2015-Aug-22   Sat 09:21 am

on AlJez this morning....

"I just want to be somewhere safe."
- An UNHAPPY, FRUSTRATED, female moslem Syrian refugee, in Greece, wanting to travel to Europe



She declares;
"I just want to be somewhere safe."

But, where there are numbers of moslems [and those who are not moslems], those who not moslem, are not safe!

Why so ?

Because where there are numbers of moslems, those moslems always seek to become rampant.

Dictionary;
rampant
1 flourishing or spreading unchecked.
2 unrestrained in action or performance.
3 lush in growth.

And where moslems are able to become rampant [i.e. by becoming politically empowered], moslems always seek to become the oppressors of others.

Because it is the 'M.O.' of moslems, that were moslems gather, moslems always come into conflict with 'others'.

Why so ?

Because the religion of the moslem, teaches the moslem that he has a natural [and Allah given] right to rule over others.
[e.g. Koran 9.29]

And this moslem 'sense of entitlement' [which the moslem always has], to rule over others, always brings 'the moslem' into conflict with those 'others'.



Natural Law....


Quote:

"16.  The state of war is a state of enmity and destruction; and therefore declaring by word or action, not a passionate and hasty, but sedate, settled design upon another man's life puts him in a state of war with him against whom he has declared such an intention, and so has exposed his life to the other's power to be taken away by him, or any one that joins with him in his defence, and espouses his quarrel; it being reasonable and just I should have a right to destroy that which threatens me with destruction; for by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred, and one may destroy a man who makes war upon him, or has discovered an enmity to his being, for the same reason that he may kill a wolf or a lion, because they are not under the ties of the common law of reason, have no other rule but that of force and violence, and so may be treated as a beast of prey, those dangerous and noxious creatures that will be sure to destroy him whenever he falls into their power.  17.  And hence it is that he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life. For I have reason to conclude that he who would get me into his power without my consent would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it; for nobody can desire to have me in his absolute power unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom- i.e.  make me a slave..." Of the State of War

- John Locke (1632-1704)




And it follows, that one of two circumstances will always then arise, as a consequence of 'the moslem' coming into conflict with others [around him];

Either;

1/ 'The moslem' is able to remain rampant and strong.     In that circumstance 'the moslem' will establish a regime where he and his 'brothers' will commit 'righteous' atrocities against his weaker/defeated enemy.
[e.g. Koran 9.29]

OR,

2/ If in the course of his conflict [against his enemy], the moslem becomes militarily weaker, the moslem recognises that he needs to flee from his enemy!      And the now weakened and routed moslem [and all of his fellow 'brothers'] will flee the war zone.      And the now weakened and routed moslem will now claim that he/she and his/her family are the innocent victims, of others aggression, violence and atrocities.

TO SUMMARISE ONCE MORE;

The 'successful' moslem [which we often see on the evening TV news] is the rampant, wanna-be "Allah akbar-ing" 'righteous', head lopping, moslem.

OR,

[i.e. whenever the moslem is defeated/routed in the conflict which the moslem has engaged in, against 'others'....]
The 'loser' moslem is [i.e. he 'becomes' !!!] the 'innocent' victim, of others 'oppression', violence and atrocities against him and his.


In the 2nd circumstance, the moslem now whines      -------- >

"I'm an innocent moslem, and i just want to be somewhere safe."

Yadda paraphrases;
'I just want to be somewhere safe, somewhere where my community can strengthen itself, and where in the safety of your peaceful society, my children can [ignore your corrupt laws, and] become criminals, and thugs and murderers, and rapists, and drug dealers, and fraudsters, and enjoy all of the rights that come from living among you infidels who, Ha! Ha!, respect stupid laws that can protect us criminals.      Oh, and when we have strengthened ourselves, we moslems will then show you infidels how you are corrupt, and how you are hated by our god, Allah.      And we will try to convince you peacefully, that you must adopt our righteous moslem laws and our righteous moslem customs and our righteous moslem faith.      Because we are moslems, the righteous people. [Koran 3.110]        And we want our righteous society and our righteous laws to spread to everywhere in the world.        And then, men everywhere will enjoy peace.'




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1439514326/128#128

Quote:

gandalf, You say; "....the victims of Islamic terrorism are overwhelmingly muslim - agreed?" Yes it is true. e.g. When moslem group (A) and moslem group (B) are in conflict with each other, and when moslem group (A) is stronger that moslem group (B),    then moslem group (B) will claim they are the innocent victims of wrongful violence! BUT CONVERSELY [and perversely] !     ....When moslem group (A) and moslem group (B) are in conflict with each other, and when moslem group (B) is stronger that moslem group (A),    then moslem group (A) will claim they are the innocent victims of wrongful violence! Moslems are not sincere people. Moslems are duplicitous, deceitful, and violent and ruthless people. When moslems are stronger than their enemies, MOSLEMS WILL COMMIT 'RIGHTEOUS' ATROCITIES AGAINST THEIR WEAKER [and defeated!] ENEMY. And when moslems are weaker than their [sometimes moslem] enemies, THE WEAKER MOSLEM CAMP WILL ALWAYS CLAIM THAT THEY ARE THE INNOCENT VICTIMS, OF OTHERS VIOLENCE AND ATROCITIES.

