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Title: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:19am

es?

In Melbourne the riot police have had to control The Usual Suspects (Socialist Alliance, Australian Communists, university brats, etc) after becoming 'physical' with a group who were demonstrating against Islamic values taking root in Australia.

The screams of "RACISTS!" just didn't make sense - and the pinko journalists (aren't they all?) didn't challenge the absurdity of this ignorant description of the demonstrators.

Nobody was protesting against 'People of Middle Eastern Appearance' ~ it was only a protest against an imported culture that has radically different views on a whole raft of social issues from democracy to homosexuality, female genital mutilation to women's subordinate status to the men, the creation of an Islamic caliphate to the wearing of ones religion on ones sleeve, so to speak.

link

The idiots of the media have consistently referred to these violent thugs as 'anti-racist protesters' when in fact the demonstrators have nothing to do with maligning people upon grounds of race.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:22am

This will cheer you up, Herbie.

Link

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am

So, gregg - answer me this question:

Are the demonstrators being 'Racist' when they protest against the Islam-inspired social values taking root in Australia through the migrant influx of Muslims?

Would it be 'Racist' for a group to hit the streets in protest of some of the animal-cruelty practices of the Chinese and other national groups?

Was Green Peace 'Racist' for protesting against the Japanese whaling industry?

Or are all these examples culture-based and not race-based?

And if so, why is no-one in the media pointing this out ... but instead, are letting this false accusation of 'racism' remain unchallenged as though it is the correct definition of the demonstrators?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:29am

Even accounting for them being an extremist fringe of bigots - I was frankly expecting a far higher turn-out.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:33am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Even accounting for them being an extremist fringe of bigots - I was frankly expecting a far higher turn-out.

'Bigots' - here we go again with the facile labels.

Would you say their demonstration was 'Racist' or cultural?

THAT is the question.

No taqiyyah now, please.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Would you say their demonstration was 'Racist' or cultural?

yes - cultural and racist.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39am

Herbert, there were neo-nazis attending the rallies.

I think it's pretty safe to call nazis racist. I think they wouldn't disagree with their protesters either

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:41am

Take your time now, gandalf - I know it must be a struggle to decide which way to go ... The honest way, and seem like an apologist for your 'bigots' - or the Islamic Way - and defend these violent uni brats for trying to shout-down the demonstrators democratic right to express their opinion in a public place.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:42am

They did the protest during the end of Muslim Ramadan expecting nobody to attend but the anti protestors still got way outnumbered.

Lmao.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:42am

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

I think it's pretty safe to call nazis racist.

I doubt Herb would call anything racist.

Which is a bit strange, my experience with his type is that they are usually only too happy to admit their racism. They wear it as a badge of honour.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:43am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

reply #5 Herb.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

shout-down the demonstrators democratic right to express their opinion in a public place.

So you support one groups right to demonstration and free speech but no t'other?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am

'shouting down' is violence apparently.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:48am

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Herbert, there were neo-nazis attending the rallies.

I think it's pretty safe to call nazis racist. I think they wouldn't disagree with their protesters either

You'll never make a Defence Lawyer in a court of law, Stratos.

This crowd may be racist arseholes to the ninth degree - but nothing they are demonstrating about is based on race.

In which case, it begs the question ... what could an opposing bunch of protesters be protesting about if not objecting to these demonstrators exercising their democratic rights - or ... that they would be protesting in support of Islamic values such as female genital mutilation ... homosexuality being a criminal offence ... democracy being an insult to theocratic rule, Sharia Law trumping secular law, etc etc.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:49am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

es?

The screams of "RACISTS!" just didn't make sense - and the pinko journalists (aren't they all?) didn't challenge the absurdity of this ignorant description of the demonstrators.

Nobody was protesting against 'People of Middle Eastern Appearance' ~ it was only a protest against an imported culture that has radically different views on a whole raft of social issues from democracy to homosexuality, female genital mutilation to women's subordinate status to the men, the creation of an Islamic caliphate to the wearing of ones religion on ones sleeve, so to speak.

The lefties are not the brightest Herb.

Quote:

Coalition against racism and fascism spokewoman Vashit Kenway said anto racism groups had felt compelled to send a message that racist views were unacceptable.

The clear message is that Melbournians aren't going to stand for the far right racist,sexist,homophobic attitudes.
skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/07/19/-ugly-scenes--at-melbourne-protests.html

I suppose it didn't occur to these leftists the Islamic ideology they support is racist,homophobic and sexist 8-)

Vashit Kenway is a jew hating USA hating commie socialist,just your typical leftist.
redflag.org.au/author/vashti-kenway

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:52am

Hi Baron - can you please show me where the leftist demonstrators expressed their support for Islamic ideology? Thanks.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

'shouting down' is violence apparently.

Tell that to the Riot Squad.

They used up about $1000 worth of pepper spray trying to 'pacify' these virtuous goody-two-shoes 'anti-racist' wanqers.

I'll ask it again:

Were the demonstrators guilty of racism?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Sorry, I didn't mean to shout. 8-)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:54am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

This crowd may be racist arseholes to the ninth degree - but nothing they are demonstrating about is based on race.

You are wrong, or have not looked closely at the protests.

If you carry around a 1488 sign, you are demonstrating based on race.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:55am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

'shouting down' is violence apparently.

Already answered - see reply #5.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

This crowd may be racist arseholes to the ninth degree - but nothing they are demonstrating about is based on race.

You are wrong, or have not looked closely at the protests.

If you carry around a 1488 sign, you are demonstrating based on race.

You still don't get it.

I'll ask again:

Were the demostrators guilty of racist slurs against those of the Islamic faith?

A simple 'Yes' or 'No' will suffice.

I'm giving gandalf more time than you to think about this because it catches him in a conflict of interest situation.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:02am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

Already answered - see reply #5.

Ah - okay.

So you've opted for the old Two-Way bet to ensure a 'win'.

Just for my intellectual enlightenment and moral edification would you please be so kind as to quote a racial reference from these people during their demonstration.

I don't want to know if they have been racist before and after this demonstration -- only in what way they were racist during this demonstration.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by BigOl64 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

Already answered - see reply #5.

There's a protest today in Syd,go piss off there and tell us.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Quote:

Just for my intellectual enlightenment and moral edification would you please be so kind as to quote a racial reference from these people during their demonstration.

I don't want to know if they have been racist before and after this demonstration -- only in what way they were racist during this demonstration.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:07am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

Hi Baron - can you please show me where the leftist demonstrators expressed their support for Islamic ideology? Thanks.

Did they have a whinge about Islamophobia Gandalf, is that supporting Islamic ideology?

They supported the very thing they whinged about, the racist homophobic and sexist ideology called Islam.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:08am

What do you think Herb - "stop non-white immigration" - racist?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:09am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:07am:

Did they have a whinge about Islamophobia Gandalf, is that supporting Islamic ideology?

No.

Again, do you have any evidence of them supporting Islamic ideology?

What do you think about the sign "stop non-white immigration" Baron - racist or not?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

What do you think Herb - "stop non-white immigration" - racist?

Lots of non white people support Reclaim Australia-

Quote:

John Safran
Don't mean to be awkward everybody out but heaps of non white people rallying in support of reclaim Australia.
www.facebook.com/johnsafran/photos/a.683045978390051.1073741826.107516902609631/1105348339493144

Of course the media will ignore non white people who support reclaim Australia

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:15am

Its a simple question Baron - is it racist - yes or no?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:28am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:15am:

Its a simple question Baron - is it racist - yes or no?

It's not racist to criticise Islam Gandalf.

Muslims are not a race of people,muslims come from all races, there are sahih ahadith that say $Profit Mo was a horny obese white dwarf.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Quote:

One man letting loose with a home-made placard does NOT define a whole crowd of demonstrators.

On the other hand, a whole pack of protesters marching down a Sydney street while holding aloft a bulk-order of printed signs saying 'BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET!' - does define the collective mood.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:38am

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D

Good one.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:39am

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

Already answered - see reply #5.

There's a protest today in Syd,go piss off there and tell us.

What? And get beaten up by racists because of my wog skin? You must be joking. :P

***

Here's how the Sydney rally is being described by the media ...

"Police and protesters are out in force as more anti-racist and anti-Islamist rallies get underway nationwide, after violence erupted at protests in Melbourne yesterday.

Notice: " ... anti-Islamist ... " Where's the 'racism' in this?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:45am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

It's not racist to criticise Islam Gandalf.

You're joking aren't you?

Now pay attention to the actual question this time:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

What do you think about the sign "stop non-white immigration" Baron - racist or not?

Answer carefully Baron - lest you make yourself a question-evading laughing stock.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

One man letting loose with a home-made placard does NOT define a whole crowd of demonstrators.

But that is what you asked for :-/

Quote:

Just for my intellectual enlightenment and moral edification would you please be so kind as to quote a racial reference from these people during their demonstration.

Stop moving goalposts.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

One man letting loose with a home-made placard does NOT define a whole crowd of demonstrators.

But that is what you asked for :-/

;D ;D ;D

Now don't be difficult. One swallow doesn't make a summer. One lonely guy with a badly-written placard does NOT define the CROWD he had attached himself to.

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Stop moving goalposts

.

Then stop bending them like Beckham. :P

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

You asked for an example, you got one. Now suddenly that isn't good enough?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

One man letting loose with a home-made placard does NOT define a whole crowd of demonstrators.

;D ;D nice attempt at goal-shifting Herb. Still at least you provided a straighter answer than poor Baron.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

On the other hand, a whole pack of protesters marching down a Sydney street while holding aloft a bulk-order of printed signs saying 'BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET!' - does define the collective mood.

Yes it did - that protest should be condemned, as it was - by just about everyone. Who actually defended this protest Herb? Why are you bringing it up?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

One man letting loose with a home-made placard does NOT define a whole crowd of demonstrators.

;D ;D nice attempt at goal-shifting Herb. Still at least you provided a straighter answer than poor Baron.

Now hold it right there, Bucko!

Does this sound like a rally based upon racial difference or a protest against an introduced cultural ethic that these people do not want to see take root in Australia?

Take your time. I know these sort of questions place you in a somewhat invidious position as a Mohammedan.

Quote:

"Reclaim Australia called supporters to gather for what organisers have described as "a public response to the shock of recent atrocities of Islam's radicals both inside and outside of Australia".

Deborah Weisz from Mascot, who attended the Reclaim Australia rally in Sydney, said she was a "patriot".

"I believe that we are under threat from possibly sharia law coming in or Muslims getting their demands met," she said.

"I want to show my support for Australia being a more unified place. So it's for solidarity, for patriotism."

I can guarantee you that that lonesome homeless guy with the placard was exactly what the Reclaim Australia organisers did not want to see joining their ranks. Counter-productive from a PR perspective.

