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When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty. The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none. The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site. Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians. According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site 80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass. Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam. ... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East.  Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions.  When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime. Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million. Remember that in the 7th century, North Africa was almost totally Christian. What happened to them? By the year 750, a hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, at least 50 percent of the world's Christians found themselves under Muslim hegemony… Today there is no indigenous Christianity in the region [of Northwest Africa], no communities of Christians whose history can be traced to antiquity.-- "Christianity Face to Face with Islam," CERC What happened to those Christian millions? Some converted. The rest?  Lost to history. We know that over 1 million Europeans were enslaved by Barbary Pirates. How many died is anybody's guess. ...for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 -  BBC In the Middle Ages… …many slaves were passed through Armenia and were castrated there to fill the Muslim demand for eunuchs. -- Slavery in Early Medieval Europe. The same practice ran through Islamic Spain. North Europeans captured from raids up to Iceland, or purchased, were butchered in the castratoriums of Iberia. Many died from the operations that ran for centuries. The number of dead from the Muslim conquest of the Balkans and Southern Italy is unknown, but again the numbers add up, surely into the millions over the centuries. Don't forget the 1.5 million Armenian Christians killed by the Turks during WWI. We do know that over five centuries, vast numbers of Christian boys were kidnapped to become Islamic Janissary mercenaries for the Turks. Add those in, too. Muslims prized blonde women for their harems; and so enslaved Slavic women were purchased in the bazaars of the Crimean Caliphate. In Muslim Spain, an annual tribute of 100 Visigothic [blonde] women was required from Spain's Cantabrian coast. For decades, 100 virgins per year were required by the Muslim rulers of Spain from the conquered population.  The tribute was only stopped when the Spaniards began fighting back -- Jihad: Islam's 1,300 Year War Against Western Civilisation Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher..........

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.........Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher. Research has shown that the Dark Ages were not caused by the Goths, who eventually assimilated and Christianized:    …the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions... which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea -- previously one of the world’s most important trading highways -- into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam... that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. -- Islam Caused the Dark Ages Add in those unknown millions who died as a consequence. How many know the horrors of the conquest of Malaysia? The Buddhists of Thailand and Malaysia were slaughtered en masse. When attacked and massacred by the Muslims, the Buddhists initially did not make any attempt to escape from their murderers. They accepted death with an air of fatalism and destiny. And hence they are not around today to tell their story. – History of Jihad.org We may never know the numbers of dead. After Muslims came to power in the early 15th century, animist hill peoples eventually disappeared due to their enslavement and ‘incorporation’ into the Muslim population of Malaya, Sumatra, Borneo, and Java via raids, tribute and purchase, especially of children. Java was the largest exporter of slaves around 1500. -- Islam Monitor In the same manner, Islam arrived in the Philippines. Only the appearance of the Spanish stopped a total collapse, and confined Islam to the southern islands. The coming of the Spanish saved the Philippines from Islam, except for the Southern tip where the population had been converted to Islam.-- History of Jihad.org Again, the number of dead is unknown; but add them to the total. The animist Filipinos were eager to ally with the Spanish against Islam. In fact, much of Southeast Asia welcomed the Spanish and Portuguese as preferable to Islam. ...from the 17th century successive Thai kings allied themselves with the seafaring Western powers – the Portuguese and the Dutch and succeeded in staving off the threat of Islam from the Muslim Malays and their Arab overlords.-- History of Jihad.org  A few galleons and muskets were not enough to conquer Asia. Islam had made the Europeans initially appear as liberators; and to a certain extent they were. Who were the real imperialists? Even today... ...Malaysian Jihadis are plotting to transform multi-ethnic Malaysia into an Islamic Caliphate, and fomenting trouble in Southern Thailand.-- History of Jihad.org Add this all up. The African victims. The Indian victims. The European victims. Add in the Armenian genocide. Then add in the lesser known, but no doubt quite large number of victims of Eastern Asia. Add in the jihad committed by Muslims against China, which was invaded in 651 AD. Add in the Crimean Khanate predations on the Slavs, especially their women. Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those killed by war or slavery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination. Now consider the over 125 Million women today who have been genitally mutilated for Islamic honor's sake. In spite of what apologists tell you, the practice is almost totally confined to Islamic areas. New information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed and that FGM is far more tied to religion than many Western academics and activists admit. – “Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly Once thought concentrated in Africa, FGM has now been discovered to be common wherever Islam is found. There are indications that FGM might be a phenomenon of epidemic proportions in the Arab Middle East. Hosken, for instance, notes that traditionally all women in the Persian Gulf region were mutilated. Arab governments refuse to address the problem. -- "Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?" ME Quarterly Remember that this has gone on for 1400 years; and was imposed on a population that had been formerly Christian or pagan. FGM is practiced on large scale in Islamic Indonesia; and is increasing. ...far from scaling down, the problem of FGM in Indonesia has escalated sharply. The mass ceremonies in Bandung have grown bigger and more popular every year. --Guardian The horrified British author of that Guardian article is still deluded that Islam does not support FGM, when in fact it is now settled that FGM is a core Islamic practice. Islamic women have been brainwashed to support their own abuse......

