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Message started by The Mechanic on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:55pm

Title: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:55pm
;D ;DRecord Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming Claims

Yet another bitterly cold, snowy winter is destroying alarmist global warming claims, proving once again that over-the-top global warming predictions are proving no more scientifically credible than snake oil.

This morning, stunning photos show New England lobster boats frozen in port, looking like they are stranded deep within the Arctic Circle. The boats have been frozen in place for weeks, which would be remarkable enough if this were the middle of January. However, the calendar is about to turn to March.

Connecticut is experiencing its coldest February in recorded history. So is Michigan. So is Toronto. Cleveland and Chicago are experiencing their second coldest February in recorded history. Frigid and record cold temperatures are being set from Key West to International Falls. At the same time, blizzard after blizzard is burying much of the nation with record winter snow totals, with winter snowfall records beings set from Boston to Denver.

Global warming activists are in full-throttle damage control, desperately claiming global warming causes record snow and cold.  ;D

The Center for American Progress claimed, “climate change may have affected the [Boston] snowstorm — may have made it more likely, may have made it worse than it would have been without so much greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.”  ;D

National Geographic published an article titled, “Blizzard of Nor’easters No Surprise, Thanks to Climate Change.”

“How global warming can worsen snowfalls,” read a Boston Globe headline. (oh boy.. stop it ;D )

Global warming alarmists’ own prior global warming claims, however, indict their current claims.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stated very clearly, “Milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.” Well, winters are clearly not becoming milder or bereft of heavy snowstorms.

Many global warming activists are still attempting to defend the discredited IPCC prediction, claiming a single winter does not invalidate a long-term trend. As the Union of Concerned Scientists claimed, “Winters have generally been warming faster than other seasons in the United States and recent research indicates that climate change” is causing it. The problem with such an assertion is that last winter was exceptionally cold and snowy, too. And winters nationwide have been getting colder for the past 20 years. Objective scientific data show winters have been getting colder and colder throughout the United States for the past two decades. When global warming alarmists claim winters will become warmer and free of snow, yet their predictions are proven false for 20 years in a row,   :o at some point logical people come to realize that global warming alarmists are selling snake oil. 

It is not just the winter, either. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data show the United States has been cooling for the past decade. Nor is it just the United States defying alarmist predictions. Global temperature data show no global warming since the late 1990s and very little global warming for the past 45 years.

Another global warming activist tactic is to argue that global warming actually causes more snow.  ;D Of course, this is exactly the opposite of what they used to claim, as shown in the IPCC prediction. Moreover, real-world scientific data prove their new claims false. Global warming activists argue that warmer air can hold more moisture, so winter snow storms that used to bring 12 inches of snow now bring 14 inches of snow. The problem with this new assertion is – as documented above – winter temperatures are substantially colder now than they used to be. Global warming activists cannot claim recent record snowfalls are caused by warmer winters when winters are in fact much colder than they used to be.

The most meaningful lesson from the unusually cold and snowy recent winters is that global warming is so minor as to be barely noticeable. When temperatures rise merely a fraction of one degree, the polar ice caps won’t melt, the oceanic conveyor belt will not shut down, alligators will not take up residence in Montana, cats will not start living with dogs, and winters will not suddenly disappear. We will still have very cold and snowy winters. We will still have hot summers. Your grandfather will still claim that to make it to school each day he walked barefoot through the snow, uphill each way.

Global warming alarmists will still try to sell their snake oil, hoping you will forget that tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, snow, and heat waves all really did occur prior to 1988. Most of these events actually occurred more frequently in decades past. And global warming activists will try to induce you to forget their prior snake-oil predictions, like the warm and snow-free predictions issued by the IPCC. They claim every weather and climate event – whether warmth or cold, rain or shine – is caused by global warming. Global warming is the new snake oil that soulless hucksters on the Western frontier claimed applied to every malady a person could experience.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by The Mechanic on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:57pm

Quote:
In the classic movie The Outlaw Josey Wales, a carpet-bagging snake oil salesman claimed his product cures cramps, wounds, hangovers, and “just about everything.” Clint Eastwood, playing Josey Wales, then spit a mouthful of dark brown tobacco juice on the snake oil salesman’s bright white jacket and asked, “How is it with stains?”

