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the ABSURD assertion - 'there are many peaceful moslems'

There are many moslems, who would like to murder infidels with immunity, but who fear local laws.

Another example of the 'Aussie' moslem, promoting the ABSURD assertion, that moslems, followers of ISLAM, long for peace among men;

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 17^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

I largely care nothing for people who claim Islam is a religion of peace in the face of such undeniable atrocities. Ultimately, words are meaningless in the face of actions. Would you not agree?

And what about muslims who do act?

....I can promise you there are a lot of peace-loving muslims who do act on their convictions.

Yadda calls it taqqiya.

A moslem will ALWAYS tell you the truth, whenever he has no reason to lie to you.

But, don't be deceived, because 'the moslem' is frequently a shameless, and barefaced liar!

The moslem cannot help himself.

Lying by 'the moslem', so as to further the interests of ISLAM, is virtuous, and, 'good works'.

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

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Quote:

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

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FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.

ISLAM = = ---------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

ACCORDING TO THE 'AUSSIE' MOSLEM;
Being a follower and supporter of a philosophy which - ACTUALLY - advocates the use of intimidation, threats, and political violence [i.e. TERRORISM!], and murder [as a 'legitimate' means for their followers to seek to achieve their political ambitions],
ALSO MEANS, that the 'Aussie' moslem can still claim to be a peaceful person, and claim that he is the follower of a philosophy dedicated to spreading 'peace' and virtue in the world.

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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt

IMAGE....

Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus

For 'the moslem' to publicly maintain such a profession of peaceful virtue emanating from ISLAM, IS ABSURD AND LUDICROUS.

And for 'the moslem' to publicly maintain the proposition that ISLAM, is really a philosophy which inspires peace in its followers, IS ABSURD AND LUDICROUS.

Such claims by moslems, are blatant, BAREFACED LYING, on the part of 'the moslem'.

The claim from the moslem camp, that ISLAM promotes peace and virtue among men, offends truth, it offends reason, and it offends reality.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

"Can't you idiots see that ISLAM is a peaceful philosophy!!!!!

Stop criticising us moslems for belonging to a peaceful philosophy!!!!!

Stop criticising peaceful ISLAM !!!!!"

Yadda, paraphrasing some Iranian mullah, Iran's president no less.

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HERE ARE JUST TWO RECENT NEWS ITEMS WHICH MAKE A MOCKERY OF CLAIMS BEING MADE BY THE 'AUSSIE' MOSLEM, THAT ISLAM [and the behaviour of moslems] are open to proper and reasonable scrutiny and criticism.

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Quote:

Iran’s President warns of plots to portray Islam as a religion of violence
By Robert Spencer on Aug 16, 2015 08:55 pm

He doesn’t mean the Islamic jihadists who kill and torture in the name of Islam and in accord with its texts and teachings.

He means those non-Muslims who dare to report on those acts of violence.

As far as Rouhani and other Islamic supremacists are concerned, if such people are silenced, all will be well […]

Google

< --------- The 'peaceful' 'Aussie' moslem will incessantly claim that peace and harmony among moslems and non-moslems can be achieved, and that such a circumstance is what is desired by all 'Aussie' moslems.

But that same 'peaceful' 'Aussie' moslem, will also insist that all public - EXPOSURE - and public criticism, of blatant moslem lying and blatant moslem duplicity must outlawed and prohibited.

duplicity = = the condition of being double, two faced, deceitful.

Yadda calls it taqiyya.

Quote:

Canada: Muslim beats his wife in front of cops, says she is his “property”
By Robert Spencer on Aug 16, 2015 08:34 pm

“The family is very strong in the Islamic religion…”

“Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding.

And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them.”

(Qur’an 4:34) Muhammad’s example is normative for Muslims, since he is an “excellent example of conduct” (Qur’an 33:21) — […]

Google

< --------- The 'peaceful' 'Aussie' moslem who is living among us [whenever it suits his purposes] will incessantly [and falsely] claim that ISLAMIC laws and beliefs are compatible with the laws of Western nations.

They are are not!

e.g.

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Filicide.

Are you, as an Australian, permitted by Australian law, to murder your children, or your grand children ?

You are not!

But, within ISLAMIC law, there is a justification for such a murder(s) [i.e. filicide].

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We in Western nations have come to refer to those acts of 'lawful' murder, as 'honour killings'.

But they are simply, vicious and violent murders, born of violent religious bigotry and intolerance.

An intolerance, which ingrained into moslem minds, by the teachings, the laws, and the tenets of ISLAM.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438606354/0#0

Quote:

n.b.
What Mainstream ISLAM teaches, to the moslem psyche....

"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

'Unbelievers' = = don't even 'rate' as human beings.

To ISLAM, only moslems are human beings.