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..........The horrified British author of that Guardian article is still deluded that Islam does not support FGM, when in fact it is now settled that FGM is a core Islamic practice. Islamic women have been brainwashed to support their own abuse. Abu Sahlieh further cited Muhammad as saying, "Circumcision is a sunna (tradition) for the men and makruma (honorable deed) for the women."  -- “Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly What other tyranny does this? Not even the Nazis mutilated their own women! Unlike the 20th-century totalitarians whose killing fury consumed themselves, reducing their longevity, Islam paces itself. In the end, though slower, Islam has killed and tortured far more than any other creed, religious or secular. Unlike secular tyranny, Islam, by virtue of its polygamy and sexual predations, reproduces itself and  increases. Other tyrannies are furious infections, which burn hot, but are soon overcome. Islam is a slow terminal cancer, which metastasizes, and takes over. It never retreats. Its methods are more insidious, often imperceptible at first, driven by demographics. Like cancer, excision may be the only cure. So whenever you read about this or that Israeli outrage -- and there may be truth to the complaint -- place the news in context. Look whom the Israelis are fighting against. Islam is like nothing else in history.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

Murder them.

Ban them.

Nuke them.  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

FGM is not practised in most Muslim nations - which makes me wonder how he concludes its a "core Islamic practice".   I wonder how he accounts for non-Muslim nations in Sub-Saharan Africa which practice FGM?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Still waiting on a definition of what constitutes a "cult" and how Islam fits that definition Sprint!  When you going to supply it?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

so sprint, how about that bet?

In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.


Hmmm thats pretty clear, if you don't understand that I can help you no more.

So, by whywhy's definition Islam is not a cult.

Sprint? hows your personal definition coming along?

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 8:42pm:

So, by whywhy's definition Islam is not a cult. Sprint? hows your personal definition coming along?

Try reading my post again.
You may get enlightened.

I reread your post. I remain unenlightened.
please correct me if am mistaken!

In your post you provide three criterion for determining whether a religion is a cult or not.

You state that Islam meets two out of those three.
therefore, by your definition Islam does not meet the minimum requirements for cult classification.    

My confusion arises from the fact that after not meeting all the criterion(provided by you) you still conclude Islam is a cult.

In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.


Hmmm thats pretty clear, if you don't understand that I can help you no more.

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.......group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool. ‪ The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law. ‪ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. ‪ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s). ‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth). ‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity). ‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society. ‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations). ‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities). ‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion. ‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group. ‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. ‪ The group is preoccupied with making money. ‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities. ‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members. ‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group. ...

http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

thank you sprint. I move that we enshrine this as the default ozpolitic cult definition and proceed to the argument of if/how these traits apply to Islam and Co.

I second that motion.

1. A Muslim who quits Islam has to worry about being killed by another Muslim.

This is the first rule of Islam. This is why so few Muslims quit the faith. This simple fact — alone — makes Islam a cult. It is hard to understate the significance of this cold hard fact about Islam.

This practice is widely followed today throughout the Islamic world. The most frequently quoted Islamic theological source is Sahih Al-Bukhari Number 6922:

Allah’s apostle said, “if anyone changes his (Islamic) religion, then kill him.”

WikiIslam.net says the following: “the rejection of faith, is a serious offense in Islam. The punishment for apostasy as prescribed by Prophet Muhammad is death”.

Don’t let any Muslim try to deny this fact by quoting the Islamic phrase “there is no compulsion in religion”. All Muslims know the Islamic doctrine of “abrogation” negates this phrase. And Muslims only use this phrase when they are trying to deceive non-Muslims

In Afghanistan, NATO had to use a promise of asylum in Europe to get Said Musa out of prison for the crime of converting to Christianity.

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI.org), in clip #3926, translated a broadcast from Al-Arabiya TV on June 14, 2013, which quotes Egyptian Islamist Abu Al-’Ela Abd Rabbo, one of the assassins of secularist Farag Foda in 1992:

Interviewer: What was the religious justification for the assassination of Farag Foda?

Abu Al-’Ela Abd Rabbo: The punishment for an apostate is death, even if he repents.

Need more proof? Simply Google “quit Islam” or, click the this link for an insightful discussion on the issue.

2. Muslims are encouraged to commit violence in the name of Islam.

Muslim theological documents — the Koran, Hadith, and Sunna — are filled with statements which encourage devout Muslims to commit violence in the name of Islam.

Here are just a few:

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19)
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels
In addition to the Muslim theological documents mentioned above, Islamic social norms encourage violence. It is widely noted that Friday is the most likely day when jihad attacks will occur within Muslim society. This is because the mullahs use their Friday pulpits to encourage their flock to commit violence in the name of Islam.

