A FORMER SAS soldier chosen to fight the WA Canning by-election for Prime Minister Tony Abbott has delivered an extraordinary speech responding to allegations that soldiers under his command cut off the hands of dead Taliban soldiers. 
 
Captain Andrew Hastie, 32, has revealed in his first public speech to the WA Liberal Party that he ordered the investigation into his own troops and was personally cleared of any wrongdoing.

“I have now left the Defence Force with a clean slate, having defended our nation against the Taliban and Daesh,” he said.

“I am now taking the skills I learned in the army and if elected will use them to be the best representative for the people of Canning.

“I have not lived my life behind a desk pushing paper and talking about the concepts of freedom and democracy. I have acted. I have put my life on the line for this country and for that freedom.’’

He also accused Labor of “not having our backs’’ when he was fighting in the Middle East, an issue that prompted him to enter politics.

For the first time, Captain Hastie also revealed that not only was nowhere near an incident, he was in the helicopter.

Confronting allegations splashed across Fairfax newspapers today that officers under his command are still being investigated, he also criticised the length of the Defence investigation.

The allegations were published in Melbourne’s The Age newspaper under the headline “Question of conduct’’ in a report that noted Captain Hastie was not involved in the incident or present when it occurred.

It is alleged that the hands of three Taliban fighters were cut off for the purpose of fingerprinting in 2013.

Captain Hastie acknowledged that mistakes sometimes happen in a “high-pressure war zone where people are trying to kill you’’.

“It is true as reported that I wasn’t at the scene of the incident when it happened. I was in fact above and away in a helicopter orbiting overhead,’’ he said.

“When I became aware, I did what I was required to do and promptly reported the incident up the chain of command.

“I can say with great confidence that those soldiers involved directly with the incident were acting in what they believed to be the appropriate process laid out by defence.

“As the then Defence Force chief David Hurley said ‘We were engaged in a high intensity, complex and dangerous battle’. It is critical when you fight the Taliban that you gather evidence and do what you can to investigate ... the identification of your enemy.’’

Captain Hastie also revealed that an inquiry had found “my actions at the time were appropriate’’.

“All but one of the troops was cleared,’’ he said.

“The investigation was launched after the issues was raised up the chain of command and it was raised by me.

“The investigation into this single soldier has taken two years and four months and it hasn’t been finalised. As reported, there are differing views as to whether the incident constituted a breach of the rules of war.

“People who serve, put their lives on the line to protect our country. I have always stood up and fought hard to represent the troops I lead and if that requires ruffling feathers, I have done that and I will do that again now.

“Out of concern for the soldier involved, I am disappointed that my candidacy has brought this issue to the forefront of media attention.

“The least we can do for that honourable soldier is to ensure that the investigation into the incident is done fully and quickly.

“This issue has cast a shadow for almost two and a half years over this man’s life. I believe the Defence Force has a duty of care to finalise its investigation more quickly.”

The Prime Minister said he was proud Captain Hastie had chosen to extend his public service into politics.

“He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/canning-candidate-captain-andrew-hasties-rage-at-fairfax-smear-over-taliban-war-crime-accusations/story-e6frg6n6-1227494279022

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“It is true as reported that I wasn’t at the scene of the incident when it happened. I was in fact above and away in a helicopter orbiting overhead,’’ he said.

He wasn't even there, yet that hasn't stopped Fauxfacts from publishing a lie in a puerile attempt to smear this outstanding Australian.

SMH and co are slimey lefty rags

Swagman wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:46am:

SMH and co are slimey lefty rags

He ought to sue them for defaming them and damaging his honourable reputation.

I saw this and I think it was a low act.

This is why politics is a mongrel art.

Perhaps people should try and let go of their bigotry left , right and centre

miketrees wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55am:

I saw this and I think it was a low act. This is why politics is a mongrel art. Perhaps people should try and let go of their bigotry left , right and centre

Labor did the same thing in 2013 to a decorated former NSW Police Officer with an exemplary record. There is no level too low for Labor - they will stoop as low as they must to win.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:57am:

Quote: “It is true as reported that I wasn’t at the scene of the incident when it happened. I was in fact above and away in a helicopter orbiting overhead,’’ he said. He wasn't even there, yet that hasn't stopped Fauxfacts from publishing a lie in a puerile attempt to smear this outstanding Australian.

Exactly.  Waiting for an apology from the busted ar53 taxi drivers on this forum.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:57am:

miketrees wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 7:55am: I saw this and I think it was a low act. This is why politics is a mongrel art. Perhaps people should try and let go of their bigotry left , right and centre Labor did the same thing in 2013 to a decorated former NSW Police Officer with an exemplary record. There is no level too low for Labor - they will stoop as low as they must to win.

Yes. No such thing as too low when Labor standards are considered. With a complicit filth media led front and Centre by the abc it is a deplorable situation.

When will the conservatives realize this is a street fight or a guerilla war I don't know, you only win a guerilla war by embracing on guerilla warfare tactics.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:57am:

Quote: “It is true as reported that I wasn’t at the scene of the incident when it happened. I was in fact above and away in a helicopter orbiting overhead,’’ he said. He wasn't even there, yet that hasn't stopped Fauxfacts from publishing a lie in a puerile attempt to smear this outstanding Australian.

That's a silly argument and you know it. If he ordered it he'd be responsible right?  So don't give me this "he wasn't even there" BS because it looks like you couldn't care less about the truth and just want to deceive people into accepting the DT version for your party's sake. 

I don't know if he had any responsibility for this or not but from what I read in that article I wouldn't want that lunatic representing me in an office of responsibility under any circumstances.    

miketrees wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55am:

I saw this and I think it was a low act. This is why politics is a mongrel art. Perhaps people should try and let go of their bigotry left , right and centre

You mean like Armchair and you do???

I can hope these diehard libs move to WA then to vote for the guy.  They need every vote they can get I suppose to balance the "irrational and mad" labs.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:44am:

I don't know if he had any responsibility for this or not but from what I read in that article I wouldn't want that lunatic representing me in an office of responsibility under any circumstances.