Google;
unbelievers, are sons of apes and pigs

Google;
Non-Muslims, Worse than Animals

Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine, and activated Jihadis, regard ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'] as 'guilty' people, who may be 'lawfully' killed by moslems.

"...A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

Who, or what, is a harbi ???

Harbi is an Arabic/ISLAMIC word, it means "one under a declaration of war".

Essentially a 'harbi' is a non-moslem who rejects ISLAM's authority [to make law for every society of man].

ARGUMENTS MADE IN SUPPORT OF MY POSITION

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Yadda said....

Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

Dictionary;
malice aforethought = = the intention to kill or harm, held to distinguish unlawful killing from murder.

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

Yadda wrote on Aug 18^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

The 'peaceful' 'Aussie' moslem who is living among us [whenever it suits his purposes] will incessantly [and falsely] claim that ISLAMIC laws and beliefs are compatible with the laws of Western nations.

They are are not!

e.g.

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Filicide.

Are you, as an Australian, permitted by Australian law, to murder your children, or your grand children ?

You are not!

But, within ISLAMIC law, there is a justification for such a murder(s) [i.e. filicide].

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We in Western nations have come to refer to those acts of 'lawful' murder, as 'honour killings'.

But they are simply, vicious and violent murders, born of violent religious bigotry and intolerance.

An intolerance, which ingrained into moslem minds, by the teachings, the laws, and the tenets of ISLAM.

Apostasy by children, within a family, justifies their ~~murder~~ 'lawful' killing - BY MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN FAMILY [typically the father, but also by sons and brothers]

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger] INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING FOR HIS 'RELIGION' IS HALAL....

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC law sanctifies the murder of a wife under certain circumstances, e.g. apostasy ['rebellion' against ISLAM's authority].

ISLAMIC law specifically gives the moslem man, the right to kill his children [and grandchildren], being justified for the same reason.

e.g.

Quote:

"British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: "I told [the police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was,

'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."

Indeed, traditional Islamic law does not prescribe retaliation against a parent for killing his or her child.

For example: "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2)." "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/british-girl-kidnapped-by-saudi-father-i-told-the-police-he-was-keeping-me-there-against-my-will-and.html

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382939990/2#2

Quote:

gandalf,

Instead of constantly using deceit and and lies and denial in your posts, trying to deflect guilt for wrongdoing [by our laws] away from moslems, why don't you just admit [to us, your cultural hosts] what ISLAM permits ?

gandalf,

Why won't you just admit to us [your cultural hosts] exactly what ISLAM permits ?

gandalf,

QUESTIONS;

Why don't you like ISLAM ?

Why do you despise ISLAM ?

Why are you ASHAMED of ISLAM ?

Not so ?

Then why won't you speak the truth, .....about the BINDING obligations which every moslem has, to obey ISLAM and ISLAMIC law ?

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

gandalf,

Are you really a closet apostate, from ISLAM ?

Come on, you can tell us.

:)

We won't judge you.

The sum total of negative personnel experiences with Moslems by members of this site has consisted of one Moslem man spitting on one Moslem women.

Thats it.

Get over it. Don't you know those pesky Buddhists are the ones letting off bombs nowadays?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1439821854

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 18^th, 2015 at 2:38pm:

The sum total of negative personnel experiences with Moslems by members of this site has consisted of one Moslem man spitting on one Moslem women.

Thats it.

Get over it.

Don't you know those pesky Buddhists are the ones letting off bombs nowadays?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1439821854

Oh.

And where exactly, are Buddhists letting off bombs ???

Have you got access to privileged information about the perp's of the Bangkok bombing ?

And getting back to moslems, each one, who is a follower of ISLAM. --------- >

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

ISLAM is a philosophy which promotes never ending violence against everyone who is not a moslem, and the genocide of the Jewish people.

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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

What ?

YOUR ARGUMENT IS;
That because a moslem chooses not to commit a murder [in the name of ISLAM], i.e. because the moslem [lives in a jurisdiction where he] cannot commit a murder with impunity, THAT choice [to not murder infidels], makes the moslem a peaceful or virtuous person ???

LOL

That logic is absurd.

And it defies logic, to suggest that many [currently 'peaceful'] moslems are good people, when;
1/ ISLAM is a philosophy which sanctions the 'lawful' murder of those who reject ISLAM, and when;
2/ EVERY MOSLEM, is a follower and supporter of a violent and murderous death cult - ISLAM.

IT IS AN ABSURD ARGUMENT;
To suggest that a person who is a willing member of a violent and murderous death cult [i.e. a moslem], is a good person BECAUSE AT THIS MOMENT, the moslem is not murdering, in the name of ISLAM!

Every moslem is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, who [logically] is waiting for an opportunity to kill with impunity.

When (and Why) Good Muslim Neighbors Turn Bad
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1436584284/0#0

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AGAIN! -------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

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