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Title: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:57am

The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-cruel God

Stratos wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Yeah, God commanded the Israelites, to do all the things which God hated.

You said that God hated the following things:

Yadda wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.

But that is exactly what God commanded the Israelites to do on multiple occasions. Who is more weak or innocent than a baby?

Quote:

Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

By the same token, what did those animals do to deserve anything?

Stratos,

OK, i'll play.

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RESPONSE

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Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

Stratos,

The God of the ancient Israelites clearly hated the people of those nations.

I would offer, that your argument might go along the lines of;

'The God presented in the Old Testament, the God of the ancient Israelites, is a stupid and very cruel God, for commanding Israel to annihilate all of the people of all of the nations of the land of Canaan. And even if those nations were full of murderers, did their women and children deserve to be slaughtered too?'

QUESTION;
Scenario;
A sheep farmer discovers the lair of wolves that have been destroying his sheep.

Is the farmer going to shoot and destroy only the adult wolves, and allow the whelps to live [and perhaps care for, and feed the wolf whelps, until they attain adulthood] ?

No, i don't think so.

The farmer is going to kill the adult wolves along with the whelps.

Why so ?????

Because, a wolf is a wolf.

A wolf, has the nature, of a wolf.

It is a predator.

I suggest a 'comeback' line;

'But Yadda the people of those nations were not animals !'

No they were not.

They were human beings.

But the God of the ancient Israelites had determined that their evil and wickedness was so pervasive, that all of them needed to perish.

Harsh ?

Yes.

But was it justified ?

Righteous ?

The God of the ancient Israelites clearly thought that it was.

MORE.....

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:59am

CONTINUED FROM LAST POST.....

BUT NOW, LETS CONTINUE ON;

Let us compare the ancient peoples, who God commanded Israel to destroy, ....WITH MOSLEMS WHO ARE LIVING AMONG US TODAY!

What are the peoples of Western nations facing, in allowing moslems to live among us ?

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EXAMPLE #1,

Watch the YouTube, and extrapolate the consequences for a non-moslem society, in 5-10 years, of tolerating the presence in our society of persons like this!

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Muslim Scum Caught On Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYj_IJ70sBA

EXAMPLE #2,

Watch the YouTube, and extrapolate the consequences for a non-moslem society, in 20 years, of tolerating the presence in our society of persons like this!

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#ISIS child trained to behead Teddy bear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTeqbUobp0

EXAMPLE #3,

Just look, at the effect of the influence of ISLAM's philosophy of hatred for non-moslems, in the homes of moslems;

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IMAGE...

Quote:

February 18, 2008
UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love"

......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.

"America kill," said the boy.

"Who else you kill?" said Khan.

"Bush I kill," said the boy.

"And who else?" demanded Khan.

"Blair kill, both people kill."

"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.

"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.

Then the pair began chanting at each other.

Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."

Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml

EXAMPLE #4,

IMAGE....

Aqsa Mahmood - the pretty moslem medical student, from the UK.

That young moslem woman chose to abandon her medical studies in the UK.

And chose to travel to Syria/Iraq, so that she could supervise the rape [by moslems men] of kidnapped Yazidi women.

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women.

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood, "said she wanted to behead Christians with a “blunt knife”."

Quote:

Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165

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Stratos, here is my argument;

If members of Christian groups were discovered to be behaving in a comparable manner to those moslems [above], the humanist camp in Australia would be calling for Christianity to be outlawed in Australia!!!

Stratos,

IMO, you and yours, ARE JUST BIG FAT HYPOCRITES.

Dictionary;
malice aforethought = = the intention to kill or harm, held to distinguish unlawful killing from murder.

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

All moslems are the 'products' of a philosophy called ISLAM.

All moslems are creatures of ISLAM.

And imo, all moslems are monsters in human form.

How do i justify such an accusation ?

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Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421158879/6#6

see also.....

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:59am

Stratos wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Yeah, God commanded the Israelites, to do all the things which God hated.

