Previously New Zealand was purchasing Australian designed and manufactured small arms.


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The New Zealand MoD was authorised in May 2014 to undertake a tender to purchase 8,800 'off-the-shelf' replacement rifles and associated accessories. A key requirement is that the new weapon with suitable sights should be able to detect, identify, and engage adversaries at both close quarters and at distances of up to 500 m in daylight.

http://www.janes.com/article/53827/new-zealand-selects-lmt-rifle-for-steyr-replacement

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed

It wasn't.  It is Austrian originally.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed It wasn't.  It is Austrian originally.

i knew it but was trying to b e subtle

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed

F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length.

you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel.

The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels.

Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures. Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels. Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop.

Australian stuff isn't really SS109.

Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand.

It looks identical but it isn't.

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical.

You're talking about externals.  Internally it is identical to a Steyr AUG.

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures.

So, you're suggesting that the New Zealand Army is not going to utilise STANAG ammunition?   ::)

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:20pm: easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures. Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels. Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop. Australian stuff isn't really SS109. Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand. It looks identical but it isn't.

Australian ammunition is STANAG compliant 5.56x45mm SS109 ammunition.  Not sure where you're getting your info from except out of your bum, Easel.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:22pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical. You're talking about externals.  Internally it is identical to a Steyr AUG.

No it's not. If you mean the A3, there are major external differences.

Internally it is dissimilar to an AUG.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:23pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:20pm: easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures. Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels. Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop. Australian stuff isn't really SS109. Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand. It looks identical but it isn't. Australian ammunition is STANAG compliant 5.56x45mm SS109 ammunition.  Not sure where you're getting your info from except out of your bum, Easel.   ::)

It's incompatible with standard NATO ammunition.

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 6:40pm: easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:22pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed F88 is different in design to Steyr AUG. But looks nearly identical. You're talking about externals.  Internally it is identical to a Steyr AUG. No it's not. If you mean the A3, there are major external differences. Internally it is dissimilar to an AUG.

Bullshit.   ::)

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 6:43pm: easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:23pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:20pm: easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures. Then they won't be using the Australian manufactured ss109 ammunition we currently use in our weapons as it loses way too much muzzle velocity in the shorter barrels. Well they are a dinky little army anyway, they could just buy a couple of packets of 223 at the local gun shop. Australian stuff isn't really SS109. Australian rifles are not compatible with foreign ammunition that is SS109. Australian rifles cannot be supplied by foreign supply chains. If operating with other militaries using 5.56 ammunition, Australia cannot use their rounds if running short. Everyone else can share the NATO round. And now so can New Zealand. It looks identical but it isn't. Australian ammunition is STANAG compliant 5.56x45mm SS109 ammunition.  Not sure where you're getting your info from except out of your bum, Easel.   ::) It's incompatible with standard NATO ammunition.

Evidence.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures. So, you're suggesting that the New Zealand Army is not going to utilise STANAG ammunition?   ::)

Good point. I never thought of that.

But there is also not 1 type of ammunition available.

Eg, if you are using a suppressed weapon subsonic ammunition is available.

The F88 is not a Steyr AUG.

Internally it is different. Externally there are differences too. Things such as fire selectors and safety locations.

And it will not fire standard NATO ammunition.

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 6:41pm: easel wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 2:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:19pm: Not going to achieve that engagement range very effectively with a 14in barrel length. you can do it these days with faster burning/faster expanding powders. The powder burns so fast the energy out of a 14inch barrel is that of a 20inch barrel. The breech and barrel have to be tougher than normal though to prevent the breech blowing up or the barrel warping from the higher pressures. So, you're suggesting that the New Zealand Army is not going to utilise STANAG ammunition?   ::) Good point. I never thought of that.

Funny that.   ::)


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But there is also not 1 type of ammunition available.

There are many types.  However the STANAG on SS109 ammunition only describes one type.


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Eg, if you are using a suppressed weapon subsonic ammunition is available.

And you won't reach 500 metres with it, either.   ::)

easel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

The F88 is not a Steyr AUG. Internally it is different. Externally there are differences too. Things such as fire selectors and safety locations. And it will not fire standard NATO ammunition.

