A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate.

Hamilton County prosecutor Joseph Deters called the July 19 death of Samuel Dubose, 43, "senseless" and "totally unwarranted."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/29/us-usa-police-ohio-idUSKCN0Q31ZL20150729

There should be some more secure ways of affixing number plates that's for sure.

"I've been doing this for 30 years," Deters said after meeting with Dubose's family.

"This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make, totally unwarranted."

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

There should be some more secure ways of affixing number plates that's for sure.

Maybe US police cars should have a roof rack to accumulate the bodies of black traffic offenders until the cops return to base.

You people are always wanting to put your hands in the taxpayers' pockets for more expense.
What's wrong with just pushing them off to the side of the road.

The police over there seem completely out of control. A couple of days ago i heard (and saw) on the news of a black woman who was pulled over and brutalised for failing to indicate when changing lanes.

See the absolutely shocking video of her arrest here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-22/video-shows-traffic-stop-of-woman-who-died-in-texas-jail/6639798

Three days later she was found dead in her cell .. allegedly a suicide. Her family say suggestions that she was suicidal are preposterous, tat she was really excited to be starting a new job.

Anyway, arrested and held in custody for 3 days for failing to indicate? Seems bizarre.

mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

The police over there seem completely out of control. A couple of days ago i heard (and saw) on the news of a black woman who was pulled over and brutalised for failing to indicate when changing lanes. See the absolutely shocking video of her arrest here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-22/video-shows-traffic-stop-of-woman-who-died-in-texas-jail/6639798 Three days later she was found dead in her cell .. allegedly a suicide. Her family say suggestions that she was suicidal are preposterous, tat she was really excited to be starting a new job. Anyway, arrested and held in custody for 3 days for failing to indicate? Seems bizarre.

He (the trooper) then points a Taser and shouts: "I will light you up."

"The trooper involved in the incident is white."      :o

I blame Abbott  :D

Have you got some problem with police practices in general greg? Or is it US police in particular?
Would you like them to be disarmed? I'm sure MR Obama would be happy to do that if he wasn't such a powerless, limp-wristed waste of space.

This chart explains why black people fear being killed by the police
Updated by German Lopez on July 29, 2015, 2:25 p.m.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/10/8382457/police-shootings-racism

"An analysis of the available FBI data by Vox's Dara Lind shows that US police kill black people at disproportionate rates: Black people accounted for 31 percent of police shooting victims in 2012, even though they made up just 13 percent of the US population.

Although the data is incomplete, since it's based on voluntary reports from police agencies around the country, it highlights the vast disparities in how police use force.

Black teens were 21 times more likely than white teens to be shot and killed by police between 2010 and 2012, according to a ProPublica analysis of the FBI data. ProPublica's Ryan Gabrielson, Ryann Grochowski Jones, and Eric Sagara reported: "One way of appreciating that stark disparity, ProPublica's analysis shows, is to calculate how many more whites over those three years would have had to have been killed for them to have been at equal risk. The number is jarring — 185, more than one per week."

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

Have you got some problem with police practices in general greg? Or is it US police in particular?

I have a problem with police officers, anywhere in the world, killing unarmed people who have committed minor traffic offences.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 11:04am: Have you got some problem with police practices in general greg? Or is it US police in particular? I have a problem with police officers, anywhere in the world, killing unarmed people who have committed minor traffic offences.

But you have stated before that you think its great that the government turns the coppers into little revenue raising nazis that must fine people over the slightest infringement and thats what this copper was trying to do.   

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 11:21am: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 11:04am: Have you got some problem with police practices in general greg? Or is it US police in particular? I have a problem with police officers, anywhere in the world, killing unarmed people who have committed minor traffic offences. But you have stated before that you think its great that the government turns the coppers into little revenue raising nazis that must fine people over the slightest infringement and thats what this copper was trying to do.

Raising revenue is a little different to killing unarmed citizens.

Don't you think?

I support police fining people for traffic offences.

I do not support them killing unarmed citizens for minor traffic offences.

Citizens should be able to go about their business without being harassed by police for utterly trivial matters in order to raise revenue.

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Citizens should be able to go about their business without being harassed by police for utterly trivial matters in order to raise revenue.

Indeed.

However, traffic offences aren't just about revenue.

They're also about safety.

Citizens should be booked for traffic offences, without being killed by the police.

Just to clarify, Deters job is to make his side of the argument the most compelling. His job is to only offer one side of the argument and to make the defendant look as bad as he possibly can.

The black driver broke five laws ...

1. Not having a licence plate on the front.

2. Not carrying a Driver's Licence on his person.

3. Disobeying a police officers by refusing to unbuckle his seat belt.

4. Resisting arrest by holding the door closed against the policeman's attempts to open it.

5. Attempting to flee the scene by rolling the car forward.

And then these black folk wonder why they get into trouble with the law all the time.

Sheesh.

We've been over similar scenarios again and again. What more does it take for these black people to wake up to the fact that when approached by a white police officer you do what he tells you to do.

It really is that simple.

None of these shootings and bashings would have taken place if   .... (all together now) .... these dumb f***s had simply ...

done what the police officers had told them to do.

Don't argue.
Don't resist arrest.
Don't try to flee the scene.

These blacks getting killed is Darwin's Law of Culling the Idiots from the Gene Pool.

This latest black broke 5 laws - with the result that Darwin cancelled his ticket.

It reminds me of the Palestinian's who complain every time they fire rockets at Israel the Israeli's retaliate by killings heaps of Palestinians. Same here, every time they fight and resist the police they get shot and cant work out why.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

It reminds me of the Palestinian's who complain every time they fire rockets at Israel the Israeli's retaliate by killings heaps of Palestinians. Same here, every time they fight and resist the police they get shot and cant work out why.

Incredible, isn't it?

The news services carry the story of blacks being shot by white policemen for days on end.

Riots.
Court cases.
Interviews.
Sackings.
Media saturation.

The various media are saturated by these stories in the aftermath of a shooting ... but still there are blacks giving young, white, gun-toting, uniformed policemen 'attitude' when they are stopped for questioning.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:55pm: It reminds me of the Palestinian's who complain every time they fire rockets at Israel the Israeli's retaliate by killings heaps of Palestinians. Same here, every time they fight and resist the police they get shot and cant work out why. Incredible, isn't it? The news services carry the story of blacks being shot by white policemen for days on end. Riots. Court cases. Interviews. Sackings. Media saturation. The various media are saturated by these stories in the aftermath of a shooting ... but still there are blacks giving young, white, gun-toting, uniformed policemen 'attitude' when they are stopped for questioning.

There are black police that shoot blacks, they just don't get the same media attention.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/uh-oh-black-police-officer-shoots-unarmed-white-man-wheres-riot/

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

The black driver broke five laws ...

Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then.

Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;)

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

There are black police that shoot blacks, they just don't get the same media attention.

Exactly.

Whites shooting whites doesn't get the same attention ... or blacks shooting whites.