You said that God hated the following things:

Yadda wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.

But that is exactly what God commanded the Israelites to do on multiple occasions. Who is more weak or innocent than a baby?

Quote:

Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey

By the same token, what did those animals do to deserve anything?

Stratos,

I would offer, that your argument might go along the lines of;

"Ah, but even if we presuppose, that all of the people those nations were all/mostly murderers, we can clearly see [by what the God of the Israelites commanded] that the God of the Israelites is no better than, the murderers in those nations!"

Stratos,

I would argue that such a conclusion would be wrong!

Why so ?

Well, let us examine some of the laws of God, which had been set up to govern those very same Israelites.

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As the bible itself testifies;

The ancient Hebrews had no sanction from their God, to murder or to harm, those who were not Hebrews.

The ancient Hebrews had no sanction from their God, to oppress or to harm people, because they were Gentiles.

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Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

Stratos,

I would argue that the demonstrated and clear intent of such laws [above] [laws which were being imposed upon the Israelites, by the God of the Israelites], would tend to create a society which warmly accepted, and treated as equals, before the law, even peoples who were not Hebrews/Israelites.

Deuteronomy 4:6
Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

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Hey Stratos, people like you, people who hold the views which people like you hold, NEED TO REPENT, to the spirit of God.

It is easy, you just say something like this, in your heart;
"Dear God, my creator, i am sorry for all of the mistakes, and for all of the poor choices that i have made in my life. Please, please forgive me! I want to be guided by YOUR loving, nuturing spirit. Please help me."

Hey Stratos, what was Jesus message to the world, to all men ?

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:...

This, was also Jesus message to all men --------- >

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.

Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/0#0

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:47am

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

A sheep farmer discovers the lair of wolves that have been destroying his sheep.

Is the farmer going to shoot and destroy only the adult wolves, and allow the whelps to live [and perhaps care for, and feed the wolf whelps, until they attain adulthood] ?

No, i don't think so.

The farmer is going to kill the adult wolves along with the whelps.

I agree, but there is a fundamental difference between a human being and a wolf (fox, bear, croc, pick it)

To say it is the same to kill a group of harmful animals is very different than murdering a baby I'm sure you will agree is not the same. I mean, if the same farmer found a family killing his sheep, would he be justified to kill them all? of course not.

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

A wolf, has the nature, of a wolf.

It is a predator.

Tabula rasa Yadda. Are you suggesting that certain babies are born evil with no chance of not being evil? Some babies grow up to be perfectly normal human beings, and others grow up to be murderers, and I highly doubt it has anything to do with their genetics, and even less to do with their parents ethnicity like the passage I linked.

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

But was it justified ?

Righteous ?

The God of the ancient Israelites clearly thought that it was.

I imagine in certain circumstances it would be necessary in war to kill an opposing force. That is pretty much the nature of the beast. I cannot see any reason however to murder civilians, especially infants (or animals, that doesn't even make military sense, let alone common sense)

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

If members of Christian groups were discovered to be behaving in a comparable manner to those moslems [above], the humanist camp in Australia would be calling for Christianity to be outlawed in Australia!

There have been horrible atrocities committed by various Christian sects for much of Australia's history, including the facilitation and systematic protection of pedophiles. I don't call for the Catholics to be banned, because that isn't what the majority of Catholics are like. Those who do the crime should be punished severely regardless of what their religious background is, but I have no problem with people who want to follow a religion, even if I personally think their beliefs are unfounded.

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Hey Stratos, people like you, people who hold the views which people like you hold, NEED TO REPENT, to the spirit of God.

You really think i've never seen the sinner's prayer before? ;D

Again, this really comes down to the fact that you think that under certain circumstances, it is acceptable to comitt such acts as genocide, and infanticide.

Also, why on earth did the animals need to be wiped out?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:30pm

Stratos wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

I agree, but there is a fundamental difference between a human being and a wolf (fox, bear, croc, pick it)

To say it is the same to kill a group of harmful animals is very different than murdering a baby I'm sure you will agree is not the same.

