http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/john-torney-charged-with-murdering-mildura-toddler-nikki-francis-coslovich/story-fnii5smt-1227501943637


ISIL isnt the only evil out there..

:'( :'(

Yes - I cannot read these stories... and find it impossible to understand at all.

Another case of the 'new lion in the pride' killing off offspring not his own - and women continue to get into relationships like this and even often participate.

A child with mother and 'new lion' is seven times more likely to be abused or murdered than at home with two natural parents.

grap you must force yourself to read about it...

hy do you think so many get missed.. because people turn away they dont want to know....it makes them feel guilty..

and so we should be.. we seem to almost accept this now...why was this child there???>. as a grandmother I know if any of my children even looked like treating my grandkids this way they would have to take me to court to get them back.... and then some...this child should never have been left there...

I dont give a stuff about stats and I am sure the precious child didnt. did you see her little face...........

these men that do this should never see the light of day...the mother should never ever be allowed to have another child...the babies father is also a junky.. I am over it. the system worries and seems to care more for filthy junkies than it does for the children they seem to have no trouble producing.

the moment a single mother takes in a partner then DOCs  should be on their doorstep every day...and if he is a junky then the child is removed.. until he is gone for good...

we have to do everything to stop this its too easy for this scum to move in with a single mother.. far too easy..they have usually been given cheap housing...and a pension....why wouldnt they seek that type out... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:

Yes - I cannot read these stories... and find it impossible to understand at all. Another case of the 'new lion in the pride' killing off offspring not his own - and women continue to get into relationships like this and even often participate. A child with mother and 'new lion' is seven times more likely to be abused or murdered than at home with two natural parents.

You are right grappler.....or even living in relative safety with one parent.

I haven't heard about this and I'm not opening the link, but I can guess what's happened.

Nor will I open the link- but the scenario is predictable- and all too common- heart breaking  :-[

Use this tragedy as a stepping stone towards changing the system? Good luck with that!

Those who try to control the natural way of things have blood on their hands....and guess what? They don't even care.

im so bugger*** angry I could spit...  >:(

I woke up in a hell of a good mood this morning, excitedly about to write out a job application.. but then I read this..  :'(


Quote:

Mr Coslovich and his family say they repeatedly told authorities that they were concerned about Nikki’s safety while she lived with her mother. Mr Coslovich, who on Friday faced the heartbreaking task of identifying his daughter’s body, said afterwards: “Her forehead’s all bruised and beaten. “She looks like she’s gone 12 rounds with an actual boxer. “Her chin looks like it has gravel rash; it’s like she’s been dragged through the place,” Mr Coslovich said. “Her face looks like a rainbow — it’s purple and pink and brown,” he said. Mr Coslovich was shown only his daughter’s face at the viewing.

my granddaughter stayed over night with us last night and I could not fathom if anyone would do something like that to her.. I reckon i'd kill the bastard with my own bare hands  >:(

and that nice person of a woman needs to be thrown in jail as well... 

she needs her face smashed in... >:(

Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty.

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty.

Premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners?

No.

That would make us no better than the criminals.

Hence the word adult. You goff off and search for memes and let the grown ups talk.

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

Hence the word adult. You goff off and search for memes and let the grown ups talk.

Your sentence was an oxymoron.

"Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty."

Those who support the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners are no better than the criminals they target.

There's nothing vaguely adult about the concept of capital punishment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:59am:

double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:56am: Hence the word adult. You goff off and search for memes and let the grown ups talk. Your sentence was an oxymoron. "Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty." Those who support the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners are no better than the criminals they target. There's nothing vaguely adult about the concept of capital punishment.

I'd pull the trapdoor lever on a child killer any day.

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:59am: double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:56am: Hence the word adult. You goff off and search for memes and let the grown ups talk. Your sentence was an oxymoron. "Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty." Those who support the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners are no better than the criminals they target. There's nothing vaguely adult about the concept of capital punishment. I'd pull the trapdoor lever on a child killer any day.