Bullshit.   ::)

F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round

Different gas system.

Will not feed standard NATO rounds.

And the selector for full automatic fire is different on the Australian version.

Majorly different.

And on that note I will end the discussion because people are pretending to know more than me. And I know hardly anything. Therefore they know less than nothing and discussing with them is pointless as they want to appear informed for some odd reason.

Who are these weirdos?

The F88 does not have a bolt release and you have to work the bolt by hand.

End of discussion.

Will not work with allied ammunition. Does not have the same gas system.

easel wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:47pm: F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round Different gas system. Will not feed standard NATO rounds.

Wait what?


The steyr uses a the nato standard 5.56 ss109 ammo, the gas system has nothing to do with the breech. As in the breech holds the round, the gas system forced the bolt and expended round rearward.


We use this ammo in the F88 steyr and F89 Minimi and the M4 all of which use the 5.56 x 45 nato round.


So I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, and I doubt you do to.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round

The Americans buy our ADI SS109 for plinking with their Ar15's, it's cheap and considered pretty good, they like how it's not as sensitive to temperature variations like other ammo.

Australian Outback is their civilian line of ammo with hunting projectiles

ADI had their defence contract renewed without being put to tender,they employ around 6500 people so no real competition if you think about it.

As for NZ do we really know which model they have chosen, I reckon the cqbps16 looks like a nice gas piston ar,that's the one I would choose.

easel wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:

And the selector for full automatic fire is different on the Australian version. Majorly different. And on that note I will end the discussion because people are pretending to know more than me. And I know hardly anything. Therefore they know less than nothing and discussing with them is pointless as they want to appear informed for some odd reason.

Have you ever even seen an F88, let alone fired one?  I suspect not.   It is obvious you know SFA about small arms.

Externally, there are minor differences between the F88 and the Steyr AUG.

Lets see if you can ID which is which, shall we?

http://www.specops.pl/vortal/technika/bron_strzelecka/Steyr_Mannlicher_AUG/F88%201.jpg

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/zombie/images/d/d0/Steyr_aug.jpg

So, which is why, Easel?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

easel wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 2:37pm: And the selector for full automatic fire is different on the Australian version. Majorly different. And on that note I will end the discussion because people are pretending to know more than me. And I know hardly anything. Therefore they know less than nothing and discussing with them is pointless as they want to appear informed for some odd reason. Have you ever even seen an F88, let alone fired one?  I suspect not.   It is obvious you know SFA about small arms. Externally, there are minor differences between the F88 and the Steyr AUG. Lets see if you can ID which is which, shall we? http://www.specops.pl/vortal/technika/bron_strzelecka/Steyr_Mannlicher_AUG/F88%201.jpg http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/zombie/images/d/d0/Steyr_aug.jpg So, which is why, Easel?

F88 does not have a bolt release. The top one does not have a bolt release. If the bottom one does not have one on the opposite side, then it is also a F88.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:47pm: F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round The Americans buy our ADI SS109 for plinking with their Ar15's, it's cheap and considered pretty good, they like how it's not as sensitive to temperature variations like other ammo. Australian Outback is their civilian line of ammo with hunting projectiles ADI had their defence contract renewed without being put to tender,they employ around 6500 people so no real competition if you think about it. As for NZ do we really know which model they have chosen, I reckon the cqbps16 looks like a nice gas piston ar,that's the one I would choose.

The F88 ammuntion looks identical to the standard NATO round. The dimensions are the same.

The gas system in the F88 will not handle standard NATO ammunition. The Steyr AUG will.

easel wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 2:48pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:36pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:47pm: F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round The Americans buy our ADI SS109 for plinking with their Ar15's, it's cheap and considered pretty good, they like how it's not as sensitive to temperature variations like other ammo. Australian Outback is their civilian line of ammo with hunting projectiles ADI had their defence contract renewed without being put to tender,they employ around 6500 people so no real competition if you think about it. As for NZ do we really know which model they have chosen, I reckon the cqbps16 looks like a nice gas piston ar,that's the one I would choose. The F88 ammuntion looks identical to the standard NATO round. The dimensions are the same. The gas system in the F88 will not handle standard NATO ammunition. The Steyr AUG will.