I mean, if the same farmer found a family killing his sheep, would he be justified to kill them all? of course not.

A slight change in the context of your senario;

If the same farmer found a family killing his ~~sheep~~ children [or found that the family intended to kill his children], and in the absence of a structure of lawful protection [i.e. a functioning justice system, with an enforcement arm, i.e. effectively, living in a lawless 'environment'], would the farmer be justified to kill them all?

Stratos,

I believe that my response/answer would be different to yours.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:44pm

Stratos wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

There have been horrible atrocities committed by various Christian sects for much of Australia's history, including the facilitation and systematic protection of pedophiles.

I don't call for the Catholics to be banned,

because that isn't what the majority of Catholics are like.

I'm glad to hear it. !!!!

Because although some/many members of the Catholic clergy appear to have systematically protected pedophile priests among their ranks, NEVERTHELESS, neither Christian doctrine, nor the doctrines of the Catholic church, have ever sanctioned or allowed such abuse of children [abuse that has been conducted by some Christian priests/clergy].

Stratos wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Those who do the crime should be punished severely regardless of what their religious background is, but I have no problem with people who want to follow a religion, even if I personally think their beliefs are unfounded.

No contest.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

Stratos wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Also, why on earth did the animals need to be wiped out?

There is a reason.

Search it out.

There is an reason, which seems apparent to me, if you have studied the 1st 5 books of the bible.

Myself, i am assuming that their death was required [and commanded], because of their status, due to the conduct of their [previous] owners.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:06am

Stratos wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

So Stratos,

You are prepared to rightly censure and condemn members of Christian churches, who have systematically protected pedophile priests among their ranks [.....while fully knowing that the sexual abuse of young children is NOT sanctioned by Christian doctrine].

But Stratos, what is your status regarding ISLAM being practised within a nation like Australia ???

Are you among the ranks of apologists, excusing 'peaceful' moslems ?

While being members of [i.e. supporting!] what is at its core, a deceitful, vicious and violent 'religious' philosophy ???

And are you one of those people who is willing to tolerate the presence and the practise of ISLAM, here within Australia ???

When full well, you know that ---------- >

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Stratos,

Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine allows/agrees;

ALL non-moslems ['disbelievers'] are 'guilty' people.
And that it is 'lawful' for a moslem to kill those, who do not believe, as they [moslems] believe.

e.g.

Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Stratos, do you disallow the validity of my argument, made here ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

Quote:

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:20am

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

Myself, i am assuming that their death was required [and commanded], because of their status, due to the conduct of their [previous] owners.

This right here is nuts.
Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

But Stratos, what is your status regarding ISLAM being practised within a nation like Australia ???

Are you among the ranks of apologists, excusing 'peaceful' moslems ?

While being members of [i.e. supporting!] what is at its core, a deceitful, vicious and violent 'religious' philosophy ?

Religion is a buffet Yadda. Not everyone is devout, not everyone is a fundamentalist, and not everyone ascribes to the cartoonish villain you seem to think being a Muslim necessitates. Most people just have their own beliefs and go on their own way and live their lives.

I could easily use scripture to say that Christians support slavery, that Jews support racism, but this has almost zero correlation with reality in which these beliefs are treated with the contempt they deserve, and in the same way that pretty much every Muslim I have ever met treats the sociopaths like suicide bombers.

Also most Christians don't seem to agree with your stance that genocide is ok, and murdering babies is a good thing. See where fundamentalism gets us? Nowhere.

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:30pm:

If the same farmer found a family killing his sheep children [or found that the family intended to kill his children], and in the absence of a structure of lawful protection [i.e. a functioning justice system, with an enforcement arm, i.e. effectively, living in a lawless 'environment'], would the farmer be justified to kill them all?

You have completely changed your argument into something completely different.