8-)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:45pm: The black driver broke five laws ... Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then. Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;)

Why didn't you mention the fact that this black 'Usual Suspect' broke all of five laws during this little frack-arse?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:45pm: The black driver broke five laws ... Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then. Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;) Why didn't you mention the fact that this black 'Usual Suspect' broke all of five laws during this little frack-arse?

Quite simple - the amount of laws he broke is completely irrelevant.

Even if he broke 500 laws, it does not justify summary execution.

Keep on trollin', Herbs.

There are good people and bad people everywhere, in a barrel of apples you will always find a few bad ones.

In Police Forces everywhere there  are the bad ones. They are the ones who bring their entire Force into disrepute and drag down the good work made by an overwhelming number of their colleagues.

That doesn't excuse their actions for one second and they should get everything that is coming to them.

But because of their terrible actions it doesn't mean that 'Police are bad' on the contrary, the huge percentage of Police are 'good'.

I can say this from personal experience having been a Police Officer for 18 years.

I can also state that rogue Police are 'loathed'' by fellow officers.

Nothing does more damage to a Police Force than a trigger happy cop.

In Australia, thankfully, this is very rare indeed.

For all the policeman knew he was a serial killer on the FBI's 'Most Wanted' list.

The moral of the story is: "Obey the officer or you may forfeit your life".

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:45pm: The black driver broke five laws ... Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then. Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;) Why didn't you mention the fact that this black 'Usual Suspect' broke all of five laws during this little frack-arse? Quite simple - the amount of laws he broke is completely irrelevant. Even if he broke 500 laws, it does not justify summary execution. Keep on trollin', Herbs.

You appear to be troll Greg, you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

For all the policeman knew he was a serial killer on the FBI's 'Most Wanted' list.

Being a serial killer on the FBI's 'Most Wanted' list doesn't justify the summary execution of an unarmed man.


Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

The moral of the story is: "Obey the officer or you may forfeit your life".

The moral of the story is "Police officers should not summarily execute unarmed citizens".

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:03pm:

Nothing does more damage to a Police Force than a trigger happy cop. In Australia, thankfully, this is very rare indeed.

There have been a number of highly publicised incidences in which the police have unreasonably and unnecessarily shot to death disturbed persons threatening them with a knife.

And the Melbourne police have a reputation for 'shoot first and ask questions later'.

But we ain't seen nothin' yet. Just wait until our urban Negro population reaches critical mass with gangs, and 'turf-wars', and ghettoes, and street drug dealing, etc etc ... 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:04pm: For all the policeman knew he was a serial killer on the FBI's 'Most Wanted' list. Being a serial killer on the FBI's 'Most Wanted' list doesn't justify the summary execution of an unarmed man.

Who would complain? The public? Statistically, the FBI says that at any one time in America there are around 24 serial killers operating across the nation.

That's one hell of a frightening statistic.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:00pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:45pm: The black driver broke five laws ... Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then. Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;) Why didn't you mention the fact that this black 'Usual Suspect' broke all of five laws during this little frack-arse? Quite simple - the amount of laws he broke is completely irrelevant. Even if he broke 500 laws, it does not justify summary execution. Keep on trollin', Herbs. You appear to be troll Greg, you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines.

You appear to be are an ignoramus, Steamboat.

"A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate."

"I've been doing this for 30 years," Deters said after meeting with Dubose's family. "This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make, totally unwarranted."

"Tensing "should never have been a police officer," he said without elaborating."

Next time, you should think before you post.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

You appear to be the troll, Greg ...

;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:00pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:45pm: The black driver broke five laws ... Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then. Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;) Why didn't you mention the fact that this black 'Usual Suspect' broke all of five laws during this little frack-arse? Quite simple - the amount of laws he broke is completely irrelevant. Even if he broke 500 laws, it does not justify summary execution. Keep on trollin', Herbs. You appear to be troll Greg, you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines. You appear to be are an ignoramus, Steamboat. "A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate." "I've been doing this for 30 years," Deters said after meeting with Dubose's family. "This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make, totally unwarranted." "Tensing "should never have been a police officer," he said without elaborating." Next time, you should think before you post.

So why are they having a trial and not just putting the officer in prison?.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

"A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate."

What is the impression this deceitful writing is supposed to convey to the public?

It's the notion that this black Usual Suspect was shot because he had a missing licence plate.

And that's just not true.

He finally got shot after committing a series of FIVE law infringements with the last one with him attempting to flee the scene.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:15pm: "A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate." What is the impression this deceitful writing is supposed to convey to the public? It's the notion that this black Usual Suspect was shot because he had a missing licence plate. And that's just not true. He finally got shot after committing a series of FIVE law infringements with the last one with him attempting to flee the scene.

How many laws can an unarmed citizen break before they're summarily executed, Herbie?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:15pm: "A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate." What is the impression this deceitful writing is supposed to convey to the public? It's the notion that this black Usual Suspect was shot because he had a missing licence plate. And that's just not true. He finally got shot after committing a series of FIVE law infringements with the last one with him attempting to flee the scene. How many laws can an unarmed citizen break before they're summarily executed, Herbie?

This is where the problem will explode, people like greg have made up their minds based on a few headline grabs giving one side of the argument and the court will hear all the evidence so there is a distinct possibility that the conclusions will be different.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

What is the impression this deceitful writing is supposed to convey to the public? It's the notion that this black Usual Suspect was shot because he had a missing licence plate.

No, it's not.

Read the story, Herbie.

He was shot because the cop carried out "the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make".

Tensing "should never have been a police officer."

He was shot because the police officer was an incompetent halfwit.

Something a few of you in here can easily relate to.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

No, it's not. Read the story, Herbie. He was shot because the cop carried out [i".]"the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make Tensing "should never have been a police officer."[/i] He was shot because the police officer was an incompetent halfwit. Something a few of you in here can easily relate to.

Did this person witness the shooting?.

Why is it that all of a sudden we have an awful lot of forum members here defending alleged murderers & rapists?

And why is it that they are all supporters of the right?

Why do Abbott supporters turn a blind eye to murder and rape?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Tensing "should never have been a police officer."[/i] He was shot because the police officer was an incompetent halfwit. Something a few of you in here can easily relate to.

You're failing to read my posts carefully.

What 'Tensing' says is entirely his own subjective opinion. I couldn't give a rat's arse what he thinks.

And nowhere did I say I condone this killing. If you spent less time trolling and more time contemplating the details of what I've been saying you might not be tripping over your feet with your replies to me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:35pm:

Why is it that all of a sudden we have an awful lot of forum members here defending alleged murderers & rapists? And why is it that they are all supporters of the right? Why do Abbott supporters turn a blind eye to murder and rape?

Don't you think that this police officer should have a fair hearing into the matter instead of being found guilty on the back of a prosecutors headline grabbing remarks. Are you suggesting that a media beatup of the story is enough evidence to imprison someone.