How does the gas system differ?

If it can't handle Nato ammo it can't handle any 5.56/223 ammo.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 3:37pm:

easel wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:48pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:36pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:47pm: F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round The Americans buy our ADI SS109 for plinking with their Ar15's, it's cheap and considered pretty good, they like how it's not as sensitive to temperature variations like other ammo. Australian Outback is their civilian line of ammo with hunting projectiles ADI had their defence contract renewed without being put to tender,they employ around 6500 people so no real competition if you think about it. As for NZ do we really know which model they have chosen, I reckon the cqbps16 looks like a nice gas piston ar,that's the one I would choose. The F88 ammuntion looks identical to the standard NATO round. The dimensions are the same. The gas system in the F88 will not handle standard NATO ammunition. The Steyr AUG will. How does the gas system differ? If it can't handle Nato ammo it can't handle any 5.56/223 ammo.

The gas system is different to the point if the pressures that occur during firing of standard NATO ammuntion is used, there are problems such as misfeeds and jams.

That is why Australian made ammunition must be used. The powders and pressures are different.

The round is identical in appearance. The powders are not the same and the rifle is not backwards compatible with allied ammunition.

I don't know if this is the same with the new production F88 that looks nothing like the green plastic rifle.

easel wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:37pm: easel wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:48pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:36pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:47pm: F88 Austeyr: The Australian Army's modified version of the Steyr AUG A1. Changes for the Australian version include a bayonet lug, a 1:7 in rifling pitch as found in the M16A2 rifle, optimised for the heavier 62-grain NATO-standard SS109/M855 round The Americans buy our ADI SS109 for plinking with their Ar15's, it's cheap and considered pretty good, they like how it's not as sensitive to temperature variations like other ammo. Australian Outback is their civilian line of ammo with hunting projectiles ADI had their defence contract renewed without being put to tender,they employ around 6500 people so no real competition if you think about it. As for NZ do we really know which model they have chosen, I reckon the cqbps16 looks like a nice gas piston ar,that's the one I would choose. The F88 ammuntion looks identical to the standard NATO round. The dimensions are the same. The gas system in the F88 will not handle standard NATO ammunition. The Steyr AUG will. How does the gas system differ? If it can't handle Nato ammo it can't handle any 5.56/223 ammo. The gas system is different to the point if the pressures that occur during firing of standard NATO ammuntion is used, there are problems such as misfeeds and jams. That is why Australian made ammunition must be used. The powders and pressures are different.

How does the gas system differ?

Sizing and other things such as pressure required.

easel wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Sizing and other things such as pressure required.

Really?  And how is this "pressure required" generated?

Australia manufactures three types of SS109 Ammunition.  Do you know what they are designated and what the differences between them are?  This is afterall, publicly available information, so you don't have to worry about contravening the Official Secrets Act.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 8:58pm:

easel wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 4:06pm: Sizing and other things such as pressure required. Really?  And how is this "pressure required" generated? Australia manufactures three types of SS109 Ammunition.  Do you know what they are designated and what the differences between them are?  This is afterall, publicly available information, so you don't have to worry about contravening the Official Secrets Act.   ::)

If you think the F88 can fire standard NATO munitions, then this is not public information and I decline to entertain the topic any further.

easel wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 3:25am:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 8:58pm: easel wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 4:06pm: Sizing and other things such as pressure required. Really?  And how is this "pressure required" generated? Australia manufactures three types of SS109 Ammunition.  Do you know what they are designated and what the differences between them are?  This is afterall, publicly available information, so you don't have to worry about contravening the Official Secrets Act.   ::) If you think the F88 can fire standard NATO munitions, then this is not public information and I decline to entertain the topic any further.

And how does the F89 and M4 fire both NATO and these 'special' substandard rounds with out any loss of performance and the F88 does not?


There must be a marked difference which the F88 cannot possibly use the nato standard round and the F89 and M4 both rattle away just fine.

I have spent many years during my 'time in' dealing with all sorts of weapons related issues and I have never heard of anything like this and neither have any of my mates who are still in service.

So feel free to provide some details.