Thank you for proving my point.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:06am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:59am: double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:56am: Hence the word adult. You goff off and search for memes and let the grown ups talk. Your sentence was an oxymoron. "Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty." Those who support the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners are no better than the criminals they target. There's nothing vaguely adult about the concept of capital punishment. I'd pull the trapdoor lever on a child killer any day. Thank you for proving my point.

No probs. Don't make yourself too civilised.

I'd be killing someone that thoroughly deserves it. Big difference.

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

I'd be killing someone that thoroughly deserves it. Big difference.

Now you're trying to justify it in your own mind.

No matter what your reasons are, you would still be a premeditated killer.

That makes you no better than the criminal.

greg this is a terrible end for a little girl who did nothing but be born....please dont turn it into a political thread all about you....you do it every time...the penalty for this monster who did this.. wont stop anything...dont you get that..

we are all guilty for standing by watching this come to its inevitable end..

dont you read the link.... you must it should be compulsory...

every person who claims they CARE about what we see more and more of.. must READ THAT LINK..

it is horrifying....NO IT DOESNT DESCRIBE HOW SHE DIED....

IT DESCRIBES HOW SHE WAS LET DOWN BY SOCIETY...

I have so many visions of little faces that society has not been there for in my head........

we have a system out there  where children have what they call Uncles/Friends/ even grandmothers strangers make friends with these kids and teach them what their parents dont seem to be able too..

how come we dont have those protectors for these babies...??????... how come if we persist in leaving these children with junkies....WHY they are not visited every single day if thats the case....

Let me blow his brains out. I'm not afraid of the condemnation of old, gay progressives.  I'll be the bad guy. I'll never let fear stop me from doing a dirty job.

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Let me blow his brains out. I'm not afraid of the condemnation of old, gay progressives.  I'll be the bad guy. I'll never let fear stop me from doing a dirty job.

You sound quite insane.

A potential murderer, in fact.

You're no better than the criminals we all despise.

I'd murder every child killer in the world.  Just sign me up. Paedophiles too.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 12:10pm: Let me blow his brains out. I'm not afraid of the condemnation of old, gay progressives.  I'll be the bad guy. I'll never let fear stop me from doing a dirty job. You sound quite insane. A potential murderer, in fact. You're no better than the criminals we all despise.

Then let us have truth in sentencing! Let us have justice in the penalties handed out!

Let's adopt a system like in the States - three strikes and you're out. An ascending scale of incarceration for repeat crimes against society and law.

Jill Meagher would be alive today if that filth who murdered her was justly sentenced and imprisoned for previous crimes. The Lindt Cafe incident would never have happened if the authorities did their job and locked the idiot up after the first few warning signals and offences.

On and on and on, the innocent suffer horrific fates because some soft-c0ck goes easy on sentencing and/or parole.

Let's re-introduce REAL penalties for the worst type of crimes. Actions have consequences, it's the real world out here.

How many atrocities could have been avoided if we had adopted the US policy of three strikes? Longer and longer sentences for recidivism?

20 years for the third GBH charge! Watch the numbers of repetitive assaults drop through the floor - except for those who can't be told or threatened. And they shouldn't be walking around in society, any way.

Carl Williams got the fate he deserved. As far as I'm concerned, there are other crimes committed against the innocent in our society that the perpetrators of such crimes deserve the same fate.

Give 'em 30 years in General Population - then at least they'll have the benefit of sentencing by a panel of their peers.  8-)

doesnt any body give a stuff that whilst you are arguing about whos right and whos wrong because none of you can change the LAW...children are being abused.. even murdered right before our eyes...

why are you not trying to find a solution that prevents these babies being brutalised..

instead we get the same old for and against bravado from those who think they are never wrong...

start another thread greg on death penalty... you can say the same thing over and over and call eac h other names to your hearts content..

I would hope you would have just a little respect for the title of this thread...and leave your nonsense aside....

some things hurt me.. like killing a defenseless child and shoving her little body  into a roof cavity like a piece of unwanted carpet...throw her away like all the rest of the mongrels that seem to get something out of doing something like this....cant you just for once talk about a system that is letting so many children down day after day...we have to find an answer for this...as this is getting worse and worse...

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

I'd murder every child killer in the world.  Just sign me up. Paedophiles too.