Interesting you comment that only Abbott supporters would be in favour of due process.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:30pm: No, it's not. Read the story, Herbie. He was shot because the cop carried out [i".]"the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make Tensing "should never have been a police officer."[/i] He was shot because the police officer was an incompetent halfwit. Something a few of you in here can easily relate to. Did this person witness the shooting?.

With every new post you make, you're making yourself look an even bigger fool.

I suggest that you go back and actually read the story.

"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door.

"The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose.

"Deters said Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head. Deters said Tensing should have let Dubose drive away as he had his license plate number already."

::)  The stupidity in this forum is getting worse by the day.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:35pm: Why is it that all of a sudden we have an awful lot of forum members here defending alleged murderers & rapists? And why is it that they are all supporters of the right? Why do Abbott supporters turn a blind eye to murder and rape? Don't you think that this police officer should have a fair hearing into the matter?

Absolutely.

Nobody in this thread has suggested otherwise.

Nice diversion tactic, though.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

The various media are saturated by these stories in the aftermath of a shooting ... but still there are blacks giving young, white, gun-toting, uniformed policemen 'attitude' when they are stopped for questioning.

::)

Surely it couldn't be because the police unfairly target black people and black communities on huge magnitude and there is a long history of even when black communities reach out to the police, they get backstabbed and these issues have caused black people have become wary and distrustful of law enforcement for centuries of brutal discrimination that continues to this day.

No surely that can't play any part in it.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:15pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:00pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 12:45pm: The black driver broke five laws ... Oh well, summary execution seems entirely appropriate then. Keep on trollin', Herbie   ;) Why didn't you mention the fact that this black 'Usual Suspect' broke all of five laws during this little frack-arse? Quite simple - the amount of laws he broke is completely irrelevant. Even if he broke 500 laws, it does not justify summary execution. Keep on trollin', Herbs. You appear to be troll Greg, you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines. You appear to be are an ignoramus, Steamboat. "A University of Cincinnati police officer was indicted Wednesday on murder charges in the fatal shooting last week of an unarmed black motorist who was stopped because of a missing front license plate." "I've been doing this for 30 years," Deters said after meeting with Dubose's family. "This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make, totally unwarranted." "Tensing "should never have been a police officer," he said without elaborating." Next time, you should think before you post. So why are they having a trial and not just putting the officer in prison?.

That's how the law works, that's why.

Are you acting this way, or are you really that ignorant of the law?

Seriously?      :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. .

That's the evidence.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence.

Indeed.

Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body.

How do you think your friend will go in court?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:30pm: Tensing "should never have been a police officer."[/i] He was shot because the police officer was an incompetent halfwit. Something a few of you in here can easily relate to. You're failing to read my posts carefully. What 'Tensing' says is entirely his own subjective opinion. I couldn't give a rat's arse what he thinks.

You're failing to read the story carefully.

Tensing is the cop charged with murder.  The one you're defending.

Seriously, did everyone on the right take an extra dose of stupid pills today?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court?

It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off.

If someone threatened me with a knife and I had reasonable cause to believe that that person was capable of using it on me and was  close enough to do it and in fact was likely to carry out that act; nut job or no nut job I would use my gun on that offender without hesitation.

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:55pm:

If someone threatened me with a knife and I had reasonable cause to believe that that person was capable of using it on me and was  close enough to do it and in fact was likely to carry out that act; nut job or no nut job I would use my gun on that offender without hesitation.

What does that have to do with this thread, red?

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 1:06pm: The various media are saturated by these stories in the aftermath of a shooting ... but still there are blacks giving young, white, gun-toting, uniformed policemen 'attitude' when they are stopped for questioning. ::) Surely it couldn't be because the police unfairly target black people and black communities on huge magnitude and that black people have become wary and distrustful of law enforcement for centuries of brutal discrimination that continues to this day. No surely that can't play any part in it.

Hello Kiron -- as you may have noticed, OzPolitic offers opportunities for experimenting with alternative ideas and perspectives that can sometimes be challenging and confrontational to those who are only willing to see things from a conventional and orthodox viewpoint.

Gregg has been a long-time student of mine here, and his task in this thread is to try to counter my arguments with what seems to make sense to him, but with the rule that he must take into account all of the information that has been given -- and not just the sub-editor's headlines that have been sensationalised to sell more papers.

Welcome to the board.

We are an affiliation of UTS (University of Technology, Sydney).

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court? It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off.

He'll get away with it, if the jury is stupid?

So, you're saying he's guilty.

What was it that someone said, back in post #27 ?

"you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:30pm: Tensing "should never have been a police officer."[/i] He was shot because the police officer was an incompetent halfwit. Something a few of you in here can easily relate to. You're failing to read my posts carefully. What 'Tensing' says is entirely his own subjective opinion. I couldn't give a rat's arse what he thinks. You're failing to read the story carefully. Tensing is the cop charged with murder.  The one you're defending. Seriously, did everyone on the right take an extra dose of stupid pills today?

I put that in to test your AT (Attention Quotient). Happily, you achieved a Pass on this particular occasion.

Gregg  I am replying to a post by Lord Herbert on Page 2, perhaps you my like to check what other posters are saying. This isn't all about you Gregg no matter how much you huff and puff to the contrary. :D

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Gregg  I am replying to a post by Lord Herbert on Page 2, perhaps you my like to check what other posters are saying. This isn't all about you Gregg no matter how much you huff and puff to the contrary. :D

;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court? It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off. He'll get away with it, if the jury is stupid? So, you're saying he's guilty. What was it that someone said, back in post #27 ? "you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines."

I think he will be found guilty regardless of the evidence, the media have tainted his chances of a fair trial. Look at your reaction to the media coverage, no chance you will now find a jury that can objectively consider the evidence and if they do find in his favour the plebs have only the news story to go on and that will contradict the decision they have already made.

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Gregg  I am replying to a post by Lord Herbert on Page 2, perhaps you my like to check what other posters are saying. This isn't all about you Gregg no matter how much you huff and puff to the contrary. :D

Well, include the quote you're referring to when you post replies.

There's a good lad.

This thread is about a police officer being charged with murdering an unarmed citizen.

Don't let Herbie's trolling throw you off course.  That's exactly what he wants.

It is not about the license plate, but the shooting of an unidentified person for trying to run from a police officer is not a justifiable.

However, there is tone on the forum that seems to suggest something like "OMG! American police officers are going berserk!" It comes from a warped idea of the USA based on only the bad news from a population of 325,000,000. That many people is something most Australians have no conception of, except that its a big number.

This is also the attitude of "oh yes I know all about the USA because I saw it on TV."

It is quite possible to travel within the US for ten years and not see any Police violence. It is also statistically possible to meet more people that you have things in common with in the USA than you will ever see in Australia.

the problem isnt racial, it is about guns. These things dont happen here because the chance of a motorist carrying a loaded weapon is almost nil.  Im not defending the cops as they need to be better than this, but a lot of the problem is that when everyone carries guns, then every altercation, confrontation... or traffic stop, can be a gun fight. and so people act assuming that and this kind of thing happens.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:02pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court? It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off. He'll get away with it, if the jury is stupid? So, you're saying he's guilty. What was it that someone said, back in post #27 ? "you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines." I think he will be found guilty regardless of the evidence, the media have tainted his chances of a fair trial. Look at your reaction to the media coverage, no chance you will now find a jury that can objectively consider the evidence and if they do find in his favour the plebs have only the news story to go on and that will contradict the decision they have already made.