No doubt he was soon given some grog money and hustled away from the media cameras.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

You asked for an example, you got one. Now suddenly that isn't good enough?

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Sheesh. Some people.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:17pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Is this what you do when you lose arguments?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:36pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Is this what you do when you lose arguments?

It's exactly what he does.

He lost this one in spectacular fashion too.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Lord Herbert on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Is this what you do when you lose arguments?

Ah! News Flash ... That lonesome racist homeless bum has been forcibly removed from the rally.

Quote:

"Hundreds of police surrounded the two rallies, escorting away one Reclaim Australia protester who tried to break the police line.

You can relax now, Stratos. This anomaly has been taken care of.

Enjoy the rest of your day. :)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

Enjoy yours, Herbie.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

Herb, you go to the protest?

Or cant you afford the train ticket to martin place?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm

The leftards didn't have the guts to turn up when the Muslims put on their "beheading" demonstration.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

The leftards didn't have the guts to turn up when the Muslims put on their "beheading" demonstration.

You cant behead anybody when there hiding their identity wearing a aussie flag as a burqa

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:14pm

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

The leftards didn't have the guts to turn up when the Muslims put on their "beheading" demonstration.

You cant behead anybody when there hiding their identity wearing a aussie flag as a burqa

You didn't answer the question.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

What I find interesting is how the Reclaim Australia mob invariably turn out such a small crowd whereas the anti-Proclaim Australia mob outnumber them at least 10 to 1. While I believe Proclaim Australia should be allowed to make as big a bunch of fools of themselves as they can, with their rather pitiful turnouts, I abhor the violence of the anti-Proclaim Australia mob. They would be ten times more effective if they turned up and turned their backs on the Proclaim Australia mob and remained silent IMHO. ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

If you really did find it "interesting" one would assume you'd think more deeply about it.

I'd you went back 50 or 100 years, you'd have found that every suffragette, every black civil rights, or homosexual rights protester was similarly outnumbered. Does this mean they were "wrong"?

The numbers is a reflection of who holds the status quo, not of how "correct" an idea is.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

... wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Partially correct, Honky. The reality is that often the majority holds the status quo because they are the majority. In the case of the Reclaim Australia mob, all they have done is latch onto the latest issue because it suits their outlook on life - they hate Immigrants, they hate Multiculturalism, they hate women/gays/children/etc and now they've added that they hate Muslims. Their views though, are the tiny minority. That the anti-Reclaim mob can put 10 times the number onto the street at relatively short notice suggests what about the position of the Reclaim mob's views?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

That the anti-Reclaim mob can put 10 times the number onto the street at relatively short notice suggests what about the position of the Reclaim mob's views?

That the anti-protest protestors represent powerful interests who fear losing power to a popular uprising, prompting them to try and crush it in its infancy, and/or that they are useful idiots with nothing else to do.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:54pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

One man letting loose with a home-made placard does NOT define a whole crowd of demonstrators.

;D ;D nice attempt at goal-shifting Herb. Still at least you provided a straighter answer than poor Baron.

You are right Herb, I don't really think the majority of the reclaim mob are out and out racists, and there is a strong concern related to culture, as you say.

But there unquestionably *ARE* some out and out racists there. So forgive me if I will revel in some schadenfreude as the anti-Islam mob take a dose of their own medicine. Of course you lot would never dream of characterising an overwhelmingly peaceful muslim protest by the antics of a tiny minority of extremists now would you? :D

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:48pm

... wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

That the anti-Reclaim mob can put 10 times the number onto the street at relatively short notice suggests what about the position of the Reclaim mob's views?

If you believe that, Weslely, I have a nice, shiny bridge to sell you. Would you care to inspect it? ::) ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:52pm

Double plus good and herbert at todays rally.

Rallying against the muslims burqa but wearing a burqa.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Rallying against the muslims burqa but wearing a burqa.

;D That is quite funny actually.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

The Ned Kelly mask also has remarkable similarities to a Niqab.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

The Ned Kelly mask also has remarkable similarities to a Niqab.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:35pm

Yadda at the rally holding the cross

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by wally1 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Police congratulate reclaim australia members.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:48pm

abuse removed

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:01pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

You are a racist knob.

Unfortunately, that's one of Herbie's good points.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:03pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Is this what you do when you lose arguments?

herb hasnt lost the argument, he has won it, spectacularly.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:05pm

abuse removed

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

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But there unquestionably *ARE* some out and out racists there. So forgive me if I will revel in some schadenfreude as the anti-Islam mob take a dose of their own medicine. Of course you lot would never dream of characterising an overwhelmingly peaceful muslim protest by the antics of a tiny minority of extremists now would you? :D

Islamic culture isnt practised by a small number of Muslims, its practised by most Muslims. This protest wasnt about the relatively small number of Islamic terrorists but about Islamic culture itself which these people have recognised is abhorrent and anathema to Western values. Nice attempt to move the goalposts though.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:09pm

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Double plus good and herbert at todays rally.

Rallying against the muslims burqa but wearing a burqa.

More likely to be "anti facists" or similar looneys, these people are always scared of being recognised.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Is this what you do when you lose arguments?

herb hasnt lost the argument, he has won it, spectacularly.

He lost it from the OP.

Trust you to back a racist loser.

yours and others inability or fear of answering his questions gave him victory.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:14pm

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Are you still here? Don't you have anything better to do?

Is this what you do when you lose arguments?

herb hasnt lost the argument, he has won it, spectacularly.

He lost it from the OP.

Trust you to back a racist loser.

yours and others inability or fear of answering his questions gave him victory.

Herbie has never had a victory.

He is a troll - pure and simple.

He is moderately intelligent, however, his irrational bigotry and racism makes him look like an absolute fool.

The fact that you worship him, is no great surprise.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm

enjoy your victory Herb, you showed these people for the intellectual cowards they are.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by issuevoter on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:17pm

No one reports Muslim atrocities against Europeans as racism; vicious racial and cultural vendettas, but the moment anyone criticizes Islam they are immediately branded racist. Don't bother about it. Just don't sit on the fence. Get ready. It is going to get worse.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:20pm

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

enjoy your victory Herb, you showed these people for the intellectual cowards they are.

This is Herbie's one and only "victory:"

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/congratulations-bindi-irwin-youve-proved-them-all-wrong/story-fni0d7e5-1227446054433

At least now when he masturbates to Bindi's pic, she's at a respectable age.

Trust you to support someone like Herbie.

No surprises, though.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

enjoy your victory Herb, you showed these people for the intellectual cowards they are.

hmmm, where do you work again Mr internet tough guy? Remember posting your occupation and work address? I do. i take personal attacks and slander very seriously. So keep it up, I have a day off tomorrow. Mechanic was lucky, hes not in the same state as me, i live 7 ks from your work address.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:28pm

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

enjoy your victory Herb, you showed these people for the intellectual cowards they are.

I look forward to meeting you.

See you tomorrow, bitch.

EDIT: save your energy - don't jerk off to Bindi before we meet.

You can do that when you get out of hospital.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

enjoy your victory Herb, you showed these people for the intellectual cowards they are.

I look forward to meeting you.

See you tomorrow, bitch.

ok.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:32pm

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

enjoy your victory Herb, you showed these people for the intellectual cowards they are.

I look forward to meeting you.

See you tomorrow, bitch.

ok.

I'll be in a grey suit.

You?

Just so I can recognise you.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:37pm

You wont see me. but thanks for the info.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

You wont see me. but thanks for the info.

I never expected to see you.

I can spot a coward from a hundred metres.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

You wont see me. but thanks for the info.

Now, that could mean either Rhino won't be turning up, he'll be getting someone else to hurt you, Greg or he's going for a King Hit... ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:

You wont see me. but thanks for the info.

Now, that could mean either Rhino won't be turning up, he'll be getting someone else to hurt you, Greg or he's going for a King Hit... ::)

Either way, he's a coward.

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

... he'll be getting someone else to hurt you ...

... for having a different opinion.

Serious stuff.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by greggerypeccary on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:55pm

Rhino went very quiet all of a sudden.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Rhino on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:03pm

I make no threats. But no one who knows me would ever have the courage to state such things to me face to face. The poster known here as gregarrypeccary will eventually come to understand this and will be repentant of his actions here. I state again , I make no threats.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:36am

rhino wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:03pm:

No, of course you don't, Rhino. Of course you don't. I wonder though, if you'll answer a small question? How are you going to make Greg understand "this", what ever it is your implying, if you're making "no threats" towards him? Unless they are promises? ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by UnSubRocky on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Rhino went very quiet all of a sudden.

There's like a 9 minute interval between your post, and your previous post. Hardly an example of someone going quiet.

Let me guess: You happen to be one of those people that text someone, and if they don't reply within 5 minutes, you think they hate you.

How does the "rules for men" go? If you fall asleep texting your girlfriend, but the time you wake up, she has broken up and made up with you 3 times, called you some kind of nasty name several times, and has threatened to come around to your place to see with whom you are having an affair.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Dnarever on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:06am

How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu

In theory it isn't but did you see the wankers interviewed protesting everything from the Chinese, multicultural, Asians, the middle east to anything at all most of which was substantially racially motivated.

So in theory no but in practice the demonstration was very much racially driven.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:36am

It was pretty funny watching the Sri Lankan priest speaking on behalf of the reclaim mob - amongst people holding placards demanding an end to non-white immigration.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:17am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

It was pretty funny watching the Sri Lankan priest speaking on behalf of the reclaim mob - amongst people holding placards demanding an end to non-white immigration.

Not as bad as beheading signs.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:11am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

It was pretty funny watching the Sri Lankan priest speaking on behalf of the reclaim mob - amongst people holding placards demanding an end to non-white immigration.

He stuck it to the crowd, that’s for sure. A masterstroke on the part of the knuckleheads to put him up.

He’s served his purpose. After we get rid of the Muselman, country-shoppers like him will be the first to go, followed closely by their apologists.

That’s the plan. Right, Homo?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:24am

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

It was pretty funny watching the Sri Lankan priest speaking on behalf of the reclaim mob - amongst people holding placards demanding an end to non-white immigration.

Not as bad as beheading signs.

His sign had "1488" written on it. Not sure if that compares favourably to a call for beheading to be honest. Both extremely repulsive.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by The Outrage Bus on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:31am

Apparently Sydneys march had Roman Centurions in tow. Not sure what they have to do with Australia, but hey.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

I posted a photo of one. There are quite a few photos of people with Nazi tattoos floating around from the rallies too.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:36pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

Gee, that's a long-winded assertion, FD, but do you know? I tend to agree with it.

I think the Sri Lankan priest spoke well. I thought he had a good argument. And who better to make Reclaim Australia's argument than the tinted races themselves?