What if they're children, Homo?

cods wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/john-torney-charged-with-murdering-mildura-toddler-nikki-francis-coslovich/story-fnii5smt-1227501943637 ISIL isnt the only evil out there.. :'( :'(

This kind of thing makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand straight.

I wish I had 5 minutes in a room with this pr!ck.!

cods wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

start another thread greg on death penalty...

Don't blame me, cods.

Doubleplus, the potential murderer, started it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1440764037/7#7

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 4:06pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 12:10pm: Let me blow his brains out. I'm not afraid of the condemnation of old, gay progressives.  I'll be the bad guy. I'll never let fear stop me from doing a dirty job. You sound quite insane. A potential murderer, in fact. You're no better than the criminals we all despise. Then let us have truth in sentencing! Let us have justice in the penalties handed out!

Absolutely.  With you 100%.

double plus good wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty.

On that I agree ... I think they should leave the dad in a locked room to deal with him as he see's fit

whatever happens in that room stays in that room. If the dad decides to forgive him, so be it, if the dad skins him alive and then shoves it down his throat, so be it. If it were my kids, I know what I would do.

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:19am: Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty. On that I agree ... I think they should leave the dad in a locked room to deal with him as he see's fit whatever happens in that room stays in that room. If the dad decides to forgive him, so be it, if the dad skins him alive and then shoves it down his throat, so be it. If it were my kids, I know what I would do.

I agree.

Ajax wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:35pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:19am: Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty. On that I agree ... I think they should leave the dad in a locked room to deal with him as he see's fit whatever happens in that room stays in that room. If the dad decides to forgive him, so be it, if the dad skins him alive and then shoves it down his throat, so be it. If it were my kids, I know what I would do. I agree.

to many times these dickheads get off way to easy ... he'll get a sentence of 7 or 8 yrs, serve 5 with good behaviour and then be out to do it again ... in the meantime that little girl will never learn to dance, will never have her first kiss, will never finish school, will never marry, will never have her own kids ....

a life for a life

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:35pm: Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:19am: Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty. On that I agree ... I think they should leave the dad in a locked room to deal with him as he see's fit whatever happens in that room stays in that room. If the dad decides to forgive him, so be it, if the dad skins him alive and then shoves it down his throat, so be it. If it were my kids, I know what I would do. I agree. to many times these dickheads get off way to easy ... he'll get a sentence of 7 or 8 yrs, serve 5 with good behaviour and then be out to do it again ... in the meantime that little girl will never learn to dance, will never have her first kiss, will never finish school, will never marry, will never have her own kids .... a life for a life

There's no place in civilised society for the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners.

cods wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

why are you not trying to find a solution that prevents these babies being brutalised..

Why aren't we investigating the reasons this has become a common problem in society?

This is a relatively new societal problem, yes? Then where's the studies?

Nobody wants to acknowledge that it's akin to the 'lion' type of eating the young. In actual fact, nobody knows.

If we admit to a continuing fragmentation of what was once considered 'normal' society, what do we allow and then consider 'normal'.

Once upon a time, the recreational use of a few opioids over the weekend was acceptable. Now we have an ice epidemic and we struggle with the social costs.

Have a wander through your local low-rent shopping centre and then tell me that general societal standards are not degenerating.

So, who's to blame?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

This is a relatively new societal problem, yes?

I doubt it ... more commonly reported, sure, but I doubt it's new.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:39pm: Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:35pm: Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:34pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:19am: Sooner or later,  we as a society have to be willing to have an adult discussion about bringing back the death penalty. On that I agree ... I think they should leave the dad in a locked room to deal with him as he see's fit whatever happens in that room stays in that room. If the dad decides to forgive him, so be it, if the dad skins him alive and then shoves it down his throat, so be it. If it were my kids, I know what I would do. I agree. to many times these dickheads get off way to easy ... he'll get a sentence of 7 or 8 yrs, serve 5 with good behaviour and then be out to do it again ... in the meantime that little girl will never learn to dance, will never have her first kiss, will never finish school, will never marry, will never have her own kids .... a life for a life There's no place in civilised society for the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners.

on that we disagree.