You use so many words, yet say so little. Very inefficient!


Actually, If you have to summarize a post, please just post the summary.

Please ?

The proof is in the pudding.

1400 years of worshipping the satanic allah and following the blood crazed muhammad, has produced what?

The most pathetic people on earth.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 25^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

You use so many words, yet say so little. Very inefficient!

Indeed.

And every single thread, every single day, could be boiled down to a simple Abbott-worthy three-word-slogan:

"I Hate Muslims" or,

"Irrational Muslim Fear"

del

moses wrote on Aug 26^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

The proof is in the pudding. 1400 years of worshipping the satanic allah and following the blood crazed muhammad, has produced what? The most pathetic people on earth.

Go learn your basics of your religion before u lecture about Islam.

Not a lecture Wally just a statement of realism.

Just look at muslims today, you are a disgrace to the human race.

You will never be any different either Wally, because each and every one of you is dominated by the spirit of satanism, the ideals of an unholy emissary (muhammad), the recorded commands and teachings of evilness (the qur'an).

Not one of you want to renounce evil Wally, so you're stuck with it.

The world is sick of you Wally, it's nearly to the stage where it would be a waste of time and money for you to buy a green banana, you may not be around long enough to see it ripen. 

Not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Syrians are from Hezbollah.

Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country and a major US and Israeli ally. Turkey is a Muslim country and a long term member of NATO.

The only satan I see is you Moses.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Not all Muslims are terrorists ...

Woah!  Back up the truck

All terrorists are Muslims, and all Muslims are terrorists.

If Sprint or Yadda heard you say something like "not all Muslims are terrorists", they'd have you hanged from the nearest lamp post.

Remember: all terrorists are Muslims, and all Muslims are terrorists.

(And, just in case it comes up: all homos are pedos, and all pedos are homos.)

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam.

If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of:

tolerance
compassion
strong family bonds
respect for other faiths

There is no problem.

When people say it is 'tribal' and 'warlike', you have to apply that to where that is happening.

If Christians, atheists or Buddhists were living in an area where this analogy applies, such as civil war regions, then they would behave identical.

I have a problem with anti-Islamic sentiment being a national security policy, as it is in Australia.

This is a global security issue, a human rights issue and an international relations issue.

The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of: tolerance compassion strong family bonds respect for other faiths There is no problem.

I'd love to know where they all are, because vicious loons that seem to be in every corner of the world are none of that and for some reason a whole sh1t load of them in Aus are friggen dangerous lunatics.

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BigOl64 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:11pm: I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of: tolerance compassion strong family bonds respect for other faiths There is no problem. I'd love to know where they all are, because vicious loons that seem to be in every corner of the world are none of that and for some reason a whole sh1t load of them in Aus are friggen dangerous lunatics.

There are not many terrorists. They are also people of no religious affiliation who act violently against the system.

If I saw a mass rally of people anti-democracy and pro-Islam in Australia I would instantly assume they were government agents fishing for radical elements.

But that's just me.

Yadda wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2015 at 7:35pm:

"I just want to be somewhere safe." - An UNHAPPY, FRUSTRATED, female moslem Syrian refugee, in Greece, wanting to travel to Europe

Why is Turkey not safe enough? Why is Egypt and Algeria and Tunisia safe enough?

This is not about safety, it is about people smugglers feeding the 'asylum seeker' industry. They are not even referred to as asylum seekers but as migrants. As if it was entirely their choice.




Refugee convention signatories:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG

The Hungarians are already building a wall, four metres high and 110 miles long, on its entire border with Serbia in a bid to control an influx of, mainly, Kosovars. Events in Macedonia toll the same bell.

One out of four asylum seekers came from Kosovo – 48,900 – a dramatic increase from 2,470 in the same period the year before. Of the Kosovars who applied , 90 per cent were registered in two EU states: Hungary ( 22,800) and Germany (21,100).
Kosovo asylum seekers are often treated as economic migrants fleeing poverty, rather than as genuine refugees.

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee?

Turkey is bombing positions in Syria.

So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian.