Gas system.

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Army spends $590,000 on 5.56mm ball ammunition that does not fit their standard-issue Steyr rifles. Comment from Major Kristian Dunne, General Jerry Mataparae, Wayne Mapp, and David Tipple.

http://natlib.govt.nz/records/31312660?search%5Bi%5D%5Bsubject%5D=Ammunition&search%5Bpath%5D=items

I can't be sure if this is about the gas system or the weight of the NATO bullets not being compatible in the standard AU-NZ Steyr barrel due to the twist rate. The barrel is very fast to change.

easel wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Gas system.

Hmmm you either

a) don't understand the meaning of details
b) are utterly clueless of the F88, F89 & M4 technical capabilities and deficiencies
c) are a major dullard who just got caught out trying to bullsh1t people who know what they are talking about.


Im thinking c)  ;D ;D ;D

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easel wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

I can't be sure if this is about the gas system or the weight of the NATO bullets not being compatible in the standard AU-NZ Steyr barrel due to the twist rate.

The twist rate of the rifling only affects projectile stability and accuracy, it makes no difference to whether the gun can fire the round.

Heavier projectiles require a faster twist rate for projectile stability.

You are clueless about this topic.

The rest of your existence on this planet is going to be destroyed.

Even if you manage to flee to North Korea, we can destroy you there.

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Your life is ruined.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

easel wrote on Sep 9th, 2015 at 5:08pm: I can't be sure if this is about the gas system or the weight of the NATO bullets not being compatible in the standard AU-NZ Steyr barrel due to the twist rate. The twist rate of the rifling only affects projectile stability and accuracy, it makes no difference to whether the gun can fire the round. Heavier projectiles require a faster twist rate for projectile stability. You are clueless about this topic.

Watch out, while easel knows less than frig all about small arms, he does conjure up a good threat about spies an stuff.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The rest of your existence on this planet is going to be destroyed. Even if you flee to North Korea, we can get you there.

Your life is ruined.

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BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 3:15pm: easel wrote on Sep 9th, 2015 at 5:08pm: I can't be sure if this is about the gas system or the weight of the NATO bullets not being compatible in the standard AU-NZ Steyr barrel due to the twist rate. The twist rate of the rifling only affects projectile stability and accuracy, it makes no difference to whether the gun can fire the round. Heavier projectiles require a faster twist rate for projectile stability. You are clueless about this topic. Watch out, while easel knows less than frig all about small arms, he does conjure up a good threat about spies an stuff.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

He makes a good case for us to spend more on mental health. ::)

I may or may not receive instruction from a DEFENSE ATTACHE.

Your postings MAY OR MAY NOT BE attacking the capabilities and integrity of a foreign military. But they are continually attacking a foreign government.

This is incredibly serious.

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The rest of your existence on this planet is going to be destroyed. Even if you flee to North Korea, we can get you there.

Your life is ruined.

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easel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

I may or may not receive instruction from a DEFENSE ATTACHE. Your postings MAY OR MAY NOT BE attacking the capabilities and integrity of a foreign military. But they are continually attacking a foreign government. This is incredibly serious. http://www.dia.mil/Portals/27/DIAseal-1color-80x80.png

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Belgium, Netherlands join NATO smart ammo purchasing group Belgium and the Netherlands have joined a Denmark-led group of allies that aims to jointly buy smart ammunition from the United States. "I am convinced that successful co-operation in this area will, in time, lead to more co-operation in other areas," Belgian Defence Minister Steven Vandeput said on 8 October at the letter of intent signing at NATO headquarters. A formal memorandum of understanding could follow "very quickly". The smart ammo initiative was launched at NATO's September 2014 summit in Wales. The Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Norway, Portugal, and Spain are the other members of the group.

http://www.janes.com/article/55116/belgium-netherlands-join-nato-smart-ammo-purchasing-group

You do realise, don't you Easel that the "Smart" Ammunition being referred to is in 12.7mm calibre, not 5.56mm?   ::)

That doesn't remove the fact that is is being done to increase interoperability.

easel wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 12:22am:

That doesn't remove the fact that is is being done to increase interoperability.