Sounds to me like you're going out of your way to make excuses for him.

Why is that?

Is there something that makes you think that the summary execution was justified?

Herbie thinks the motorist reached the magic number of 5 offences, and that's why his murder is justifiable.

Mind you, the colour of his skin would probably drop Herbie's magic number down to 2.

What makes you think this motorist deserved to be summarily executed?

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 2:55pm:

If someone threatened me with a knife and I had reasonable cause to believe that that person was capable of using it on me and was  close enough to do it and in fact was likely to carry out that act; nut job or no nut job I would use my gun on that offender without hesitation.

That's not a problem with me.

If they're on 'ice' or some other Substance Abuse 'trip' I couldn't give a rat's arse. Same if they're a schizophrenic or any other kind of nutter.

The police rushed in and shot Man Haron Monis in that cafe in Sydney - despite him not having shot anyone beforehand. That was a case of summary justice 'on-the-run'. No one was charged. He held people hostage and made threats, but in law that doesn't attract the death penalty - but in they went and shot him dead.

Interestingly, the magistrates in Britain don't think someone running at the police with a sharp knife is a serious crime - let alone deserving of being shot by a police officer who is defending himself.

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:55pm: If someone threatened me with a knife and I had reasonable cause to believe that that person was capable of using it on me and was  close enough to do it and in fact was likely to carry out that act; nut job or no nut job I would use my gun on that offender without hesitation. That's not a problem with me. If they're on 'ice' or some other Substance Abuse 'trip' I couldn't give a rat's arse. Same if they're a schizophrenic or any other kind of nutter. The police rushed in and shot Man Haron Monis in that cafe in Sydney - despite him not having shot anyone beforehand. That was a case of summary justice 'on-the-run'. No one was charged. He held people hostage and made threats, but in law that doesn't attract the death penalty - but they went and shot him dead. Interestingly, the magistrates in Britain don't think someone running at the police with a sharp knife is a serious crime - let alone deserving of being shot by a police officer who is defending himself. link

See what I told you, red?

Back in post #58  http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438217321/58#58

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

The police rushed in and shot Man Haron Monis in that cafe in Sydney - despite him not having shot anyone beforehand.

Monis killed Tori Johnson Sensei.  Your bait is old and lifeless as a consequence.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Sounds to me like you're going out of your way to make excuses for him. Why is that? Is there something that makes you think that the summary execution was justified? Herbie thinks the motorist reached the magic number of 5 offences, and that's why his murder is justifiable. Mind you, the colour of his skin would probably drop Herbie's magic number down to 2. What makes you think this motorist deserved to be summarily executed?

What on earth has you thinking I thought this motorist deserved to be summarily executed.

Have you made this up so you can claim the high ground on this issue, should I read the headlines and regard that as concrete evidence that this was a summarily execution.

Why are you claiming that no other evidence needs to be presented and the word of the prosecutor is enough to convict a person of a most serious crime.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Why are you claiming that no other evidence needs to be presented and the word of the prosecutor is enough to convict a person of a most serious crime.

I'm not.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:20pm: The police rushed in and shot Man Haron Monis in that cafe in Sydney - despite him not having shot anyone beforehand. Monis killed Tori Johnson Sensei.  You bait is old and lifeless as a consequence.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

The Troll King has been off his game for the last couple of days.

I wonder if Windows 10 has anything to do with it.

Here's the video footage of the summary execution.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/cincinnati-police-officer-ray-tensing-charged-with-murder-over-shooting-of-samuel-dubose/story-fnh81jut-1227463043922

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sz_NAX_E-c

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

Why are you claiming that no other evidence needs to be presented and the word of the prosecutor is enough to convict a person of a most serious crime.

I'm not.

However, this evidence won't do the cop any favours:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sz_NAX_E-c


Notice how the driver is unarmed, and moving away from the police officer.

"Stop"  Bang!

Not looking good for this guy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:40pm: Why are you claiming that no other evidence needs to be presented and the word of the prosecutor is enough to convict a person of a most serious crime. I'm not. However, this evidence won't do the cop any favours:

I bet the cops play on what he was doing with his other hand whilst holding the door closed with the other, could he have been reaching for a gun, the cop yells out something along the lines of watch out when the guy reaches towards the underside of the dash.


watching it again he seems to be saying duck duck!!.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 4:07pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:40pm: Why are you claiming that no other evidence needs to be presented and the word of the prosecutor is enough to convict a person of a most serious crime. I'm not. However, this evidence won't do the cop any favours: I bet the cops play on what he was doing with his other hand whilst holding the door closed with the other, could he have been reaching for a gun, the cop yells out something along the lines of watch out when the guy reaches towards the underside of the dash. watching it again he seems to be saying duck duck!!.

Well, once Herbie watches the video he'll be convinced that the killing was justified.

I mean, come on: being black and wearing a silly hat in a built up area.  Case closed - give the cop a medal.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:02pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court? It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off. He'll get away with it, if the jury is stupid? So, you're saying he's guilty. What was it that someone said, back in post #27 ? "you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines." I think he will be found guilty regardless of the evidence, the media have tainted his chances of a fair trial. Look at your reaction to the media coverage, no chance you will now find a jury that can objectively consider the evidence and if they do find in his favour the plebs have only the news story to go on and that will contradict the decision they have already made. Sounds to me like you're going out of your way to make excuses for him. Why is that? Is there something that makes you think that the summary execution was justified? Herbie thinks the motorist reached the magic number of 5 offences, and that's why his murder is justifiable. Mind you, the colour of his skin would probably drop Herbie's magic number down to 2. What makes you think this motorist deserved to be summarily executed?

but of course... the important thing is to remain totally fixated on the symptoms and ignore the root causes.  Thats important to you , isnt it? shadow over substance?

the problem is that people are bad.  and when they BOTH have guns, it turns into a bloodbath.

Im not defending him nor ever have. I am saying that you put a mixture of a dumb cop in an environment where everyone has guns and you have a guaranteed disaster.  That would be why every other week is a school shooting or a cinema shooting and it doesnt happen in countries without massive gun ownership.

stick to just symptoms and the disease will never be cured.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:17pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:02pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court? It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off. He'll get away with it, if the jury is stupid? So, you're saying he's guilty. What was it that someone said, back in post #27 ? "you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines." I think he will be found guilty regardless of the evidence, the media have tainted his chances of a fair trial. Look at your reaction to the media coverage, no chance you will now find a jury that can objectively consider the evidence and if they do find in his favour the plebs have only the news story to go on and that will contradict the decision they have already made. Sounds to me like you're going out of your way to make excuses for him. Why is that? Is there something that makes you think that the summary execution was justified? Herbie thinks the motorist reached the magic number of 5 offences, and that's why his murder is justifiable. Mind you, the colour of his skin would probably drop Herbie's magic number down to 2. What makes you think this motorist deserved to be summarily executed? but of course... the important thing is to remain totally fixated on the symptoms and ignore the root causes.  Thats important to you , isnt it? shadow over substance? the problem is that people are bad.  and when they BOTH have guns, it turns into a bloodbath. Im not defending him nor ever have. I am saying that you put a mixture of a dumb cop in an environment where everyone has guns and you have a guaranteed disaster.  That would be why every other week is a school shooting or a cinema shooting and it doesnt happen in countries without massive gun ownership. stick to just symptoms and the disease will never be cured.