The SAS are the ultimate in trained killers. This story doesn't surprise me at all, it isn't even anywhere near some of the stories I've heard from people in the military and intelligence about the SAS.

A friend of mine who had to work with commandos, told me how they used to brag about the favourite thing they loved, was night missions where they go into a room, put a barrel of a gun to the heads of people sleeping, wake them up, and the fear in their eyes when they realize whats happening, then shooting them in the head. They used the BRAG about how fun this was.

Another friend told me that in one training thing they had to do, they had to have their squad or whatever guard an area for 3 days straight and protect it from 2 SAS commandos, those SAS commandos could literally sneak in the area they were in, get behind them, then they would start to play the "predator sound" and then get out without people noticing (when you've been awake for 3 days, this can bugger you up apparently  ;D )

One documentary I watched on a SAS sniper, had him literally crawling for 3 days straight, through enemy patrol patterns, they were basically walking on top of him, to get a shot at a enemy commander, then get the hell out of this heavily fortified enemy encampment. This is probably one of the most amazing things I've seen in my life, how he wasn't spotted when he was literally crawling within 1 meter of enemy guards and patrols was absolutely amazing.
What though put me off, was the interviews with the actual soldier... he came off a bit... psychopathic? You could tell he really loved killing people. Stories amazing, keep that buggerer away from me though especially if he's on the piss.

SAS may have amazing leadership skills, they do have near super human physical and mental skills, the math alone it takes to calculate a sniper shot, holy moly, they even have to take into account rotation of earth and earth curvature, but I'm still not convinced that translates well into representing people and being able to be empathetic.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:57am:

He wasn't even there, yet that hasn't stopped Fauxfacts from publishing a lie in a puerile attempt to smear this outstanding Australian.

They did no such thing. ... the story even said that according to him, he wasn't there but in a helicopter overhead at the time and that he'd been cleared in previous investigations. It's not up to fairfax to find him innocent or guilty, its up to them to present the story as fairly as they can ... if it was the smellograph they would have omitted him not being there from the story altogether or that he'd already been cleared.

He is a war-criminal and a demonstrated liar.

No wonder you clowns love him.

Kat wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:25am:

He is a war-criminal and a demonstrated liar. No wonder you clowns love him.

I just think this guy has reached the bottom... and then he amazes me by going even lower...scum at least comes to the top... you are right down there with all the poo..where you will always remain...unbelievable..

stunspore wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:46am:

I can hope these diehard libs move to WA then to vote for the guy.  They need every vote they can get I suppose to balance the "irrational and mad" labs.

yeah its a tough one.. either him or the CFMEU...its tough! ::) ::) ::)

Time to get a lawyer and sue the people responsible for the allegations.

a)  Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body.  SOP.

b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct  and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence.

I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men.

The Labor Party always try painting themselves as the most ethical but they are a bunch of sewer dwelling smear campaignists. That's all they do lately. Doesn't matter because they won't be winning any elections soon. I doubt people are going to put that train wreck of a party back in. Not after the last debacle.

cods wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:32am:

Kat wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:25am: He is a war-criminal and a demonstrated liar. No wonder you clowns love him. I just think this guy has reached the bottom... and then he amazes me by going even lower...scum at least comes to the top... you are right down there with all the poo..where you will always remain...unbelievable..

Typical - got nothing so resort to irrelevant and baseless personal attacks.

Just as well I've come to expect nothing better from right-wingers.

This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia?

What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room?

Kat wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:45am:

cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:32am: Kat wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:25am: He is a war-criminal and a demonstrated liar. No wonder you clowns love him. I just think this guy has reached the bottom... and then he amazes me by going even lower...scum at least comes to the top... you are right down there with all the poo..where you will always remain...unbelievable.. Typical - got nothing so resort to irrelevant and baseless personal attacks. Just as well I've come to expect nothing better from right-wingers.

oh you nissed saying FILTHY SCUM....which of course isnt anything to do with personal attacks is it...

your comments about that SAS soldier are sickening..and I am disgusted not even one of your own side comes out in support of this soldier ..

typical..a really good word for a lefty to use..I dont think >:( >:(

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:59am:

This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room?

At least there'd be no hands in the perks till.... cookie jar etc...

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:59am:

This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room?

I am sure he will be sent to Afghanistan if shortarse gets in....so dont worry yourself dear..

shortarse is good at getting rid of people who stand in his way.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? At least there'd be no hands in the perks till.... cookie jar etc...

since when was an ex SAS person accused of hands in the cookie jar...??????? please enlighten us..

cods wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? I am sure he will be sent to Afghanistan if shortarse gets in....so dont worry yourself dear.. shortarse is good at getting rid of people who stand in his way.

But this man could chop Shorten’s head off. They teach them how to kill and maim people over in those terrorist cells.

Is this the sort of man you want in see walking around freely in the halls of our national parliament?

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:59am:

This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room?

He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off.

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:12pm:

cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:08pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? I am sure he will be sent to Afghanistan if shortarse gets in....so dont worry yourself dear.. shortarse is good at getting rid of people who stand in his way. But this man could chop Shorten’s head off. They teach them how to kill and maim people over in those terrorist cells. Is this the sort of man you want in see in the halls of parliament?

in a word.. YES ;D ;D

cods wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:45am: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:32am: Kat wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:25am: He is a war-criminal and a demonstrated liar. No wonder you clowns love him. I just think this guy has reached the bottom... and then he amazes me by going even lower...scum at least comes to the top... you are right down there with all the poo..where you will always remain...unbelievable.. Typical - got nothing so resort to irrelevant and baseless personal attacks. Just as well I've come to expect nothing better from right-wingers. oh you nissed saying FILTHY SCUM....which of course isnt anything to do with personal attacks is it... your comments about that SAS soldier are sickening..and I am disgusted not even one of your own side comes out in support of this soldier .. typical..a really good word for a lefty to use..I dont think >:( >:(

Oh, do shut up. You just sound foolish.