So, start a new thread on it, Easel...   ::)

You have been hostilely engaged with a foreign government for a protracted period of time.

Your existence on this planet has been destroyed.

You are a nobody and a nothing.

Don't ever forget that.

easel wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:

You have been hostilely engaged with a foreign government for a protracted period of time. Your existence on this planet has been destroyed. You are a nobody and a nothing. Don't ever forget that.

Really?  Yet my life continues, Easel, in exactly the same way it always has, before your arrival on this forum.

So, why not start a new thread, Easel?  Too difficult?   ::) ::)

You are almost at the threshold requiring a control order issued by the attorney generals department.

Keep going.

Political discussion could end up illegal for you at this rate. And you could have your social networks made illegal for you to engage with.

Keep going. It's worth it.

easel wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:49am:

You are almost at the threshold requiring a control order issued by the attorney generals department.

You mean the AG's Department that you're investigating, Easel?  Why would the AG issue a Control Order against me?  You do know under what conditions a Control Order can be issued?  I suspect not.    ::)


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Keep going. Political discussion could end up illegal for you at this rate. And you could have your social networks made illegal for you to engage with. Keep going. It's worth it.

I look forward to my day in court Easel where your identity will be revealed for the world to laugh at.    ::) ::)

If the whole department was corrupt I wouldn't be in this country.

You do know what espionage is. And you do know how that crime can restrict your associations.

We don't want anything to do with you.

easel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

If the whole department was corrupt I wouldn't be in this country. You do know what espionage is. And you do know how that crime can restrict your associations. We don't want anything to do with you.

I have no idea why you're in the country, Easel.  Are you a migrant or a tourist?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 12:08am:

easel wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 7:49pm: If the whole department was corrupt I wouldn't be in this country. You do know what espionage is. And you do know how that crime can restrict your associations. We don't want anything to do with you. I have no idea why you're in the country, Easel.  Are you a migrant or a tourist?   ::)

Traveling Clown

easel wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

I may or may not receive instruction from a DEFENSE ATTACHE. Your postings MAY OR MAY NOT BE attacking the capabilities and integrity of a foreign military. But they are continually attacking a foreign government. This is incredibly serious. http://www.dia.mil/Portals/27/DIAseal-1color-80x80.png

ROFL

You have not attempted to disengage.

You are engaging in self radicalising behavior. Against a foreign government representative that is sympathetic to people with illegal government interference in their lives.

You could end up with no avenues of redress available.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 12:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 at 12:08am: easel wrote on Oct 14th, 2015 at 7:49pm: If the whole department was corrupt I wouldn't be in this country. You do know what espionage is. And you do know how that crime can restrict your associations. We don't want anything to do with you. I have no idea why you're in the country, Easel.  Are you a migrant or a tourist?   ::) Traveling Clown

A tourist then?   ::)

Discussing an international effort to ruin your existence on this planet seems to make you happy.

Glad I made you feel good.

easel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

Discussing an international effort to ruin your existence on this planet seems to make you happy. Glad I made you feel good.

Easel.  not many posters amuse me, you, OTOH, do so.   ::)

Glad the destruction of your life, anywhere on the face of the earth, amuses you.

Give him a red card easel.

Was your life ruined back in the day or is this a new development for you?

I assume you knew you were already destroyed and this type of participation is due to your own frustration and incompetence, and allowing you to believe you are getting one back on 'the man'.

But you are allowing 'the man' to make anyone who finds this forum aware that the slightest attack not on policy, but on a direct government channel, destroys their life.

So you are also restricting via fear the potential for anyone to mount a public attack on 'the man'.

You have nothing and no backing. Welcome to the ruining of your life.

And the destruction of your aims and objectives.

Idiot.

Stop going around abusing people, you come across as someone with a mental illness. Its all fun and games pretending to be who you do and is a good laugh and all but being abusive and threatening people calling people idiots all the time and that you are going to see their lives destroyed is going over the top.

Grow up.

YOUR LIFE IS BEYOND DESTROYED, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

YOU CANNOT ENGAGE ME IN THAT MANNER.