I gotta ask Yadda, if this fantasy scenario actually happened, would you be perfectly ok with murdering the entire family, including infants and then their pets for good measure? Because that is basically what you are saying

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:51am

Stratos wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

......Christians don't seem to agree with your stance that genocide is ok, and murdering babies is a good thing.

That's a leap! >:(

Stratos wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2015 at 11:30pm:

If the same farmer found a family killing his ~~sheep~~ children [or found that the family intended to kill his children], and in the absence of a structure of lawful protection [i.e. a functioning justice system, with an enforcement arm, i.e. effectively, living in a lawless 'environment'], would the farmer be justified to kill them all?

You have completely changed your argument into something completely different.

No.

Lets review....

I was initially comparing the consequence of WOLVES killing a farmers SHEEP [animal, animal]

Then you substituted, a FAMILY killing a farmers SHEEP [completely changing the stress of the consequence, in the scenario [persons, animals]

Then i inserted, what if the farmer learned/knew that a FAMILY intended killing the farmers CHILDREN [persons, persons]

Stratos wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

I gotta ask Yadda, if this fantasy scenario actually happened, would you be perfectly ok with murdering the entire family, including infants and then their pets for good measure? Because that is basically what you are saying

I'm not God.

And what 'fantasy scenario' precisely, are you offering up to me ?

as i said previously.....

Quote:

......the God of the ancient Israelites had determined that their evil and wickedness was so pervasive, that all of them needed to perish.

Harsh ?

Yes.

But was it justified ?

Was it righteous ?

The God of the ancient Israelites clearly thought that it was.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:54am

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

That's a leap!

You said that your God thinks it is just. Do you agree with that?

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Then you substituted, a FAMILY killing a farmers SHEEP

my bad, I misread :P

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:03am

Stratos wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

That's a leap!

You said that your God thinks it is just.

Do you agree with that?

Stratos,

You are ascribing, that if i create something, then i should not have a right to destroy that created thing.

I do not agree, with such a proposition.

If we [mankind] are created beings, who were created by our God creator, then i judge that HE has the right to destroy us [for whatever reason] [and has the right to use whatever means that he chooses, to accomplish that end] .

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

I'm going to play devil's advocate

I don't know but I have a theory which could be the reason Canaan (humans and animals had to be totally obliterated)

The Canaanites rampantly practiced incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality.

Just looking at one of these perversions (bestiality) I imagine that Canaan was riddled with cross species viruses. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the entire population of Canaan were carriers of self created, incurable (6000 years ago), cross virus diseases like syphilis influenza etc etc. etc..

The extract below is from a a Gov site

Cross-Species Virus Transmission and the Emergence of New Epidemic Diseases SOURCES OF NEW EPIDEMIC VIRUSES IN HUMANS AND OTHER ANIMALS

The major sources of new human viral diseases are enzootic and epizootic viruses of animals (149). We likely know only a small fraction of the viruses infecting wild or even domesticated animals (16, 18, 112, 139). The risks of such unrecognized viruses are highlighted by the emergence of SARS coronavirus (CoV), hantaviruses, Ebola and Marburg viruses, Nipah virus, Hendra virus, and human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) and HIV-2, all cross-species host switches of established enzootic viruses that were unknown before their emergences into humans (40, 143, 145).

Today when we have outbreaks of cross species diseases, Govts around the globe carry out a mass extermination of the animals responsible.

Avian influenza, swine influenza a couple of examples.

Human beings have to be quarantined.

So maybe there was a higher purpose, the Bible says the Canaanites had become so filthy and depraved the earth had to vomit them out.

It was no good talking to the Ancient people about viruses and cross transmission, which we all understand today, these were Ancient illiterate simplistic people at the beginnings of the civilization we know today.

So the entire Canaan population (animal and human) had to be destroyed to save mankind.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 4:25pm

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

The Canaanites rampantly practiced incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality.

Do you have any evidence for these claims?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by gandalf on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

I don't have a problem with God deciding to destroy his own creation - whenever and wherever He chooses.