Sure you're not Wetweekend's sister???

double plus good wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off.

the left say he DID they were all there all witness' he cant escape..

its the same with Heyden.. he is guilty as hell..evil in fact..if they say he is then forget arguing...they are never wrong... ;) ;)

cods wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:17pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. the left say he DID they were all there all witness' he cant escape.. its the same with Heyden.. he is guilty as hell..evil in fact..if they say he is then forget arguing...they are never wrong... ;) ;)

Australians have great respect for our armed forces. All Labor is doing is hurting themselves. Abbott should take it as far as he can.

Kat wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:07pm: Kat wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:45am: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:32am: Kat wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:25am: He is a war-criminal and a demonstrated liar. No wonder you clowns love him. I just think this guy has reached the bottom... and then he amazes me by going even lower...scum at least comes to the top... you are right down there with all the poo..where you will always remain...unbelievable.. Typical - got nothing so resort to irrelevant and baseless personal attacks. Just as well I've come to expect nothing better from right-wingers. oh you nissed saying FILTHY SCUM....which of course isnt anything to do with personal attacks is it... your comments about that SAS soldier are sickening..and I am disgusted not even one of your own side comes out in support of this soldier .. typical..a really good word for a lefty to use..I dont think >:( >:( Oh, just shut up. Fool. Sure you're not Wetweekend's sister???

OMG IS THIS PERSONAL ABUSE.. NO IT COULDNT BE...

the swamp creature is on his wild horse...

full of PERSONAL ABUSE... keep it up and I will report you..

I will be so happy to do that....so I suggest you keep your distance..I dont like the smell you bring to the forum.

double plus good wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:19pm:

cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:17pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. the left say he DID they were all there all witness' he cant escape.. its the same with Heyden.. he is guilty as hell..evil in fact..if they say he is then forget arguing...they are never wrong... ;) ;) Australians have great respect for our armed forces. All Labor is doing is hurting themselves. Abbott should take it as far as he can.

the AGE is a Labor robot you do know that dont you???...they dont care which part of someones life they attack....

I read a story on Lional Murphy... ::) ::) and how the Labor party supported him through thick and thin...he could of committed murder and he would still be an honored member of the ALP>..I am sure they have a shrine to him somewhere..

we will find out in 12 months..what they had to hide when the 30 year hold on his miss deeds are made public...should make some interesting reading....

otherwise why lock it up for 30 years.. ::) ::) ::) ::)

cods wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:23pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:17pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. the left say he DID they were all there all witness' he cant escape.. its the same with Heyden.. he is guilty as hell..evil in fact..if they say he is then forget arguing...they are never wrong... ;) ;) Australians have great respect for our armed forces. All Labor is doing is hurting themselves. Abbott should take it as far as he can. the AGE is a Labor robot you do know that dont you???...they dont care which part of someones life they attack.... I read a story on Lional Murphy... ::) ::) and how the Labor party supported him through thick and thin...he could of committed murder and he would still be an honored member of the ALP>..I am sure they have a shrine to him somewhere.. we will find out in 12 months..what they had to hide when the 30 year hold on his miss deeds are made public...should make some interesting reading.... otherwise why lock it up for 30 years.. ::) ::) ::) ::)

I fear for Australia. What are we becoming?We are weak at this moment. And never in our history have we been so weak.

cods wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:12pm: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:08pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? I am sure he will be sent to Afghanistan if shortarse gets in....so dont worry yourself dear.. shortarse is good at getting rid of people who stand in his way. But this man could chop Shorten’s head off. They teach them how to kill and maim people over in those terrorist cells. Is this the sort of man you want in see in the halls of parliament? in a word.. YES ;D ;D

Because he’’s a terrorist headhacker, right?

double plus good wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off.

How do you know that, Homo?

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:28pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. How do you know that, Homo?

Because I read.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:57am:

Quote: “It is true as reported that I wasn’t at the scene of the incident when it happened. I was in fact above and away in a helicopter orbiting overhead,’’ he said. He wasn't even there, yet that hasn't stopped Fauxfacts from publishing a lie in a puerile attempt to smear this outstanding Australian.

What lie is that???

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/andrew-hastie-liberal-byelection-candidate-led-troop-probed-for-chopping-hands-off-taliban-20150821-gj52lj.html

:-? :-? :-?

double plus good wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. How do you know that, Homo? Because I read.

How do you know about the war crimes which were hushed up?

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:43pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. How do you know that, Homo? Because I read. How do you know about the war crimes which were hushed up?

The known unknowns - such as?

double plus good wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:

cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:23pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:17pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. the left say he DID they were all there all witness' he cant escape.. its the same with Heyden.. he is guilty as hell..evil in fact..if they say he is then forget arguing...they are never wrong... ;) ;) Australians have great respect for our armed forces. All Labor is doing is hurting themselves. Abbott should take it as far as he can. the AGE is a Labor robot you do know that dont you???...they dont care which part of someones life they attack.... I read a story on Lional Murphy... ::) ::) and how the Labor party supported him through thick and thin...he could of committed murder and he would still be an honored member of the ALP>..I am sure they have a shrine to him somewhere.. we will find out in 12 months..what they had to hide when the 30 year hold on his miss deeds are made public...should make some interesting reading.... otherwise why lock it up for 30 years.. ::) ::) ::) ::) I fear for Australia. What are we becoming?We are weak at this moment. And never in our history have we been so weak.

You can't gut your community, and especially its men, over and over for forty years without reaching a position where you weaken the entire edifice of your society, and the whole thing begins to crumble - as it clearly is right now.

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:43pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. How do you know that, Homo? Because I read. How do you know about the war crimes which were hushed up?

At least I knew it happened in Afghanistan and not Iraq. :-? :-? :-?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:46pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:23pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:17pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. the left say he DID they were all there all witness' he cant escape.. its the same with Heyden.. he is guilty as hell..evil in fact..if they say he is then forget arguing...they are never wrong... ;) ;) Australians have great respect for our armed forces. All Labor is doing is hurting themselves. Abbott should take it as far as he can. the AGE is a Labor robot you do know that dont you???...they dont care which part of someones life they attack.... I read a story on Lional Murphy... ::) ::) and how the Labor party supported him through thick and thin...he could of committed murder and he would still be an honored member of the ALP>..I am sure they have a shrine to him somewhere.. we will find out in 12 months..what they had to hide when the 30 year hold on his miss deeds are made public...should make some interesting reading.... otherwise why lock it up for 30 years.. ::) ::) ::) ::) I fear for Australia. What are we becoming?We are weak at this moment. And never in our history have we been so weak. You can't gut your community, and especially its men, over and over for forty years without reaching a position where you weaken the entire edifice of your society, and the whole thing begins to crumble - as it clearly is right now.