The dead dude was unarmed.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 5:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:17pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:02pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:50pm: Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 2:42pm: I suggest that you go back and actually read the story. [i]"A body camera video that Deters played for reporters showed Tensing stopped Dubose for a missing front license plate. Dubose failed to provide a driver's license as Tensing requested then tried to prevent Tensing, who told Dubose to take his seat belt off, from opening the car door. "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose. . That's the evidence. Indeed. Video footage of the whole incident, and a dead unarmed body. How do you think your friend will go in court? It will depend on the jury, if they are as stupid as you he might get off. He'll get away with it, if the jury is stupid? So, you're saying he's guilty. What was it that someone said, back in post #27 ? "you have only read the headlines from the media and do not know the full story but have made a judgement based on headlines." I think he will be found guilty regardless of the evidence, the media have tainted his chances of a fair trial. Look at your reaction to the media coverage, no chance you will now find a jury that can objectively consider the evidence and if they do find in his favour the plebs have only the news story to go on and that will contradict the decision they have already made. Sounds to me like you're going out of your way to make excuses for him. Why is that? Is there something that makes you think that the summary execution was justified? Herbie thinks the motorist reached the magic number of 5 offences, and that's why his murder is justifiable. Mind you, the colour of his skin would probably drop Herbie's magic number down to 2. What makes you think this motorist deserved to be summarily executed? but of course... the important thing is to remain totally fixated on the symptoms and ignore the root causes.  Thats important to you , isnt it? shadow over substance? the problem is that people are bad.  and when they BOTH have guns, it turns into a bloodbath. Im not defending him nor ever have. I am saying that you put a mixture of a dumb cop in an environment where everyone has guns and you have a guaranteed disaster.  That would be why every other week is a school shooting or a cinema shooting and it doesnt happen in countries without massive gun ownership. stick to just symptoms and the disease will never be cured. The dead dude was unarmed.

a fact that came out AFTERWARDS. try listening. IN the USA, people (and police) would assume that ANYONE could potentially be armed and that is not unreasonable. It is not just the actual existence of guns that is the problem but the POTENTIAL AND PROBABLE existence of them that colours every encounter. Here in australia, the likelihood of anyone owning a gun is low enough but carrying on in public is nearly unheard of.  POlice and others do not presume the existence of a gun and therefore act much less suspiciously.

I am not supporting the boofhead cop. I am making the argument that the mere existence of all these guns makes incidents like this inevitable, just like all the school and cinema shootings are inevitable... and repeated.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

I am not supporting the boofhead cop. I am making the argument that the mere existence of all these guns makes incidents like this inevitable, just like all the school and cinema shootings are inevitable... and repeated.

Correct.

Every US cop would be aware of the appalling statistic of over 2 police officers killed every week in their country.

That's liable to make them a tad jumpy when someone they are questioning ...

1. Refuses to obey a direct order.

2. Resists arrest.

And is sitting inside a car where there are any number of places where a concealed weapon is stashed for quick use.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

The dead dude was unarmed.

Thats actually irrelevant, cops are quite within their rights to shoot unarmed offenders depending on the circumstances ... albeit this probably wasn't one of them. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 6:18pm: I am not supporting the boofhead cop. I am making the argument that the mere existence of all these guns makes incidents like this inevitable, just like all the school and cinema shootings are inevitable... and repeated. Correct. Every US cop would be aware of the appalling statistic of over 2 police officers killed every week in their country. That's liable to make them a tad jumpy when someone they are questioning ... 1. Refuses to obey a direct order. 2. Resists arrest. And is sitting inside a car where there are any number of places where a concealed weapon is stashed for quick use.

Read it and weep - they are not 'killed' in the vast majority of case - they die by accident of illness...

https://www.odmp.org/search/year

Nothing in these figures posted by law enforcement justify any attitude of 'shoot first and ask questions later' - or justify the shooting deaths of unarmed people.

Even the dogs are included.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Read it and weep - they are not 'killed' in the vast majority of case - they die by accident of illness...

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Every US cop would be aware of the appalling statistic of over 2 police officers killed every week in their country. That's liable to make them a tad jumpy when someone they are questioning ... 1. Refuses to obey a direct order. 2. Resists arrest. And is sitting inside a car where there are any number of places where a concealed weapon is stashed for quick use.

Yep, it would certainly make them a tad jumpy alright.

It's no excuse for summary executions of unarmed citizens though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:23am:

Yep, it would certainly make them a tad jumpy alright. It's no excuse for summary executions of unarmed citizens though.

Who said it was?

If anything positive comes out of this, it will be the lesson to other blacks that if you've got nothing to hide - then obey the copper's instructions with a click of the heels and a salute and DON'T GIVE THE BUGGER ANY 'ATTITOOD!'

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 30th, 2015 at 3:40pm: Why are you claiming that no other evidence needs to be presented and the word of the prosecutor is enough to convict a person of a most serious crime. I'm not. However, this evidence won't do the cop any favours: Notice how the driver is unarmed, and moving away from the police officer. "Stop"  Bang! Not looking good for this guy.

Lets see this guy could not produce his licence despite being asked numerous times.
He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road,check out the parked silver car in front of them and the black mark on the road when the Police officer gets to his feet.
How far away did he end up from where he was stopped and how did he get there peccahead?

Justifiable homicide imo,if you try to drive off while dragging a Police officer along it isn't going to end well for you.

This video shows how the stop began unlike peccaheads edited version,the cop did nothing wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0cdejrSjyc

Moral of this story,don't try to drive away from a traffic stop while dragging a cop down the road after not being able to produce a licence

Certainly no shortage of people defending alleged rapists and murderers in this forum.

It's a shame.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:23am: Yep, it would certainly make them a tad jumpy alright. It's no excuse for summary executions of unarmed citizens though. Who said it was? If anything positive comes out of this, it will be the lesson to other blacks that if you've got nothing to hide - then obey the copper's instructions with a click of the heels and a salute and DON'T GIVE THE BUGGER ANY 'ATTITOOD!'

Will they have to repeat the lesson again for whites?

