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Message started by Unforgiven on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:32pm

Title: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:32pm
He defeated the protection of Rio Tinto by laws preventing victims from suing the offending companies directly. Everybody knows that compensation under workers compensation act is miserable and more can be obtained by direct legal action.

Why would anybody take legal action if they received justice from the workers compensation system? It just demonstrates that the worker compensation system protects the establishment more than it protects workers.

Worshipful Masters everywhere will be having sleepless nights.




Quote:
Rio Tinto loses court appeal against asbestosis compensation ruling to dying worker Zorko Zabic
By James Oaten and Elizabeth Byrne
Updated Wed at 1:00pm

The High Court has thrown out an appeal by mining giant Rio Tinto against an asbestos compensation claim, setting a precedent for the Northern Territory.

Zorko Zabic, 74, worked at the Gove alumina refinery in the 1970s cleaning asbestos from pipes, and was diagnosed with mesothelioma after suffering chest pains early last year.

In January, the Supreme Court had ruled Mr Zabic developed the malignant mesothelioma as a result of exposure to asbestos dust and negligence by the mine operators, Alcan Gove, which has since been bought by mining giant Rio Tinto.

But the court ruled against the claim because the symptoms emerged after the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, which prevents such compensation claims being made in the courts after 1987.

This was overturned by the NT Court of Appeal in March.

Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family... we accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved.
Rio Tinto, from a statement issued after the High Court appeal rejection
"The appellant sustained an injury of the kind defined in the act during and following his inhalation of asbestos fibres," the Court of Appeal ruling said.

"That damage inevitably and inexorably led to the onset of malignant mesothelioma."

In rejecting Rio Tinto's latest challenge, the High Court has upheld the Court of Appeal decision.

High Court sets precedent

The arguments submitted to the High Court centred on whether the injuries suffered by Mr Zabic occurred before 1987, when the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act started.

Rio Tinto argued the claim for damage should be covered by the statutory workers' compensation scheme, rather than through common law.

In submissions, Rio Tinto argued that mesothelioma was not contracted the moment the fibres entered the lungs.

"The decision of the NT Court of Appeal was made in error," Rio Tinto's submission said.

"As at 1 January 1987 [Mr Zabic] had suffered some cellular changes - but these were dormant and were likely to remain dormant."

"All that had accrued as at 1 January 1987 was a risk that Mr Zabic would contract mesothelioma."

Mesothelioma symptoms often emerge many years after asbestos fibres enter the lungs.

Irrespective of the High Court result, Rio Tinto was required to pay Mr Zabic $425,000 in compensation.

'Disappointed with the outcome': Rio Tinto

In a statement issued shortly after the court's decision, Rio Tinto said "our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family".

"We accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved. We will wait to review the detailed judgement of the High Court to understand the reasoning behind the decision," the statement reads.

"Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family.

Zorko Zabic
PHOTO: Zorko Zabic, pictured working at the Gove alumina refinery, is now battling mesothelioma. (Supplied)
"This case was not about trying to deny Mr Zabic's ability to access compensation, as he has always been able to seek compensation through the Northern Territory workers compensation scheme.

"The reason we pursued this matter was simply to confirm what has been widely understood to be the correct application of the relevant Northern Territory legislation, that claims such as Mr Zabic's should be made under the statutory workers compensation scheme rather than the common law."

A 'victory for humanity'

Roger Singh from Shine Lawyers, who represented Mr Zabic, said the court decision would have widespread implications in the NT.

"Today's decision is a win for workers, a win for their families and a win for humanity," Mr Singh said.

"This decision will pave the way for the many asbestos victims in the Northern Territory who have previously been denied justice to come forward and seek redress for themselves and their families," he said.

He said workers in the NT injured prior to January 1987 would now be allowed to use common law to get fair and reasonable entitlements and compensation, without having to rely only on the existing workers' compensation scheme.

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by double plus good on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm
Ummm he is an Aussie

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.


Closet poms wouldn't work in an iron lung.

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by double plus good on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:37pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.


Closet poms wouldn't work in an iron lung.
Except they built the country you now freeload off.

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Gnads on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:47pm

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.


Why wouldn't he be an Aussie?

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by double plus good on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:48pm

Gnads wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:47pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.


Why wouldn't he be an Aussie?
do you reckon he calls himself an aussie?

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 17th, 2015 at 3:00pm

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.


Closet poms wouldn't work in an iron lung.
Except they built the country you now freeload off.


