Rules, but I have not. I am attacking what you posted, not you. What you posted was sheer garbage.