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:49pm: This is a relatively new societal problem, yes? I doubt it ... more commonly reported, sure, but I doubt it's new.

Ooooh! Aware are we!

What, then, do you suggest we do about it?

Or are 'studies' and 'agendas' supposed to alleviate the problem? Is education on the agenda? Is it just an educational problem? Or is it more that that?

Or do we just live with it as a result of the dumbing-down of teenage parents and their limited prospects in the back-blocks of Western society?

Since when have we begun to excuse murder as a matter of convenience? Abortion aside. 

Once you've had kids, you've gotta pay for 'em. Even the Government knows that.  8-)

once again peccary trying to score points off a baby's life...

what a despicable piece of sheet...

how is this ***T allowed to keep posting on this forum..


FD... rid the forum of this despicable piece of dog turd...  >:(

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

once again peccary trying to score points off a baby's life... what a despicable piece of sheet... how is this ***T allowed to keep posting on this forum.. FD... rid the forum of this despicable piece of dog turd...  >:(

Why is what Greg is saying any more about 'scoring points' than all the people trying to make themselves feel better by describing the lengths they will go to for revenge?

In fact, one could argue that what Greg is saying is less about 'scoring points' than the chest-thumpers.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:12pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:49pm: This is a relatively new societal problem, yes? I doubt it ... more commonly reported, sure, but I doubt it's new. Ooooh! Aware are we! What, then, do you suggest we do about it? Or are 'studies' and 'agendas' supposed to alleviate the problem? Is education on the agenda? Is it just an educational problem? Or is it more that that? Or do we just live with it as a result of the dumbing-down of teenage parents and their limited prospects in the back-blocks of Western society? Since when have we begun to excuse murder as a matter of convenience? Abortion aside.  Once you've had kids, you've gotta pay for 'em. Even the Government knows that.  8-)

I've already told you what I think we should do about it


Johnsmith wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

I think they should leave the dad in a locked room to deal with him as he see's fit whatever happens in that room stays in that room. If the dad decides to forgive him, so be it, if the dad skins him alive and then shoves it down his throat, so be it. If it were my kids, I know what I would do.

What makes you think this is limited to Western Society and Who is excusing murder? And what's it got to do with paying for your kids?


You tripping tonight Lionel?

The point is, that access to a father's child was granted to a total stranger by the legal system.
Moreover, the father was DEMANDED to work to pay for access to a total stranger whilst his own access was limited. This is a very common occurrence.

I'm not saying that there are not circumstances where the natural father should have limited access, however, it is not the natural way of life and the system must be held responsible for this child's death. There are no ifs and buts, the system is responsible for intervening in the natural way of life. Period.

Amadd wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

The point is, that access to a father's child was granted to a total stranger by the legal system. Moreover, the father was DEMANDED to work to pay for access to a total stranger whilst his own access was limited. This is a very common occurrence. I'm not saying that there are not circumstances where the natural father should have limited access, however, it is not the natural way of life and the system must be held responsible for this child's death. There are no ifs and buts, the system is responsible for intervening in the natural way of life. Period.

Fair point, I think. I remain appalled that so many women seem to enter into these kinds of relationships, and then ignore the signs of injury to their own children that must be plain to them.

How many times have we read of children beaten time after time and showing signs of injuries from repetitive beating, before they are finally killed?

These 'mothers' must know this is going on - nobody is that stupid..... or are they?

As for a 'man' who does these things - 30 years in general population and named and shamed to the inmate community would serve, or maybe 'never to be released'.

Personal anecdote:-  There are no excuses for this kind of thing - there are studies etc around about what childhood abuse and neglect do to a person.  I did one of those tests with regard to my upbringing - and out of 10 possible 'ACE's for neglect and abuse - I scored 8.  At 4 out of 10 you should suffer serious long term physical issues (I do) and possibly a lot of other issues, including a predisposition to violence (I'm non-violent).

My children have never been hit or injured or neglected by a parent in their lives (I was - repeatedly - and even stabbed and nearly allowed to die of neglect at 13 - this is not a joke).

Sorry - there are no excuses like - "I had a hard life.. man." 