It always takes a while before the uneditted version of events begins to shyly make its appearance in the media - if at all.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Here in australia, the likelihood of anyone owning a gun is low enough but carrying on in public is nearly unheard of.  POlice and others do not presume the existence of a gun and therefore act much less suspiciously. I am not supporting the boofhead cop. I am making the argument that the mere existence of all these guns makes incidents like this inevitable, just like all the school and cinema shootings are inevitable... and repeated.

The Shooters and Fishers party sent me an email saying there are over 1 million firearm licence holders in Australia, I would say that is a significant number of firearm owners in Australia.

The senate inquiry into firearms said the Police do assume criminals have guns and the fact they don't come up as holding a licence does not make them any less cautious in dealing with criminals.

Schools have been gun free zones for a few decades,the cinema shootings have also occurred in gun free zones.

Are you saying the police should not have guns,how are they going to apprehend armed criminals without guns?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:11am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:23am: Yep, it would certainly make them a tad jumpy alright. It's no excuse for summary executions of unarmed citizens though. Who said it was? If anything positive comes out of this, it will be the lesson to other blacks that if you've got nothing to hide - then obey the copper's instructions with a click of the heels and a salute and DON'T GIVE THE BUGGER ANY 'ATTITOOD!' Will they have to repeat the lesson again for whites?

You've long since lost the initiative and the moral authority in this thread, gregg, and so it's time for you to quit here and turn off the lights before you leave.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:14am:

It always takes a while before the uneditted version of events begins to shyly make its appearance in the media - if at all.

I found a longer version as well.

Peccahead thinks it's ok for criminals to drive off and drag Police officers down the road when they're asked for a licence and cannot produce one.

If he didn't try to drive away dragging a cop with him he would still be alive.

Peccahead is an apologist for criminals

Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out.

Didn't take long.

I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics.

Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:11am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:44am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:23am: Yep, it would certainly make them a tad jumpy alright. It's no excuse for summary executions of unarmed citizens though. Who said it was? If anything positive comes out of this, it will be the lesson to other blacks that if you've got nothing to hide - then obey the copper's instructions with a click of the heels and a salute and DON'T GIVE THE BUGGER ANY 'ATTITOOD!' Will they have to repeat the lesson again for whites? You've long since lost the initiative and the moral authority in this thread, gregg, and so it's time for you to quit here and turn off the lights before you leave.

Come on Herbie, you're a proud racist aren't you?

Why are you hding in your burrow all of a sudden?

You've had a very bad week this week - let's hope things pick up next week.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:22am:

Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers?

It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture.

double plus good wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture.

I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about.

Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial.

(Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks).

Do you have a magic number?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:32am:

double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number?

I watched the video and a very jumpy cop lost his nerve. I don't think it was heartless murder. Why would a cop do that?? His career is gone, he's a target in jail and he's on camera. But he should pay for his mistake.  America is at war with guns and street crime and you are not out there fighting it so you really don't understand.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:32am:

double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number?

Greg your take is the cop just walked up and shot the black person for no reason.

You cant quite grasp the fact that the video evidence shows the police asking for the drivers licence and the black person not being able to produce it. The cop then tried to open the door and the black person resisted by holding the door closed and reached under the dash (to start the car) and drove off while the cop was trying to restrain him. We don't know how or why the gun went off, did he pull it out thinking he was in danger and the car hit the gun causing it to fire. Did he try to fire a warning shot and the momentum of the car put the black guy in the line of fire, did he just point it and fired. We don't know, all we know is the black guy resisted the cop and tried to flee.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? Greg your take is the cop just walked up and shot the black person for no reason.

No.  I've watched the video and read the story.

The driver was an idiot who broke the law, and nobody in this thread has said or suggested anything to the contrary.

However, breaking five laws and being an idiot doesn't justify summary execution of an unarmed citizen.

double plus good wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? I watched the video and a very jumpy cop lost his nerve. I don't think it was heartless murder. Why would a cop do that??

"I've been doing this for 30 years," Deters said after meeting with Dubose's family. "This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make, totally unwarranted."

Tensing "should never have been a police officer,"

Amen.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:56am:

double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:36am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? I watched the video and a very jumpy cop lost his nerve. I don't think it was heartless murder. Why would a cop do that?? "I've been doing this for 30 years," Deters said after meeting with Dubose's family. "This is the most asinine act I've ever seen a police officer make, totally unwarranted." Tensing "should never have been a police officer," Amen.

The moral of the story- when a jumpy cop with a gun tells you to do something don't be a smart ass.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:58am:

He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ...

Nice try.

"Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head."

You're investing so much energy in supporting this alleged murderer, that now you've resorted to making up lies.

Why is that?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:23am:

Come on Herbie, you're a proud racist aren't you?

Not proud at all - my side has lost the battle to keep Britain's ancient capital city of London a majority White English demographic, and has failed to squeeze-off the annual immigrant influx of thousands of Negroes from various parts of the globe.

I apologise to the future generations of white Brits who will be compelled to suffer the consequences of this luvvie-dovey naivist indiscriminate wánk on the part of my generation's succession of politically criminal betrayers of Britain's homeland and heritage.

I don't blame the Muslims - and I don't blame the Negroes and subcontinental Darkies for having wanted to migrate to Britain - but I DO blame the bastards whose political brief was to preserve Britain for the traditional and generational Brits to keep as their identifiable homeland.

I would hang every one of them who was found to have had a hand in this monstrous betrayal. I kid you not.


 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:51am:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? Greg your take is the cop just walked up and shot the black person for no reason. No.  I've watched the video and read the story.

So what did the defence claim happened, you have read the prosecutors claim, can you tell us what the cop said about it.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:02am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:51am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? Greg your take is the cop just walked up and shot the black person for no reason. No.  I've watched the video and read the story. So what did the defence claim happened, you have read the prosecutors claim, can you tell us what the cop said about it.

"Tensing's attorney, Stew Mathews, told Fox 19 television in Cincinnati that his client was being "thrown under the bus" by the prosecutor and the school. A second video will show more of the incident, he said, according to Fox 19."

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:23am: Come on Herbie, you're a proud racist aren't you? Not proud at all - my side has lost the battle to keep Britain's ancient capital city of London a majority White English demographic, and has failed to squeeze-off the annual immigrant influx of thousands of Negroes from various parts of the globe.

Sounds like you wasted your life.

That's sad.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:11am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:00am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:23am: Come on Herbie, you're a proud racist aren't you? Not proud at all - my side has lost the battle to keep Britain's ancient capital city of London a majority White English demographic, and has failed to squeeze-off the annual immigrant influx of thousands of Negroes from various parts of the globe. Sounds like you wasted your life. That's sad.

You've been lucky today. Two of my more lengthy and cutting posts have disappeared into The Void today because I hit the wrong button - and nothing I did could bring them back. Not the Back button or the 'History' tab in the Menu Bar. Sweet FA will bring back a post that has been lost because you checked with Google on a detail before posting it - but hit the wrong button when trying to return from the Google page.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 10:59am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head."

Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence

Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there?

