I'm not into religion but I can sympathise with these people. Reminds me of the same kind of cr@p I went through when I was a practicing catholic. Wow. Am I glad those days are behind me
   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q1Mp8HM7eo

I know what you mean. It's like a load lifted off your shoulders.

Now I can swear and not feel guilty.....I would just to prove it.....but freediver will ban me.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

I know what you mean. It's like a load lifted off your shoulders. Now I can swear and not feel guilty.....I would just to prove it.....but freediver will ban me.

I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 3:58pm: I know what you mean. It's like a load lifted off your shoulders. Now I can swear and not feel guilty.....I would just to prove it.....but freediver will ban me. I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS

Same ... although i've had persistent problems with guilt from being raised Catholic ... gets under your skin.

Still, i've gotta say that some of my favourite values come from my religious upbringing but i've little doubt i would have formed them on my own (without the guilt chip kicking in) if left to my own devicess.

mothra wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:09pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 3:58pm: I know what you mean. It's like a load lifted off your shoulders. Now I can swear and not feel guilty.....I would just to prove it.....but freediver will ban me. I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS Same ... although i've had persistent problems with guilt from being raised Catholic ... gets under your skin. Still, i've gotta say that some of my favourite values come from my religious upbringing but i've little doubt i would have formed them on my own (without the guilt chip kicking in) if left to my own devicess.

Yeah, what do they say; "What doesnt kill you makes you strong". Still, I don't think you ever really get rid of it totally. There's always bits of it lurking in the subconscious.   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS

You have just replaced it with global warming evangelism.  ;D

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 7:43pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:09pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 3:58pm: I know what you mean. It's like a load lifted off your shoulders. Now I can swear and not feel guilty.....I would just to prove it.....but freediver will ban me. I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS Same ... although i've had persistent problems with guilt from being raised Catholic ... gets under your skin. Still, i've gotta say that some of my favourite values come from my religious upbringing but i've little doubt i would have formed them on my own (without the guilt chip kicking in) if left to my own devicess. Yeah, what do they say; "What doesnt kill you makes you strong". Still, I don't think you ever really get rid of it totally. There's always bits of it lurking in the subconscious.

I know i haven't. I notice it kicking in every so often .. or my friends catch me out.

It's a pretty good brain-washing, all in all.

I was only involved with the church for a couple of years.....I don't really know why, it was totally alien to my belief system and my inner conscience, thank goodness my conscience and good sense won over in the end. I did the right thing and wrote to the church advising them of my resignation.....you should have seen the reply letter, stuck inside a birthday card, of all things lol!!!!....if I had any doubts, that would have settled them once and for all.

It's only when you get out that you see clearly. It's the same as when people escape other more extreme cults.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Yeah, what do they say; "What doesnt kill you makes you strong". Still, I don't think you ever really get rid of it totally. There's always bits of it lurking in the subconscious.

Exactly.

That's why I use Revo Uninstaller to uninstall all my unwanted applications. It digs deep into the guts of the Hard Drive to winkle out all those little traces that would otherwise still remain.

Ever tried clearing your flower beds of Onion Weed? Know what I mean? You pull a clump out but a whole mob of tiny little Onion Weed bulbs remain in the soil ...

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:46am:

It's only when you get out that you see clearly. It's the same as when people escape other more extreme cults.

Exactly.

When I finally retired from work I looked back and wondered how I could have been sucked in and brainwashed into a life-time in the workplace instead of opting for a life of leisure in a remote area as a Life Style Choice on the dole.

I finally unfettered myself from the stultifying shackles of Religion when I was about 13 - 14 in boarding school. Getting caned at least once a month made it a lot easier to abandon the idea of a caring and just God. To this day I believe not even a solitary one of my canings was deserved.

I wondered why my caner never got caned himself. I doubt he was an Immaculate Conception - and so who was caning the caner, I asked myself.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 25th, 2015 at 7:46am: It's only when you get out that you see clearly. It's the same as when people escape other more extreme cults. Exactly. When I finally retired from work I looked back and wondered how I could have been sucked in and brainwashed into a life-time in the workplace instead of opting for a life of leisure in a remote area as a Life Style Choice on the dole. I finally unfettered myself from the stultifying shackles of Religion when I was about 13 - 14 in boarding school. Getting caned at least once a month made it a lot easier to abandon the idea of a caring and just God. To this day I believe not even a solitary one of my canings was deserved. I wondered why my caner never got caned himself. I doubt he was an Immaculate Conception - and so who was caning the caner, I asked myself.

If you went to a catholic school and only got caned once a month, you would have been teacher's pet or Brother's toy boy . 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

I'm not into religion but I can sympathise with these people. Reminds me of the same kind of cr@p I went through when I was a practicing catholic.

I have more sympathy for those who have to pretend to believe in something they don't agree with due to the death penalty and persecution for apostasy.

This lady is a champion for womens rights and one of the best critics of Islam,she was raised as a muslim in Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO2NGpIUe70

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:15pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:47am: I'm not into religion but I can sympathise with these people. Reminds me of the same kind of cr@p I went through when I was a practicing catholic. I have more sympathy for those who have to pretend to believe in something they don't agree with due to the death penalty and persecution for apostasy. This lady is a champion for womens rights and one of the best critics of Islam,she was raised as a muslim in Syria.

As usual you miss the point. Being as fanatical as you are can make you blind like that. 