How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

You have been taken to the planet of:

"Xenophobia and racism is an acceptable national security policy"

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of: tolerance compassion strong family bonds respect for other faiths There is no problem. When people say it is 'tribal' and 'warlike', you have to apply that to where that is happening. If Christians, atheists or Buddhists were living in an area where this analogy applies, such as civil war regions, then they would behave identical. I have a problem with anti-Islamic sentiment being a national security policy, as it is in Australia. This is a global security issue, a human rights issue and an international relations issue. The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam.

Islam's objective is submission, not tolerance. Why do you think Shariah law has the death penalty for so many things that are not even a crime in more advanced societies?

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:11pm: I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of: tolerance compassion strong family bonds respect for other faiths There is no problem. When people say it is 'tribal' and 'warlike', you have to apply that to where that is happening. If Christians, atheists or Buddhists were living in an area where this analogy applies, such as civil war regions, then they would behave identical. I have a problem with anti-Islamic sentiment being a national security policy, as it is in Australia. This is a global security issue, a human rights issue and an international relations issue. The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam. Islam's objective is submission, not tolerance. Why do you think Shariah law has the death penalty for so many things that are not even a crime in more advanced societies?

That is not Islam in modern interpretation.

But if you want a parallel;

submit to the judicial authority or face consequences.

In Australia it is the same. Just that, Australia is not threatening allied nations with military force.

Islam is not the enemy.

Saudi Arabia is not the enemy.

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention.

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform.

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that? Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention.

Yes and she is Syrian.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

Islam is not the enemy. Saudi Arabia is not the enemy.

We have no enemies, only friends whose grievances we have failed to accommodate so far.

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:35pm: Islam is not the enemy. Saudi Arabia is not the enemy. We have no enemies, only friends whose grievances we have failed to accommodate so far. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Quds Force is the enemy.

ASIS has suggested via proxy sharing secret intelligence with Quds Force.

Quds Force is subject to international sanctions.

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf.

Are you the standard bearer of wishy washy Western morals or Western values?

Are you floundering?

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of: tolerance compassion strong family bonds respect for other faiths There is no problem. .... .... The fault is with the Australian system and imposed way of life, not with Islam.

And the world still turns!

Somehow.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform.

There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam?

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam?

Nothing.

Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west.

http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/606620

there is something extremely wrong with Australian police and intelligence agencies. Islamophobia as a national security policy causes harm to communities, social cohesion and international relations.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-14/afp-ramadan-dinner-with-sydney-islamic-community-cancelled/6617696

Australian police and intelligence agencies lack international confidence and domestic efficiency.

That is a fact.

They are under major investigation.

Accusing ROK officials attached to ACLEI and IGIS of spying?

They are in massive trouble. This is not speculation

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-14/afp-ramadan-dinner-with-sydney-islamic-community-cancelled/6617696

Australian police and intelligence agencies lack international confidence and domestic efficiency.

That is a fact.

They are under major investigation.

Accusing ROK officials attached to ACLEI and IGIS of spying?

They are in massive trouble. This is not speculation

Where to start...


easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. If applied to society as it has been, it has objectives of: tolerance compassion strong family bonds respect for other faiths There is no problem.

So when Islam is applied to a society it shows tolerance, compassion, respect, etc.

But then we get this...


easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Syrians are from Hezbollah. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country and a major US and Israeli ally. Turkey is a Muslim country and a long term member of NATO.

coupled with;


easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that?

If Islamic countries are all about "tolerance", "compassion", "respect", then why is that not seen in Turkey?

I love how in one quote you paint an image of Turkey as an example of an advanced friendly Islamic nation, which surely must mean it shows itself to be full of "tolerance", "compassion", "respect", and then straight away try to explain why it is dangerous for even other Muslims to live there  :D.

I admit, if I had to live in an Islamic country, it would be Turkey. But that only makes it the best of a bad lot. I would not chose Turkey over Germany for example. How can you even try to convince people that Islam leads to a society full of "tolerance", "compassion", "respect", and then try to explain why it is not safe for even Muslim refugees to live in a country like Turkey? If there was ever an Islamic country that Islam could be proud of, that is the country. And yet even that nation has no "tolerance", "compassion", "respect", for not just other people, but even other Muslims :o.

I'm talking about the military.

Turkish people are going to be wary of Syrians not because they are Muslim, but because of politicians.

Malaysia has Sharia law. Malaysia is a critical western partner. Full of Asians.

Not like Saudi Arabia.

Indonesian is majority Muslim. And a crucial US ally.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west.

Islam technically arose in the west. It just gets left behind when people include terms like modern or liberal. You seem to be struggling to progress beyond vague, meaningless waffle. So let me make it a bit more specific.