This makes one think of failed and all-encompassing global warming predictions. Heck, it makes one think of the entire alarmist global warming movement – how is it with stains?


[Note: This article has been updated, adding more specific examples of global warming spin-control.]

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Very_Vinnie on Jul 21st, 2015 at 7:18pm
The O.P. is by James Taylor - of the Koch Brothers bank-rolled Heartland Institute

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute

... it is NOT a 'weather report'

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Pho Huc on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:24pm
google australian snow depth by year.
Then explain how that doesn't correlate with global warming.


Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:27pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:55pm:
  Global temperature data show no global warming since the late 1990s and very little global warming for the past 45 years.


Yes.  of course it does...

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Ajax on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:36pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Quote:
In the classic movie The Outlaw Josey Wales, a carpet-bagging snake oil salesman claimed his product cures cramps, wounds, hangovers, and “just about everything.” Clint Eastwood, playing Josey Wales, then spit a mouthful of dark brown tobacco juice on the snake oil salesman’s bright white jacket and asked, “How is it with stains?”

This makes one think of failed and all-encompassing global warming predictions. Heck, it makes one think of the entire alarmist global warming movement – how is it with stains?


[Note: This article has been updated, adding more specific examples of global warming spin-control.]


1. Climate change is real it has been going on since the Earth was formed.

2. Anthropogenic Global Warming is the oligarchies mythology to tax us on the air we breath.

3. AGW a bit like the snake oil.....LOL.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sh0wr7HH8Y

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by The_Barnacle on Jul 21st, 2015 at 9:47pm
hilarious mechanic

you are trying to discredit the indisputable global warming trend by posting some local weather.
You have no idea  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 8:03am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Quote:
In the classic movie The Outlaw Josey Wales, a carpet-bagging snake oil salesman claimed his product cures cramps, wounds, hangovers, and “just about everything.” Clint Eastwood, playing Josey Wales, then spit a mouthful of dark brown tobacco juice on the snake oil salesman’s bright white jacket and asked, “How is it with stains?”

This makes one think of failed and all-encompassing global warming predictions. Heck, it makes one think of the entire alarmist global warming movement – how is it with stains?


[Note: This article has been updated, adding more specific examples of global warming spin-control.]

Silly argument. There were buffoons like you and Ajax who ridiculed Edward Jenner when he told them you could protect yourself from smallpox by injecting yourself with cowpox pus. SCIENCE, not snake oil salesmen, are telling you that we are causing global warming and the snake oil salesmen (the same ones who wrote your stupid OP) are those who are desperate to protect their multi trillion dollar fossil fuel industry.  Indeed, its your susceptibility to snake oil salesmen that is doing a lot of damage.   

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming.  An inconvenient truth to say the least.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:51am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming.  An inconvenient truth to say the least.



Time to bring out that rubbish graph again

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by longweekend58 on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:09am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming.  An inconvenient truth to say the least.



Time to bring out that rubbish graph again



you mean EVERY surface temperature graph?  EVERY SINGLE ONE??  the jerks on here regularly bring out temperature graphs that end at 2000 and yell 'ta da'!!!  or slightly better, produce a graph from 1850 and fail to notice the far end where temperatures are NOT rising.

So bring out any graph you want. they all say the same thing.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming.  An inconvenient truth to say the least.

No.  We are not entering out 18th year of no warming.

Repeating this silly lie does not make it true.

Remember - you told us NOAA, NASA, MET and BOM all agree that there has been a "pause in global warming".  Are you ever going to show us evidence of this?  Ever?
(of course you won't.  And we both know why - don't we)

Do you really think people don't notice what a terrible liar you are?

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Stratos on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming. 


Can you source that?  Because I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by lee on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:52pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:27pm:
Yes.  of course it does...



Interesting graphic. Seems to go to 2010. Seems to show 1998 as the hottest year evah. Basically tracking sideways since.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Unforgiven on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:53pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 9:47pm:
hilarious mechanic

you are trying to discredit the indisputable global warming trend by posting some local weather.
You have no idea  ;D ;D ;D ;D


The mechanic is a bonehead. He has posted on Ozpolitic that the summer trajectory of the sun is South of his house in Victoria.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:57pm

lee wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:52pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:27pm:
Yes.  of course it does...