No Excuses - EVER!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 12:50am:

Amadd wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:38pm: The point is, that access to a father's child was granted to a total stranger by the legal system. Moreover, the father was DEMANDED to work to pay for access to a total stranger whilst his own access was limited. This is a very common occurrence. I'm not saying that there are not circumstances where the natural father should have limited access, however, it is not the natural way of life and the system must be held responsible for this child's death. There are no ifs and buts, the system is responsible for intervening in the natural way of life. Period. Fair point, I think. I remain appalled that so many women seem to enter into these kinds of relationships, and then ignore the signs of injury to their own children that must be plain to them. How many times have we read of children beaten time after time and showing signs of injuries from repetitive beating, before they are finally killed? These 'mothers' must know this is going on - nobody is that stupid..... or are they? As for a 'man' who does these things - 30 years in general population and named and shamed to the inmate community would serve, or maybe 'never to be released'. Personal anecdote:-  There are no excuses for this kind of thing - there are studies etc around about what childhood abuse and neglect do to a person.  I did one of those tests with regard to my upbringing - and out of 10 possible 'ACE's for neglect and abuse - I scored 8.  At 4 out of 10 you should suffer serious long term physical issues (I do) and possibly a lot of other issues, including a predisposition to violence (I'm non-violent). My children have never been hit or injured or neglected by a parent in their lives (I was - repeatedly - and even stabbed and nearly allowed to die of neglect at 13 - this is not a joke). Sorry - there are no excuses like - "I had a hard life.. man."  No Excuses - EVER!

No, there are no excuses.

I read the OP, even though i hesitated for fear of being horrified beyond my imagination.

I was not horrified beyond my imagination although it's from the Tele so i doubt it hard. Quite sure there is more to the story.

According to the article the father was concerned. I feel tremendously sorry for him. How impotent a person must feel when they know there is danger but their warnings are not being heard.

And how easy is it to blame welfare ... they were dealing with the situation but signed off on it weeks before the murder.

What we need is a welfare system that is not restricted by funding cuts and short falls. There are simply not enough case managers to go around. Those that are on the pay-roll are dedicated to the few red flags they can manage. I have a friend who is responsible for an entire region. She has, at her estimate, about 60 cases on her books. She is alone in dealing with them and has to drive long distances to see any of them at all.

It's not as easy as saying there are problems here, attend.

And kids end up dead and the already overstretched workers have to live with that.

This is about funding.

mothra wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 1:13am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 12:50am: Amadd wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 11:38pm: The point is, that access to a father's child was granted to a total stranger by the legal system. Moreover, the father was DEMANDED to work to pay for access to a total stranger whilst his own access was limited. This is a very common occurrence. I'm not saying that there are not circumstances where the natural father should have limited access, however, it is not the natural way of life and the system must be held responsible for this child's death. There are no ifs and buts, the system is responsible for intervening in the natural way of life. Period. Fair point, I think. I remain appalled that so many women seem to enter into these kinds of relationships, and then ignore the signs of injury to their own children that must be plain to them. How many times have we read of children beaten time after time and showing signs of injuries from repetitive beating, before they are finally killed? These 'mothers' must know this is going on - nobody is that stupid..... or are they? As for a 'man' who does these things - 30 years in general population and named and shamed to the inmate community would serve, or maybe 'never to be released'. Personal anecdote:-  There are no excuses for this kind of thing - there are studies etc around about what childhood abuse and neglect do to a person.  I did one of those tests with regard to my upbringing - and out of 10 possible 'ACE's for neglect and abuse - I scored 8.  At 4 out of 10 you should suffer serious long term physical issues (I do) and possibly a lot of other issues, including a predisposition to violence (I'm non-violent). My children have never been hit or injured or neglected by a parent in their lives (I was - repeatedly - and even stabbed and nearly allowed to die of neglect at 13 - this is not a joke). Sorry - there are no excuses like - "I had a hard life.. man."  No Excuses - EVER! No, there are no excuses. I read the OP, even though i hesitated for fear of being horrified beyond my imagination. I was not horrified beyond my imagination although it's from the Tele so i doubt it hard. Quite sure there is more to the story. According to the article the father was concerned. I feel tremendously sorry for him. How impotent a person must feel when they know there is danger but their warnings are not being heard. And how easy is it to blame welfare ... they were dealing with the situation but signed off on it weeks before the murder. What we need is a welfare system that is not restricted by funding cuts and short falls. There are simply not enough case managers to go around. Those that are on the pay-roll are dedicated to the few red flags they can manage. I have a friend who is responsible for an entire region. She has, at her estimate, about 60 cases on her books. She is alone in dealing with them and has to drive long distances to see any of them at all. It's not as easy as saying there are problems here, attend. And kids end up dead and the already overstretched workers have to live with that. This is about funding.