In addition to the Muslim theological documents mentioned above, Islamic social norms encourage violence. It is widely noted that Friday is the most likely day when jihad attacks will occur within Muslim society. This is because the mullahs use their Friday pulpits to encourage their flock to commit violence in the name of Islam.

In Muslim societies, even the media become involved in the incitement to violence. MEMRI.org has translated thousands of articles from print and electronic media. These translated articles are filled with direct incitement to commit violence in the name of Islam.

Remarkably, some of the most glaring examples of incitement to violence come from new “converts” to Islam. Why would a new convert to Islam commit violence? The obvious answer is the “theological” incitement from their new religion — Islam’s core texts.


There is an unfortunate PC effort to deny, ignore and whitewash this Islam inspired violence. The amount of violence committed worldwide since 9/11 is simply too high to overlook.

The web site The Religion of Peace has been collecting, counting, and publishing a list of deadly Islamic terror attacks worldwide since 9/11/2001. As of January 1, 2014 the number was 22,178. Don’t let the PC crowd tell you it is just the same as the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus or the Jews — make them prove it. Only an intellectual buffoon would try to deny the relationship between Islam and violence.

3. Islam does not allow criticism or change.

Islam considers anyone who criticizes or tries to change Islam guilty of blasphemy. And blasphemy is an capital crime under Sharia law. As a result any Muslim who even critiques or attempts to change Islam has to worry about being murdered by some devout Muslim.

In Denmark in late 2013, an 18-year-old Muslim named Yahya Hassan received numerous death threats after reading one of his Islam-critical poems on TV.

It is bad enough that Muslims can’t criticize Islam, but this rule even applies to non-Muslims in non-Muslim societies. Just look at what happened to Theo Van Gogh in Amsterdam. He made a short movie about women in Islam. As Van Gogh walked to work one morning, he was murdered by a devout Muslim named Mohammed Bouyeri. At his trial the murderer told the court Van Gogh had insulted Islam. “What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith,” Bouyeri went on. “I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet.”

The Comedy Central series “South Park” parodied Islam in a couple of 2010 episodes. What happened? According to the New York Times:

Mat Stone and Trey Parker the creators of South Park were threatened by the Islamic web site RevolutionMuslim.com. It warned Mat and Trey “what they are doing is stupid, and they will probably wind up like Theo van Gogh for airing this show. This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them.”

In Seattle, the cartoonist Molly Norris thought she could counter Islamic reality. She declared May 20, 2010 “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”. She published a cartoon with a number of household items (a spool of thread, a cup and saucer, a domino…) all claiming to be Mohammed. Within a week Norris had received numerous death threats. Eventually the Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki put a fatwa on Norris’ head. After talks with the FBI she ultimately had to implement her own “cartoonist protection program”. She has reportedly changed her name, left Seattle, and gone underground.

To make matters worse, Islam encourages devout believers to be “self-initiating” in the enforcement of Sharia law. This means any devout Muslim believer anywhere might commit violence in the blink of an eye, if he finds you doing something he considers offensive to Islam.

4. Muslim theology teaches hatred of non-Muslims.

This practice is widespread within Islamic society. It has been documented by numerous authors literally thousands of time. (See a long list of articles below.)

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI.org) has recorded and translated hundreds of television broadcasts in which Muslim religious leaders encourage hatred and violence against non-Muslims, and especially the Jews.

Here is a screen shot from one:

http://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/memricap.jpg

To make matters worse, this Islamic hate-theology is being taught right here in Western society right under the noses of politically correct governments.

In the United States, the Freedom House Center for Religious Freedom published in 2005 an investigative report titled “Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Invade American Mosques”. This extensive analysis states: “The Saudi Arabian publications in this study, which espouse an ideology of hate and purport to be the authoritative interpretation of Islam, continue to be in plentiful supply at some of our nation’s main mosques and continue to be used as a principal educational resource on Islam for Muslims in America”. (Is there any wonder how the Boston Marathon bombers got their ideas?)

In the UK a Dispatches Magazine Channel 4 news undercover reporter joined mosque “worshippers to find a message of religious bigotry and extremism being preached. He captures chilling sermons in which Saudi-trained preachers proclaim the supremacy of Islam, preach hatred for non-Muslims.”

After this Dispatches report aired, there was a public outcry. Muslim spokespersons said this was an aberration and that the problem had been cured. Months later Dispatches returned, and found a continuation of hate teaching in the mosques.

5. Islam matches the “Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups” according to the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA).

As posted by Sprint.

In the last 10 years 150,000 people have been murdered by christians in america. somebody please stop this evil death cult.

sorry, a few posts late. oh well, better quantity than quality.

The following is a description of what cult is:   

1. A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
2. The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
3. Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
4. Venerate a human leader or leaders
5. Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
6. People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
7. Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
8. Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
9. Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
10. The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
11. Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
12. Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
13. Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
14. Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
15. People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
16. Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
17. The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

All these traits are present in Islam.

1. Islam claims to be a religion with strong devotion to Muhammad and a set of unsubstantiated doctrines presented by him. Monotheism is used as a pretext to exert absolute control over the believers, leaving them no chance to question or investigate alternative paths.