What I can't reconcile with is having men do His "dirty work" for him - as was the case with the Biblical canaanites.

Slaughtering babies to "prove" yourself in the eyes of God just doesn't cut it for me.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Stratos wrote:

Quote:

Do you have any evidence for these claims?

It's all in Leviticus, the favourite of the Anti Christian brigade, Stratos

The below findings tells us about Canaan depravity and it's religious roots

Incest. Like all Ancient Near East (ANE) pantheons, the Canaanite pantheon was incestuous. Baal has sex with his mother Asherah,6 his sister Anat, and his daughter Pidray,7 and none of this is presented pejoratively.

Although early Canaanite laws proscribed either death or banishment for most forms of incest, after the fourteenth century BC, the penalties were reduced to no more than the payment of a fine.8 In the larger ANE context, it is helpful to consider that in an Egyptian dream book dreams of having sex with your mother or your sister were considered good omens.9

Adultery. Canaanite religion, like that of all of the ANE, was a fertility religion that involved temple sex. Inanna/Ishtar, also known as the Queen of Heaven, “became the woman among the gods, patron of eroticism and sensuality, of conjugal love as well as adultery, of brides and prostitutes, transvestites and pederasts.”10 As University of Helsinki professor Martti Nissinen writes, “Sexual contact with a person whose whole life was devoted to the goddess was tantamount to union with the goddess herself.”11

The Canaanites even remake the God of the Bible, El, after their own image and portray Him ceremonially as having sex with two women (or goddesses). The ceremony ends with directions: “To be repeated five times by the company and the singers of the assembly.”12 About this John Gray comments, “We may well suppose that this activity of El was sacramentally experienced by the community in the sexual orgies of the fertility cult which the Hebrew prophets so vehemently denounced.”13

Child sacrifice. Molech was a Canaanite underworld deity14 represented as an upright, bullheaded idol with a human body in whose belly a fire was stoked and in whose outstretched arms a child was placed that would be burned to death. The victims were not only infants; children as old as four were sacrificed.15 Kleitarchos reported that “as the flame burning the child surrounded the body, the limbs would shrivel up and the mouth would appear to grin as if laughing, until it was shrunk enough to slip into the cauldron.”16

Homosexuality. No ANE text condemns homosexuality. Additionally, some ANE manuscripts talk about “party-boys and festival people who changed their masculinity into femininity to make the people of Ishtar revere her.”17

Let us also remember that the problem with the Canaanite city of Sodom wasn’t just sex among consenting adults: the men of Sodom, both young and old, tried to rape the visitors (Gen. 19:5).

Bestiality. Probably the ultimate sexual depravity is intercourse with animals. Hittite Laws: 199 states, “If anyone has intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man has intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment.”18 As with incest, the penalty for having sex with animals decreased about the fourteenth century BC.19

There should be no surprise that bestiality would occur among the Canaanites, since their gods practiced it. From the Canaanite epic poem “The Baal Cycle” we learn: “Mightiest Baal hears / He makes love with a heifer in the outback / A cow in the field of Death’s Realm. / He lies with her seventy times seven / Mounts eighty times eight / [She conceiv]es and bears a boy.”20

There were absolutely no prohibitions against bestiality in the rest of the ANE.21 In fact, in an Egyptian dream book it was a bad omen for a woman to dream about embracing her husband, but good things would happen if she dreamed of intercourse with a baboon, wolf, or he-goat.22 In short, their sexual fantasies involved everything that breathes.

Or go here for a description of the Canaanites depravities

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

Gandalf wrote

Quote:

You must be worried sick when muslims kill innocent men women and children because islam/muhammad/allah tell them to do allah's dirty work as a test

qur'an 9.14:Fight against them so that allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

quran47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been allah's will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself); but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

It's all in Leviticus, the favourite of the Anti Christian brigade, Stratos

Do you really think that best place for info on a culture that got completely wiped out is the group that committed the genocide?

That would be like asking the Third Reich for a history of the Jewish people, or a Turk about the history of the Armenians.