The majority of Aussie Muslims refrain from traveling to the middle east to participate in the latest rape and pillage festival. Does that mean Islam is not to blame for the ones that do? Perhaps you share Gregory's view that if they were not Muslim, they would be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney for some other unrelated reason?

freediver wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

The majority of Aussie Muslims refrain from traveling to the middle east to participate in the latest rape and pillage festival. Does that mean Islam is not to blame for the ones that do? Perhaps you share Gregory's view that if they were not Muslim, they would be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney for some other unrelated reason?

Just so we're clear FD - based on this objection of yours to what I claimed - this *ISN'T* you saying that these muslims are motivated by raping and pillaging - right?

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west.

No. It tells you that sunnis loathe the shia even more than they loathe west.

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west. No. It tells you that sunnis loathe the shia even more than they loathe west.

That's also not true.

A community has social divides. People stick to their own. Sunnis and Shiites fight each other only when the country descends in to anarchy. Otherwise they co-exist.

When civil war starts you have to shelter with someone.

freediver wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west. Islam technically arose in the west. It just gets left behind when people include terms like modern or liberal. You seem to be struggling to progress beyond vague, meaningless waffle. So let me make it a bit more specific. The majority of Aussie Muslims refrain from traveling to the middle east to participate in the latest rape and pillage festival. Does that mean Islam is not to blame for the ones that do? Perhaps you share Gregory's view that if they were not Muslim, they would be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney for some other unrelated reason?

Tim McVeigh was in the US Army. The Washington sniper was in the army.

The US Army are not terrorists.

Islam is not terrorist.

Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam OR religion. It is political in some way. Either to exert control or to fight for a cause against a larger adversary.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:56pm: easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west. No. It tells you that sunnis loathe the shia even more than they loathe west. That's also not true. A community has social divides. People stick to their own. Sunnis and Shiites fight each other only when the country descends in to anarchy. Otherwise they co-exist. When civil war starts you have to shelter with someone.

Why is there a civil war between sunnis and shia if not about being sunni and shia?

Explain.  Are they just murdering each other coz you gotta murder someone when the shooting starts and so they have had each other to hand for 1400 years so might as well continue?



You make zero sense - and no wonder.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that? Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention. Yes and she is Syrian.

So? Are you sating that Muslim signatories to the Convention are selective in who they give asylum to? That they are not true to their pledge?

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:08pm: Soren wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:56pm: easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west. No. It tells you that sunnis loathe the shia even more than they loathe west. That's also not true. A community has social divides. People stick to their own. Sunnis and Shiites fight each other only when the country descends in to anarchy. Otherwise they co-exist. When civil war starts you have to shelter with someone. Why is there a civil war between sunnis and shia if not about being sunni and shia? Explain.  Are they just murdering each other coz you gotta murder someone when the shooting starts and so they have had each other to hand for 1400 years so might as well continue? You make zero sense - and no wonder.

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us.

Soren wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:39pm: Soren wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that? Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention. Yes and she is Syrian. So? Are you sating that Muslim signatories to the Convention are selective in who they give asylum to? That they are not true to their pledge?

She will not be guaranteed safety in Turkey.

It is a very simple concept.....

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

Malaysia has Sharia law. Malaysia is a critical western partner. Full of Asians. Not like Saudi Arabia. Indonesian is majority Muslim. And a crucial US ally.

ISIS is in our region, today, hiding behind a veil of deceit.

ATM we just refer ISIS in Asia, as 'militant' or 'radicalised' moslems.

Many moslems will declare;

There is no distinction, between moslems who are 'militant' or 'radicalised' ,     ....and then moslems who are 'moderate'.

IT IS A LIE, IT IS A DECEPTION.


In this world, there are moslems.

And there are those who are the kufffar.

PERIOD.





And though 'the moslem' may often PRETEND to be a tolerant person;

Moslems are not tolerant people.


Do some Googling;

"Malaysia's Prime Minister: LGBTs, liberalism, and pluralism are enemies of Islam"
"Last Malaysian Hindu temple in central Kuala Lumpur condemned, given five days to vacate"
"Malaysian temple condemned, temple staff and devotees given 15 minutes to leave"
"Malaysian government views LGBT community as a 'spreading problem' to be stopped"
"Malaysian deputy prime minister: Islam not compatible with freedom, liberal thought"
"Yet another Malaysian non-Muslim house of worship demolished"
"Malaysian state holding seminar on "threat of Christianity" "
"A message from Malaysia's king: "Muslims need to emulate Prophet Muhammad" "



Checkout news reports from secular, liberal, democratic, Indonesia, the 'crucial US ally'.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/indonesia




And checkout news reports from secular, liberal, democratic, Malaysia, 'the partner of the West'.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/category/Malaysia