2. Muhammad forced his followers to leave their families (8:72) and gathered them in Yathrib. He said: “And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes”. He warned those who did not follow him, leaving behind their families, will be cursed by Allah and “their habitation will be hell”(4:97). Muhammad went as far as to order his followers to murder those Muslims who defected his barricade.(4:89)  In Yathrib he banished and killed the Jews who did not believe in him, thus eliminating the chance of his followers coming in contact with outsiders and being influenced by anyone. In this way he exerted absolute control over the lives and the minds of his followers. Jim Jones did the same. He called his town "Jonestown". Muhammad changed the name of Yathirb to Madinatul Nabi (Prophet’s Town)

3. He used manipulative methods to control the minds of his followers. These methods ranged from threat of hellfire, and promises of paradise, to exhaustive rituals of prayers and fasts, devised to numb the thought, and threat of physical punishment including execution and constant warfare, keeping his followers in perpetual state of agitation.

4. He established himself as the sole authority among his followers and the only source of guidance to the extent that they looked up to him for every detail of their lives, including how to dress, how to shave, how to pray and even how to urinate and how to clean after bowl movement. Ostensibly the worship was to God but effectively he was the only object of veneration of his followers and the only authority. Nominally God was to be obeyed but he was God's proxy, thus assuming the authority of God.

5. All believers were asked to promote his cause through Jihad, propaganda or by giving generously from their wealth. 4:95, 9:20, 49:15, 61:11

6. The criticism of Muhammad and Islam was totally prohibited and if anyone dared to question him or his decisions, Omar swiftly unshielded his sword and threatened to slash the throat of the intrepid questioner forcing him to apologize. The message was sent in a very clear tone that no one must question Muhammad and his authority. 1400 years later, the message remains the same. If you question Islam you will be killed.

7. Muslims are told to dismiss any criticism of Islam as coming from Satan and they often avoid reading critical views about their Faith. I have received testimonies of apostates who confessed that at first when they came across this site they stopped reading it and dismissed it as the work of Satan. See this I myself never read any book critical of Islam and once frowned at a friend who expressed her curiosity about Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses.

8. Muslims are encouraged to spy on each other and report any sign of dissent. Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil Munkir (Commanding to follow the religion and preventing from doing what is prohibited) is a tenet of Islam. Every Muslim is required to poke his nose in the private lives of others, spy on them and tell them what they should do and what they should not do. Every Muslim is an enforcer of religion and the moral police for others.

9. Muslims suppress anything that might present Islam in negative light. Preserving the image of Islam is of utmost importance and Muslims lie with clarity of conscience to misrepresent their religion and make it look good. For example women in Islam are treated like animals and are considered as deficient in intelligence. Every Muslim knows that including the women, who blame the men for it but not the Islam. But they lie through their teeth bragging about the "elevated" status of women in Islam. Jihad means aggressive war to expand Islam. Every Muslim knows that. Yet all of them lie and say Jihad means "self defense". A couple of years ago I received a very angry email from a Muslim who cursed me for revealing the fact that Muhammad had slept with a 9-year old child and at the end he said “the damage is already done” and I will be certainly punished for what I had done. The fact that Muhammad slept with a child did not bother this Muslim but what bothered him was revealing this fact.   

10. Islam is extremely absolutist and Muslims believe that it is the only true religion. This “truth” however is not self evident. It is "true" because Muhammad said so.

11. Muslims are told to shun the apostates and the critics of Islam. New converts are often circled and are isolated from their non-Muslim family and friends. They are showered with love and receive a lot of emotional support until the brainwashing is complete.

12. Muslims are instilled with the fear of leaving Islam. This fear comes in two forms. One is the fear of Hell and of eternal punishment and the other is the fear of being caught and put to death by fellow Muslims, including their best friends and family.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

The following is a description of what cult is:    1. A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members. 2. The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques 3. Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers 4. Venerate a human leader or leaders 5. Recruiting work is performed by all of the members 6. People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult. 7. Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan. 8. Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders. 9. Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult. 10. The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth." 11. Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives. 12. Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished. 13. Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished. 14. Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine. 15. People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult. 16. Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders. 17. The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though! :)

13. Those who leave Islam must live in constant threat of being discovered and killed. In Muslims’ Comments section of this site you can see that Muslims often talk about this fear and say they pity me for having to look over my shoulders all the time and live in fear of being assassinated. The values are so distorted that they do not pity themselves for being the assassins but pity me for having to live in their fear.

14. In Islam disciplinary action includes beating, maiming, stoning, beheading or jail. Excommunication is for minor offenses. The poet Ka’b and two others were excommunicated for fifty days and during that time no one spoke to them. Ka’b’s wife was told to leave him and wherever he went people ignored him as if he was invisible. All this, because he did not accompany Muhammad in the war of Tabutk.