And the case worker, working alone, is often threatened and intimidated, and can end up a nervous wreck.

There must be a better way.

ADDS:-  I couldn't read the story... I turn off the news when these things come up, and wonder at the insanity of humanity.  What is more precious than your own children, who you would die for?

Indeed Grap. From what i've heard, burnout within 3 years is a standard.

ADDS:-  I couldn't read the story... I turn off the news when these things come up, and wonder at the insanity of humanity.  What is more precious than your own children, who you would die for?

I've read a few people through this thread couldn't read the OP for fear of being horrified. How we all turn this kind of news off before we can hear the full horror.

Yet we are so quick to blame the overstretched welfare agencies for failing to prevent the atrocities. Those who step up to the coal face day after day after day. Those who live with this horror and are more often than not powerless to do anything about it. How do you spot the most at need kids out of a case load of dozens?

It's just awful.

mothra wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 2:17am:

I've read a few people through this thread couldn't read the OP for fear of being horrified. How we all turn this kind of news off before we can hear the full horror. Yet we are so quick to blame the overstretched welfare agencies for failing to prevent the atrocities. Those who step up to the coal face day after day after day. Those who live with this horror and are more often than not powerless to do anything about it. How do you spot the most at need kids out of a case load of dozens? It's just awful.

Not sure if the word is 'horrified' for me.  I just don't want to go near that dark place in humanity, and it is like a dark maelstrom that drags you down.  I know it too well.  I'd take all those kids in if I could.

I'm old - I think I've seen the worst in humanity - enough to last me for a while anyway.  I know the signs of incoming PTSD episodes, and I stay away - self preservation.  I don't want to go there, and I won't wallow in it like some.

Maybe horrified is the wrong word Grap. I didn't want to read the link because i didn't want to be hurt beyond the hurt that came with just getting the gist.

This is why i have tremendous amounts of respect for welfare workers. I've a few friends that fit that job description. They do it real tough.

I'm lucky. I work with people in a less interventionary capacity but i work with people all the same. It's hard listening to people talk about, shall we say, less than ideal circumstances and having no recourse. It gets to you.

In this instance, there just weren't enough workers to follow up the serious claims made. It's a common cry.

We need to put more funding into this. We need to support our workers in this field better. More funding, all over.

Some would label that 'welfare' and thus somehow a burden and malleable to suit whatever budget and 'end justifies the means' approach - a few 'lowest class' children killed is 'acceptable casualties' for the best benefit of all.......

Sure it is.....

We've traded leadership for popularity.  We've traded city elders for celebrities. Man up Australians;  let's get this country back on track. Ideals are for an ideal world. Instead let's go back to good ole common sense. Execute killers and rapists, turn back the people smuggling vessels,  export the terrorists and extremists. Let's promote the good; let's eradicate the bad. It's quite simple,  really.

double plus good wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Execute killers and rapists ...

Lower ourselves to their level?

No thanks.

Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens.

It would make us no better than them.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 2:07am:

ADDS:-  I couldn't read the story... I turn off the news when these things come up, and wonder at the insanity of humanity.  What is more precious than your own children, who you would die for?

IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS...


please people READ THE OP....

you care about children..

THEN SHOW THEM

READ THE OP...


this is what is happening all over our beautiful country..

decent people saying I CANT READ OR LISTEN TO THAT IT BOTHERS ME..

thats right its all about ME

how I feel .. :( :( :(

WRONG GOOD PEOPLE WRONG...

you must read it.. we cannot pretend this isnt happening day in day out..

we will get a coroners report on this little mite...telling us how she died..
'
' but we wont get her life before she died will we>??? nio that would be even more horrific..

like most of these babies... the killing is the final straw in their horrific existence...

we know a govt agency has been involved.. s o we know things were not good for that child...

did you know the govt agency had closed this case 5 weeks prior to her death.???>.