That's true.

double plus good wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:43pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. How do you know that, Homo? Because I read. How do you know about the war crimes which were hushed up? At least I knew it happened in Afghanistan and not Iraq. :-? :-? :-?

Stop pretending to be so naive. Do you think they’d tell you if he was on the ground illegally in Iraq?

They certainly didn’t want the corpse mutilating coming out. This is against the Geneva Convention.

What else has this man done? What else is he capable of doing?

Soren wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 12:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:43pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 12:14pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:59am: This man was over in Iraq chopping people’s hands off. Shouldn’t he be banned from returning to Australia? What’s he going to do if he doesn’t get his way in the party room? He was in Afghanistan Knowledge and he didn't chop any hands off. How do you know that, Homo? Because I read. How do you know about the war crimes which were hushed up? The known unknowns - such as?

Massacres of women and children, execution and torture of POWs, use of chemical and biological weapons - the list goes on.

The ADF is known to treat returned veterans with mental health problems with distain - they call them malingerers and trouble-makers. If this man is elected to parliament, he could have flashbacks or psychotic episodes. He may even sever limbs, or worse, kill. The blood lust in these types is unquenchable. Their desire for revenge is unstoppable.

You wouldn’t give someone like this a drivers licence - why put him within arms-reach of our Prime Minister and cabinet?

I’d go with the lawyer, but far be i from me to tell the voters of Canning what to do.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 11:39am:

a)  Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body.  SOP. b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct  and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence. I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men.

If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head.  Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures.   He did not say, but it is at least logical, the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:39am: a)  Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body.  SOP. b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct  and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence. I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men. If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head.  Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures.   He did not say, but it is at least logical, the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

What's wrong with photos and fingerprints?

They seem to work just fine for ID purposes.

No need to chop hands off, and no need to lug bodies around.

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:39am: a)  Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body.  SOP. b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct  and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence. I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men. If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head.  Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures.   He did not say, but it is at least logical, the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base.

This is one explanation. The other is psychological warfare, as taught by the SAS.

I won’t go into any trade secrets here, but the dismembering of Muslim corpses is a common tactic, not just of the Australian SAS and black ops, but warring Muslim armies.

I wouldnt vote for the bastard, I dont want any mutilating pr!cks running our country.

Next thing we will be having coupes and all that middle eastern sh1t.

Give him a job as a scout master or something.

NO WAY JOSE, I WONT VOTE FOR HIM.

>:( >:( >:(

Kat wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 1:14pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 11:39am: a)  Occasional removal of hands is a way of identifying people without carrying away their entire body.  SOP. b) Hastie would not have been absolved off liability, via the Yamashita Decision, which dictates that the officer in command is responsible for the conduct  and training of his troops, even if he is not immediately present at the time of an offence. I'd venture to suggest this may be behind his retirement from the Regiment - not the SOP actions - but the fact that it became public and he was forced to self-defend by betraying his own men. If one reads between the lines, I'd say you have hit the nail on the head.  Hastie knew and may have authorised the cutting off of hands....this being....as even Hastie implied...within operating procedures.   He did not say, but it is at least logical, the hands would have been severed for ID purposes....much easier than loading a corpse and transporting it back to a Base. What's wrong with photos and fingerprints? They seem to work just fine for ID purposes. No need to chop hands off, and no need to lug bodies around.

The suggestion seems to be that, depending on how much battle is going on at the time, there is no time for fingerprinting......quick chop chop instead.

Hastie would be better served by publicly stating what the SOP was in the relevant circumstances, and also taking the public position that his soldiers were doing precisely what they were trained and instructed to do.

He can’t be around children. He certainly wouldn’t pass a Working With Children’s Check.

He needs to be in an institution of some kind, where he can get all the appropriate treatment.

These both rule him out of federal parliament, I’m afraid.

the alp are against Australia

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

the alp are against Australia

I guess that depends on your definition of 'Australia.'

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

the alp are against Australia

If by that you mean extreme right wing nut jobs? then yes, they are!

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 1:49pm: the alp are against Australia I guess that depends on your definition of 'Australia.'

Australia - the demographic area into which your personal social group fits...

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

I dunno, but that is the rationale behind the behandings.

It’s a worthwhile question. Which army routinely cuts the hands off its dead enemies?

I’m curious.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort???

Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time.

Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they?

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:23pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? I dunno, but that is the rationale behind the behandings.

Sounds like savages collecting war trophies to me.  Unless someone can explain it, it sounds like scalping to me. 

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

It’s a worthwhile question. Which army routinely cuts the hands off its dead enemies? I’m curious.

he ABC has now learned that a total of three right hands were removed from dead insurgents' bodies and taken back to the Australian base in Afghanistan.

The offence occurred on April 28 last year when SAS troops were dispatched to Zabul province as part of a combined operation involving the Afghan National Security Forces and Australia's Special Operations Task Group.

Do you know more about this story? Email investigations@abc.net.au
They were on the hunt for one of the Australian force's priority targets, an insurgent known as Rapier, a specialist in the construction of improvised explosive devices believed to have been responsible for the deaths of a number of Australian soldiers.

Australian troops are required to collect fingerprints and eye scans of every Taliban fighter who is killed.

It can be a difficult process as they are often operating under intense time pressure and in dusty, hot and sweaty conditions.

The ABC understands that during the operation on April 28, four insurgents were killed and that the right hands of three of them were removed by an SAS corporal.

Rapier was not one of them.

The corporal was acting on advice given by an officer from the Australian Defence Force Investigative Service (ADFIS), who lectured a group of SAS soldiers on April 19 during a training session at the Australian base at Tarin Kowt.

The ADFIS officer told them it did not matter how the fingerprints were taken and that it would be acceptable to chop off the hands of the dead and bring them back to base for identification purposes.