15. Muslims are told to sacrifice their comfort, their wealth and including their lives to promote Islam. Young men are encouraged to leave their studies and work, wage Jihad, and commit suicide bombing to make Islam dominant. Family and even children are regarded as "tests" of the believers. To prove their loyalty to Allah, they must be able to forgo all these "worldly attachments" and get ready to sacrifice their lives in the cause of Islam.

16. Muslims are discouraged to take friends from amongst the unbelievers even if these unbelievers are their kin. 3:28 They are told the unbelievers are najis (filthy) 9:28  and that the believers should not associate with them.

17. The belief in the Day of Judgment and the Dooms Day is one of the pillars of the Islamic Faith. 

Based on the above, Islam is a cult. It is the biggest and the most successful cult. It practically reunites every feature of cult. Other cults may not be cultic in some of the above points. But Islam is cultic in every way and it would be a gross mistake to number it among religions just because 1.2 billion benighted people call themselves Muslims.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:21pm:

In the last 10 years 150,000 people have been murdered by christians in america. somebody please stop this evil death cult. sorry, a few posts late. oh well, better quantity than quality.

Where did you get that information from, a post by you is hardly an authority on statistics. Care to back that up with facts.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though! :)

No. Other definitions of cults are still relevant for observation just to see if they too class islam as a cult. The more the merrier.

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate)

I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs.

please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:27pm: please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though! :) No. Other definitions of cults are still relevant for observation just to see if they too class islam as a cult. The more the merrier.

If you cannot stick to one definition for more than 5 posts, after agreeing to use it as the default definition, can i question your grasp on the art of debate?

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate) I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs. please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

this is one reason I don't bother to answer pho

saw from his first posting he did not warrant answering

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:23pm: The following is a description of what cult is:    1. A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members. 2. The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques 3. Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers 4. Venerate a human leader or leaders 5. Recruiting work is performed by all of the members 6. People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult. 7. Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan. 8. Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders. 9. Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult. 10. The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth." 11. Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives. 12. Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished. 13. Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished. 14. Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine. 15. People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult. 16. Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders. 17. The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day. please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though! :)

this is another

having two separate definitions is the definition of idiocy.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:40pm: the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate) I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs. please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning. this is one reason I don't bother to answer pho saw from his first posting he did not warrant answering

thanks for the clarification sprint :) i had just assumed you didn't understand......... easy mistake to make i guess ::)

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate) I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs. please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

Since by definition a Christian follows the teachings of Christ and he teaches not to kill but rather love instead. I would say your murderers are not Christians at all. Just a wild guess of course. Anyone can identify as a Christian or muslim and still not be one.

Now if they were muslims as in the arab world sure. The quran encourages it. So I doubt very much that any real Christians were in your stats since they wouldn't clearly be Christians in the first place according to what a Christian actually is.

Secondly I found no stats relating it to religion. Here are some stats for you I am sure you will find interesting on islam alone since you are interested in the bigger killing machine.

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

More civilians were killed by Muslim hijackers in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm

Muslim fundamentalists kill more people everyday than were killed during the entire Salem Witch Trials.
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-united-states-1608-1976-state

Islamic terrorists murder more people everyday than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 70 years.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

Islamic extremists massacred more Iraqis on a single day in June, 2014 than the number of American criminals executed in the last 40 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Speicher_massacre
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-united-states-1608-1976-state

Sunni supremacists slaughtered more Yazidi minorities on August 14, 2014 than the number of black Americans lynched by White supremacists in the previous 100 years.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/isis-massacred-796-yazidis-while-obama-campaigned-against-iraq-war/
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:43pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:27pm: please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though! :) No. Other definitions of cults are still relevant for observation just to see if they too class islam as a cult. The more the merrier. If you cannot stick to one definition for more than 5 posts, after agreeing to use it as the default definition, can i question your grasp on the art of debate?

I did. I just compared another along side it. Did that scare you ?
I agree the Pink Lady Apple tastes the best. Doesn't stop me comparing others that make it even more beautiful. On that premise it is clear your grasp on art and its application to debate is non existent.

Never the less it is clear Islam is a cult.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:07am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:43pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:32pm: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:27pm: please delete. i proposed and you accepted the use of sprints earlier definition. thanks though! :) No. Other definitions of cults are still relevant for observation just to see if they too class islam as a cult. The more the merrier. If you cannot stick to one definition for more than 5 posts, after agreeing to use it as the default definition, can i question your grasp on the art of debate? I did. I just compared another along side it. Did that scare you ? I agree the Pink Lady Apple tastes the best. Doesn't stop me comparing others that make it even more beautiful. On that premise it is clear your grasp on art and its application to debate is non existent. Never the less it is clear Islam is a cult.

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion.
so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate) I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs. please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning.

pho,

I prefer referring to these 'statistics'.

------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



pho,

QUESTION;

If your stats [of all of those homicides being committed within predominantly Christian nations] are relevant, where is the corresponding WWW site, to this one....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

The WWW site, which catalogues all of the atrocities committed by Christians, DAILY ???