It's hardly taqiyya, just good strategy. But one look at those placards shows us all too well. That Sri Lankan's only there to do the knuckleheads' bidding. When they're finished with the Muselman, he'll be next. And after him, moi.

You should be okay. It might help to delete those 2007 posts though - just to be on the safe side.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:38pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

I thought you liked demos Karnal Knowledge. You didn't have much to say when they radicals bunged their one on.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

[quote author=Karnal link=1437265164/89#89 date=1437348035]How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

Now you're getting specific, FD. My answer? One. I'll rebut any krap I read about Nazis. You can test me if you want.

Now. How many times do I need to ask you a question to get an answer?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

Its an interesting question. Its a bit like FD 2015 asking FD 2007 "how much taqqiya will you put up with from Abu before you betray all your values of freedom and human rights - and become a dedicated apologist for islamophobia?"

But back on topic - what are your thoughts about the placards about banning non-white immigration and 1488 - fair to call it racist?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

I thought you liked demos Karnal Knowledge. You didn't have much to say when they radicals bunged their one on.

I hate demos, and I've been to a few. The sheer groupthink gets to me. I can't stand the thought of walking down the street chanting, "hey hey, ho ho, ... has got to go". It reminds me of pretending to sing along in church.

There's something inherently violent about demos. I liked John Lennon's form of protest: bed-ins. Get stoned on heroin and invite your friends to hang out in your bedroom. Or Ghandi: fast. Millions of people were prepared to change their ways when Ghandi to stop Ghandi dying of starvation.

I doubt it makes much of a difference unless you're John Lennon or Ghandi though.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

I thought you liked demos Karnal Knowledge. You didn't have much to say when they radicals bunged their one on.

Setting yourself on fire with petrol like that Buddhist monk in Saigon at the beginning of the Vietnam War had some impact. The beheading signs weren't as bad but I still remember it. Calling the cops "pigs" by the ultra lefties the other day got my attention. The rednecks have worked out that you must behave yourself. They should take a leaf out of their books.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:16pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

I posted a photo of one. There are quite a few photos of people with Nazi tattoos floating around from the rallies too.

So why are you so against people being members of a Socialist political party (that ceased to exist 70 years ago)???

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

I thought you liked demos Karnal Knowledge. You didn't have much to say when they radicals bunged their one on.

Setting yourself on fire with petrol like that Buddhist monk in Saigon at the beginning of the Vietnam War had some impact.

It hasn't worked for the Tibetans, but yes. That footage really rammed the point home. The Vietnam war was a time when images of war atrocities and horrors really changed people's minds.

These days, people just accept it. We've become desensitized to the media. Mind you, those images of Abu Graib changed opinion on Iraq around a fair bit.

A good image circulated social media can be far more effective than a big crowd at a rally. Protest rallies are more about mobilizing popular action than changing anyone's mind. The thing is, people get all fired up at a rally, then go home and forget about it.

Propaganda is far more effective if you want to change the general public.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by UnSubRocky on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

It was pretty funny watching the Sri Lankan priest speaking on behalf of the reclaim mob - amongst people holding placards demanding an end to non-white immigration.

Not as bad as beheading signs.

His sign had "1488" written on it. Not sure if that compares favourably to a call for beheading to be honest. Both extremely repulsive.

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

Yes it's different. Whites are in the majority and hold majority power.

White supremacy by it's basic tenets means subjugation of people who are non-white. Further oppression and further entitlements for white people.

Aboriginal people are just trying to get their heads above water.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

That is what the 14 stands for. For your information the 88 stands for "heil Hitler"

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

"All we want is to be able to think and do the same things as white people, while still retaining our identity as a people."
PASTOR DOUG NICHOLLS . They want their identity. Why can't white people??? You do know that multiculturalism is going to impact white society in some of the same ways as aboriginal people were impacted??? Can't people talk about it?? Should we should just take what we're given hey?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:34pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

That is what the 14 stands for. For your information the 88 stands for "heil Hitler"

I didn't know that. Who did??? I had to look it up. Now a beheading sign is nice and obvious.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:40pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Anglo/celtic is just one part of white society Double. There are also whites of Germanic, Scandinavian, Eastern European, Mediterranean etc. persuasion.

You're entitled to go to the Irish club if you want to. Don't make the mistake of thinking that has anything at all to do with being white.

Be specific. What is it about being white you want to advance?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Australians. Anglo/Celts. You know, the people who founded and built Australia. The people who the flag represents. I want my flag, my traditions to remain, my communities to stop getting displaced by migrant enclaves. You know, all the things Pastor Doug Nicholls was talking about. The aborigines didn't like white people rocking up in Australia , why should white people like aborigines rocking up in England??

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

This country was built on the back of migrant (from more than Anglo origins) and Aboriginal workers. We've been multi-cultural from the very start.

Those are the people the flag represents. It represents. Vietnamese and Arabs; Eastern Europeans and Indians; Scandinavians and Chinese... and people from all over the world .. all represented by our flag. It's been that way for generations.

Why do you think it only represents white people Double?

You're not being displaced by migrant enclaves .. whites still hold the power. What more power do you want? Or is just that you are worried about keeping the power?

White power?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:00pm

Excuse me, Mother, we have a lesbian slope-head in our nation’s senate. How can you say we whites have kept the power?

Appalling.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

White people established and built Australia mothra. Multiculturalism is new to Australia's history. Having many migrants is only a new thing. Australia was 90% anglo/celt right up into recent times. I'm sorry to destroy the myth. Why has the flag got the union jack on it then? Why can't people love their heritage and want a secure future for their people? The aborigines are allowed to want that. These questions won't go away and Australia will have more protests into the future. It's just the world and how it's peoples are. There will never be a melting pot. Different peoples have lived in the middle east for 1,000's of years and they haven't melted together yet.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:03pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:00pm:

Excuse me, Mother, we have a lesbian slope-head in our nation’s senate. How can you say we whites have kept the power?

Appalling.

Check out NSW and Victorian State Politics.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:13pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

1488= "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Is it different when aboriginal people say the same thing?? They say it all of the time.

What is "white society" Double?

I'm very interested to hear what you think needs to be preserved or protected about "white society"?

Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Australia never would have got very far in the early days without Aboriginal help. That help continued long into our colonisation. They played pivotal roles in both world wars.

European exploration and settlement of inland Australia depended heavily on the expertise of Muslim cameleers from Afghanistan and British India from the 1800's.

Chinese immigrants, continental Europeans, Americans, New Zealanders and Souh Apcific immigrants all played a part in our development.

You are talking strictly of people from Britain and Ireland. THese were indeed the majority but do not constitute "white" power.

As i said, you are free to o to the local Irish club or enjoy your British heritage in any way you choose but to defend "whiteness" includes people from other places than that .. people who had little to do with the making of Australia yet you claim not to be threatened by because they are not tinted. To my knowledge, Scandinavians, for example, weren't big players in the development of Australia but they are very white and you have no problem with them.

You are welcome to appreciate your heritage ... just don't base it on being white.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:00pm:

Excuse me, Mother, we have a lesbian slope-head in our nation’s senate. How can you say we whites have kept the power?

Appalling.

She's just a token tinted person, Karnal.

... and a token lesbian.

It's a twofer.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:22pm

I wonder how Greg and Rhino's date went?

Did Greg wear a carnation in the lapel of his grey suit?

Did Rhino adhere to a dress code? Did he let Greg see him coming?

So many questions.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm

I'll settle this now for you mothra- The total number of Afghans to settle in Australia was approximately 3,000, with over 2,000 arriving between 1870 and 1900.[2]. 3,000 from the 1830's to 1900. It wasn't many. They did important work in the interior but it was minimal. Aborigines did small things like working on cattle stations and a small amount fought in the wars. Germans in early Australia did more than both of them. Ludwig Leichardt explored big parts of northern Australia for example. Most of the work was done by Perry's, Jones's and O'Briens. It's just the truth. You need to come to terms with the truth and show some respect for our history. This work was financed and spearheaded by the British Empire. It's just a fact.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

The early settlers would have died if it weren't for Aboriginal assistance.

As for the rest, you're equally understating their impact.

But you continue to miss the point Double.

You are entitled to be proud of your British or Irish heritage. Nothing at all wrong with that.

What is wrong is pushing for white advancement. White people are not responsible for colonising this land ... groups of people from various parts of the world are. Do you follow now?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Loads of early settlement was done by white people without aboriginal assistance. Look at Sydney. I'm sorry if you don't like my race advancing. Do you like the idea of other races advancing in Australia?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:36pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

So you are, even though i have pointed out where you err, talking bout white people still?

Even white groups that had no part in the settlement of Australia?

Just white is enough?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

So you are, even though i have pointed out where you err, talking bout white people still?

Even white groups that had no part in the settlement of Australia?

Just white is enough?

I'm starting to think you are racist against white people mothra. We all had a laugh when you said there shouldn't be white advancement in Australia. I like that honesty though. It's a common opinion amongst the left. Very disturbing indeed. White people losing out so other races and cultures can prosper??? WOWWW!!!

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

Just answer the question Double ... stop deflecting.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:44pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Just answer the question Double ... stop deflecting.

I'm not deflecting. I can't believe you wrote this....

What is wrong is pushing for white advancement. By mothra. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm

Is white skin enough for you to want advancement for Double?

Regardless of whether or not the heredity of that white person had anything at all to do with the colonisation of this country?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:53pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

You don't like white advancement in Australia for some reason. You don't like white kids getting better. That's racist as far as I'm concerned. It's hypocritical also because you want the same thing for aborigines.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

I don't want "white" advancement Double. I don't want white people put before any other kind of people. White people already hold the majority of power. There is no need for advancement.

To twist that into saying i don't want the best for white kids is preposterous.

All this fus so you don't have to answer a question. Really?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

I'm not in power. A small group of white people have power. Most white peopledon't have power over hardly anything in their lives. There's plenty of room for white people to advance in Australia. Many white kids are on drugs. When you say white do you mean white establishment?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:02pm

aw cute, look at that, he thinks he evaded your question ;D

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

aw cute, look at that, he thinks he evaded your question ;D

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:05pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

Those are problems that effect all demographics Double. There is no need to colour code them.

Now ... about answering my question?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:06pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

Those are problems that effect all demographics Double. There is no need to colour code them.

Now ... about answering my question?

What was your question?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

So you are, even though i have pointed out where you err, talking bout white people still?

Even white groups that had no part in the settlement of Australia?

Just white is enough?

This question.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:09pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

So you are, even though i have pointed out where you err, talking bout white people still?

Even white groups that had no part in the settlement of Australia?

Just white is enough?

This question.

I don't understand your question.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:10pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Nope, I pondered which was worse, a sign calling for beheading, or one that had a white supremacist slogan and "heil Hitler" on it.