The ABC understands it took three days for the senior command at Tarin Kowt to realise what had happened, but as soon as it was known an operation pause was put in place.

The pause, which lasted a week, upset the US command as it had a direct impact on a broader ISAF operation that included US forces.

Unclear if matter will remain internal

After a long investigation, charges are now being considered against the SAS corporal responsible but it is unclear what the charges might be or if they will remain an internal defence disciplinary matter.

The mutilation or mistreatment of the bodies of the dead is a violation of the laws of war.

Article 15 of the Geneva convention states: "At all times, and particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled."

Under Australian Defence doctrine, Australian Defence Force members are required to adhere to the Law of Armed Conflict and the moral principles that underlie them.

The ADF's Law of Armed Conflict states that: "The remains of the dead, regardless of whether they are combatants, non-combatants, protected persons or civilians, are to be respected, in particular their honour, family rights, religious convictions and practices and manners and customs. At all times they shall be humanely treated and protected against pillage and despoilment."

The Defence Department said it would continue to investigate an incident of potential misconduct during a combined operation between Afghan National Security Forces and Australia's Special Operations Task Group in Zabul province, Afghanistan, on April 28, 2013.

It said it would not comment further on the matter until the investigation was complete.

After the publication of the initial story in August last year, the ABC was informed that an AFP investigation would be launched to identify the source of what was described as an unauthorised disclosure of information.

That investigation has concluded.

A statement from the AFP said the investigation did not identify sufficient material or evidence to substantiate any charges over the unauthorised disclosure.

WAS IT BIG ASS JULIAR OR PUSSIE FACE RUDD WHO AUTHORISED THIS   ;) ;)

aussie100percent wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: It’s a worthwhile question. Which army routinely cuts the hands off its dead enemies? I’m curious. he ABC has now learned that a total of three right hands were removed from dead insurgents' bodies and taken back to the Australian base in Afghanistan. The offence occurred on April 28 last year when SAS troops were dispatched to Zabul province as part of a combined operation involving the Afghan National Security Forces and Australia's Special Operations Task Group. Do you know more about this story? Email investigations@abc.net.au They were on the hunt for one of the Australian force's priority targets, an insurgent known as Rapier, a specialist in the construction of improvised explosive devices believed to have been responsible for the deaths of a number of Australian soldiers. Australian troops are required to collect fingerprints and eye scans of every Taliban fighter who is killed. It can be a difficult process as they are often operating under intense time pressure and in dusty, hot and sweaty conditions. The ABC understands that during the operation on April 28, four insurgents were killed and that the right hands of three of them were removed by an SAS corporal. Rapier was not one of them. The corporal was acting on advice given by an officer from the Australian Defence Force Investigative Service (ADFIS), who lectured a group of SAS soldiers on April 19 during a training session at the Australian base at Tarin Kowt. The ADFIS officer told them it did not matter how the fingerprints were taken and that it would be acceptable to chop off the hands of the dead and bring them back to base for identification purposes. The ABC understands it took three days for the senior command at Tarin Kowt to realise what had happened, but as soon as it was known an operation pause was put in place. The pause, which lasted a week, upset the US command as it had a direct impact on a broader ISAF operation that included US forces. Unclear if matter will remain internal After a long investigation, charges are now being considered against the SAS corporal responsible but it is unclear what the charges might be or if they will remain an internal defence disciplinary matter. The mutilation or mistreatment of the bodies of the dead is a violation of the laws of war. Article 15 of the Geneva convention states: "At all times, and particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled." Under Australian Defence doctrine, Australian Defence Force members are required to adhere to the Law of Armed Conflict and the moral principles that underlie them. The ADF's Law of Armed Conflict states that: "The remains of the dead, regardless of whether they are combatants, non-combatants, protected persons or civilians, are to be respected, in particular their honour, family rights, religious convictions and practices and manners and customs. At all times they shall be humanely treated and protected against pillage and despoilment." The Defence Department said it would continue to investigate an incident of potential misconduct during a combined operation between Afghan National Security Forces and Australia's Special Operations Task Group in Zabul province, Afghanistan, on April 28, 2013. It said it would not comment further on the matter until the investigation was complete. After the publication of the initial story in August last year, the ABC was informed that an AFP investigation would be launched to identify the source of what was described as an unauthorised disclosure of information. That investigation has concluded. A statement from the AFP said the investigation did not identify sufficient material or evidence to substantiate any charges over the unauthorised disclosure. WAS IT BIG ASS JULIAR OR PUSSIE FACE RUDD WHO AUTHORISED THIS   ;) ;)

Here is the......

Link.

Nausicaa wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 10:21am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:44am: I don't know if he had any responsibility for this or not but from what I read in that article I wouldn't want that lunatic representing me in an office of responsibility under any circumstances.     The SAS are the ultimate in trained killers. This story doesn't surprise me at all, it isn't even anywhere near some of the stories I've heard from people in the military and intelligence about the SAS. A friend of mine who had to work with commandos, told me how they used to brag about the favourite thing they loved, was night missions where they go into a room, put a barrel of a gun to the heads of people sleeping, wake them up, and the fear in their eyes when they realize whats happening, then shooting them in the head. They used the BRAG about how fun this was. Another friend told me that in one training thing they had to do, they had to have their squad or whatever guard an area for 3 days straight and protect it from 2 SAS commandos, those SAS commandos could literally sneak in the area they were in, get behind them, then they would start to play the "predator sound" and then get out without people noticing (when you've been awake for 3 days, this can bugger you up apparently  ;D ) One documentary I watched on a SAS sniper, had him literally crawling for 3 days straight, through enemy patrol patterns, they were basically walking on top of him, to get a shot at a enemy commander, then get the hell out of this heavily fortified enemy encampment. This is probably one of the most amazing things I've seen in my life, how he wasn't spotted when he was literally crawling within 1 meter of enemy guards and patrols was absolutely amazing. What though put me off, was the interviews with the actual soldier... he came off a bit... psychopathic? You could tell he really loved killing people. Stories amazing, keep that buggerer away from me though especially if he's on the piss. SAS may have amazing leadership skills, they do have near super human physical and mental skills, the math alone it takes to calculate a sniper shot, holy moly, they even have to take into account rotation of earth and earth curvature, but I'm still not convinced that translates well into representing people and being able to be empathetic.