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

having two separate definitions is the definition of idiocy.

Observer #1, "ISLAM is peace!"

Observer #2, "No, no, ISLAM is is a death cult!"


IMO, there are a lot of idiots abroad in the world.

Truth needs no caretaker, of it.

Truth is robust.

And what is true, always becomes apparent.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:28am:

maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion. so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please?

You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well.

You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

Yadda wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:30am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:40pm: the stated number 150000 is an approximation derived from the total number of homocides 168000, and the proportion of population self identifying as christian(86%). (Use wiki or ameristat they correlate) I may be off be 10 thou or so but given the fact that america has a population one sixth of the arab world and still manages to kill 8 times as many people as all the extremists combined, quantifiably americans are more dangerous than arabs. please feel free to check the stats before replying, i welcome correction. its a path to learning. pho, I prefer referring to these 'statistics'. ------- > THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/ pho, QUESTION; If your stats [of all of those homicides being committed within predominantly Christian nations] are relevant, where is the corresponding WWW site, to this one.... THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/ The WWW site, which catalogues all of the atrocities committed by Christians, DAILY ???

The absence of a website cataloging behavior doesn't prove that behavior is non-existent. Cmon Yadda, Your smarter than this post.
   
I live near a dangerous intersection. 14 people have been killed there over the last 15 years. Their is no website keeping track of fatalities at this intersection. It is still a dangerous intersection. 

Yadda, why does the religionofpeace.com only provide information only Islamic crimes-
Does it lack the scope to provide coverage of other religions, or do you think it attempts to create the impression that other religions members do not commit atrocities?

Yadda wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:36am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 11:50pm: having two separate definitions is the definition of idiocy. Observer #1, "ISLAM is peace!" Observer #2, "No, no, ISLAM is is a death cult!"

Opinions and definitions are not the same thing Yadda

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:28am: maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion. so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please? You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well. You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

It'ld be hard to NOT define islam as a cult.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:28am: maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion. so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please? You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well. You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ?

Why do you need to post a secondary definition if a definitive definition has already been posted, and agreed to by you ?

I would presume its because you found a website that already states that Islam is a cult, and rather than expend the effort of editing their work to fit the definition selected by you, you just copied and pasted their content with an attached definition. Lazy and unoriginal- Not what I would have expected from someone who states authenticity to be paramount in a written article (this is the correct use of the word "paramount").

The idea of a single standard definition is to enable us unenlightened people to understand the complex ideas and philosophies promoted by intelligent people such as your self WhyWhyWhy.

My brain is slow and inflexible, and I struggle to present a cogent argument if the meaning of important terms of debate like "cult" is  changed every 5 or 6 posts.

If you can try and communicate down at my level for a few pages, maybe keeping to one expansive definition of Cult, that would be greatly appreciated.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:38am: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 12:28am: maybe next time compare definitions prior to agreeing to a definitive definition. not after. helps avoid confusion. so for clarification, can you decide on one of the two definitions as a definitive definition for future reference, please? You seem a bit slow. A definitive one was agreed to it never changed. Another one was posted and low and behold islam still came out a cult too wow that's our definitive one and another one. I wonder how many others out there determine islam to be a cult as well. You sure your not a really a muslim getting all upset inside like hot breath does with his new id dev null ? It'ld be hard to NOT define islam as a cult.

Its hard to define any religion as anything other than a cult.
IMHO the only difference between a cult and religion is size.

I don't think there is a difference Pho.

'Cult' is just a word people can use to describe a religion they don't like.

Agreed.

But i'm looking forward to the literary gymnastics that will ensue when people try to create a definition of cult that includes Islam while excluding Christianity/Judaism/Scientology etc etc etc 

People generally use the word to describe a group or belief which has ominous, sinister intentions .

cult noun:

1/. Followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

2/. A religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false

islam fits the bill perfectly.

Isn't the only difference between an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion and a cult popularity?

In Roman times Polytheism was the in thing, and Islam, Christianity and Judaism were Cults.

Now days The last three are all large scale accepted religions and the anyone who goes around worshiping Pluto is considered a bit of a nutter.   

The religions themselves havn't changed much, rather the public perception of the creeds.

moses wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

People generally use the word to describe a group or belief which has ominous, sinister intentions .

As I said - describing a religion that someone doesn't like  :D

When your low on quantitative information to support you stated position emotive language becomes extremely important!

sums up moses to a tee Pho.

I'd say that the torture and murder sanctioned in the qur'an is very definately ominous and sinister to the extreme

I wont argue with that, your entitled to your own opinion.

Maybe try to keep your opinions separated from quantitative statements, At least it will allow us the luxury of assuming you know the difference.

I wonder if moses noticed my retarded circular argument thread.

I think most have noticed your retarded circular argument thread. Probably a few others as well I'd say.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 4:32pm:

When your low on quantitative information to support you stated position emotive language becomes extremely important!