You should work on your comprehension by the way:

Quote:

Not sure if that compares favourably to a call for beheading to be honest. Both extremely repulsive.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Nope, I pondered which was worse, a sign calling for beheading, or one that had a white supremacist slogan and "heil Hitler" on it.

You should work on your comprehension by the way:

Quote:

Not sure if that compares favourably to a call for beheading to be honest. Both extremely repulsive.

Are you going to argue or pick me up on my spelling? I know what's worse. Little kids holding up beheading signs.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Are you going to argue or pick me up on my spelling?

Comprehension, not spelling good fellow.

Would mean you don't end up blatantly lying when you say things like:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm

Double, you've been arguing that white people built this country and that the flag represents those that did. You want their advancement.

Yes?

My question to you is being white enough? What about Scandinavian people who had no part in building this country? In Eastern Europeans? Do you want their advancement too simply because they are white?

I keep telling you it's fine to be proud of being British or Irish or whatever group you claim heredity to that "built this country" but claiming pride in simply being white is another matter entirely.

Can you see the difference?

There. Now you have 2 questions.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:15pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Are you going to argue or pick me up on my spelling?

Comprehension, not spelling good fellow.

Would mean you don't end up blatantly lying when you say things like:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Picking up comprehension is when you have lost. So you've pondered. What's the conclusion then??

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Nope, I pondered which was worse, a sign calling for beheading, or one that had a white supremacist slogan and "heil Hitler" on it.

You should work on your comprehension by the way:

Quote:

Not sure if that compares favourably to a call for beheading to be honest. Both extremely repulsive.

Are you going to argue or pick me up on my spelling? I know what's worse. Little kids holding up beheading signs.

Holding up beheading signs is disgusting and especially so when done by children.

But so is white supremacy ESPECIALLY when it refers to Hitler.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:18pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Are you deliberately missing the point entirely?

Read it again Double.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:10pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Oh looky here, the beheading sign defender is here.

Nope, I pondered which was worse, a sign calling for beheading, or one that had a white supremacist slogan and "heil Hitler" on it.

You should work on your comprehension by the way:

Quote:

Not sure if that compares favourably to a call for beheading to be honest. Both extremely repulsive.

Are you going to argue or pick me up on my spelling? I know what's worse. Little kids holding up beheading signs.

Holding up beheading signs is disgusting and especially so when done by children.

But so is white supremacy ESPECIALLY when it refers to Hitler.

Nobody even knew what the 1488 sign meant. Actually I have no proof it was even at the march. I haven't seen it in the media. Some proof would be good. We've seen the beheading signs.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Are you deliberately missing the point entirely?

Read it again Double.

When I mean white Australian I mean anglo/celtic people who have been here for generations. I'm not referring to blow ins of all skin colours. I want that heritage to prosper in Australia.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:24pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Are you deliberately missing the point entirely?

Read it again Double.

When I mean white Australian I mean anglo/celtic people who have been here for generations. I'm not referring to blow ins of all skin colours. I want that heritage to prosper in Australia.

So you don't mean Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans? Mediterranean people? Germanic people?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Are you deliberately missing the point entirely?

Read it again Double.

When I mean white Australian I mean anglo/celtic people who have been here for generations. I'm not referring to blow ins of all skin colours. I want that heritage to prosper in Australia.

So you don't mean Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans? Mediterranean people? Germanic people?

bugger them. I'm an aussie who's family has been here since the 1790's. That's who my people are.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

I agree with his points actually.

All of them?

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

Do you think this matters? I'm sure the guy writing it knows.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

I agree with his points actually.

All of them?

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

Do you think this matters? I'm sure the guy writing it knows.

Question 1- Maybe not the non white immigration point . I'd have a few peoples who are known to fit in and function like Chinese. Only small amounts. I'd never have full scale multiculturalism. That's a disaster waiting to happen. Getting a race and knowingly mixing it up is a form of genocide. Except for that I agree with very point. You leftists are scum.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:37pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Are you deliberately missing the point entirely?

Read it again Double.

When I mean white Australian I mean anglo/celtic people who have been here for generations. I'm not referring to blow ins of all skin colours. I want that heritage to prosper in Australia.

So you don't mean Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans? Mediterranean people? Germanic people?

bugger them. I'm an aussie who's family has been here since the 1790's. That's who my people are.

So you're not advocating for white people Double .. you're advocating for British/Irish people.

Do you see?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Secret Wars on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:38pm

Look forward to the luvvie rent a crowds getting involved next time the beheading signs are rolled out because someone insulted the prophet.

Cept I know that will never happen. ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:39pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

So was the government policy in the 1800's of racially mixing aboriginal people attempted genocide??? I've read that argument on here loads of times and nobody cared to respond.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

So was the government policy in the 1800's of racially mixing aboriginal people attempted genocide??? I've read that argument on here loads of times and nobody cared to respond.

That was INTENDED to dilute Aboriginal blood.

If white people get it on with people from other cultures, it's consenting and perfectly fine.

Anyway Double, it's hysterical to think white people in are any danger of dying out.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

So was the government policy in the 1800's of racially mixing aboriginal people attempted genocide??? I've read that argument on here loads of times and nobody cared to respond.

So multiculturalism isn't meant to dilute white blood then??? What's the difference?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

So was the government policy in the 1800's of racially mixing aboriginal people attempted genocide??? I've read that argument on here loads of times and nobody cared to respond.

So multiculturalism isn't meant to dilute white blood then??? What's the difference?

Of course it isn't.

Calm down.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

So was the government policy in the 1800's of racially mixing aboriginal people attempted genocide??? I've read that argument on here loads of times and nobody cared to respond.

So multiculturalism isn't meant to dilute white blood then??? What's the difference?

Of course it isn't.

Calm down.

So a population of mostly British people in Australia getting millions of peoples from around the world brought into their society isn't going to dilute their blood then??? Just like what happened to the aborigines. No difference, yet one is attempted genocide and the other isn't. I'm confused.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by UnSubRocky on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Having a 1488 written on a sign is no synonymous threat compared to signs inciting beheadings of people that don't believe the things the sign holders believe.

You do know what it means don't you?

while I agree that they are different, I honestly don't know which I find more repulsive.

I know that it means "14 words" ie, securing their future for white children, etc. And the 88 means the 88 precepts found in Wotanism.

There isn't anything wrong with protecting your race's future. Though, it might be implicit that securing your race's future might come at the expense of another. I can't see people inciting beheadings for others not respecting Islam, as a synonymous form of expression with white nationalism.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

I posted a photo of one. There are quite a few photos of people with Nazi tattoos floating around from the rallies too.

So why are you so against people being members of a Socialist political party (that ceased to exist 70 years ago)???

One doesn't have to be a member of the National Socialist Party of Germany to be referred to as a "Nazi", Gizmo. ::) ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:54pm

[quote author=double_plus_good link=1437265164/110#110 date=1437377829]Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.
[/quote]

Anglo or Celtic? Which one? Both are very different and both were imported from the UK, where neither is native... You have no idea how silly your comments sound, do you? ::) ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:55pm

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:03pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Getting a race and knowingly mixing it up is a form of genocide.

The UN Defines Genocide as being:

Quote:

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide]Source[/url]

Can you please tell us how having a minority group "mixed up" with the majority group, fits that definition? ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:46am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

[quote author=double_plus_good link=1437265164/110#110 date=1437377829]Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Anglo or Celtic? Which one? Both are very different and both were imported from the UK, where neither is native... You have no idea how silly your comments sound, do you? ::) ::)
[/quote]What would a treacherous muslim lover like you know about anglo/celtic aussies and their culture? You have your tongue firmly planted in ethnic ass.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:49am

Anglo/Celtic/Australians against multiculturalism.

I hope I'm not the only one to enjoy this irony.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:09am

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Reply #23, my post, on page 2 of this thread.

edit: it is from the Age website.

That's his opinion. I agree with his points actually. Many aussies do. I still doubt most people know what the 88 means.

You agree with that crap? Really? Stop white genocide?

So was the government policy in the 1800's of racially mixing aboriginal people attempted genocide??? I've read that argument on here loads of times and nobody cared to respond.

So multiculturalism isn't meant to dilute white blood then??? What's the difference?

Of course it isn't.

Calm down.

Oh, there’s a teeny-weeny difference, Homo.

British Australians are not having their children removed and adopted by darkies. British people are not having their wages confiscated, or prevented from travelling, or being banned from pubs, swimming pools and local public buildings.

A bit of a quibble, I know.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:12am

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

But British people are white. African's are African but can still be black.

Are you deliberately missing the point entirely?

Read it again Double.

When I mean white Australian I mean anglo/celtic people who have been here for generations. I'm not referring to blow ins of all skin colours. I want that heritage to prosper in Australia.

So you don't mean Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans? Mediterranean people? Germanic people?

bugger them. I'm an aussie who's family has been here since the 1790's. That's who my people are.

Now you’re offending the old boy. No one has the right to not be offended, you know.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Pho Huc on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:58am

Stratos wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:49am:

Anglo/Celtic/Australians against multiculturalism.

I hope I'm not the only one to enjoy this irony.

No i'm getting a strong dose of irony over here too :o

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Pho Huc on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:12am

Just for giggles,
I support a multicultural Australia because we need other cultures to help us be more productive.

We need the Italians to cook pizza, We need the Koreans to get rid of our stray cats. We need aboriginals to find out stray thongs. We need Englishmen to whinge. We need Indians to run our 7/11's.
Mostly we need whites to fill and run our government and centerlink

I cant believe people are still going on about race in 2015, I thought we got over that in the 1990's.

Idiots come in all shapes and colors, you have to talk to them to detect them.
People who judge others based only on the color of their skin or their heritage are either badly educated or stupid(though both is common)

As soon as someone says: "I dont accept multiculturalism" i hear
"I have limited experience with people not called Davo. People not called Davo are scary. Im scared of scary things"

On top of that the ones who proclaim the supremacy of white blood are often the ones who claim all Moslems are evil.

They are unable to imagine another person living without such an egotistical doctrine, and self project their own ego onto others.

Thats why they are so scared of all the Moslems. Because they honestly believe the Moslems are as dumb and aggressive as they are.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:37pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:05pm:

I can't wait for Karnal to become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters. It's only a matter of time till he reads these lies about them.

FD must be kranky at me.

What have I done, FD?

So it's not a lie to accuse this crowd of racism, because they were practicing taqiyya by putting a tinted person up as their spokesperson?

And the Jew is using the black man as muscle against the white man.

How about this for an alternative interpretation - the current troubles with Islam are making these knuckleheads think about what really matters. They are deciding that it is not race, but western liberal values. And them choosing a tinted person as spokesman is proof of this.