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:17pm: easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:08pm: Soren wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 5:56pm: easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 10:34pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:38pm: freediver wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: There are plenty of "modern" Muslims who stick to the head hacking interpretation, and the ones who try not to are left floundering like Gandalf. And there are plenty of Muslims who oppose such actions. Just like there are Australians who support gay rights and those who don't. And those who support refugee policy and those who want refugee policy reform. There are plenty of Muslims who eat cornflakes for breakfast easel. What does that tell you about Islam? Nothing. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim nation with military alliances with Israel. That tells me Islam is not an enemy of the west. No. It tells you that sunnis loathe the shia even more than they loathe west. That's also not true. A community has social divides. People stick to their own. Sunnis and Shiites fight each other only when the country descends in to anarchy. Otherwise they co-exist. When civil war starts you have to shelter with someone. Why is there a civil war between sunnis and shia if not about being sunni and shia? Explain.  Are they just murdering each other coz you gotta murder someone when the shooting starts and so they have had each other to hand for 1400 years so might as well continue? You make zero sense - and no wonder. There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions.

They are fighting because of ISLAM.




easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.

They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other.



They are fighting because of ISLAM.



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ISLAM   ---------- >      the religious BIGOTRY which ISLAM fosters in the hearts of those who follow it;

.....is the cause of the war in Syria, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Egypt, and Libya, et al.

The war/insurrection against the Assad Syrian government was instigated and encouraged in 2011, by Sunni firebrand members of Al Qaeda [and now ISIS and al-Nusra], who [for theological reasons] wanted to eject the infidel [Alawite moslem] regime of Assad Syrian government, and establish a Sharia nation in Syria, ruled by themselves.

AS PER ALWAYS, when it comes to moslems initiating conflicts with those they deem to be 'the infidel';
The war in Syria, against the Assad Syrian government, was and is, a righteous war initiated by the moslem, against his oppressor, the infidel [aka the Alawite moslem].


--------- >

SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0#0

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah.

If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam.

Radical Australian Nationalists are not fighting about Australian values. They just use that to make their cause attractive.

Just like Islamists. They are not fighting about Islam. They just use it because Islamic culture is dominant in their region. And a way to appear friendly or able to be integrated.

dhimmitude.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself. They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah. If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam. Radical Australian Nationalists are not fighting about Australian values. They just use that to make their cause attractive. Just like Islamists. They are not fighting about Islam. They just use it because Islamic culture is dominant in their region. And a way to appear friendly or able to be integrated.

Moslem militants,  .....fighting on behalf of ISLAM,  ......for the glory of ISLAM,   .....have nothing to do with ISLAM ?

Google;
logic 101




THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/




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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111




Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.



Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'.

That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'. That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

easel,

Clearly ISLAM is being maligned by a foul conspiracy.



"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."



Everything stated below concerning ISLAM, is a foul slander of ISLAM     ---------- >             :D




"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111




Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.



Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html
   - Australian EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"




Killing an infidel is 'good works'.

That is what ISLAMIC tenets teach every moslem.




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




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The example of an 'Aussie' moslem community leader,


http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2007/01/18/va1237230244821/Sheik-Feiz-Chris-Pavlich-5363339.jpg


Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php


Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'. That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated.

easel,

Clearly ISLAM is being maligned by a foul conspiracy.



"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."



Everything stated below concerning ISLAM, is a foul slander of ISLAM     ---------- >             :D




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Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/





QUESTION;
How can Australians ever have a peaceful relationship with 'Aussie' moslems, when the moslem community in Australia, hides a malevolent intent towards all Australians who are not moslems ?




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

QUESTION;
Is ISLAM and ISLAM's religious and cultural tenets, tolerant of democracy ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow a democratic form of government [i.e. a form of government which takes to itself, the authority to formulate laws for a society of people] ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow moslems to peacefully co-exist with [such] a democratic form of government ?



Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 7:34pm: Extreme right politics has nothing to do with Australiana or the Australian culture and 'way of life'. That is a screen used to make it acceptable to the masses and give them a cover story to provide, rather than delivering their policies and theories which cause reputational harm if delivered to the uninitiated. easel, Clearly ISLAM is being maligned by a foul conspiracy.

Clearly Islam is being maligned by a simplistic minority.

There are more simplistic people than foul conspiracies. Mathematics says I am probably correct  ;)

There's some barbarity in the Bible as well.

You will never see a muslim or an apologist hold islam responsible.

Why?

muslims and islam are stuffed.

They cannot ever make islam responsible for it's own actions.

They are bound by the utterly stupid tenet that the qur'an is infallible perfect and cannot be changed.

If they were to try and renounce the evil in the qur'an, that means that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = no more islam.

So the atrocities will go on as long as islam exists.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions. They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other. You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us.