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

The below findings tells us about Canaan depravity and it's religious roots

Actually discussing the Amalekites here, not the Canaanites.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by gandalf on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 7:06pm

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Gandalf wrote

Quote:

Good comparison moses. Now see if you can spot the difference:

9:12 - provides the context for 9:14

Quote:

And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief

47:4 - clearly referring to a battlefield situation.

compared to...

1 Samuel 15:2-3:

Quote:

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys

Can you see the difference moses?

One orders muslims to fight the leaders of those who break treaties,
The other specifically orders the indiscriminate slaughter of women children and babies

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:14pm

moses,

Thank you, for your contribution to the posts in this thread.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

On the killing of NON-COMBATANTS.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251160915/0#0

Quote:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 24^th, 2009 at 12:56pm:

Grendel said,
[quote]
Under Islam becoming a martyr by killing innocents is acceptable under Christianity killing innocents is not.

This simply isn't true. Islam specifically forbids killing of non-combatants. Muhammad (pbuh) clearly forbade it in his sayings.

IS THAT STATEMENT [above] TRUE?

.....
.....

"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." "
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.256

[/quote]

Here [above], clearly, Mohammed expressed no care, whatsoever, for the 'welfare', or safety, of non-combatants [women and children, who were non-moslems].

.

The Hadith declare,

"During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.257

AND,

"During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.258

On the face of it, "...Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children."

But those verses do not infer, or reveal, the motive/reason, for that 'prohibition'.

I suggest that we should seek out those motives!

.

I will suggest that the 'care' Mohammed expressed for the 'welfare' of non-combatants [who were non-moslems], was a 'care' extended for the purpose of, and related specifically to, their material worth [ALIVE] as booty.

i.e.
Dead non-moslem, non-combatants [women and children] are, war booty, ....LOST.

A further verse in the Hadith, makes clear the fate of [women and children] 'non-combatants', after the wholesale surrender of a particular community, which Mohammed and his henchmen besieged,

"......Sa'd said, "So I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed and their women and children should be taken as captives." [i.e. war booty] The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment." "
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/074.sbt.html#008.074.278

N.B. And this was no community [full] of 'warriors', as is suggested above.

This was a [wealthy] Jewish community of, mostly, metal workers, artisans, and goldsmiths.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

The victims here, were not 'babies'.

-------- >

So we must assume that these students, MURDERED BY ISLAMISTS IN PAKISTAN did not qualify as innocents, in the eyes of ISLAM's God.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/taliban-gunmen-attack-military-run-school-in-peshawar/5971484

Quote:

At least 126 people have been killed and 122 injured in an attack by Taliban militants on a Pakistani high school.

More than 100 of the dead were school children,

director of information for the chief minister's secretariat Bahramand Khan said, adding that the death toll could rise.

Hundreds of students and teachers were taken hostage in the bloodiest insurgent attack in the country in years.

Simply horrific.

< --------------
That was gandalf the secularist speaking.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 17^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Sorry, I must be still missing it. I'll just clarify my position (again), and hopefully it will answer whatever you want answered:
- I support secularism
- I support democracy
- I oppose dictatorships

Opposing dictatorships means all dictatorships - whether they be secular or religious. Saying I support secularism doesn't mean I support secular dictators - Clear?

.

HEY!!!!!! ....EVERYONE!

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith!",

.....except, when it isn't!

e.g.
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

And respected moslem scholars.

Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:06pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

I will suggest that the 'care' Mohammed expressed for the 'welfare' of non-combatants [who were non-moslems], was a 'care' extended for the purpose of, and related specifically to, their material worth [ALIVE] as booty.

How is this different to your belief, considering your holy scriptures and the God you worship also clearly has no care for the welfare of non-combatants?

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

"......Sa'd said, "So I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed and their women and children should be taken as captives." [i.e. war booty] The Prophet said, "You have judged according to the King's (Allah's) judgment." "

According to the Old Testament, the Israelites did this too.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:37pm

Stratos wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

How is this different to your belief, considering your holy scriptures and the God you worship also clearly has no care for the welfare of non-combatants?