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

How many lies about Nazis would you have to stumble across before you became a dedicated apologist for Nazism?

Now you're getting specific, FD. My answer? One. I'll rebut any krap I read about Nazis. You can test me if you want.

Now. How many times do I need to ask you a question to get an answer?

What about when white knuckelheads get accused of racism despite choosing a tinted person to speak on their behalf. That's different isn't it?

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:

[quote author=mothra link=1437265164/127#127 date=1437381972]You are deflecting. Answer the question.

I've has enough of you mothra. I don't like what I read. I thought I was racist. God damned.

You are.

I am not.

Those are problems that effect all demographics Double. There is no need to colour code them.

Now ... about answering my question?

What was your question?

It's not advance Australia tinted. It's advance Australia fair.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:41pm

Advance Australia fair, eh?

Just for giggles.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11am

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:37pm:

How about this for an alternative interpretation - the current troubles with Islam are making these knuckleheads think about what really matters. They are deciding that it is not race, but western liberal values.

Ah - must be it fD. That would explain the 1488 and end non-white immigration placards.

You once managed to smear a peaceful protest against the Egyptian coup to overthrow the democratically elected government as a sinister rally for oppression. And that was without being able to identify a single expression of such support amongst all the peace and democracy placards. Imagine what a few actual neo-nazis in amongst this rally for "liberal democracy" could do for anyone interested in smearing a particular group. Which naturally isn't you FD.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:36am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:11am:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:37pm:

I wonder what the 2007 FD would think about the 2015 FD's support for racism rallies. Abu must be proud, no?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:25am

To their credit, I think this reclaim mob are trying very hard to present themselves as legit. They made appeals before the rally for people not to be racist. But alas there were still the 'ban non-white immigration' placards and the skinheads with swastikas tatooed to their heads. Imagine what sort of ammunition a single beheading sign at an otherwise non-extremist muslim rally would give FD to mock and sneer for pages and pages. We know how he can twist a muslim rally that doesn't even have a single beheading sign - or any sort of extremist material. I guess thats why he's just avoiding the nazis altogether. Even he must know the hypocricy of him running with the "oh but most of them were non-extremist" line. It wouldn't be hard at all to use all his arguments against him: they let the nazis in, therefore they are tacitly approving of them, you can't actually see any placards saying they are specifically against racism... etc etc.

Yes, its very understandable that FD just wants to quietly ignore them entirely.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:01am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:25am:

Reclaim Australia is a racist platform. It makes One Nation look like a bunch of National Socialists.

Oh, that's right - One Nation were National Socialists. David Oldfield said.
It's good to see the 2015 FD stick up for the freeeedoms of decent white people.

Ban them.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37am

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:01am:

Reclaim Australia is a racist platform.

Probably - their facebook page certainly exposes a lot about the sorts of people they are attracting.

Still, I don't think that their carefully stated agenda necessarily has to be a racist agenda. As FD said, its plausible that it could be about defending liberal democracy. Christensen was very careful to express his concerns as only against radical islam - though it must have been slightly awkward for him when everyone else at the rally omitted the word "radical" from the phrase.

But I'm still trying to get over the hypocricy. FD has spend the last 3 years that I've been here relentlessly howling me down whenever I suggest that a tiny minority of rabble rousers does not represent the group overall. Now he's pushing the line that the reclaim mob are really legitimate defenders of our liberal democracy - and his silence over the presense of nazi skinheads and placards about ending non-white immigration - is deafening. He even accused those calling the protesters racist as liars. I mean this is the guy who labelled a peaceful protest against the overthrow of a democracy - complete with pro-democracy and pro-freedom placards - as a sinister front for oppressive anti-freedom. He even used the argument that there was 'only one' sign mentioning the word democracy (a big ten foot one leading the whole march), and they didn't quite use the word 'freedom' in a convincing enough way - therefore the protest was a complete sham.

Good grief, imagine what FD could do with this reclaim mob if he suddenly switched sides. It would go on for years.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm

Quote:

You once managed to smear a peaceful protest against the Egyptian coup to overthrow the democratically elected government as a sinister rally for oppression.

Democracy and Liberty are not the same thing Gandalf. Hitler was elected.

Quote:

Even he must know the hypocricy of him running with the "oh but most of them were non-extremist" line.

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Quote:

Still, I don't think that their carefully stated agenda necessarily has to be a racist agenda. As FD said, its plausible that it could be about defending liberal democracy. Christensen was very careful to express his concerns as only against radical islam - though it must have been slightly awkward for him when everyone else at the rally omitted the word "radical" from the phrase.

Even if it was about rejecting mainstream Islam, that is still not inherently racist. That was a political posture.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:37am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:01am:

Reclaim Australia is a racist platform.

Probably - their facebook page certainly exposes a lot about the sorts of people they are attracting.

Still, I don't think that their carefully stated agenda necessarily has to be a racist agenda.

True. It doesn't. But Reclaim Australia is all about racism. You only have to look at the placards to work it out. Reclaim Australia is the latest version of the old Asians Out crowd. They've been around since the gold rush - the second period of mass migration to Australia. This crowd are waving the liberal-democracy banner now, just as they waved the workers' rights banner then. The core of the movement is good old fashioned racism, which there are no end of excuses for.

The fact that Islam is not a race has nothing to do with it. Islam has lots of awful tinted people saying mean things about whitey. That's enough. During the Cold War, Chinese communism and the domino theory offered exactly the same threat: Australia being invaded by yellow hoards.

Yellow hoards, Musel hoards, tinted hoards, you name it. As a recent discussion here uncovered, it's an invasion.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Pho Huc on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Thats right FD - no line, apart from alluding to 'lies' about reclaim being racist - and your deafening silence when its pointed out to you that there actually were racists there.

By the way, feel free to answer my previous question - do you consider placards calling for an end to non-white immigration as racist?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Why start now? The most common opinion here is that there were racists present, therefore everything they believe in is wrong. I just want to see how far the contrariness goes.

So, if they said 2 + 2 = 4, would you argue? I think you would. There doesnt seem to be any attempt to address what they say, only "dey raciss". They may very well be, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Absolutely not. That’s just protecting the freeeeedoms of decent white people.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

A good question, Honky. Personally, I wouldn’t. One of the 20th century’s most important philosophers was a member of the Nazi party, but that doesn’t stop Heidegger being one of the most influential thinkers in the Western tradition.

If Reclaim Australia argues that the tinted races should be sent back, how could this be anything other than a racist agenda?

Muslim doctors, teachers, aged-care nurses, all thrown out because a few crackers think the tinted races aren’t servile enough.

Yes, if a proposal is based on a completely irrational, counter-productive fear like racism, it has to be wrong.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

So people that question the mixing of races are a few crackers??

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:44pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

So people that question the mixing of races are a few crackers??

Sometimes a question is just a question, Homo.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

So people that question the mixing of races are a few crackers??

Yes they are. Except you double - you're totally on the level.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Of course there were some racists, but trying to pass the whole protest off as racist, when they had a tinted speaker, is a lie by Karnal's standard. He will normally look a lot harder than that to find one. Hence the question - when is he going to become a born again apologist for anti-Islam protestors?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Of course there were some racists

Ah.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Yes G, when will I become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters?

I’m curious.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:55pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04pm:

Of course there were some racists, but trying to pass the whole protest off as racist, when they had a tinted speaker, is a lie by Karnal's standard.

I've never seen any equivalent leaps of logic by Karnal. Having a tinted person at a racist rally doesn't make it suddenly not racist. It just means that the racists have some useful idiots at their disposal. Previously Karnal has called you lot on such things as claiming their is a muslim child-bride epidemic on the basis of 2 cases, and calling a terrorist attack by Armenian Christians a muslim terrorist attack. Those are actual lies. Your "lie" here is what we call grasping at straws.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:04pm

No no, I completely agree with FD. I have no proof that Reclaim Australia is a racist organization with a racist agenda. I’m just going on their marketing and values statements and members’ own words held up on pieces of cardboard and tattooed onto their knuckles.

It’s a leap of faith, I know.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:10pm

I'm interested to know what FD means by "Karnal's standard" for porkies. Any idea K?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:10pm:

I'm interested to know what FD means by "Karnal's standard" for porkies. Any idea K?

An enigmatic question, G. It shows FD has been reading all those questions he refuses to answer.

I’m interested in FD’s standard for porkies. Do you think he has one?

He won’t tell me. Maybe you could ask him.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Have they proposed chucking every tinted front bottom out? Admittedly I haven't paid much attention, but from what I've seen their platform is ending non white immigration, not chucking out those already here.

I'm sure some would secretly like a purge, but it's unreasonable to expect ones plan to be implemented without being watered down.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Have they proposed chucking every tinted nice person out? Admittedly I haven't paid much attention, but from what I've seen their platform is ending non white immigration, not chucking out those already here.

I'm sure some would secretly like a purge, but it's unreasonable to expect ones plan to be implemented without being watered down.

One’s secret plan, you mean?

True, Honky. It’s most unfair to hold people to account for their secret plans.

Google taqiyya, no?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:02am

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

One’s secret plan, you mean?

True, Honky. It’s most unfair to hold people to account for their secret plans.

Google taqiyya, no?

if they're secret how would you even know what to hold them responsible for?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:40am

That’s a hard one, Honky. You have to hire an expert in reading protest banners and knuckle tattoos.

Some of the messages can be very subtle.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:57am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

So people that question the mixing of races are a few crackers??

Yes they are. Except you double - you're totally on the level.

Call them what you will, it won't go away.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:56am

Karnal wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:40am:

That’s a hard one, Honky. You have to hire an expert in reading protest banners and knuckle tattoos.

Some of the messages can be very subtle.

Theyre not secret if theyre on banners.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:56am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:40am:

That’s a hard one, Honky. You have to hire an expert in reading protest banners and knuckle tattoos.

Some of the messages can be very subtle.

Theyre not secret if theyre on banners.

Good point there, Honky.

FD?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm

I
Quote:

've never seen any equivalent leaps of logic by Karnal. Having a tinted person at a racist rally doesn't make it suddenly not racist.

It means the counter protestors completely missed the point and misrepresented the message of the rally. They had a tinted speaker and a politician making critical arguments against Islam or 'extremist Islam' and the counter protest tries to wash it all away with accusations of racism. That is more of a lie than failing to access the drop-down box on Islamqa to access a different translation, or quoting the wrong post of yours from a 2014 thread.

The genuine head hackers don't stop Karnal from being an unthinking apologist for Islam. Why should a few racists stop him being an apologist for the anti-Islam protestors?

Quote:

It just means that the racists have some useful idiots at their disposal.

Ah. Completely different to the Islamic apologists then. Do you think these 'useful idiots' might have a genuine rational reason for protesting against Islam?