Here are some more awkward moments from last Ramadan:

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http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/630w/558ec9ce096c0.JPG

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

Here are some more awkward moments from last Ramadan: http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/10150745_963783563665662_5133601110464039274_n.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIMtXXiWoAAKrbY.png http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/630w/558ec9ce096c0.JPG

They were funny the first time FD but you're ever going to get rid of your day job you need to get some new material.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

They were funny the first time FD but you're ever going to get rid of your day job you need to get some new material.

He's got some new material ... you!  :)

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:09pm: I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS You have just replaced it with global warming evangelism.  ;D

Remember itsazoo.tv?  The monkey character who was addicted to video games, in the episode in which the test for the house was to not get into their addiction, turned to television evangelists as a substitute...

Jake the Pig..

Rico the South American crocodile...

https://vimeo.com/3073187

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:59am: They were funny the first time FD but you're ever going to get rid of your day job you need to get some new material. He's got some new material ... you!  :)

Actually No. We're all still fully occupied still laughing at you. Mountains of inexhaustible material there and you make it so easy  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 9:03pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 4:09pm: I'll never forget the sense of freedom I felt when I decided it was all BS You have just replaced it with global warming evangelism.  ;D Remember itsazoo.tv?  The monkey character who was addicted to video games, in the episode in which the test for the house was to not get into their addiction, turned to television evangelists as a substitute... Jake the Pig.. Rico the South American crocodile... https://vimeo.com/3073187

So what are you saying Grap. Those cartoons are your source of information on Climate Change. Do you and bystander share the Popcorn? Let me guess. He likes more butter so it slips in easily 

Even no global warming isn't enough to convince you that there is no global warming  ;D





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ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 8:15pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:47am: I'm not into religion but I can sympathise with these people. Reminds me of the same kind of cr@p I went through when I was a practicing catholic. I have more sympathy for those who have to pretend to believe in something they don't agree with due to the death penalty and persecution for apostasy. This lady is a champion for womens rights and one of the best critics of Islam,she was raised as a muslim in Syria. As usual you miss the point. Being as fanatical as you are can make you blind like that.

You missed the point.

Any comments on what Wafa Sultan says about Islam and why she speaks out about it or do you think only Christianity should be able to be criticised?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 8:20pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 26th, 2015 at 8:15pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:47am: I'm not into religion but I can sympathise with these people. Reminds me of the same kind of cr@p I went through when I was a practicing catholic. I have more sympathy for those who have to pretend to believe in something they don't agree with due to the death penalty and persecution for apostasy. This lady is a champion for womens rights and one of the best critics of Islam,she was raised as a muslim in Syria. As usual you miss the point. Being as fanatical as you are can make you blind like that.  You missed the point. Any comments on what Wafa Sultan says about Islam and why she speaks out about it or do you think only Christianity should be able to be criticised?

No silly. What I'm saying is that anything she has to say about islam is equally applicable (not more applicable, not less applicable but equally applicable) to christianity and religion generally. And not necessarily in specifics (I don't care that "most" christians no longer persecutes apostasy) but fundamentally they are the same. You want me to believe that Islam is worse and I'm telling you all religions are as bad as each other and that there was a time when chistianity ferociously persecuted apostasy and there is no reason to believe that in the future it would not return to doing so because that is the nature of religion. Follow!

Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed?

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed?

In detail, yes but not in kind and I'm not sure how that's relevant. The thing is what has grown up around them is religion which has been passed down through the ages and employed by religious people doing the kind of things that religious people do

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed? In detail, yes but not in kind and I'm not sure how that's relevant. The thing is what has grown up around them is religion which has been passed down through the ages and employed by religious people doing the kind of things that religious people do

Haha. Excellent joke. Out of all of the major religions, I would have to say Muhammad is the worst of the leaders/figureheads. The best, imho, is Jesus. Buddha would be runner-up. Krishna is a bit mixed, but still well ahead of Muhammad. Muhammad would rank dead last. I'd even vote the capricious gods of the Greco-Roman religions over him.

MumboJumbo wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 10:48pm: freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed? In detail, yes but not in kind and I'm not sure how that's relevant. The thing is what has grown up around them is religion which has been passed down through the ages and employed by religious people doing the kind of things that religious people do Haha. Excellent joke. Out of all of the major religions, I would have to say Muhammad is the worst of the leaders/figureheads. The best, imho, is Jesus. Buddha would be runner-up. Krishna is a bit mixed, but still well ahead of Muhammad. Muhammad would rank dead last. I'd even vote the capricious gods of the Greco-Roman religions over him.

About the Judaic God, Yahweh?   He's a plenty mean dude, killing people by the million!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed? In detail, yes but not in kind and I'm not sure how that's relevant. The thing is what has grown up around them is religion which has been passed down through the ages and employed by religious people doing the kind of things that religious people do

Ah, so the teachings of Muhammed and Jesus are irrelevant to the religions of Islam and Christianity?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: Do you not see a significant difference between the life and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed? In detail, yes but not in kind and I'm not sure how that's relevant. The thing is what has grown up around them is religion which has been passed down through the ages and employed by religious people doing the kind of things that religious people do

Do you see any difference between any set of ideas in kind, even as they may differ in detail?

You sound like the cab driver in the Woody Allen movie, Anything Else:

Jerry Falk: I was just saying how strange life is, how it's full of inexplicable mystery.
Cab Driver: Well, you know, it's like anything else.


Christianity, Isam, atheism, Scientology, life, death, voodoo, cannibalism, nasty, kind - it's all like anything else.  Must not notice differences because noticing differences is discrimination - telling the difference. And that's bad. Distinguishing between peoples, customs, ideas is bad because it is discrimination.

So everything is like everything else. That's a safe place to be.