YOU ARE BEYOND STUPID. AND YOUR LIFE IS BEYOND DESTROYED.

easel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 11:10pm:

YOUR LIFE IS BEYOND DESTROYED, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU CANNOT ENGAGE ME IN THAT MANNER. YOU ARE BEYOND STUPID. AND YOUR LIFE IS BEYOND DESTROYED.

Clearly you have some mental illness, and that's sad.

http://www.mnd.gov.tw/App_Themes/Chinese/images/mobileqrcode.png

easel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

http://www.mnd.gov.tw/App_Themes/Chinese/images/mobileqrcode.png

;D ;D ;D ;D

BIG DEAL anyone can post a website link to ANY website.

Keep dreaming little man.

Any further attacks will be considered to be an attack with the backing of Australian government authorities. We will retaliate.

You are now a national security risk, and if you continue, are undertaking acts specifically designed to harm Australia. What ASIO do, if anything, is for them. A lack of action indicates a government sponsored attack against multiple foreign governments. We will retaliate.

https://www.cia.gov/images/CIA_OlderKids_160w.jpg/image.jpg

Doing it in this context implies representation and authority of the mentioned government.

Which I have already established.

And you are attacking that capability rather than using the appropriate channel and reporting it to the government for potential or suspected misrepresentation of an extremely serious national security matter.

You are out of line.

And attacking and trying to harm the capabilities of multiple foreign governments.

Your life is destroyed.

Who ??? little old me, ;D ;D ;D

I finally made the big leagues.

I still work for the CIA.

And your life is still ruined.

I know that makes you happy.

easel wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

I still work for the CIA. And your life is still ruined. I know that makes you happy.

Yeah so do I what a coincidence.

Quote:

Various operations of Taiwan's Military Intelligence Bureau (MIB) will be allocated to different branches of the administration that are under the purview of the Ministry of National Defense, our sister newspaper China Times reports.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20130103000087&cid=1101


Quote:

Men in Black is an American comic science fiction franchise of comic books and other media that focuses on the eponymous and fictional non-governmental organization which monitors and regulates paranormal and alien activity on Earth while preventing civilians from finding out about it.

Quote:

Hualien County (Chinese: 花蓮縣; pinyin: Huālián Xiàn) has the largest area of all counties in Taiwan, and is located on the country's mountainous eastern coast.

So ? you posted some internet info anyone can google - and ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiBLgEx6svA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhD0vBFta58

http://www.nis.go.kr/img/common/logo.png

Check this one out its pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R7pgjj3_zg

https://www.cia.gov/++theme++contextual.agencytheme/images/logo.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4qfspyIIAABHUp.jpg

..

http://www.army.mil/e2/c/images/2011/12/15/230273/size0.jpg

Easel if you think the military and cia are going to come here to this forum and destroy the lives of people just because you posted a link from there just for disagreeing with you. May I suggest there computer system isn't going to give a fat rats ass.

At most they would be laughing at your posts bud.
.

You are attempting to psychologically manipulate the CIA and give your self credibility in the field of international intelligence utilising the reference point of the CIA.

You are in extremely serious trouble.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/amazed-clown-23406597.jpg

http://www.mnd.gov.tw/App_Themes/Chinese/images/mobileqrcode.png

::)

You think you're going to be able to socially degrade a foreign intelligence service deployed operationally and attempt to use that to improve your own image and get away with it?

Who's laughing now?

Whoa.. whoa.. WHOA!

What specific model LMT are we discussing here?

Proven track record weapons are usually first on the list.... why would NZ go for something different, even though it matches calibre?

easel wrote on Aug 27^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Previously New Zealand was purchasing Australian designed and manufactured small arms. Quote: The New Zealand MoD was authorised in May 2014 to undertake a tender to purchase 8,800 'off-the-shelf' replacement rifles and associated accessories. A key requirement is that the new weapon with suitable sights should be able to detect, identify, and engage adversaries at both close quarters and at distances of up to 500 m in daylight. http://www.janes.com/article/53827/new-zealand-selects-lmt-rifle-for-steyr-replacement

A 5.56 in daylight at 500m.. dream on......

Did a woman make this decision?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Not sure the Steyr was aussie designed

Austrian - but that's Australian in Reagan-speak.....