Quote:

Previously Karnal has called you lot on such things as claiming their is a muslim child-bride epidemic on the basis of 2 cases.

Actually, that was you Gandalf.

Quote:

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam. Why should a bit of racism stop you being an apologist for the anti-Islam protestors? If they had nothing to apologise for, they would not need apologists Karnal. By your own logic, all it requires is you being able to read lies about them on the internet. So what is stopping you?

Quote:

I'm interested to know what FD means by "Karnal's standard" for porkies. Any idea K?

The two most recent examples that got the both of you very wound up: failing to access the drop-down box on Islamqa to see a different translation (you actually conceded this was not a lie, but that did not slow Karnal down), or quoting the wrong post of yours from a 2014 thread.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:02pm

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam.

What a comparison! - smearing 1.5 billion people all over the world by the actions of a few, with daring to suggest a couple of hundred protesters - a fair proportion of which are actual neo-nazis with swastikas - are racists. A muslim minding his own business in Australia has no say in being associated with head-hackers in Syria - but someone who is genuinely concerned by the threat of Islam to our liberal democracy can choose whether or not he joins hands with neo-nazis in a protest.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:29pm

Don't worry Honky - you'll always have FD here fearlessly apologising for your bigotry- and claim that somehow its Karnal who is the hypocrite :D

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:08pm

Nobody has put up a thread about the Muslim fanatic loser that killed 4 Marines in the states just recently. The media is trying to sweep it under the rug.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

I bet the gays don't. Homosexuality is illegal punishable by death in Islamic teachings. In fact in Islam everybody that isn't a Muslim is second rate. How's that for bigotry?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:12pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

I bet the gays don't. Homosexuality is illegal punishable by death in Islamic teachings. In fact in Islam everybody that isn't a Muslim is second rate. How's that for bigotry?

Many Christians feel exactly the same Double. You want them banned too?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:14pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

I bet the gays don't. Homosexuality is illegal punishable by death in Islamic teachings. In fact in Islam everybody that isn't a Muslim is second rate. How's that for bigotry?

Many Christians feel exactly the same Double. You want them banned too?

There's a difference between feeling a certain way and enforcing a certain way. You can be gay in a christian country but can't be gay in a muslim country.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

I bet the gays don't. Homosexuality is illegal punishable by death in Islamic teachings. In fact in Islam everybody that isn't a Muslim is second rate. How's that for bigotry?

Many Christians feel exactly the same Double. You want them banned too?

There's a difference between feeling a certain way and enforcing a certain way. You can be gay in a christian country but can't be gay in a muslim country.

We're talking about Australia where it is perfectly acceptable to be gay and perfectly acceptable to be a Muslim.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:17pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

I bet the gays don't. Homosexuality is illegal punishable by death in Islamic teachings. In fact in Islam everybody that isn't a Muslim is second rate. How's that for bigotry?

Many Christians feel exactly the same Double. You want them banned too?

There's a difference between feeling a certain way and enforcing a certain way. You can be gay in a christian country but can't be gay in a muslim country.

We're talking about Australia where it is perfectly acceptable to be gay and perfectly acceptable to be a Muslim.

That's because Australia isn't a Muslim country.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm

Anyway, you are aware that there are many Muslim majority countries that have absolutely no problem with same sex relations and a few that are even on the verge of allowing same sex marriage?

Don't let your bigotry get in the way of the facts Double.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

I bet the gays don't. Homosexuality is illegal punishable by death in Islamic teachings. In fact in Islam everybody that isn't a Muslim is second rate. How's that for bigotry?

Many Christians feel exactly the same Double. You want them banned too?

There's a difference between feeling a certain way and enforcing a certain way. You can be gay in a christian country but can't be gay in a muslim country.

We're talking about Australia where it is perfectly acceptable to be gay and perfectly acceptable to be a Muslim.

That's because Australia isn't a Muslim country.

No, it's because we are a moderate country.

Plenty of moderate Muslim countries.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Which Muslim countries??

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:20pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Which Muslim countries??

Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in 19 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia). In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[10][11] Homosexual relations between females are legal in Kuwait, but homosexual acts between males are illegal. Lebanon has had recent internal efforts to legalize homosexuality.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Which Muslim countries??

So that's 19 out of many muslim countries. Not very good is it? What about Christian countries??

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:26pm

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:30pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Which Muslim countries??

So that's 19 out of many muslim countries. Not very good is it? What about Christian countries??

Nice try at a save but the point you are missing is that many Muslims are moderate and accepting of difference and are not strict adherents of the Quran.

Much like Christians.

So doesn't it logically follow that Muslims in a moderate country like Australia don't mostly seek the execution of gays and lesbians?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:32pm

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:34pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:30pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Which Muslim countries??

So that's 19 out of many muslim countries. Not very good is it? What about Christian countries??

How do you know most Muslims are moderate. Try being gay born to an Islamic family. Muslim women are forbidden to marry outside their faith. Look it up Mothra. Who are the bigots?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by double plus good on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:35pm

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by mothra on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:35pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:30pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:20pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Which Muslim countries??

So that's 19 out of many muslim countries. Not very good is it? What about Christian countries??

How do you know most Muslims are moderate. Try being gay born to an Islamic family. Muslim women are forbidden to marry outside their faith. Look it up Mothra. Who are the bigots?

Well, you for a start.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:03pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

What about Christian countries??

Uganda for one.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Honky on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:31pm

mothra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:59pm:

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

A muslim minding his own business in Australia

Muslims have no business in australia.

I'd rather have Muslims in Australia than bigots. Unfortunately, i don't get a vote.

Best we all try to get along eh?

If "getting along" is your goal, why import a source of conflict? It doesn't make sense.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam.

By the religion they choose to believe in Gandalf. Are you seriously suggesting that it is wrong to judge people by the beliefs they hold?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:03pm

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam.

By the religion they choose to believe in Gandalf. Are you seriously suggesting that it is wrong to judge people by the beliefs they hold?

No I absolutely *DO* believe people should be judged by the beliefs they hold. Thats been my whole point all along actually. Fancy that!

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Stratos on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:05pm

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:53pm:

By the religion they choose to believe in Gandalf. Are you seriously suggesting that it is wrong to judge people by the beliefs they hold?

Because religions are all hive minded forms of blended consciousness that all share identical beliefs in every regard, which is why there is no division among Muslims, or any other religion ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam.

By the religion they choose to believe in Gandalf. Are you seriously suggesting that it is wrong to judge people by the beliefs they hold?

No I absolutely *DO* believe people should be judged by the beliefs they hold. Thats been my whole point all along actually. Fancy that!

You are confused Gandalf.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 8:43pm

How so?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:33pm

I am not sure. Perhaps you quoted the wrong bit. The Koran and ahadiths are a bit more than merely "the actions of a few".

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:19pm

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

The Koran and ahadiths are a bit more than merely "the actions of a few"

The head-hacking interpretations are the beliefs of the few.

You don't judge muslims who reject the head-hackers version of Islam as muslims who genuinely advocate a peaceful and tolerant Islam. No, you judge them as somehow sinister. But whatever we do we mustn't unfairly judge a few protesters who choose to hold hands with neo-nazis - thats the really important thing here.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39pm

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The head-hacking interpretations are the beliefs of the few.

Show me a Muslim that does not believe that Muhammed hacked the heads of hundreds of unarmed Jewish POWs in one day. Show me a Muslim that does not believe this was the right thing to do.

Are you saying we cannot judge Muslims by this because Muhammed was only one Muslim?

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But whatever we do we mustn't unfairly judge a few protesters who choose to hold hands with neo-nazis - thats the really important thing here.

That's what being an apologist is all about Gandalf.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 12:17am

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39pm:

Show me a Muslim that does not believe that Muhammed hacked the heads of hundreds of unarmed Jewish POWs in one day. Show me a Muslim that does not believe this was the right thing to do.

Support for mass killings doesn't disqualify someone from being a genuine advocate for peace and tolerance. Just look at how many people still support the dropping of the atomic bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. Desperate times, drastic measures, no other choice etc etc. It doesn't matter if you think its bonkers, different people actually can think differently to you, and be sincere about it.

Somehow its ok for Christians to hold that the God who ordered the invasion and slaughter of thousands of men, women and children is also a God of peace and love - but its definitely not ok for muslims to believe Islam can be peaceful after their prophet executed men for conspiring with the army that was attempting to annihilate the muslim people.

Your problem is that you cannot accept that people can hold genuine beliefs that you find contradictory. You come up with a version of Islam based on your own ignorant understanding of the texts and prejudicial logical leaps - and completely reject the idea that muslims could believe anything else. If they claim otherwise they are liars and must be dealt with accordingly. That's the only way you could possibly find any sort of equivalence between the vast majority of peaceful and well-intentioned muslims and anti-Islam protesters who are happy to join hands with skinhead neo-nazis.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 12:38am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

that is the most pathetic defence of racists i have ever heard.

those Reclaim Australia idiots are racist.

If you really want to get pedantic about nomenclature - lets call them xenophobic bigots.

Whatever - they are scum.

And racist scum is a pretty accurate and succinct description.

Or - xenophobic bigoted scum if you insist on absolute verbal accuracy.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Emma Peel on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 1:34am

I really couldn't be bothered reading all the previous posts... for and against..?? Nope. :( PATHETIC.

These reclaim Australia people are simply fearful individuals who take courage in a mob.
Mob rule. Cowards and afraid of reality. It won't go away .
They seem to think Australia is an Island, untouched by the real world. Fearful fools all :(

I think PEOPLE are entitled to be FREE.
Sadly Australia is no longer, (if it ever was) a FREE society. THESE confrontations focus us on pros and cons.. that are just irrelevant in the face of the real world..

People are people, whatever they believe, and only freedom allows there to be a rational society. These 'reclaim' folks are so sad .. so afraid, so pathetic.. I saw the footage and I thought.. is THIS AUSTRALIA.?? What depths we have sunken to.
:(
FEAR is the enemy, NOT our fellow human beings. There are always malcontents in any grouping of HUMANS.. to give them such perceptions of validity and power that would require this sort of 'outbreak of anti - religious dogma' is symptomatic of an ingrained fear and WEAKNESS. Do you really feel SO weak in the face of a bit of aggro. ?

Would be better to ignore the radicals, and put them where they deserve to be. Nowhere where any body could care less.

The Reclaim people are simply afraid, and ignorant.

There is NO safety in this world, we can only be cohesive and work together to make the best of things. To divide is to fail. The radical Muslims and radical racists are doing a really good job of achieving a virtual breakdown in commonsense, and a rational society.
DON'T ALLOW FEAR to run your life. BE who you are in righteous belief that we are all one. Stand up and say.. I am a HUMAN BEING, and I am for the GOOD of ALL!!.
Don't fall prey to fearmongering and those who want to rip apart our society. I MEAN all those who seek to widen this division. WORK TOGETHER. BY behaving in this anarchic manner you just give POWER to your perceived enemy. FEAR based actions can never be appropriate. It takes RATIONAL thought and courage and the will to be decent beings.