Stratos,

That is correct.

My God says, that he makes no distinction between the unrighteous person who is a non-combatant, and the unrighteous person who is a combatant.

My God is an 'equal opportunity' judge of those that he deems to be unrighteous persons, and to be the children of SATAN.

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

See!!!!

My God is an 'equal opportunity' judge of those that he deems to be unrighteous persons.

--------- >

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

When he includes 'the fearful' in Revelation 21:7, Jesus is talking about those who are moral COWARDS.

Those who refuse to defend truth and righteousness, ....but especially, those who refuse to defend truth.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 18:37
.....Jesus answered,.....To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Stratos wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

According to the Old Testament, the Israelites did this too.

Stratos,

That is correct.

Sort of.

And sort of, .....not.

Deuteronomy 21:10
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

Stratos wrote:

Quote:

Well it appears that people are quiet prepared to accept as fact the Biblical narrative that Y.H.W.H. told the Jews to slaughter all animals and humans. Why would the rest of the chronicle not be recognised as a given?

Quote:

Actually discussing the Amalekites here, not the Canaanites.

Oh I don't know about that I can see Canaanites every where

Incest. Like all Ancient Near East (ANE) pantheons, the Canaanite pantheon was incestuous. Baal has sex with his mother Asherah,6 his sister Anat, and his daughter Pidray,7 and none of this is presented pejoratively.

Although early Canaanite laws proscribed either death or banishment for most forms of incest, after the fourteenth century BC, the penalties were reduced to no more than the payment of a fine.8 In the larger ANE context, it is helpful to consider that in an Egyptian dream book dreams of having sex with your mother or your sister were considered good omens.9

Adultery. Canaanite religion, like that of all of the ANE, was a fertility religion that involved temple sex. Inanna/Ishtar, also known as the Queen of Heaven, “became the woman among the gods, patron of eroticism and sensuality, of conjugal love as well as adultery, of brides and prostitutes, transvestites and pederasts.”10 As University of Helsinki professor Martti Nissinen writes, “Sexual contact with a person whose whole life was devoted to the goddess was tantamount to union with the goddess herself.”11

The Canaanites even remake the God of the Bible, El, after their own image and portray Him ceremonially as having sex with two women (or goddesses). The ceremony ends with directions: “To be repeated five times by the company and the singers of the assembly.”12 About this John Gray comments, “We may well suppose that this activity of El was sacramentally experienced by the community in the sexual orgies of the fertility cult which the Hebrew prophets so vehemently denounced.”13

Child sacrifice. Molech was a Canaanite underworld deity14 represented as an upright, bullheaded idol with a human body in whose belly a fire was stoked and in whose outstretched arms a child was placed that would be burned to death. The victims were not only infants; children as old as four were sacrificed.15 Kleitarchos reported that “as the flame burning the child surrounded the body, the limbs would shrivel up and the mouth would appear to grin as if laughing, until it was shrunk enough to slip into the cauldron.”16

Homosexuality. No ANE text condemns homosexuality. Additionally, some ANE manuscripts talk about “party-boys and festival people who changed their masculinity into femininity to make the people of Ishtar revere her.”17

Let us also remember that the problem with the Canaanite city of Sodom wasn’t just sex among consenting adults: the men of Sodom, both young and old, tried to rape the visitors (Gen. 19:5).

