It doesn't mention Islam in the report, but after all this Dubai.
But I don't know of another religion which would have some of its followers believe this is what their god wants.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192381/Asian-father-daughter-drowned-Dubai-sea-stopped-lifeguards-saving-didn-t-want-touched-strange-men.html

Obviously nothing. Just as it says virtually nothing about IS atrocities.

?

There was a fire in a school in Saudi Arabia where young girls died because they were not allowed to leave without their hijabs.


Quote:

Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing the correct Islamic dress. 15 girls died in the fire on Monday. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

What all this says to me is that Islam is evil

A quick read of the Quran might tell you similar things.

Yes I just heard about this.

Digusting behaviour.

Charge him for murder as far as I'm concerned.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:10pm:

What all this says to me is that Islam is evil

There is no such thing as honour killings or the like in islam.

The guy was stupid to not let his daughter be helped even by strange men. If anything seemed like the muslims wanted to help the girl

wally1 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

If anything seemed like the muslims wanted to help the girl

shhh - don't mess up the meme here wally.

Many of these ME countries are bogged down in cultural inhibitions, yet cultural relativism declares them equal to those that are actually more progressive. This is the conundrum facing Western multi-culturalism.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 8:18pm: If anything seemed like the muslims wanted to help the girl shhh - don't mess up the meme here wally.

Gandalf, you could have stated that in this case, the father was probably an extremist Muslim and that you, as a moderate Muslim found his response to the situation to be both inappropriate and repugnant.

But you didn't.

You even remained silent about the role these life savers played.

You could have stated that you, as a moderate Muslim, believe they could have done more to override the decision of one man trying to play God with the life of another....in this case..the life of a defenceless girl fighting to survive her most frightening last moments on this earth.

But you didn't.

And he didn't explain why it is that so many, so very many followers of Islam receive these perverted ideas from it.

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 9:44am:

you, as a moderate Muslim found his response to the situation to be both inappropriate and repugnant. But you didn't.

Read my first post again. Does "disgusting behaviour" work for you?


Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 9:44am:

You could have stated that you, as a moderate Muslim, believe they could have done more to override the decision of one man trying to play God with the life of another....in this case..the life of a defenceless girl fighting to survive her most frightening last moments on this earth.

Let me be clear - if the lifesavers were even in the smallest way deterred by the man to halt their efforts to save a life - then they are culpable for the death too - and should be punished accordingly. I don't know the full story or what their actual efforts involved - but two men dedicated to pinning the father down while the rest concentrated on rescuing the girl would seem an appropriate response.

And you are right - it does seem slightly unbelievable that a group of (presumably) young, fit and healthy rescuers were completely held at bay by a single man.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

And he didn't explain why it is that so many, so very many followers of Islam receive these perverted ideas from it.

Why don't you tell me bogarde?

Please point me to the passage of Islamic text that states "thou shalt not have your dying daughter rescued in case she must be touched by a non-relative male".

Its beyond stupid - the man is a murderer pure and simple. I'd string him up myself if given the opportunity - as well as any lifeguards that let themselves be persuaded by him.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 9:44am: you, as a moderate Muslim found his response to the situation to be both inappropriate and repugnant. But you didn't. Read my first post again. Does "disgusting behaviour" work for you? Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 9:44am: You could have stated that you, as a moderate Muslim, believe they could have done more to override the decision of one man trying to play God with the life of another....in this case..the life of a defenceless girl fighting to survive her most frightening last moments on this earth. Let me be clear - if the lifesavers were even in the smallest way deterred by the man to halt their efforts to save a life - then they are culpable for the death too - and should be punished accordingly. I don't know the full story or what their actual efforts involved - but two men dedicated to pinning the father down while the rest concentrated on rescuing the girl would seem an appropriate response. And you are right - it does seem slightly unbelievable that a group of (presumably) young, fit and healthy rescuers were completely held at bay by a single man.

Thank you.  :)

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 9:59am: And he didn't explain why it is that so many, so very many followers of Islam receive these perverted ideas from it. Why don't you tell me bogarde? Please point me to the passage of Islamic text that states "thou shalt not have your dying daughter rescued in case she must be touched by a non-relative male". Its beyond stupid - the man is a murderer pure and simple. I'd string him up myself if given the opportunity - as well as any lifeguards that let themselves be persuaded by him.

I'm actually relieved to read this.

You weren't all too clear about your position before.

I'm glad both Bogarde and myself pressed you further.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 8:18pm: If anything seemed like the muslims wanted to help the girl shhh - don't mess up the meme here wally.

The only meme I see here Gandalf is the usual obfuscation and avoidance of the issue.
The fact that you profess to be disgusted and would string the person up yourself is not really relevant to the issue.
The issue is, why is it that these incidents continue to occur involving Islamic communities? One is left with the conclusion that the attitudes that give rise to the behaviour are directly given by the teaching of the religion.
You tell me that none of these attitudes, such as to women, form part of the scripture of the religion but it seems to me they are being imposed on muslims everywhere still, even here today, they will be passed on as the teachings of Islam.

My conclusion is that it is incumbent upon professed muslims living in western liberal democracies to deny that these elements of sharia law or cultural customs have any place in their beliefs or lives.
I understand this may require some courage.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

My conclusion is that it is incumbent upon professed muslims living in western liberal democracies to deny that these elements of sharia law or cultural customs have any place in their beliefs or lives.

You're obviously not familiar with my posting history here - for the last 3 years.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 3:06pm: My conclusion is that it is incumbent upon professed muslims living in western liberal democracies to deny that these elements of sharia law or cultural customs have any place in their beliefs or lives. You're obviously not familiar with my posting history here - for the last 3 years.