Don't allow yourself, through your fear, to be dragged down into the radical fringe. :) :) :)

Peace and LOVE to all, is the only doctrine to pursue,, NOT HATRED and disenfranchisement,.

Stand up and be a GOOD HUMAN BEING... not a fearful puppet manipulated by the faceless force of hate and fear.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by issuevoter on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:06am

Emma, Islam is a state of mind, not a race. Your perception of Muslims in Australia as being somehow different and more peace loving and tolerant of other cultures denies the facts. You are part of the appeasement brigade. Muslims do not respect your views; they use them.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

[quote author=double_plus_good link=1437265164/110#110 date=1437377829]Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Anglo or Celtic? Which one? Both are very different and both were imported from the UK, where neither is native... You have no idea how silly your comments sound, do you? ::) ::)

What would a treacherous muslim lover like you know about anglo/celtic aussies and their culture? You have your tongue firmly planted in ethnic ass.
[/quote]

Is that the best you can manage, Matty? Sorry, I find your lambasting me for defending innocent people from your persecution rather laughable. Keep trying, you might one day hurt me. ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

The Koran and ahadiths are a bit more than merely "the actions of a few"

There is no authoratitive, reliable evidence that Muslims who say the thing you ae saying are genuine, reliable, influential, effective.

The only effective Msulism in the world today and for the last 1400 years seem to be Muslims who completely reject what you are saying.

How does a kuffar like me know that you are a player in Islam, that your views are of any importance, of any significance, Gandy???

There is ZERO evidence of Muslims taking any notice of your views. Why should kuffars like me?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

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Support for mass killings doesn't disqualify someone from being a genuine advocate for peace and tolerance.

Neither apparently does actually carrying out these mass killings. Are you suggesting that Muhammed was not a genuine advocate for peace and tolerance but his followers are, despite Islam?

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Just look at how many people still support the dropping of the atomic bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. Desperate times, drastic measures, no other choice etc etc.

The war was already over Gandalf. The Meccans had gone home. Even if they had won, I doubt the Meccans would have been as ruthless with the Muslims as Muhammed was with the tribe of Jews. Had they defeated his army, they would probably would have got all the stuff back that Muhammed stole from them and an agreement to stop the highway robbery. The only desperation was Muhammed's will to get absolute power in Medina and beyond, and wipe out any threat to that power. It is not just a coincidence that all three large tribes of Jews got booted out of Medina after Muhammed took over but realised the Jews would not bow down for him. And it is not a coincidence that Muslims such as yourself still invoke the Jew=Borg theory to justify it. When pressed you do not justify it by imminent threat because there was none. You justify it as collective punishment for a crime. Islam compels you to invoke a legal principle that is a clear and direct violation of the Geneva convention. That is what it takes to justify Muhammed's actions.

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It doesn't matter if you think its bonkers, different people actually can think differently to you, and be sincere about it.

My argument is not that they aren't sincere. I am saying they are sincere, and that this is no barrier to Karnal being an apologist for Islam, and thus a bit of racism should not be a barrier to him being an apologist for the anti-Muslim protestors.

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Somehow its ok for Christians to hold that the God who ordered the invasion and slaughter of thousands of men, women and children is also a God of peace and love

Jesus brought about a change in philosophy. Muhammed changed it back. He managed to make it even worse.

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Your problem is that you cannot accept that people can hold genuine beliefs that you find contradictory. You come up with a version of Islam based on your own ignorant understanding of the texts and prejudicial logical leaps

What exactly is 'prejudicial logic'?

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and completely reject the idea that muslims could believe anything else

I believe that you believe that Islam is benign. Or something like that. I still disagree with you. Disagreeing with you is not the same as rejecting your ability to delude yourself into whatever convoluted justification you come up with.

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If they claim otherwise they are liars and must be dealt with accordingly.

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm

You’ll ignore this one, FD, but allow me to clarify something I think is important. I’m against Reclaim Australia because it’s an inherently racist organisation with a racist agenda.

I wholeheartedly supported the "I’m with Charlie" campaign in France because this was about solidarity, not racism. I guess this makes me an apologist for the French race, no?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:41pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

No.

It makes you look the confused PB that you are.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

No.

It makes you look the confused PB that you are.

Stupid or mendacious? Thick or tendentious? Correlation or causation?

You’ll need to phrase that as a question, OB.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Tell me why someone who is genuinely trying to advocate a religion of peace and tolerance must be "dealt with"? Is it that you actually want all muslims to be terrorists? What do you actually mean by "dealt with"?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Islam is not genuinely a religion of peace. Islam is not genuinely tolerant.

Mouthing these thing doesn't make Islam these things. Islam is an intolerant, domineering, beligerent creed. You know it better than the rest of us.

Ummah, sharia, jihad, caliphate, House of Peace, House of War - you can't ignore them.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Emma Peel on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

Au contraire Dino.. I know appeasement is a failure when dealing with aggression. I just don't see how a bunch of ignorant scared rednecks making lots of noise and beating their breasts about an entire religion is anything but bulldust. Bunch of hypocrits. Youare no different to those radicals in any religion. You think you are different..? you are not.
GOD.. look at what Christians have done, and still do, in the name of their God.
It is the pot calling the kettle black. Every group of humans have the same issues.
Becoming the rabble-rousers is not the answer... and abusing and bullying your own people makes you all just as bad as each other. No sympathy from me for your fear-driven agenda. Why try to create more discord.? That is just plain stupidity.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:55pm

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Islam is not genuinely a religion of peace. Islam is not genuinely tolerant.

Now now, old boy, don’t you get jealous.

You’re free to be as intolerant as you wish. We’re all friends here, you know.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Emma Peel on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm

Said my piece,, so goodbye

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by issuevoter on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm

Three points:

1. I am not a follower of any religion.

2. Comparing Christianity to Islam is convenient for your argument, but I don’t see Christians sneaking into Pakistan to murder people on the street. Or murdering people for making fun of Jesus.

3. The "discord" has been created by Islam and its hatred of anything outside the dictates of the Koran, including the art, music, religion and history of other cultures.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:47am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

You appear to believe that Islam is a single, unified entity, Issuevoter. In reality it isn't and what you're forgetting is that the overwhelming majority of the victims of Islamist violence are Muslims, not non-Muslims. What we are seeing is a battle for supremacy for the Muslim Zeitgeist, not an attempt to conquer the non-Muslim one. So, how about stop talking in this way about stereotypes and tackle the reality of Muslims and Islam? It is a discordant, fractured, multiple types of Islam, down to the individual level in many cases! ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

The French have nothing to apologise for Karnal. Reclaim does. Hence my question about what it would take for you to become an apologist for the anti-Islam protestors. When it comes to Islam, you happily ignore a lot of the ideology because you stumbled across a few lies about Muslims on the internet. How is Reclaim any different?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

I encourage you to try to advocate reform within Islam, but until that happens trying to portray it to non-Muslims as benign is just misrepresenting it.

How people are dealt with depends on the context. Consider the example of Nazism. If someone promotes Nazism or it's tenets, they must be countered. If they start building gas chanbers, they should be killed.

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What if it is the entire religion that is the problem? Does being a hypocrite make them wrong?

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How does that make it any better? You might as well complain that we criticise Nazis even though millions of them died in WWII.

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What we are seeing is a battle for supremacy for the Muslim Zeitgeist, not an attempt to conquer the non-Muslim one.

Impotence does not equal benign intent Brian. Nor does it make it hurt any less when your bus explodes.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 11:29am

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

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How does that make it any better? You might as well complain that we criticise Nazis even though millions of them died in WWII.

Is this meant to mean something? Naziism was united behind a single leader who directed the entire national will towards the conquest of Europe. Islam has no single leader and it is not directed towards the conquest of anything in a single unified manner, FD. You are comparing Apples and Oranges. Perhaps you should open a fruit stand at the market?

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[quote]What we are seeing is a battle for supremacy for the Muslim Zeitgeist, not an attempt to conquer the non-Muslim one.

Impotence does not equal benign intent Brian. Nor does it make it hurt any less when your bus explodes.[/quote]

You seem to identify intent in Islam as a single, unified, directed entity. Care to point out where this single, unified, direction is coming from, today, FD? You have Sunni killing Sh'ite. Sh'ite killing Sunni. Both Sunni and Sh'ite killing the members of half a dozen or more different sects. Seems to be that Islam is in reality disjointed and lacks any single, unified, directing authority. Everybody is killing everybody else because they believe they have the only, correct form of the religion! ::) ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

I encourage you to try to advocate reform within Islam, but until that happens trying to portray it to non-Muslims as benign is just misrepresenting it

umm.... right so in principle you support muslims trying to reform Islam - but if they actually start doing that in practice, they must be howled down for misrepresenting. Interesting.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

If someone promotes Nazism or it's tenets, they must be countered. If they start building gas chanbers, they should be killed.

I'm sorry FD - are you saying that people who conspire to annihilate an entire group of people should be killed? What if they have already surrendered or if the war is over?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

I encourage you to try to advocate reform within Islam, but until that happens trying to portray it to non-Muslims as benign is just misrepresenting it

umm.... right so in principle you support muslims trying to reform Islam - but if they actually start doing that in practice, they must be howled down for misrepresenting. Interesting.

I would suggest you follow what Tarek Fatah does and tell the truth Gandalf.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by issuevoter on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

I encourage you to try to advocate reform within Islam, but until that happens trying to portray it to non-Muslims as benign is just misrepresenting it

umm.... right so in principle you support muslims trying to reform Islam - but if they actually start doing that in practice, they must be howled down for misrepresenting. Interesting.

I would suggest you follow what Tarek Fatah does and tell the truth Gandalf.

Ya gotta be kidding.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by issuevoter on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

I'll give you this much; you are articulate. But no I do not see Islam as an entity, its a frame of mind which has a varying cultural basis. The cultural differences are meaningless to the problem of continued Muslim atrocities. Here is how I see the situation now:

An intrinsic fault in the human race is that we are quite capable of believing anything, even if it is detrimental to our wellbeing. It can be argued that capitalism is detrimental when it exploits ways of killing people, but it can also be argued that societies make some effort to prevent that capacity taking charge.

Not only is no society today attempting to control the poisonous qualities in Islam, no society will officially acknowledge the problem. Twenty years of atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam against the West and other non-Muslim countries. Both Western leaders and vocal Muslims choose to explain this away as the acts of a few criminal or insane types.