Another of your 'friends', huh? Like your other businessmen friends in North Korea. You are just resorting to make-beleive now.

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Nausicaa wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 10:21am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:44am: I don't know if he had any responsibility for this or not but from what I read in that article I wouldn't want that lunatic representing me in an office of responsibility under any circumstances.     The SAS are the ultimate in trained killers. This story doesn't surprise me at all, it isn't even anywhere near some of the stories I've heard from people in the military and intelligence about the SAS. A friend of mine who had to work with commandos, told me how they used to brag about the favourite thing they loved, was night missions where they go into a room, put a barrel of a gun to the heads of people sleeping, wake them up, and the fear in their eyes when they realize whats happening, then shooting them in the head. They used the BRAG about how fun this was. Another friend told me that in one training thing they had to do, they had to have their squad or whatever guard an area for 3 days straight and protect it from 2 SAS commandos, those SAS commandos could literally sneak in the area they were in, get behind them, then they would start to play the "predator sound" and then get out without people noticing (when you've been awake for 3 days, this can bugger you up apparently  ;D ) One documentary I watched on a SAS sniper, had him literally crawling for 3 days straight, through enemy patrol patterns, they were basically walking on top of him, to get a shot at a enemy commander, then get the hell out of this heavily fortified enemy encampment. This is probably one of the most amazing things I've seen in my life, how he wasn't spotted when he was literally crawling within 1 meter of enemy guards and patrols was absolutely amazing. What though put me off, was the interviews with the actual soldier... he came off a bit... psychopathic? You could tell he really loved killing people. Stories amazing, keep that buggerer away from me though especially if he's on the piss. SAS may have amazing leadership skills, they do have near super human physical and mental skills, the math alone it takes to calculate a sniper shot, holy moly, they even have to take into account rotation of earth and earth curvature, but I'm still not convinced that translates well into representing people and being able to be empathetic. Another of your 'friends', huh? Like your other businessmen friends in North Korea. You are just resorting to make-beleive now.

I wonder if it was an ABC FILM CREW ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:53am:

“He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said.

::)   Douche bag.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag.

A hater of soldiers now? 

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?

You're okay with the mutilation of corpses?

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:27pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  You're okay with the mutilation of corpses?

Better that than the mutilation of women by taxi drivers.

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?

I didn't use the word 'hate'.

I said 'douche bag', which was aimed at Abbott for making such a ridiculous statement.

Mind you, I don't have that much time for soldiers.

You're not very good at this, are you?

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:27pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  You're okay with the mutilation of corpses? Better that than the mutilation of women by taxi drivers.

So, you are okay with the mutilation of corpses.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  I didn't use the word 'hate'. I said 'douche bag', which was aimed at Abbott for making such a ridiculous statement. Mind you, I don't have that much time for soldiers. You're not very good at this, are you?

Even a moderate student of English would be able to work out that your one word response (it is hyphenated) had no object.

It seems however, you are happy to apply it to both.

You really aren't very good at written communication, are you?

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

It seems however, you are happy to apply it to both.

I'm happy to apply it to you too.

If the bag fits ...

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:38pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:36pm: It seems however, you are happy to apply it to both. I'm happy to apply it to you too. If the bag fits ...

Not quite. The douche is dripping down the sides. Its not pretty. 

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:27pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  You're okay with the mutilation of corpses? Better that than the mutilation of women by taxi drivers.

Oh, the SA Spina Bifida boy is back 

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:27pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  You're okay with the mutilation of corpses? Better that than the mutilation of women by taxi drivers.

you're just jealous that even the desperate Indian drivers won't touch you!

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?

Accused of war crimes.

I suppose you'd call him "a good man".

After all, that's what you called the guy who molested five young girls.  Remember?

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:29pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  I didn't use the word 'hate'. I said 'douche bag', which was aimed at Abbott for making such a ridiculous statement. Mind you, I don't have that much time for soldiers. You're not very good at this, are you? Even a moderate student of English would be able to work out that your one word response (it is hyphenated) had no object. It seems however, you are happy to apply it to both. You really aren't very good at written communication, are you?

Really??

https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=iBBwVOmxOsyN8Qei44DIBA&gws_rd=ssl#q=douchebag

Vic wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:29pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:27pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  You're okay with the mutilation of corpses? Better that than the mutilation of women by taxi drivers. Oh, the SA Spina Bifida boy is back

I preferred your pre-edit comment more.

Very pithy, not to say, accurate...

:)

Lobo wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:29pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  I didn't use the word 'hate'. I said 'douche bag', which was aimed at Abbott for making such a ridiculous statement. Mind you, I don't have that much time for soldiers. You're not very good at this, are you? Even a moderate student of English would be able to work out that your one word response (it is hyphenated) had no object. It seems however, you are happy to apply it to both. You really aren't very good at written communication, are you? Really?? https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=iBBwVOmxOsyN8Qei44DIBA&gws_rd=ssl#q=douchebag

Poor old Maria.

She's having another bad day.

Or, is that bad-day?    ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Lobo wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 7:29pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:29pm: mariacostel wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:23pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 6:53am: “He’s fought for our country in the field. He will fight for Canning in Parliament,’’ Mr Abbott said. ::)   Douche bag. A hater of soldiers now?  I didn't use the word 'hate'. I said 'douche bag', which was aimed at Abbott for making such a ridiculous statement. Mind you, I don't have that much time for soldiers. You're not very good at this, are you? Even a moderate student of English would be able to work out that your one word response (it is hyphenated) had no object. It seems however, you are happy to apply it to both. You really aren't very good at written communication, are you? Really?? https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=iBBwVOmxOsyN8Qei44DIBA&gws_rd=ssl#q=douchebag Poor old Maria. She's having another bad day. Or, is that bad-day?    ;)

Early onset menopause???

I'm not sure that's possible after gender reassignment.

attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt.