Ah that would explain your posts then when you said you read the quran numerous times and the bible yet knew not much about either. ;D ;D ;D

moses wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

People generally use the word to describe a group or belief which has ominous, sinister intentions . cult noun: 1/. Followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader 2/. A religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false islam fits the bill perfectly.

Absolutely. Shame the cult members can't see it. They will remain blind, led by blind guides fulfilling their own carnal desires at their expense.. Jesus prophesied them.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 11:12pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 4:32pm: When your low on quantitative information to support you stated position emotive language becomes extremely important! Ah that would explain your posts then when you said you read the quran numerous times and the bible yet knew not much about either. ;D ;D ;D

I really try to stay away from emotive language though I find it hard to resist the dark call of sarcasm.

so, did you end on deciding on a particular definition or did you figure it would be easier to skip straight to your preferred conclusion and skip all that tedious intellectual debate?


p.s i have read the quran twice, and the bible numerous times.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:12pm: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 4:32pm: When your low on quantitative information to support you stated position emotive language becomes extremely important! Ah that would explain your posts then when you said you read the quran numerous times and the bible yet knew not much about either. ;D ;D ;D I really try to stay away from emotive language though I find it hard to resist the dark call of sarcasm. so, did you end on deciding on a particular definition or did you figure it would be easier to skip straight to your preferred conclusion and skip all that tedious intellectual debate? p.s i have read the quran twice, and the bible numerous times.

Of course you have thats why you know them so well ;D ;D ;D

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 12:03am:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:56pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:12pm: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 4:32pm: When your low on quantitative information to support you stated position emotive language becomes extremely important! Ah that would explain your posts then when you said you read the quran numerous times and the bible yet knew not much about either. ;D ;D ;D I really try to stay away from emotive language though I find it hard to resist the dark call of sarcasm. so, did you end on deciding on a particular definition or did you figure it would be easier to skip straight to your preferred conclusion and skip all that tedious intellectual debate? p.s i have read the quran twice, and the bible numerous times. Of course you have thats why you know them so well ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for your mature, constructive reply.

Honestly I actually had a nostalgic reflex and remembered arguing with kids in primary school when I read your post.  :)

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 6^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 6th, 2015 at 12:03am: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:56pm: LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:12pm: Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 4:32pm: When your low on quantitative information to support you stated position emotive language becomes extremely important! Ah that would explain your posts then when you said you read the quran numerous times and the bible yet knew not much about either. ;D ;D ;D I really try to stay away from emotive language though I find it hard to resist the dark call of sarcasm. so, did you end on deciding on a particular definition or did you figure it would be easier to skip straight to your preferred conclusion and skip all that tedious intellectual debate? p.s i have read the quran twice, and the bible numerous times. Of course you have thats why you know them so well ;D ;D ;D Thanks for your mature, constructive reply. Honestly I actually had a nostalgic reflex and remembered arguing with kids in primary school when I read your post.  :)

No problems at all.

Come back when you get out of primary and have finished UNI you will be able to interact at a more mature level. Well after UNI you would still be at an immature lefty level but a higher level nevertheless.

Did you go to university? If so i believe your entitled to a full refund.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Did you go to university? If so i believe your entitled to a full refund.

How long did it take for your refund to come through Karnal ?

This would be a refund for the university you said I didn't go to.

Like i said, your thought process is very convoluted.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

This would be a refund for the university you said I didn't go to. Like i said, your thought process is very convoluted.

The irony in your own post amazes me.
I am still trying to make your first sentence coherent.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7th, 2015 at 1:48pm: This would be a refund for the university you said I didn't go to. Like i said, your thought process is very convoluted. The irony in your own post amazes me. I am still trying to make your first sentence coherent.

you said this:


LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Come back when you get out of primary and have finished UNI.

Then you said this:


LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

How long did it take for your refund to come through Pho ?

Your first post stated I was in primary school, and had not attended uni.

Your second post stated that I deserved a refund for my university course.

I know its a lot to keep track of.

I was talking Lisa Jones Degrees.

Anyone can buy them online as long as you know how to use a paypal account.

Honestly pho, best to ignore it. He'll go away eventually - and possibly crash the board again in the process...

Cheers Gandy, Your quite correct. i'm working on it.

I love debate, and its been weirdly enjoyable reasoning with Why, kind of like trying to remove Excalibur. 

Its an impossible and pointless task. But if you can do it, it would demonstrate an inner being above the common man.

I guess I have been measured and fallen short :)

Quote:

A gang armed with machetes hacked a secular blogger to death today in the fourth such murder in Bangladesh this year

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/fourth-secular-blogger-killed-in-bangladesh/story-e6frg6so-1227474807890

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Isn't the only difference between an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion and a cult popularity? In Roman times Polytheism was the in thing, and Islam, Christianity and Judaism were Cults. Now days The last three are all large scale accepted religions and the anyone who goes around worshiping Pluto is considered a bit of a nutter.    The religions themselves havn't changed much, rather the public perception of the creeds.