Pan Arabs and associated Muslims directed their hatred at Israel in the 1950s and 60s. Because of their greater numbers and the will of God, they thought they could simply push Israel into the sea. After several ignominious defeats, the question was how could those who praise Allah be defeated? Islam sat back on its haunches with a bloody nose and began to blame the West for all its problems, and not just Israel’s existence.

It was fairly easy for the firebrands of Islam to direct the frustration of their followers at the Infidels as they call us. By the 1980 a fear spread through Islam that Western values were spreading and undermining their twelve hundred year old dogma. Under the illusion that Muslims were all equal, all they had to do was refer the faithful to the Koran. It would be ingenious if it was the work of a central authority, but it does not need such a directory. This view cites the Infidel and perhaps the Apostate as the only obstacles between the faithful and the earthly paradise of Mohammed’s psychotic delusion; a frame of mind in which he thought he was in touch with, and being directed by, a supreme being.

The Islamic delusion also states that the faithful are fulfilling God’s will, therefore they are doing what is right as it is already “written by God.” This is where murder and suicide are legitimised in their minds. When they bow down to Mecca they are not praying for the good of mankind.

Having prompted some rather feeble military responses to their attacks, Muslims now turn around use revenge as a justification for indiscriminate atrocities. It is probable that most young adults today do not remember a world without the threat of being blown to bits as pedestrians on the street by some fanatic spouting the defense of the real God and Mohammed. People may even become desensitized to the violence as if the daily news is just an extension of their video games. But a worse state of affairs is the one where the violence is shrugged off as inevitable, as if there is nowhere to place the blame.

Muslim brothers like Gandalf adopt the mannerisms of Western Objectivity to take advantage of those who wish to believe Islam is tolerant of other cultures. I stress “wish,” because being human they are quite capable of turning a blind eye to that which threatens them. Combining numbers of the timid and the appeasers it looks as if Islamic frame of mind is being successful, so they would have little to complain about if not for their own paranoia.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 1:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

If someone promotes Nazism or it's tenets, they must be countered. If they start building gas chanbers, they should be killed.

I'm sorry FD - are you saying that people who conspire to annihilate an entire group of people should be killed?

Not if they’re against the Myselman, no. And if they are the Muselman -

Kill them.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 2:28pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I'll give you this much; you are articulate.

Thank you.

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But no I do not see Islam as an entity, its a frame of mind which has a varying cultural basis.

Yet you write as if you do see it as an entity. Indeed, most people do. Islam is not Christianity. There is no Pope, no Archbishop of Canterbury, no Grand Patriarch. The closest you get is a college of Imans and even that is voluntary. They can make directives but obeying them is voluntary as well. Muslims speak basically for themselves or their congregations, nothing more. When the media publishes a statement from a Muslim, no other Muslim has to accept it.

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The cultural differences are meaningless to the problem of continued Muslim atrocities.

However, they are. Muslim atrocities occur usually because of local conditions/complaints, not because they are being directed. When IS claims a Terrorist attack as one of their own, invariably it is them taking advantage of an individual's act(s). The individual may have done them to support IS but in reality they are almost completely unconnected. Al Q'aeda was much closer to a centrally commanded Terrorist group and even that was done on the basis of "franchises" which utilised localised Islamist Terrorist groups, each with their own, individual complaint as to why they existed and did things.

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Here is how I see the situation now:

An intrinsic fault in the human race is that we are quite capable of believing anything, even if it is detrimental to our wellbeing. It can be argued that capitalism is detrimental when it exploits ways of killing people, but it can also be argued that societies make some effort to prevent that capacity taking charge.

Not only is no society today attempting to control the poisonous qualities in Islam, no society will officially acknowledge the problem. Twenty years of atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam against the West and other non-Muslim countries. Both Western leaders and vocal Muslims choose to explain this away as the acts of a few criminal or insane types.

Yet you consider them to be automatically wrong. Despite their intimate knowledge of the motivators which motivate the individual doing the acts, you put it all down to their belief in Islam, no matter any other factor. You don't think that is rather Islamophobic of you? Do you believe the same thing when a Christian commits a Terrorist act?

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Pan Arabs and associated Muslims directed their hatred at Israel in the 1950s and 60s. Because of their greater numbers and the will of God, they thought they could simply push Israel into the sea. After several ignominious defeats, the question was how could those who praise Allah be defeated? Islam sat back on its haunches with a bloody nose and began to blame the West for all its problems, and not just Israel’s existence.

Some do. Most don't. Care to explain how Egypt and Jordan, both Muslim nations were able to respectively sign separate peace treaties with Israel?

Moreover, what did Israel and the Palestinian Question have to do with say, 11 September? While bin Laden threw it in, as a reason why his group committed that Terrorist Act, it was more of an afterthought than a dedicated belief/reason. ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

bin Laden being a Saudi was mainly motivated by the presense of US military bases in Saudi Arabia. Thats why he attacked the US. And then lo and behold the US withdrew from Saudi Arabia. Gosh - does that mean bin Laden won?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

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;D

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umm.... right so in principle you support muslims trying to reform Islam - but if they actually start doing that in practice, they must be howled down for misrepresenting. Interesting.

You are not reforming Islam. You are offering mindnumbing platitudes to non-Muslims.

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I'm sorry FD - are you saying that people who conspire to annihilate an entire group of people should be killed? What if they have already surrendered or if the war is over?

I see you are getting a handle on this context thing Gandalf. Well done. What do you think the answer is?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 6:21pm

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

I see you are getting a handle on this context thing Gandalf. Well done. What do you think the answer is?

I don't know FD thats why I'm asking. I was rather taken aback by your statement that people who build gas chambers should be killed. Fair enough - but what about after they are caught? Do you support the Nuremberg verdicts?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Yeah, Islam is at war with itself.

Everyone knows that.

But why are non-Muslims countries drawn into this war? I am happy for Muslims to stay in their own Muslim countries and duke it out to the death.

I am not happy about them coming to the West bringing their war with them and living it their internal conflicts here.

Leave Islam behind if you want to come to the West.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Islam is not genuinely a religion of peace. Islam is not genuinely tolerant.

Now now, old boy, don’t you get jealous.

You’re free to be as intolerant as you wish. We’re all friends here, you know.

;D ;D ;D ;D
So if I say that Islam is intolerant then I am intolerant.

If I say you are a wife beater then I am a wife beater.

Genius. Must be your own idea, PB, it smack of your unique stupidity.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:09pm

Emma wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

You are no different to those radicals in any religion. You think you are different..? you are not.
GOD.. look at what Christians have done, and still do, in the name of their God.

So murdering random people in the name of god or NOT murdering random people in the name of god is now the SAME thing and you cannot see any difference, no matter how hard you look or how often your nose is rubbed into it??

For people like you it is convenient to simply give a limp-wristed waive of the hand than to actually think and address concrete events.

Patheitic - and more so having millions like you in the West.

There are no limp-wristed, enervated 'it's all the same' useless drongos like you in places where people are actually killed for expressing slightly unorthodox views. You shelter in your ignorance and your utter disdain and contempt for those who actually live and die because of what they believe.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:12pm

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Islam is only part of the reason why they fight, Soren. Something you'd realise as soon as you study the history of the Middle-East and South Asia. Regional conflicts, tribal conflicts, etc. also have a hand in their wars. Most come to the West to escape those wars, its the West's interference which brings it into conflict with most Muslims in most Muslim countries. Drones droning overhead, unleashing death at an instant have done more to create more Terrorists than anything the Muslims could have done themselves. ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

You appear to believe that Islam is a single, unified entity, Issuevoter.

No.

Islam DOES have a single, unifying doctrine. But Muslims have developed an uncanny ability to be utterly slippery and dishonest about what that core actually is.

There would be no Islam and no Muslims without some unifying principle. They know what it is, you know what it is, I know what it is.

But OWNING up to it is a tricky thing because that would require honesty about the core, the aim, the nature of Islam - not something Muslims are keen on while they are in the Dar Al Harb. In the the Dar AL Islam, they have no problem expressing what that horrifying unifying doctrine is - look at Saudi, Iran, the Hizbies, Hamas, Hiballah, ISIL.

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Soren on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Fuelled by Islam.

It is certainly not a calming... er... peaceful influence, is it??

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by freediver on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 10:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 6:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

I see you are getting a handle on this context thing Gandalf. Well done. What do you think the answer is?

Yes, with the proviso that I am not familiar with any of the details.

Quote:

What other reasons do you think the 100 or so Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east (just like Muhammed) have?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Karnal on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 11:41pm

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Islam is not genuinely a religion of peace. Islam is not genuinely tolerant.

Now now, old boy, don’t you get jealous.

You’re free to be as intolerant as you wish. We’re all friends here, you know.

;D ;D ;D ;D
So if I say that Islam is intolerant then I am intolerant.

Did you say Islam is intolerant, dear boy?

Well, that does it. We’ll have to add that to your list. Islam, the tinted races, the Chinese, dirty little inverts, filthy degenerates, people with beards, post-colonialists, progs,. PBs - have I left anyone out?

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Secret Wars on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:11am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

But in another thread you were arguing that the US military is a Christian army committing atrocities for religious reasons. ::) ::)

I see, islamic atrocities are subtle and nuanced and not to further religious agendas, american atrocities are done for religion. ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by gandalf on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 9:27am

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

But in another thread you were arguing that the US military is a Christian army committing atrocities for religious reasons

I don't think so

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 12:36pm

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Fuelled by Islam.

It is certainly not a calming... er... peaceful influence, is it??

So, using that metaphor, Soren, what was the calming peaceful influence of Christianity in Northern Ireland? Or in Mexico today? ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

But in another thread you were arguing that the US military is a Christian army committing atrocities for religious reasons. ::) ::)

Did I? Care to provide a link to where I said that? ::)

Title: Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Post by Secret Wars on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

But in another thread you were arguing that the US military is a Christian army committing atrocities for religious reasons

I don't think so

I don't think so either, none the less, here is the dope trying to knit an equivalency to religous inspired violence and a christian army.

:)
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 11:55am:

Who were the perpetrators, who were the victims?

Who's dead, who's holding the gun?

To give some proportion to the numbers of civilian dead in Iraq in 2003:

Who's holding the gun in Afghanistan in 2001-2011? Who is dead?

Soren and Sprint, it was (primarily) Christians who killed these Muslims, often in state sanctioned massacres, utilising high-tech weaponry without care as to what "collateral" damage they inflicted.

As much as you claim Christianity has "no Army" the reality is quite a bit different, Sprint.

As much as you claim I have lied, there are tens of thousands, millions perhaps photos which demonstrate otherwise, Soren.

Now, why don't you grow up, both of you and stop denying the reality of what the rest of the world has seen? ::)

Onward marches Brians christian soldiers.