Seems contradictory doesn't it ?

His duty in the forces would indicate a strong positive in this area but then he goes and joins this Liberal party so who can tell.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they?

If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead. 

Dnarever wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 7:47pm:

attempt to smear an honourable SAS Capt. Seems contradictory doesn't it ? His duty in the forces would indicate a strong positive in this area but then he goes and joins this Liberal party so who can tell.

Yes - I'm astounded.... the Regiment used to be the province of gentlemen of high intellect and ability to get on with others well and generate alliances.  The unfortunate focus of the Afghani conflicts on what is essentially Commando or well-trained Infantry work as opposed to the core purpose of the Regiment has created a dichotomy in thinking and in recruitment and training within it - again.

I think it will be a long, long time before the Regiment returns to its profession, rather than, as at present, its orders.

Partly this is the fault of the region in which we lie, partly the different ethos between Australian service people and British, with a decided difference, or several, between Australian SASR and the British SAS.

It's a calling - not a job.. and unfortunately I believe our politicians have once again used it as a photo shoot op rather than in its core role.

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:13pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.

It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification.

Maybe the media should just shut up for a change.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change.

Not on this occasion.  Hastie put himself out there, and that meant this issue was always going to be out here as well.  As I've said, his best bet is to come totally clean and state that behanding was SOP, as you have pointed out is so very likely the case.

Both he and Abbott were/are fools if he/they thought this would just be washed away on the basis that he is ex ADF, so ipso facto, all must be well.  It does not work that way and Abbott knows it, even if Hastie did not.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change.

DNA testing requires a hair. Hand severing requires the Afghani police to have done their job and collected criminal.suspects’ fingerprints.

Can you imagine that happening anywhere in Afghanistan?

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change. Not on this occasion.  Hastie put himself out there, and that meant this issue was always going to be out here as well.  As I've said, his best bet is to come totally clean and state that behanding was SOP, as you have pointed out is so very likely the case. Both he and Abbott were/are fools if he/they thought this would just be washed away on the basis that he is ex ADF, so ipso facto, all must be well.  It does not work that way and Abbott knows it, even if Hastie did not.

Good point.

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change. DNA testing requires a hair. Hand severing requires the Afghani police to have done their job and collected criminal.suspects’ fingerprints. Can you imagine that happening anywhere in Afghanistan?

No, I can't imagine that.  Even more reason why Hastie needs to come clean with the electorate.  He needs to domonstrate that he was not the hands on, in theatre on hand OIC of a mob of SAS diggers who, as a matter of routine, mutilate corpses.

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change. DNA testing requires a hair. Hand severing requires the Afghani police to have done their job and collected criminal.suspects’ fingerprints. Can you imagine that happening anywhere in Afghanistan?

Not at all.  I think the database was made up of suspects checked and released at different times, in the case of international operatives perhaps passport etc applications from willing nations, and even from US entry records, for those who have visited the US.

The high value targets are generally not just hill muj - they get around a bit.  The suspicion must have been there that these were not just local jihadis.....

OH - do you understand what is this 'cordon and search'?  Villages are cordoned off and villagers checked for documents and authenticity in conjunction with local forces, and in this day and age, are often finger-printed if of military age etc, even if allowed to go their way.

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:41pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change. DNA testing requires a hair. Hand severing requires the Afghani police to have done their job and collected criminal.suspects’ fingerprints. Can you imagine that happening anywhere in Afghanistan? No, I can't imagine that.  Even more reason why Hastie needs to come clean with the electorate.  He needs to domonstrate that he was not the hands on, in theatre on hand OIC of a mob of SAS diggers who, as a matter of routine, mutilate corpses.

He most certainly will not, Aussie. He’ll leave any talk of this to the ADF.

Operational matters, innit.

The 0.001% of Canning who have served the ADF in any capacity won’t skew the erection results a jot.

Hastie bought his service record into the debate ... he can't complain when the media questions it


actually, to be fair to him, he hasn't complained, that skank Bishop did

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:41pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:31pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  It's not that uncommon with suspected high value targets - no time for fingerprinting or DNA testing.  Those guys would have been high value suspects in need of identification. Maybe the media should just shut up for a change. DNA testing requires a hair. Hand severing requires the Afghani police to have done their job and collected criminal.suspects’ fingerprints. Can you imagine that happening anywhere in Afghanistan? Not at all.  I think the database was made up of suspects checked and released at different times, in the case of international operatives perhaps passport etc applications from willing nations, and even from US entry records, for those who have visited the US. The high value targets are generally not just hill muj - they get around a bit.  The suspicion must have been there that these were not just local jihadis.....

So we cut the hands off all "targets" and their families in the hope they’ve been to Amerika and been.fingerprinted as criminal suspects?

That’s ambitious.

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:05pm:

So we cut the hands off all "targets" and their families in the hope they’ve been to Amerika and been.fingerprinted as criminal suspects? That’s ambitious.

I agree ... surely one finger will do ... just make it the one with the most gold rings on it

I didn't say all - just suspected high value targets.  You can only rely on intel....

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 9:05pm: So we cut the hands off all "targets" and their families in the hope they’ve been to Amerika and been.fingerprinted as criminal suspects? That’s ambitious. I agree ... surely one finger will do ... just make it the one with the most gold rings on it

Ears are better with gold rings... much easier to cut...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 9:08pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 9:06pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 9:05pm: So we cut the hands off all "targets" and their families in the hope they’ve been to Amerika and been.fingerprinted as criminal suspects? That’s ambitious. I agree ... surely one finger will do ... just make it the one with the most gold rings on it Ears are better with gold rings...

or teeth? take the whole head so that you cover both earrings and teeth

(if they wore earrings wouldn't their own religious nutter mates behead them on suspicion of being gay? )

Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:13pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:22pm: Can someone who knows about these things please explain to me (1) what the chances are that the hand you cut off in the battlefield is going to match fingerprints we have on file somewhere (God knows where) in Australia and/or the US to allow us to identify the dead person and (2) what the chances are that we're going to identify anyone of any significance to the war effort??? Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. Yep them movies from WWII are not helping you at all here are they? If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.