And being sunni, shia, alewite, Coptic has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin', yes?

Sunnies and shia are fighting shoulder to shoulder against some other sunnis and shia.

Sure thing, pal.

moses wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

You will never see a muslim or an apologist hold islam responsible. Why? muslims and islam are stuffed. They cannot ever make islam responsible for it's own actions. They are bound by the utterly stupid tenet that the qur'an is infallible perfect and cannot be changed. If they were to try and renounce the evil in the qur'an, that means that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = no more islam. So the atrocities will go on as long as islam exists.

There is nothing wrong with Islam. There are Muslims and Muslims nations prepared to fight and die shoulder to shoulder in a war with Israeli's and Americans.

The issue is POLITICAL.

Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, and anyone else you have a problem with, is SOVIET IN DESIGN.

This is political. The Soviet Union had a policy of atheism. That is blasphemy. But they work together.

It is not Islam.

But if you victimise and persecute Muslims in Australia, don't be shocked if they react violently. We saw what happened to the Jews by the Nazis after they were persecuted. If you annoyed me in the street I would probably react also. That is not political. That is the fault of racism promoted as a national security policy. That is government sponsored radicalisation of at risk persons for achieving political aims.

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:22pm: There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions. They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other. You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us. And being sunni, shia, alewite, Coptic has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin', yes? Sunnies and shia are fighting shoulder to shoulder against some other sunnis and shia. Sure thing, pal.

It has something to do with it because those countries security agencies worked to divide society. If the government did not think dividing the population would be a way to increase the security of the state, upon collapse of the state, sects of Islam would not be fighting with each other.

But you should know that.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself.

;D ;D  ;D


Quote:

They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah. If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam.

Coz Hez'allah has nuffin to do wiv ALlah. And Allahu Akhbaring has nuffin to do wiv Allah. Islamic State has nuffin to do wiv Islam.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has nuffin to do with Islam. Or Iranians.

easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:18pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:39pm: Soren wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that? Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention. Yes and she is Syrian. So? Are you sating that Muslim signatories to the Convention are selective in who they give asylum to? That they are not true to their pledge? She will not be guaranteed safety in Turkey. It is a very simple concept.....

Why not? Turkey is a signatory to the convention.

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:23pm: Soren wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:18pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:39pm: Soren wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 7:37pm: easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:37pm: How could Turkey be safe for a Syrian refugee? Turkey is bombing positions in Syria. So she turns up in Turkey, speaks a different dialect and people discover she is Syrian. How is she supposed to live a normal or safe life in a country like that? Turkey is a Refugee convention signatory. SO are Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria. They have all pledged to abide by the convention. Yes and she is Syrian. So? Are you sating that Muslim signatories to the Convention are selective in who they give asylum to? That they are not true to their pledge? She will not be guaranteed safety in Turkey. It is a very simple concept..... Why not? Turkey is a signatory to the convention.

She is a person. From Syria.

Turkey and Syria are at war. It is not appropriate for her to be resettled there.

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 7:07pm: If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself. ;D ;D  ;D Quote: They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah. If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam. Coz Hez'allah has nuffin to do wiv ALlah. And Allahu Akhbaring has nuffin to do wiv Allah. Islamic State has nuffin to do wiv Islam. The Islamic Republic of Iran has nuffin to do with Islam. Or Iranians.

Wearing an Australian flag has nothing to do with being Australian. It is used to extremists groups to invoke feelings of patriotism and divert attention to their cause.

I eat Islamic food. Sometimes I eat Halal food.

That has nothing to do with Islam. It just means I am eating food that is acceptable to Muslims.

Just like wearing an Australian flag has nothing to do with Australia when attempting to convey a point.

It is a manipulation of your thought processes.

If they are aligned with atheism, such as state atheism including communist China, they are NOT MUSLIM and are blasphemous.

End of story.

easel wrote


Quote:

There is nothing wrong with Islam. There are Muslims and Muslims nations prepared to fight and die shoulder to shoulder in a war with Israeli's and Americans. The issue is POLITICAL. Hezbollah, Iran, Syria, and anyone else you have a problem with, is SOVIET IN DESIGN. This is political. The Soviet Union had a policy of atheism. That is blasphemy. But they work together. It is not Islam. But if you victimise and persecute Muslims in Australia, don't be shocked if they react violently. We saw what happened to the Jews by the Nazis after they were persecuted. If you annoyed me in the street I would probably react also. That is not political. That is the fault of racism promoted as a national security policy. That is government sponsored radicalisation of at risk persons for achieving political aims.

Yeah sure it's all the fault of the Joos, the great satan, the Christians, western democracy, Buddhists, Hindus, pagans, atheists etc. etc. etc..