I am not double plus good's freeloading ilk. I have more wealth than double plus good could ever aspire to.

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 17th, 2015 at 4:36pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:32pm:
He defeated the protection of Rio Tinto by laws preventing victims from suing the offending companies directly. Everybody knows that compensation under workers compensation act is miserable and more can be obtained by direct legal action.

Why would anybody take legal action if they received justice from the workers compensation system? It just demonstrates that the worker compensation system protects the establishment more than it protects workers.

Worshipful Masters everywhere will be having sleepless nights.




Quote:
Rio Tinto loses court appeal against asbestosis compensation ruling to dying worker Zorko Zabic
By James Oaten and Elizabeth Byrne
Updated Wed at 1:00pm

The High Court has thrown out an appeal by mining giant Rio Tinto against an asbestos compensation claim, setting a precedent for the Northern Territory.

Zorko Zabic, 74, worked at the Gove alumina refinery in the 1970s cleaning asbestos from pipes, and was diagnosed with mesothelioma after suffering chest pains early last year.

In January, the Supreme Court had ruled Mr Zabic developed the malignant mesothelioma as a result of exposure to asbestos dust and negligence by the mine operators, Alcan Gove, which has since been bought by mining giant Rio Tinto.

But the court ruled against the claim because the symptoms emerged after the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, which prevents such compensation claims being made in the courts after 1987.

This was overturned by the NT Court of Appeal in March.

Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family... we accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved.
Rio Tinto, from a statement issued after the High Court appeal rejection
"The appellant sustained an injury of the kind defined in the act during and following his inhalation of asbestos fibres," the Court of Appeal ruling said.

"That damage inevitably and inexorably led to the onset of malignant mesothelioma."

In rejecting Rio Tinto's latest challenge, the High Court has upheld the Court of Appeal decision.

High Court sets precedent

The arguments submitted to the High Court centred on whether the injuries suffered by Mr Zabic occurred before 1987, when the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act started.

Rio Tinto argued the claim for damage should be covered by the statutory workers' compensation scheme, rather than through common law.

In submissions, Rio Tinto argued that mesothelioma was not contracted the moment the fibres entered the lungs.

"The decision of the NT Court of Appeal was made in error," Rio Tinto's submission said.

"As at 1 January 1987 [Mr Zabic] had suffered some cellular changes - but these were dormant and were likely to remain dormant."

"All that had accrued as at 1 January 1987 was a risk that Mr Zabic would contract mesothelioma."

Mesothelioma symptoms often emerge many years after asbestos fibres enter the lungs.

Irrespective of the High Court result, Rio Tinto was required to pay Mr Zabic $425,000 in compensation.

'Disappointed with the outcome': Rio Tinto

In a statement issued shortly after the court's decision, Rio Tinto said "our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family".

"We accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved. We will wait to review the detailed judgement of the High Court to understand the reasoning behind the decision," the statement reads.

"Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family.

Zorko Zabic
PHOTO: Zorko Zabic, pictured working at the Gove alumina refinery, is now battling mesothelioma. (Supplied)
"This case was not about trying to deny Mr Zabic's ability to access compensation, as he has always been able to seek compensation through the Northern Territory workers compensation scheme.

"The reason we pursued this matter was simply to confirm what has been widely understood to be the correct application of the relevant Northern Territory legislation, that claims such as Mr Zabic's should be made under the statutory workers compensation scheme rather than the common law."

A 'victory for humanity'

Roger Singh from Shine Lawyers, who represented Mr Zabic, said the court decision would have widespread implications in the NT.

"Today's decision is a win for workers, a win for their families and a win for humanity," Mr Singh said.

"This decision will pave the way for the many asbestos victims in the Northern Territory who have previously been denied justice to come forward and seek redress for themselves and their families," he said.

He said workers in the NT injured prior to January 1987 would now be allowed to use common law to get fair and reasonable entitlements and compensation, without having to rely only on the existing workers' compensation scheme.


Shouldn't he have been wearing a dust mask??

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 17th, 2015 at 4:49pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:32pm:
He defeated the protection of Rio Tinto by laws preventing victims from suing the offending companies directly. Everybody knows that compensation under workers compensation act is miserable and more can be obtained by direct legal action.

Why would anybody take legal action if they received justice from the workers compensation system? It just demonstrates that the worker compensation system protects the establishment more than it protects workers.

Worshipful Masters everywhere will be having sleepless nights.