And if you had sent a single minute in uniform you would know that was not what happened. You just another dumb sh1t civvie making u hysterical nonsense to troll this board.

Come back when you know some actual facts numpty

Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform.

Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out.

And don’t rip me off next time.

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out.

Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations.


Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates


Karnal wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 8:13pm:

If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.

Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/

We loved you lot back in Nam, son. We couldn’t enter your mess halls and you never talked to us in the bars. You were like a bunch of stuck-up virgins.

If you ever entered our barracks, we would have loved you long time.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/

Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it

why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead?

:D :D

Bigol needs another man's hand to get him off, son.

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:31am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/ Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead? :D :D

You wouldn't understand if he told you. Your a goddam civvie

So's Bigol.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

And if you had sent a single minute in uniform you would know that was not what happened.

Perhaps you could lend him your nurse's uniform.

Just so he can get a feel of things.

If any Aussie Soldier has been to battle it was for my benefit.

I will not make disparaging remarks or clever sarcastic comments against him/her.

Well done Soldier, thank you very much.

He's not a soldier, and the invasion of Iraq was not for your benefit.

You can thank him for winning another seat for the Libs, which he's likely to do.

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:43am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:31am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/ Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead? :D :D

Jeez another Call of Duty hero wanna be.

Simple fact genius they didn't cut off his hand to see if he was dead. That is something you two made up,  because you are loud mouthed civvie trolls.


This is why you pair are the laughing stock of this board

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

So's Bigol.

You have already acknowledge my service, clown  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Are you brain damaged from some sort of birth defect or maybe heavy drug use, you can't remember anything for more than few minutes?

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

We loved you lot back in Nam, son. We couldn’t enter your mess halls and you never talked to us in the bars. You were like a bunch of stuck-up virgins. If you ever entered our barracks, we would have loved you long time.

Yeah, we don't refer to Viet Nam as, 'Nam, that is only in amercan war movies.

You were never in the ADF and judging by this post about Viet Nam, you're blending watching Rambo with your contiki tour.


Civvies can't bluff their way into a service career, that is why you losers always get caught.  ;D ;D ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:43am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:31am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/ Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead? :D :D Jeez another Call of Duty hero wanna be. is that where you get all your expertise from? Personally I don't play video games. Simple fact genius they didn't cut off his hand to see if he was dead. That is something you two made up,  because you are loud mouthed civvie trolls. I didn't say they cut of hand to see if he was dead. You did! Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. This is why you pair are the laughing stock of this board no, they laugh because we keep making you look like the fool you are

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:43am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:31am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/ Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead? :D :D Jeez another Call of Duty hero wanna be. Simple fact genius they didn't cut off his hand to see if he was dead.

That's strange. You were the one who said they did.

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:37am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:27am: Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:43am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:31am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/ Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead? :D :D Jeez another Call of Duty hero wanna be. is that where you get all your expertise from? Personally I don't play video games. Simple fact genius they didn't cut off his hand to see if he was dead. That is something you two made up,  because you are loud mouthed civvie trolls. I didn't say they cut of hand to see if he was dead. You did! Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. This is why you pair are the laughing stock of this board no, they laugh because we keep making you look like the fool you are

Actually it was your boyfriend karnal that made the hands statement and you were the one was supporting his posts. It doesn't take much to roll back and check, lest you look like a fool, again


;D ;D ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

That's strange. You were the one who said they did.

You were the first and only person to mention cutting off hands to see if they were dead, after I mentioned it was done to check identity, which is why they actually did it.

Roll back genius,

Fkkkk me you are stupid.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:37am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:27am: Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:43am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:31am: Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 9:07am: Civvie? Get your hand off it, son. You were an air force technition in peacetime. All you did was put on a uniform. Go back to your room, son. This is men’s business. If I need a techie, I’ll call you out. Every thing you have ever said indicated you are nothing more than an angry loud mouthed civvie, you know nothing about how the ADF operates at any level, let alone on operations. Case in point, this is the statement of a dumb sh1t civvie, not someone who know how the ADF operates Karnal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 8:13pm: If you’d spent even an hour in battle, son, you’d know we don’t cut the enemy’s hands off to see if he’s dead.  Now run along little man, you have marched with your false tin too long. Maybe you should be reported http://www.anzmi.net/ Tell me Bigol, I'm not an expert like you so maybe you can explain it why do you need to cut off a hand to see if they're dead? sure a bullet through the head to confirm it or simply checking for a pulse will tell you if they're dead? :D :D Jeez another Call of Duty hero wanna be. is that where you get all your expertise from? Personally I don't play video games. Simple fact genius they didn't cut off his hand to see if he was dead. That is something you two made up,  because you are loud mouthed civvie trolls. I didn't say they cut of hand to see if he was dead. You did! Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time. This is why you pair are the laughing stock of this board no, they laugh because we keep making you look like the fool you are Actually it was your boyfriend karnal that made the hands statement and you were the one was supporting his posts. It doesn't take much to roll back and check, lest you look like a fool, again ;D ;D ;D ;D

Apparently not as big a fool as you dopey ...

you first mentioned it at 5.27pm .... it doesn't take much to scroll back and check  :D :D :D :D

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

You were the first and only person to mention cutting off hands to see if they were dead, after I mentioned it was done to check identity, which is why they actually did it.

Sorry, son, you're right. Here you are saying they shouldn't chop hands off to make sure they're dead.


BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time.

STOP THE BOATS.

oh no....

oh no...............

this thing again...

the ARMY KING PERSON thing...

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:52am: You were the first and only person to mention cutting off hands to see if they were dead, after I mentioned it was done to check identity, which is why they actually did it. Sorry, son, you're right. Here you are saying they shouldn't chop hands off to make sure they're dead. BigOl64 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: Yes it is always better to not bother making sure that you killed someone important, because knowing that would be stupid and a waste of time.

No - but a hefty boot to the shin with a steel capped boot makes sure they're not faking it...

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2015 at 10:41am: That's strange. You were the one who said they did. You were the first and only person to mention cutting off hands to see if they were dead ...

Well, what would you cut off to see if they were dead?

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

STOP THE BOATS.

STOP THE PENSIONS!