Quote:

A Department of Health and Human Services insider claimed on Friday that the toddler’s file had been closed, despite the continuing concerns of those working with her and the fears of her father, Nick Coslovich. “Her file was closed five weeks ago and marked ‘no longer at significant risk’,” the source said.

we have a broken system... we spend zillions on foreign aid..more on climate change that will never stop....and yet we sit by and watch this unfolding every few weeks...and a childs life is torn apart shredded in fact by people who should never be allowed to have a dog let a lone a child...

what sickness is out their that is seemingly breaking down society to the point.. where decent people..

TURN AWAY FROM THIS STORY LIKE THEY HAVE MANY MANY MORE...AND THE GO ON WITH THEIR DAY AS IF IT ISNT STILL HAPPENING...

if you read this story it might make you do something .... it might help you make a NOISE that you wont stand by and watch any other child go through what little Nikki did..

did you see or I should say hear the NOISE made about light sentencing for KING HITS.. that killed innocent people.. guess what after a lot of NOISE something was done about it....and they even changed the licencing hours to combat what is a very bad sign of our society cracking..


well how can we shut up about this..

it isnt about what sentence someone gets..

this is about more funding for these dept...more caution more ,long term intervention...... maybe even more volunteers people that go to these homes every day for years...

who in their right mind thinks a 2 year old is safe in a home that everyone knows is dysfunctional...

she has no voice...she should be watched for about 5 years....its the penalty they must wear....they broke societies rules.....if you cant love and care for this child.. then give them to someone who can...

Wrong. Killers and rapists deserve it. Their victims didn't.  Wrong. Big difference. Wrong. We'd still be much better than them. Try and keep up.

double plus good wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Wrong. Killers and rapists deserve it. Their victims didn't.  Wrong. Big difference. Wrong. We'd still be much better than them. Try and keep up.

whos side are you on?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 6:54pm: start another thread greg on death penalty... Don't blame me, cods. Doubleplus, the potential murderer, started it. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1440764037/7#7

once again the disgusting pecca uses the death of an innocent baby girl to troll the forum...

what a piece of sheet...

how long does this forum have to put up with such an asshole...??  >:(

double plus good wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Wrong. Killers and rapists deserve it. Their victims didn't.  Wrong. Big difference. Wrong. We'd still be much better than them. Try and keep up.

That's merely our subjective view.  I don't like killers and rapists but, then again, they think we are arseholes. 

And, you say killers deserve it yet, you say you have no problem with being a killer yourself.

You really are quite confused, aren't you?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 7:29pm: cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 6:54pm: start another thread greg on death penalty... Don't blame me, cods. Doubleplus, the potential murderer, started it. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1440764037/7#7 once again the disgusting pecca uses the death of an innocent baby girl to troll the forum... what a piece of sheet... how long does this forum have to put up with such an asshole...??  >:(

Doubleplus changed the subject to capital punishment ... not me.

Try to keep up.

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Wrong. Killers and rapists deserve it. Their victims didn't.  Wrong. Big difference. Wrong. We'd still be much better than them. Try and keep up. whos side are you on?

The side of killers, obviously.

He's admitted that he is willing to commit murder himself.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 7:36am:

cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:46pm: double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Wrong. Killers and rapists deserve it. Their victims didn't.  Wrong. Big difference. Wrong. We'd still be much better than them. Try and keep up. whos side are you on? The side of killers, obviously. He's admitted that he is willing to commit murder himself.

greg every knows the twisting of words only makes things worse... we all know you think you are mother Therese and sadly your not.. and all this back and forward with the same opinions doesnt change anything...no one really cares if you are for or against the death penalty... as we are never asked...

the laws are made and no matter how much someone stands on their soap boxes the law will remain so stop getting excited...

I would rather talk about fixing a broken system.. that MAY because it is so GOOD .. PREVENT OTHER BABIES DYING.... you are on about what you would or wouldnt do.. after the bastard has done his worst...