So Islam (Christianity, Judaism) are mere fashions.

Why do Islamists kill in the name of fashion?   They are obviously not as sophisticated as you (imagine yourself to be).

Mohammed is not Allah's final messenger - he is a mere fashonista.

This is so daft, it must be your own idea.

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 5th, 2015 at 4:18pm: Isn't the only difference between an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion and a cult popularity? In Roman times Polytheism was the in thing, and Islam, Christianity and Judaism were Cults. Now days The last three are all large scale accepted religions and the anyone who goes around worshiping Pluto is considered a bit of a nutter.    The religions themselves havn't changed much, rather the public perception of the creeds. So Islam (Christianity, Judaism) are mere fashions. Why do Islamists kill in the name of fashion?   They are obviously not as sophisticated as you (imagine yourself to be). Mohammed is not Allah's final messenger - he is a mere fashonista. This is so daft, it must be your own idea.

Well at least i'm not being accused of plagiarism :)

Religion is analogous to fashion in that varies in popularity over time and location and changes to reflect the zeitgeist of the times.

you've got to look at the millenial scale to see major shifts though, its certainly not as transient as fashion in art.

Regardless, Islam fails to meet what is the most important test of cult status which is size.

When used in every definition other than religion (music, film, history) cult denotes subjects with a devoted but small followings. Thus the size of the following can be considered as a critical aspect of cult status.

Say what you will of Islamic doctrine there is no denying that it has enough of a following that describing it as cult would be a misnomer.

moses wrote on Aug 5^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

I'd say that the torture and murder sanctioned in the qur'an is very definately ominous and sinister to the extreme

Not to mention the fact there is no proof either mohammed  or the quran even existed in the time they claim it was. Islam fits all major definitions of a murderous cult. The world already has had a gut full of muslims.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Honestly pho, best to ignore it. He'll go away eventually - and possibly crash the board again in the process...

;D ;D ;D ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7th, 2015 at 4:34pm: Honestly pho, best to ignore it. He'll go away eventually - and possibly crash the board again in the process... ;D ;D ;D ;D

What I think is even more funny is you needing to make out you are married with a husband and kids and you actually think people believe you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Honestly pho, best to ignore it. He'll go away eventually - and possibly crash the board again in the process...

Times are pretty hard when a so called global moderator needs to make silly stuff up because he gets all upset. Next you will be banning people because they show you up for not knowing what you are talking about.

All you do here is try and respond to FD no one else. Even then all you do is run in circles and provide no real justifiable Islamic responses that are inline with islamic doctrine. You never answer questions posed to you by anyone other than FD all you provide is a cursory dodge, no answers to their direct questions at all. If FD wasn't the owner of this forum you wouldn't give him the time of day and spend so much time in non responses to him as well.

Your childish need to make out everyone is someone called matty and anyone that proves you wrong is about to go crash the board just shows that you know deep down what you believe in being islam is all rubbish anyway. So you lash out with matty this matty that and board crashes. This is evident in your non responses to posters questions. Are you Karnal by any chance ? ,surely not.

So for a so called global moderator carrying on accusing people of going to crash the board I'd say you are the board crasher so you get the sympathy vote more to the point. Why on earth would someone want to crash a board with all the posts that are publicly visible in this Islam forum. I think all the publicly viewable posts here are fantastic and a great representation of islam why would someone want to hide that.

Anyway if its a sympathy vote you wanted you can always have mine and I am supposed to be islams biggest threat, ole matty , and have superpowers to crash your prescious online forum ;D ;D ;D .

Feel free to be mature, or even respond in kind to people that ask you to go deeper into your non responses to them about what you think you actually know about islam, I won't stop you.

Now the question is, can you actually take criticism like a grown man without abusing your banning power on this board yet again. That will be interesting to see if you have matured.

Muslims never answer questions, Matty. It's not G's fault, he's just obeying his sinister prophet.

Muslim == a follower of Islam.

Karnal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Muslims never answer questions, Matty. It's not G's fault, he's just obeying his sinister prophet. Muslim == a follower of Islam.

No worries Pho, did that upset you.

Smile and be happy.

meanwhile in today's news, doing their best to be number one murder cult

Dozens dead in Kabul Police Academy attack

Blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh

13 dead, four freed in Mali hotel siege

Boko Haram abducts scores in Cameroon raid

Over 2000 executed by jihadists in Mosul

Saudi mosque blast kills 15

IS threatens to execute abducted Croatian

moses wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

meanwhile in today's news, doing their best to be number one murder cult Dozens dead in Kabul Police Academy attack Blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh 13 dead, four freed in Mali hotel siege Boko Haram abducts scores in Cameroon raid Over 2000 executed by jihadists in Mosul Saudi mosque blast kills 15 IS threatens to execute abducted Croatian

bump

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Times are pretty hard when a so called global moderator needs to make silly stuff up because he gets all upset. Next you will be banning people because they show you up for not knowing what you are talking about.

No, that's FD in the feedback board.