Like I said you're forbidden to take responsibility for your depravities.

Because once you do no more islam.

I'm not a Muslim.

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam.

:D

Taqiyyah right there.



PS.
author=midnightcowboy


;D

You are a looney.

Soren wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

easel wrote on Aug 27th, 2015 at 6:11pm: I honestly cannot find a fault with Islam. :D Taqiyyah right there. PS. author=midnightcowboy ;D You are a looney.

You give the old boy his account back right now, Hot Breasts.

And don't do it again.

I can find fault with Islamic tenets, but not Islam.

Modern Islam is fine.

Civil war and sectarian violence does not represent Islam. It just so happens that the Cold War pitted half of the middle east against the other half.

It's not religion.

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

moses wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 3:45pm: You will never see a muslim or an apologist hold islam responsible. Why? muslims and islam are stuffed. They cannot ever make islam responsible for it's own actions. They are bound by the utterly stupid tenet that the qur'an is infallible perfect and cannot be changed. If they were to try and renounce the evil in the qur'an, that means that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = no more islam. So the atrocities will go on as long as islam exists. But if you victimise and persecute Muslims in Australia, don't be shocked if they react violently.

I will be shocked.

Moslems, reacting violently ?

Allah forbid it !!!!!

I will be shocked.


"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."






Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said. "When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings, I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimination-at-meeting/6025586?section=nt




IMAGE....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5814780-3x2-700x467.jpg


Quote:

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19



"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."
- Mr Yunus




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easel,

QUESTION;
What is the best way for a naive infidel who is unfamiliar with the intricacies of ISLAM,      ....to tell a real moslem LIKE YOURSELF, from a moslem impersonator ?1




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IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"


Moslems are taught by ISLAMIC tenets and laws [from childhood], that it is a lawful act, for a moslem to kill a non-moslem who insults ISLAM, by rejecting ISLAM.


Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.



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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


ISLAM = =    ---------- >


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:11pm: easel wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:22pm: There is a civil war. Due to the instability of a country there are factions. They are not fighting because they are Sunni Or Shiite. They are fighting because the government fell apart and everyone has AK47's and is paranoid of each other. You drive a Toyota? I drive a Toyota. Let's not kill each other and fight the Mercedes drivers. Because they are not like us. And being sunni, shia, alewite, Coptic has nuffin' to do wiv' nuffin', yes? Sunnies and shia are fighting shoulder to shoulder against some other sunnis and shia. Sure thing, pal. It has something to do with it because those countries security agencies worked to divide society.

Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.





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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


ISLAM = =    ---------- >


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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easel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

If you are talking about Syria, the fight is not Islam. The fight is Israeli jets bombed Syrian military installations until the military fell apart and started fighting itself. They shouldn't have supported Hezbollah. If you are talking about anything else, it is NOT about Islam.

And the Koran has nothing to do with ISLAM.


"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."




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And Mohammed Morsi [Ex-President of Egypt] IS NOT A MOSLEM!!!!!!

Honest!!!!!!

Mohammed Morsi is really a secret Mossad agent, who is trying, so, so hard, to bring ISLAM into disrepute!!!



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Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I can find fault with Islamic tenets, but not Islam. Modern Islam is fine. Civil war and sectarian violence does not represent Islam. It just so happens that the Cold War pitted half of the middle east against the other half. It's not religion.

"There is nothing wrong with ISLAM"


ARGUMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR PROPOSITION [ABOVE]

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Yadda said....
UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/2#2

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Where is the example in the world, of 'true' ISLAM ??? MY PROPOSITION OF LOGIC IS THIS; If ISLAM is truly virtuous, if Sharia law is just, and is not 'interpreted' into unjust law by moslem 'impersonators', then where is the example, in the world, where Sharia is applied justly ??? Where is the example in the world, for us unbelievers to be shocked and in awe at the clear and apparent virtue of the ISLAMIC society ??? Answer. There is not one.

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Yadda said....
Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1327799946/104#104

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Abu, In every instance where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence upon a society of people, and in those instances where moslems are in authority in a society, and are behaving badly, violently, corruptly, those persons [i.e. moslems], always refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of their own governance/choices. Within moslem societies [i.e. where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence], when everything turns to sh!t for them, moslems always [as a society] refuse to accept responsibility for their own poor [violent, corrupt] governance, of their own political affairs. Q. Why so? A. Because those societies and people are spiritually corrupted, are being guided by something other than God.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388087903/24#24

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COMMENT; ISLAM is a corrupt and corrupting criminal [by our laws] philosophy. ISLAM creates 'moslems'. moslems = = human sewage ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies. The truth is that ISLAM is an evil philosophy, which, imo, 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it. And ISLAM is spread by moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."



Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


ISLAM = =    ---------- >


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

I can find fault with Islamic tenets, but not Islam.

What's the difference?

Islam is made up of Islamic tenets.

Is Yadda's therapist on holidays?

I hope she comes back soon.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

Is Yadda's therapist on holidays? I hope she comes back soon.

The second sentence sounds like an admission, to me.

I certainly understand what that group of words mean.

;D

Yadda, it is very easy to take small issues and use them against all of Islam.

For example, the reference you provided to drugging and raping women by Muslims.

These people happen to identify as Muslims.

My understanding is that the Quran bans any intoxicating substances.

easel wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Yadda, it is very easy to take small issues and use them against all of Islam. For example, the reference you provided to drugging and raping women by Muslims. These people happen to identify as Muslims. My understanding is that the Quran bans any intoxicating substances.

It doesn’t mean what it says, Easel. Like the Old Testament and the Book of Revelations.

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 8:30pm:

easel wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:04pm: Yadda, it is very easy to take small issues and use them against all of Islam. For example, the reference you provided to drugging and raping women by Muslims. These people happen to identify as Muslims. My understanding is that the Quran bans any intoxicating substances. It [the Koran] doesn’t mean what it says, Easel.

That may be the opinion which you like to publish and to broadcast on public forums Karnal.....



But moslems consider the Koran to be the direct, and inerrant word of Allah.

And that the Koran is the most important source of information [and instruction] for a moslem, on how a moslem should conduct themselves, in their lives.



FOR EXAMPLE, A VERY PROMINENT AND WELL KNOWN EGYPTIAN MOSLEM SAID;

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Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg       dead link
try....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCJZQSwVKy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg




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And what about the opinion of another prominent moslem on the 'world stage' today,    .....Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the current Turkish President ????



IMAGE...
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-5/Recep-Tayyip-Erdogan.jpg

What does this man, 'modernist', Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish President, who was democratically elected to office, say about;


jurisdictional law ???

secularism ???

the democratic process ???



Google;
Erdogan, "Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah"

Google;
Erdogan, "One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular"



ALSO, see below, what 'modernist' Recep Tayyip Erdogan had to say to Turkish immigrants, living in Germany.




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Turkish PM to Muslims in Germany: "Assimilation is a crime against humanity"     Cologne, Germany -- A crowd of 16,000 expatriate Turks cheered Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a vast indoor auditorium in Germany on Sunday as he told them to resist assimilation into the West.     ...."Assimilation is a crime against humanity," he told the crowd. Many Turks had travelled from France, Belgium and the Netherlands to hear his hour-long address in the shiny venue, the Koelnarena.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/turkish-pm-to-muslims-in-germany-assimilation-is-a-crime-against-humanity.html

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When using the word, 'humanity' above, Recep Tayyip Erdogan is referring singularly, to the elevated spiritual nature of the moslem.

Because ISLAM [whose tenets and laws, Recep Tayyip Erdogan is familiar with], states that infidels are vile animals, that can be slaughtered.     [see info at the bottom of this post]

To the pure moslem, the infidel is not a part of humanity.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17

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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains]. SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ; ---------- >

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Moslems from Syria, "...just want somewhere to be safe."

That is why recently elected Justin Trudeau, has decided to make Canada a SANCTUARY for ISIS cadres.

What could possibly go wrong!!!!!!      :D

Dictionary;
sanctuary = =
1 a place of refuge or safety.      immunity from arrest.
2 a nature reserve.      a place where injured or unwanted animals are cared for.
3 a holy place.        the innermost recess or holiest part of a temple.




IMAGE...
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/trudeau665x443-401x349.jpg

Justin Trudeau - he's such a smart young thing!



Justin Trudeau;

Another Leftist, Populist, political leader, recenlty elected by the voters of Canada,   ...to govern all of Canada.

But where is Justin Trudeau leading Canada ?

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HERE IS A HINT !

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WATCH THIS YOUTUBE TO SEE WHERE THE POPULIST POLITICAL LEADER [AND IDIOT], Justin Trudeau, IS CHOOSING TO LEAD CANADIANS !

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Poll_ 31% of Syrian migrants support ISIS and Trudeau is importing 25,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maY_Jh4V8xg





n.b.
The people of Canada chose to elect Justin Trudeau and his  Leftist, Populist, political policies.

When a people choose, to hate God, and to hate his righteousness.....


Isaiah 1:4
Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
5  Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
6  From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
7  Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.


Isaiah 65:11
But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12  Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.


Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.




Psalms 58:1
Do ye indeed speak righteousness,.... do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
2  Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
3  The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.


Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
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6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.


Luke 21:26
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth.....


No ?

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There is a 'way back'.

It is called, repentance.

But who will choose to take such a path ?


2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.