I am about preventing it from going that far....

we have to do better we have to demand better...even I would go and check on a baby in danger and not want paying for it....I would turn cartwheels if I could...

all we have is a voice to make a NOISE...

the prevention system is weak.. it is woeful.....

our children are at so much risk.. every day... we would make more noise if this was animals being killed left right and centre....

the media is not even allowed to talk about it...show a face....are we trying to cover this up????>.... :'(

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:00am: Execute killers and rapists ... Lower ourselves to their level? No thanks. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens. It would make us no better than them.

Excuse me .... anyone capable of doing what this scumbag has done forfeits all rights as a citizen or to be called a citizen. The mother as well for being accessory to the fact.

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 8:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:25am: double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:00am: Execute killers and rapists ... Lower ourselves to their level? No thanks. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens. It would make us no better than them. Excuse me .... anyone capable of doing what this scumbag has done forfeits all rights as a citizen or to be called a citizen. The mother as well for being accessory to the fact.

Yes, we all may feel that way, but that's not how it works.

Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens/prisoners/inhabitants.

We're better than the criminals.

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 8:24am:

greg every knows the twisting of words only makes things worse...

No twisting.

"I'd murder every child killer in the world." 

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1440764037/19#19

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 9:12am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 8:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:25am: double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:00am: Execute killers and rapists ... Lower ourselves to their level? No thanks. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens. It would make us no better than them. Excuse me .... anyone capable of doing what this scumbag has done forfeits all rights as a citizen or to be called a citizen. The mother as well for being accessory to the fact. Yes, we all may feel that way, but that's not how it works. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens/prisoners/inhabitants. We're better than the criminals.

No we're not ..... we're criminal in having a system that allows for early releases of these scum who often re-offend & thus perpetuate the abuse by failing to protect the innocent.

That's criminal & no amount of sugar coated, sanctimonious rhetoric will ever justify it.

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 12:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 9:12am: Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 8:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:25am: double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:00am: Execute killers and rapists ... Lower ourselves to their level? No thanks. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens. It would make us no better than them. Excuse me .... anyone capable of doing what this scumbag has done forfeits all rights as a citizen or to be called a citizen. The mother as well for being accessory to the fact. Yes, we all may feel that way, but that's not how it works. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens/prisoners/inhabitants. We're better than the criminals. ..... we're criminal in having a system that allows for early releases of these scum who often re-offend & thus perpetuate the abuse by failing to protect the innocent.

Agreed.

No need to make it worse by using premeditated killing on our prisoners.

Only if it was state sanctioned, Pecker.  You are so thick.

double plus good wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 2:30pm:

Only if it was state sanctioned, Pecker.

State-sanctioned or not, reasonable (civilised) people don't plan to kill other people who are incarcerated.

Boo-hoo, Pecker thinks I'm not reasonable nor civilised. I'm stung!

cods wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/john-torney-charged-with-murdering-mildura-toddler-nikki-francis-coslovich/story-fnii5smt-1227501943637 ISIL isnt the only evil out there.. :'( :'(

Sadly true

Gnads wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 8:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:25am: double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:00am: Execute killers and rapists ... Lower ourselves to their level? No thanks. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens. It would make us no better than them. Excuse me .... anyone capable of doing what this scumbag has done forfeits all rights as a citizen or to be called a citizen. The mother as well for being accessory to the fact.

yep throw them in jail and throw away the key..

it wont stop the next child being murdered... :(

cods wrote on Sep 1^st, 2015 at 10:53am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 8:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:25am: double plus good wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:00am: Execute killers and rapists ... Lower ourselves to their level? No thanks. Civiliised, reasonable people do not support any kind of state-sanctioned premeditated killing of its citizens. It would make us no better than them. Excuse me .... anyone capable of doing what this scumbag has done forfeits all rights as a citizen or to be called a citizen. The mother as well for being accessory to the fact. yep throw them in jail and throw away the key.. it wont stop the next child being murdered... :(

You can't easily prevent such crimes, but the same is true of all crimes. We can minimise but not eliminate.