Quote:
Rio Tinto loses court appeal against asbestosis compensation ruling to dying worker Zorko Zabic
By James Oaten and Elizabeth Byrne
Updated Wed at 1:00pm

The High Court has thrown out an appeal by mining giant Rio Tinto against an asbestos compensation claim, setting a precedent for the Northern Territory.

Zorko Zabic, 74, worked at the Gove alumina refinery in the 1970s cleaning asbestos from pipes, and was diagnosed with mesothelioma after suffering chest pains early last year.

In January, the Supreme Court had ruled Mr Zabic developed the malignant mesothelioma as a result of exposure to asbestos dust and negligence by the mine operators, Alcan Gove, which has since been bought by mining giant Rio Tinto.

But the court ruled against the claim because the symptoms emerged after the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, which prevents such compensation claims being made in the courts after 1987.

This was overturned by the NT Court of Appeal in March.

Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family... we accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved.
Rio Tinto, from a statement issued after the High Court appeal rejection
"The appellant sustained an injury of the kind defined in the act during and following his inhalation of asbestos fibres," the Court of Appeal ruling said.

"That damage inevitably and inexorably led to the onset of malignant mesothelioma."

In rejecting Rio Tinto's latest challenge, the High Court has upheld the Court of Appeal decision.

High Court sets precedent

The arguments submitted to the High Court centred on whether the injuries suffered by Mr Zabic occurred before 1987, when the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act started.

Rio Tinto argued the claim for damage should be covered by the statutory workers' compensation scheme, rather than through common law.

In submissions, Rio Tinto argued that mesothelioma was not contracted the moment the fibres entered the lungs.

"The decision of the NT Court of Appeal was made in error," Rio Tinto's submission said.

"As at 1 January 1987 [Mr Zabic] had suffered some cellular changes - but these were dormant and were likely to remain dormant."

"All that had accrued as at 1 January 1987 was a risk that Mr Zabic would contract mesothelioma."

Mesothelioma symptoms often emerge many years after asbestos fibres enter the lungs.

Irrespective of the High Court result, Rio Tinto was required to pay Mr Zabic $425,000 in compensation.

'Disappointed with the outcome': Rio Tinto

In a statement issued shortly after the court's decision, Rio Tinto said "our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family".

"We accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved. We will wait to review the detailed judgement of the High Court to understand the reasoning behind the decision," the statement reads.

"Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family.

Zorko Zabic
PHOTO: Zorko Zabic, pictured working at the Gove alumina refinery, is now battling mesothelioma. (Supplied)
"This case was not about trying to deny Mr Zabic's ability to access compensation, as he has always been able to seek compensation through the Northern Territory workers compensation scheme.

"The reason we pursued this matter was simply to confirm what has been widely understood to be the correct application of the relevant Northern Territory legislation, that claims such as Mr Zabic's should be made under the statutory workers compensation scheme rather than the common law."

A 'victory for humanity'

Roger Singh from Shine Lawyers, who represented Mr Zabic, said the court decision would have widespread implications in the NT.

"Today's decision is a win for workers, a win for their families and a win for humanity," Mr Singh said.

"This decision will pave the way for the many asbestos victims in the Northern Territory who have previously been denied justice to come forward and seek redress for themselves and their families," he said.

He said workers in the NT injured prior to January 1987 would now be allowed to use common law to get fair and reasonable entitlements and compensation, without having to rely only on the existing workers' compensation scheme.


Shouldn't he have been wearing a dust mask??


Did he accompany Gizmo to longweekend58's asbestos cement house? Did Gizmo wear a mask? Are Gizmo's skin flakes toxic?

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 17th, 2015 at 5:16pm

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:48pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:47pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Zorko Zabic!! Now I understand. You wouldn't care if it was an aussie.


Why wouldn't he be an Aussie?
do you reckon he calls himself an aussie?



I asked him and he said yes.


Hope that helps

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by great one on Aug 17th, 2015 at 5:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 4:36pm:
Shouldn't he have been wearing a dust mask??



it wouldn't help, unless it came attached to a HEPA III filter!

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 17th, 2015 at 5:28pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 2:32pm:
He defeated the protection of Rio Tinto by laws preventing victims from suing the offending companies directly. Everybody knows that compensation under workers compensation act is miserable and more can be obtained by direct legal action.

Why would anybody take legal action if they received justice from the workers compensation system? It just demonstrates that the worker compensation system protects the establishment more than it protects workers.

Worshipful Masters everywhere will be having sleepless nights.