Interesting graphic. Seems to go to 2010. Seems to show 1998 as the hottest year evah. Basically tracking sideways since.

You really are clueless aren't you?

Or are you just Longweekend posting under another name?

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by innocentbystander. on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 1:00pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming. 


Can you source that?  Because I'm pretty sure that is incorrect.



It is incorrect now that the margin of error has been reduced to zero.  ;D

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by lee on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 1:10pm
'Box 9.2: Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global-Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years
The observed global-mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than over the past 30 to 60 years (Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.20, Table 2.7; Figure 9.8; Box 9.2 Box 9.2 Figure 1a,c).'

'Hiatus periods of 10–15 years can arise as a manifestation of internal decadal climate variability, which sometimes enhances and sometimes counteracts the long-term externally forced trend. Internal variability thus diminishes the relevance of trends over periods as short as 10–15 years for long-term climate change (Box 2.2, Section 2.4.3).'

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_Chapter09.pdf

So the hiatus is the change in the trend.  If we compare the trend 1979-1998 to 1998-current; the trend has changed. there is an hiatus. The IPCC admits to this. There have been over 50 papers attempting to explain this.

Apparently natural variation can explain the hiatus, but can't explain any speed up in climate change; it is a one way only variation. (Sarc)

Then of course if we look at the early 20th century warming trend 1918-40 (approx), the trend is very similar. But IPCC says CO2 only caused the spike in the second half of the century. What caused the early 20th century warming?

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by Sir lastnail on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:12pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:55pm:
;D ;DRecord Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming Claims

Yet another bitterly cold, snowy winter is destroying alarmist global warming claims, proving once again that over-the-top global warming predictions are proving no more scientifically credible than snake oil.


Depends which side of the fence you are sitting ;)

I'm in Malaysia at the moment and it's as hot as hell. Europe is experiencing a heatwave like no other !! There is no mini ice age here sorry to say. Global warming and extreme weather events are happening as predicted by the science !!

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by The_Barnacle on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:21pm

lee wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:52pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:27pm:
Yes.  of course it does...



Interesting graphic. Seems to go to 2010. Seems to show 1998 as the hottest year evah. Basically tracking sideways since.


1998 was an exceptionally hot el nino year. That is why the deniers always start their graphs from there. They dishonestly cherry pick their data.

last year eclipsed 1998 and this year is well on the way to being hotter yet. However it is the long term trend that is important. Not cherry picked graphs.




Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by lee on Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:31am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:21pm:
1998 was an exceptionally hot el nino year. That is why the deniers always start their graphs from there. They dishonestly cherry pick their data.



Actually, what they do is start at the present and work backwards to find when the divergence begins.

But conspiracy theorists have to keep making new or repeating old conspiracies.

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:56pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:24pm:
google australian snow depth by year.
Then explain how that doesn't correlate with global warming.

Got a reliable source for the figures?

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming.  An inconvenient truth to say the least.

source, thanx!

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 24th, 2015 at 12:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 10:09am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 9:49am:
and yet we are entering out 18th year of no warming.  An inconvenient truth to say the least.



Time to bring out that rubbish graph again



you mean EVERY surface temperature graph?  EVERY SINGLE ONE??  the jerks on here regularly bring out temperature graphs that end at 2000 and yell 'ta da'!!!  or slightly better, produce a graph from 1850 and fail to notice the far end where temperatures are NOT rising.

So bring out any graph you want. they all say the same thing.

Don't you like giving sources?  ;) ;)

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by oHTheStenchofCopperInternet on Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:00pm

lee wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 11:31am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 10:21pm:
1998 was an exceptionally hot el nino year. That is why the deniers always start their graphs from there. They dishonestly cherry pick their data.



Actually, what they do is start at the present and work backwards to find when the divergence begins.

But conspiracy theorists have to keep making new or repeating old conspiracies.

You mean they don't look for 30 year trends?  :D :D

Title: Re: 2015 Record Cold And Snow Destroy Global Warming
Post by lee on Jul 24th, 2015 at 1:37pm
30 years is WMO period for climate. A trend does not need 30 years to show. Of course you are free to disagree with the IPCC. I have no problems with that.

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