You? But you’re not Abu.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 4:36pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 3:06pm: My conclusion is that it is incumbent upon professed muslims living in western liberal democracies to deny that these elements of sharia law or cultural customs have any place in their beliefs or lives. You're obviously not familiar with my posting history here - for the last 3 years. You? But you’re not Abu.

I thought Gandalf was Abu....but with new pyjamas  ;D

Two questions, Bogard.

1. Are you asking about what "Islam" as in the religion of today, represented by all Muslims, have to say on this issue?

How do you collect the opinion of a majority of Muslims from around the world?  Particularly considering how difficult it would be in say Afghanistan, NW Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Niger, Northern Nigeria and elsewhere where conflict is?

2.  Are you asking about what "Islam" says theocratically or practically?

Are you asking what the Koran and Hadiths say about it, what the Muslim theocrats say or what the lay person of Islam says?

I'm genuinely interested...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

The Pew society did an interesting survey on the views of Muslims from around the world.

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Two questions, Bogard. 1. Are you asking about what "Islam" as in the religion of today, represented by all Muslims, have to say on this issue? How do you collect the opinion of a majority of Muslims from around the world?  Particularly considering how difficult it would be in say Afghanistan, NW Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Niger, Northern Nigeria and elsewhere where conflict is? 2.  Are you asking about what "Islam" says theocratically or practically? Are you asking what the Koran and Hadiths say about it, what the Muslim theocrats say or what the lay person of Islam says? I'm genuinely interested...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Let me say, I'm not looking to be that analytical.

I see what I see from news reports all round the world. All colours of media.
And what I see are incidents like the above coming up time & time again. And I hear people, like Gandalf, tell me this is not what Islam is about.

And I ask myself, how can that be true if so many professed supporters & believers in Islam act and behave in a way that is absolute anathema to western culture, or indeed to any idea of civilisation at all.

And I further ask myself, and those around me, and the population at large, do you want to expose yourself to the risk of having a significant population of such people in your midst?

And I answer, no way, absolutely not!

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

The Pew society did an interesting survey on the views of Muslims from around the world.

It's only interesting on Malaysia, FD.

freediver wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

The Pew society did an interesting survey on the views of Muslims from around the world.

But only on a sample FD.  I asked for views of the majority of Muslims.  Two very different things as you well know, if you were honest about them.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 4:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 4:36pm: bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12th, 2015 at 3:06pm: My conclusion is that it is incumbent upon professed muslims living in western liberal democracies to deny that these elements of sharia law or cultural customs have any place in their beliefs or lives. You're obviously not familiar with my posting history here - for the last 3 years. You? But you’re not Abu. I thought Gandalf was Abu....but with new pyjamas  ;D

He most certainly is. Gandalf is our new Abu. Just a while ago he was threatening to blow up the Mardi Gras. G holds the most reactionary views on hommers, you see (the giver and the taker). He hates democracy. He can't stand women walking around without burqas - he calls them plates of meat. Like most Muslims, he's practically illiterate. He only reads Muslim hate-sites that tell them to kill whitey. He's a terrorist suspect. He's pretty much the antithesis of everything we hold dear to our hearts - liberty, equality, fraternity.

Actually, scrap that. We actually want tyranny, inequality and hatred, but this doesn't sound as nice in French.

Miam miam.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

And what I see are incidents like the above coming up time & time again. And I hear people, like Gandalf, tell me this is not what Islam is about.

Oh really bogarde? Thats funny because you only just finished lecturing me about how the problem is all about me *NOT* pointing this out.

Are you saying its a different problem now?

You can never give a straight answer Gandalf.
What's that about? Is that part of the culture too?
Never give a straight answer to an infidel?

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

You can never give a straight answer Gandalf. What's that about? Is that part of the culture too? Never give a straight answer to an infidel?

straight answer about what bogarde?

I made it clear it is *NOT* part of Islam, it is silly backward cultural stuff.

Exactly what wasn't I straight about? Be honest please.

Anyway, I have it on good authority that this episode happened 19 years ago.

Tellingly, the Daily Fail has now pulled the story from their site.

here you go...



Quote:

Dubai: The story of an Asian father who attempted to stop rescuers from saving his drowning daughter is not new, as the incident happened 19 years ago, Dubai Police said on Wednesday. Lt Col Ahmad Atiq Burqibah, Deputy Director of the Search and Rescue Department at the General Directorate of Transport and Rescue at Dubai Police, told Gulf News that the story of the girl was part of an interview for a website where he was asked to recall an incident that he cannot forget. Soon after, the report went viral and was picked by foreign media as “an Asian father refusing to let male rescuers save his drowning daughter, because they would dishonour her”.

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/society/drowning-daughter-in-dubai-story-is-19-years-old-1.1565667

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

here you go... Quote: Dubai: The story of an Asian father who attempted to stop rescuers from saving his drowning daughter is not new, as the incident happened 19 years ago, Dubai Police said on Wednesday. Lt Col Ahmad Atiq Burqibah, Deputy Director of the Search and Rescue Department at the General Directorate of Transport and Rescue at Dubai Police, told Gulf News that the story of the girl was part of an interview for a website where he was asked to recall an incident that he cannot forget. Soon after, the report went viral and was picked by foreign media as “an Asian father refusing to let male rescuers save his drowning daughter, because they would dishonour her”. http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/society/drowning-daughter-in-dubai-story-is-19-years-old-1.1565667

There was a story of a UAE royal who tortured a citizen and paid blood money to get out of trouble.

The Islamic concept of blood money gives wealthy people a chance to escape punishment.

Baron I really don't know why you told us that after quoting that post of mine.