26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:10am:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:51am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? Greg your take is the cop just walked up and shot the black person for no reason. No.  I've watched the video and read the story. So what did the defence claim happened, you have read the prosecutors claim, can you tell us what the cop said about it. "Tensing's attorney, Stew Mathews, told Fox 19 television in Cincinnati that his client was being "thrown under the bus" by the prosecutor and the school. A second video will show more of the incident, he said, according to Fox 19."

I would have said thrown under the car but that's just me.

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:10am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:51am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:32am: double plus good wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:22am: Ah, now that I've exposed more supporters of alleged rapists and murderers, the lies start to come out. Didn't take long. I still find it quite interesting that those who support the alleged criminals are always on the "right" side of politics. Why is it that they love criminals so much - especially the  rapists and murderers? It's alright for you, you don't deal with heavily armed black gangbangers on a daily basis. You live in WA (White Australia) amongst the pretentious cafe culture. I don't support summary executions, no matter what suburb, state, or country we're talking about. Herbie and his cohorts, though, seem to "think" that once someone reaches the magic number of 5 laws broken, they are suitable candidates for public executions without trial. (Of course, Herbie's magic number is only 2 broken laws, when it comes to blacks). Do you have a magic number? Greg your take is the cop just walked up and shot the black person for no reason. No.  I've watched the video and read the story. So what did the defence claim happened, you have read the prosecutors claim, can you tell us what the cop said about it. "Tensing's attorney, Stew Mathews, told Fox 19 television in Cincinnati that his client was being "thrown under the bus" by the prosecutor and the school. A second video will show more of the incident, he said, according to Fox 19." I would have said thrown under the car but that's just me.

Yes, it's just you.

"Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head."

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:11am:

Sounds like you wasted your life. That's sad.

26,000 posts and everyone knows you are a peccahead.

Wasting your life here,what a sad pissant you are.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums.

Have a look at the video peccahead,he was dragged 30ft up the road.

You are an apologist for rapists and criminals.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums.

But the prosecutor said he wasn't dragged and the car only rolled. Its obvious the video is wrong when the car is started and speeds off, that didn't happen because the prosecutor said so.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums.

Why are you so hell-bent on making excuses for this alleged murderer?

It's a gun-nut thing, isn't it?

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:29am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums. But the prosecutor said he wasn't dragged and the car only rolled. Its obvious the video is wrong when the car is started and speeds off, that didn't happen because the prosecutor said so.

He didn't say it only rolled.

This is what he said:

"The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose."

Why are you so hell-bent on making excuses for an alleged murderer?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:33am:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums. But the prosecutor said he wasn't dragged and the car only rolled. Its obvious the video is wrong when the car is started and speeds off, that didn't happen because the prosecutor said so. He didn't say it only rolled. This is what he said: "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose." Why are you so hell-bent on making excuses for an alleged murderer?

You watched the video, you have to make that connection, its your process.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:29am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums. Why are you so hell-bent on making excuses for this alleged murderer? It's a gun-nut thing, isn't it?

You should seek for your irrational fear of guns (hoplohpobia),over 1 million licensed gun owners in Australia

Why are you hell bent on making excuses for criminals who evade police?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:33am:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:26am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 10:59am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 9:58am: He tried to drive off dragging the Police officer about 30ft up the road ... Nice try. "Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head." Peccahead look at the video and take note of the parked car in front of him and the black mark on the road when he was asking him for his licence Then look at how close the Policeman was to the parked car and black mark on the road when he got to his feet, how did he get there? 26,000 posts of useless drivel from you ,how sad peccahead doesn't have a life and fritters it away on internet forums. But the prosecutor said he wasn't dragged and the car only rolled. Its obvious the video is wrong when the car is started and speeds off, that didn't happen because the prosecutor said so. He didn't say it only rolled. This is what he said: "The car started slowly rolling forward as Tensing reached in and yelled for him to stop. The officer then pulled his gun and fired once, killing Dubose." Why are you so hell-bent on making excuses for an alleged murderer?

Look how far the car ended up from where he was pulled over,how did it get there peccahead?

Why are you an apologist for criminals who drag cops down the road trying to evade them?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:40am:

Look how far the car ended up from where he was pulled over,how did it get there peccahead?

After the officer killed him, the dead weight of the motorist's foot depressed the accelerator pedal (that's the one which makes it go faster) and the car subsequently sped off.

A child could have worked that out - why couldn't you?

And, why are you investing so much energy in defending an alleged murderer?

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:27am:

I would have said thrown him under the car but that's just me.

Who? Peccahead? Me too.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:48am:

Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: I would have said thrown him under the car but that's just me. Who? Peccahead? Me too.

Of course you would.

Killing is your answer to everything.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:48am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: I would have said thrown him under the car but that's just me. Who? Peccahead? Me too. Of course you would. Killing is your answer to everything.

It's the answer to most of the meals you have, you damned hypocrite.

How long are you hoping to stretch this thread for, peccahead? Aren't you done here yet?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:58am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:48am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: I would have said thrown him under the car but that's just me. Who? Peccahead? Me too. Of course you would. Killing is your answer to everything. It's the answer to most of the meals you have, you damned hypocrite. How long are you hoping to stretch this thread for, peccahead? Aren't you done here yet?

Time for your nana nap, Herbie.

You've had a bad week.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 12:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:58am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:48am: Steampipe wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: I would have said thrown him under the car but that's just me. Who? Peccahead? Me too. Of course you would. Killing is your answer to everything. It's the answer to most of the meals you have, you damned hypocrite. How long are you hoping to stretch this thread for, peccahead? Aren't you done here yet? Time for your nana nap, Herbie. You've had a bad week.

When did you last eat something innocent that was killed for your gustatory pleasure, you pecker-head hypocrite?!

Sensei, I last killed some of your prey this morning.  I did so under your orders.  Was I doing something wrong?   I helped you set your bait, all fresh and lively.  I pulled your prey into the boat and culled it for your appetite!  You consumed it with gusto!  Was that wrong, Sensei?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 3:37pm:

When did you last eat something innocent that was killed for your gustatory pleasure, you pecker-head hypocrite?!

I ate a pussy last night.  Does that count?

Mind you, it wasn't dead.

Come to think of it, it wasn't that innocent either.

Anyway, how was your nap?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 3:37pm: When did you last eat something innocent that was killed for your gustatory pleasure, you pecker-head hypocrite?! I ate a pussy last night.  Does that count? Mind you, it wasn't dead. Come to think of it, it wasn't that innocent either. Anyway, how was your nap?

You been to C  ;Dhinatown....

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:40am: Look how far the car ended up from where he was pulled over,how did it get there peccahead? After the officer killed him, the dead weight of the motorist's foot depressed the accelerator pedal (that's the one which makes it go faster) and the car subsequently sped off. A child could have worked that out - why couldn't you? And, why are you investing so much energy in defending an alleged murderer?

The policeman asked him to take his seatbelt off,he took off shortly after dragging a cop along the road.

Driving without a licence is not just a ticket offence there, the car gets impounded.