Quote:
Rio Tinto loses court appeal against asbestosis compensation ruling to dying worker Zorko Zabic
By James Oaten and Elizabeth Byrne
Updated Wed at 1:00pm

The High Court has thrown out an appeal by mining giant Rio Tinto against an asbestos compensation claim, setting a precedent for the Northern Territory.

Zorko Zabic, 74, worked at the Gove alumina refinery in the 1970s cleaning asbestos from pipes, and was diagnosed with mesothelioma after suffering chest pains early last year.

In January, the Supreme Court had ruled Mr Zabic developed the malignant mesothelioma as a result of exposure to asbestos dust and negligence by the mine operators, Alcan Gove, which has since been bought by mining giant Rio Tinto.

But the court ruled against the claim because the symptoms emerged after the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act, which prevents such compensation claims being made in the courts after 1987.

This was overturned by the NT Court of Appeal in March.

Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family... we accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved.
Rio Tinto, from a statement issued after the High Court appeal rejection
"The appellant sustained an injury of the kind defined in the act during and following his inhalation of asbestos fibres," the Court of Appeal ruling said.

"That damage inevitably and inexorably led to the onset of malignant mesothelioma."

In rejecting Rio Tinto's latest challenge, the High Court has upheld the Court of Appeal decision.

High Court sets precedent

The arguments submitted to the High Court centred on whether the injuries suffered by Mr Zabic occurred before 1987, when the Workers Rehabilitation and Compensation Act started.

Rio Tinto argued the claim for damage should be covered by the statutory workers' compensation scheme, rather than through common law.

In submissions, Rio Tinto argued that mesothelioma was not contracted the moment the fibres entered the lungs.

"The decision of the NT Court of Appeal was made in error," Rio Tinto's submission said.

"As at 1 January 1987 [Mr Zabic] had suffered some cellular changes - but these were dormant and were likely to remain dormant."

"All that had accrued as at 1 January 1987 was a risk that Mr Zabic would contract mesothelioma."

Mesothelioma symptoms often emerge many years after asbestos fibres enter the lungs.

Irrespective of the High Court result, Rio Tinto was required to pay Mr Zabic $425,000 in compensation.

'Disappointed with the outcome': Rio Tinto

In a statement issued shortly after the court's decision, Rio Tinto said "our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family".

"We accept the decision of the High Court, and whilst disappointed with the outcome, are grateful that the matter has now been resolved for all involved. We will wait to review the detailed judgement of the High Court to understand the reasoning behind the decision," the statement reads.

"Our deepest sympathies remain with Mr Zabic and his family.

Zorko Zabic
PHOTO: Zorko Zabic, pictured working at the Gove alumina refinery, is now battling mesothelioma. (Supplied)
"This case was not about trying to deny Mr Zabic's ability to access compensation, as he has always been able to seek compensation through the Northern Territory workers compensation scheme.

"The reason we pursued this matter was simply to confirm what has been widely understood to be the correct application of the relevant Northern Territory legislation, that claims such as Mr Zabic's should be made under the statutory workers compensation scheme rather than the common law."

A 'victory for humanity'

Roger Singh from Shine Lawyers, who represented Mr Zabic, said the court decision would have widespread implications in the NT.

"Today's decision is a win for workers, a win for their families and a win for humanity," Mr Singh said.

"This decision will pave the way for the many asbestos victims in the Northern Territory who have previously been denied justice to come forward and seek redress for themselves and their families," he said.

He said workers in the NT injured prior to January 1987 would now be allowed to use common law to get fair and reasonable entitlements and compensation, without having to rely only on the existing workers' compensation scheme.


Shouldn't he have been wearing a dust mask??


Did he accompany Gizmo to longweekend58's asbestos cement house? Did Gizmo wear a mask? Are Gizmo's skin flakes toxic?



Still, that IS the issue though. Depending when/where the guy was working with asbestos, there were industrial requirements for masks.

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 17th, 2015 at 5:31pm
So the decision to NOT wear a mask may have been a personal one.

And YES, I have worked/played around with asbestos in various forms (mostly fibro sheeting) and did now it was somewhat hazardous..

Title: Re: Asbestos victim defeats establishment mateship
Post by Unforgiven on Aug 17th, 2015 at 5:34pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 17th, 2015 at 5:28pm:
Shouldn't he have been wearing a dust mask??

Still, that IS the issue though. Depending when/where the guy was working with asbestos, there were industrial requirements for masks.


Gizmo again blames the victim.

Only Worshipful Masters were provided with masks. Punters had to make do.

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