Why are you being an apologist for people who try to run from the Police when they are caught breaking the law?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:44am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:40am: Look how far the car ended up from where he was pulled over,how did it get there peccahead? After the officer killed him, the dead weight of the motorist's foot depressed the accelerator pedal (that's the one which makes it go faster) and the car subsequently sped off. A child could have worked that out - why couldn't you? And, why are you investing so much energy in defending an alleged murderer? The policeman asked him to take his seatbelt off,he took off shortly after dragging a cop along the road.

He didn't drag anyone along the road.

Why are you making excuses for an alleged murderer?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:44am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:40am: Look how far the car ended up from where he was pulled over,how did it get there peccahead? After the officer killed him, the dead weight of the motorist's foot depressed the accelerator pedal (that's the one which makes it go faster) and the car subsequently sped off. A child could have worked that out - why couldn't you? And, why are you investing so much energy in defending an alleged murderer? The policeman asked him to take his seatbelt off,he took off shortly after dragging a cop along the road. He didn't drag anyone along the road. Why are you making excuses for an alleged murderer?

He did drag him along the road,look at the parked car and black mark on the road in front of him when he continually asked this guy for his licence.

How did he get to be 30ft up the road?

This guy only has himself to blame for getting shot

You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:12pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:44am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 11:40am: Look how far the car ended up from where he was pulled over,how did it get there peccahead? After the officer killed him, the dead weight of the motorist's foot depressed the accelerator pedal (that's the one which makes it go faster) and the car subsequently sped off. A child could have worked that out - why couldn't you? And, why are you investing so much energy in defending an alleged murderer? The policeman asked him to take his seatbelt off,he took off shortly after dragging a cop along the road. He didn't drag anyone along the road. Why are you making excuses for an alleged murderer? He did drag him along the road ...

Nope.

"Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head."

Why are you making excuses for an alleged murderer?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 5:18pm:

You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead

Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out.

This young cop culled the herd. Black crime in America is epidemic. Even the most decent and tolerant of White Folk are sick of having to tread carefully and cautiously on the streets of the USA where blacks are concerned. The jails are bulging with Negroes and Hispanics, and it's time a little culling was practiced to keep things manageable. 

To keep things tidy like.  8-)

but what about the Greek..

did he make it entertaining??

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out.

"Tensing was not dragged by the car, as the officer had reported, but instead he fell backwards after shooting Dubose in the head."

Keep trying, Herbie.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 6:32pm:

Keep trying, Herbie.

Keep trolling, Pecker-head.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:32pm: Keep trying, Herbie. Keep trolling, Pecker-head.

You'll always be the Troll King, Herbie.

Your crown is safe.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out.

The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply
The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut
Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop.
i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg

This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car.

Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union.
The leftist union types like to defend criminals

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 11:51am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals

It is normal practice in USA for cops to 'manufacture' evidence and defame victims.

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 11:53am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:51am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals It is normal practice in USA for cops to 'manufacture' evidence and defame victims.

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey dim wit

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 11:51am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals

It's already been established that the motorist was an idiot, and that he had broken the law.

However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens.

Why are you defending this alleged murderer?

What other crimes do you condone, apart from murder?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:51am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals It's already been established that the motorist was an idiot, and that he had broken the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why are you defending this alleged murderer? What other crimes do you condone, apart from murder?

Why are you defending this unlicensed guy who had a large bag of weed and $2k in cash when he started his car and tried to evade police peccahead?

If he didn't start his car and try to drive off he would still be alive.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:51am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals It's already been established that the motorist was an idiot, and that he had broken the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why are you defending this alleged murderer? What other crimes do you condone, apart from murder? Why are you defending this unlicensed guy who had a large bag of weed and $2k in cash when he started his car and tried to evade police peccahead? If he didn't start his car and try to drive off he would still be alive.

Manufactured evidence? Starting a car engine and driving while black is not an official crime punishable by death.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:51am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals It's already been established that the motorist was an idiot, and that he had broken the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why are you defending this alleged murderer? What other crimes do you condone, apart from murder? Why are you defending this unlicensed guy who had a large bag of weed and $2k in cash when he started his car and tried to evade police peccahead? If he didn't start his car and try to drive off he would still be alive.

Nobody in this thread is defending the behaviour of the motorist.

He was an idiot, and he broke the law.

However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens.

Why do you condone murder?

What other crimes do you turn a blind eye to?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:51am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals It's already been established that the motorist was an idiot, and that he had broken the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why are you defending this alleged murderer? What other crimes do you condone, apart from murder? Why are you defending this unlicensed guy who had a large bag of weed and $2k in cash when he started his car and tried to evade police peccahead? If he didn't start his car and try to drive off he would still be alive. Nobody in this thread is defending the behaviour of the motorist. He was an idiot, and he broke the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why do you condone murder? What other crimes do you turn a blind eye to?

You are defending this guy who broke numerous laws peccahead,why do leftist union types defend criminals?

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:15pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:07pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 11:51am: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 6:26pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:18pm: You are being an apologist for someone who tried to take off from the police peccahead Anybody who takes off up the road with a cop hanging off the car must have something very serious that he doesn't want the policeman to find out. The cop told him to take his seatbelt off,he did not comply The cop tried to open the door,he held it shut Then the unlicensed driver started his car and tried to drive off while the cop was telling him to stop. i.imgur.com/VZO28hX.jpg This guy did not have a licence it was suspended,he had a large bag of weed and $2K in cash in the car. Peccahead claimed to be a lawyer with his previous sock it turns out he was a clerk for a union. The leftist union types like to defend criminals It's already been established that the motorist was an idiot, and that he had broken the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why are you defending this alleged murderer? What other crimes do you condone, apart from murder? Why are you defending this unlicensed guy who had a large bag of weed and $2k in cash when he started his car and tried to evade police peccahead? If he didn't start his car and try to drive off he would still be alive. Nobody in this thread is defending the behaviour of the motorist. He was an idiot, and he broke the law. However, that doesn't justify summary executions of unarmed citizens. Why do you condone murder? What other crimes do you turn a blind eye to? You are defending this guy who broke numerous laws peccahead,why do leftist union types defend criminals?

Nobody in this thread is defending the illegal actions of the motorist.

Why are you defending the alleged murderer?

Is it just a gun-nut thing?

USA police have a shoot to kill culture on the principle that dead men can't be witnesses.

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:33pm:

USA police have a shoot to kill culture on the principle that dead men can't be witnesses.

And those on the right support it unconditionally.

Why is that?

Why do they support summary executions of unarmed citizens?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:33pm: USA police have a shoot to kill culture on the principle that dead men can't be witnesses. And those on the right support it unconditionally. Why is that? Why do they support summary executions of unarmed citizens?

Because they're sub-human scum.

Kat wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 1:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:44pm: Unforgiven wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 12:33pm: USA police have a shoot to kill culture on the principle that dead men can't be witnesses. And those on the right support it unconditionally. Why is that? Why do they support summary executions of unarmed citizens? Because they're sub-human scum.

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