Bestiality. Probably the ultimate sexual depravity is intercourse with animals. Hittite Laws: 199 states, “If anyone has intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man has intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment.”18 As with incest, the penalty for having sex with animals decreased about the fourteenth century BC.19

There should be no surprise that bestiality would occur among the Canaanites, since their gods practiced it. From the [highlight]Canaanite epic poem “The Baal Cycle” we learn: “Mightiest Baal hears / He makes love with a heifer in the outback / A cow in the field of Death’s Realm. / He lies with her seventy times seven / Mounts eighty times eight / [She conceiv]es and bears a boy.”20

There were absolutely no prohibitions against bestiality in the rest of the ANE.21 In fact, in an Egyptian dream book it was a bad omen for a woman to dream about embracing her husband, but good things would happen if she dreamed of intercourse with a baboon, wolf, or he-goat.22 In short, their sexual fantasies involved everything that breathes.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

Gandalf wrote:

Quote:

Can you see the difference moses?

One orders muslims to fight the leaders of those who break treaties,
The other specifically orders the indiscriminate slaughter of women children and babies

I can't see any difference at all

Your first answer was:

Quote:

I reminded you that allah specifically told muslims that he could kill them if he wanted to, but he preferred that muslims deliver allahs' punishment as a test for the muslims.

You're trying to tell me that in the sacred bloodbaths that followed no women and kids got killed?

I don't believe that for a second Gandalf

I would also remind you of the poetess Asma bint Marwan:

March 624: Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise.When the apostle heard what she had said, he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?"`Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.She had five children, and the youngest was suckling at her breast. The assassin removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [muhammad] said, "You have helped allah and His apostle, O `Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so `Umayr went back to his people.

Source: Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham hadi'th

So murdering a mother of five small children one of which was a suckling infant, well according to muhammad two goats wouldn't butt their heads about her.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

I don't accept it as truth, as far as I know there is no evidence for it. What matters to me is there are people who believe it to have been a good thing that their God condoned and encouraged.
moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Oh I don't know about that I can see Canaanites every where

The original passage being discussed was this one:

Quote:

Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

That's the KJV. Just for future linking purposes, which translation do you prefer?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

I have to admit I jumped the gun, I thought everyone was talking about the slaughter of the Canaanites.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by gandalf on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

I can't see any difference at all

It is a bit subtle I admit, so I'll spell it out for you as simply as I can:

Quran: kill only the leaders of those who wage war against muslims
Bible: specifically kill children and infants of those who transgress

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 2:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

I can't see any difference at all

Yes, but Moses read that bit, G. He’s obviously saying we should kill the women and children because he’s a Christian, and as we all know, Jesus said he did not come to change the law.

The reason he wants to kill Muslims is they don’t agree with his interpretation of the Trinity. As a Christian, he is obligated to obey the demands of his holy book and kill the enemies of Christianity. He must kill Muslims, as Christians have done since 900 AD.

And yes, his book orders him to kill women and children too. Kill them all and let Gud sort them out. This is the religion Moses has committed to following; a religion that clearly preaches terrorism.

Nion-Christians and Gentiles are not safe in this country when a toxic, hateful book like the Old Testament still contains such Gud-given commands.

Moses can either renounce his beliefs and his evil version of Gud or go back to the Sinai desert. He’s not safe in our community. More importantly, based on his holy book, we’re not safe from him.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

Gandalf wrote:
Quote:

Yeah sure We all know that the muslims are absolutely so honourable that when they razed a town in combat, they tiptoed around, not once would any women and infant children have been a victim.

I mean just look at muslims today after 1400 years of their saintly islamic ways, there is not one woman or infant suffering or murdered by a muslim, is there? It's always just adult males.

I mean this seraphic behaviour of muslims goes way back to muhammad:

In Sahih al-Bukhari:
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr [pre-dawn] and the 'Isha' [evening] prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama [second call to prayer] and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

March 624: Asma bint Marwan

Asma was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd. She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise.When the apostle heard what she had said, he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?"`Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.She had five children, and the youngest was suckling at her breast. The assassin removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.

In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [muhammad] said, "You have helped allah and His apostle, O `Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so `Umayr went back to his people.

Source: Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham hadi'th

So in all the burning alive of whole families in their houses, murdering women with small children one a suckling infant, slaughtering masses of people in order to do allah's work for him as an islamic test, not one infant gets caught up in the islamic torture and slaughter?

I believe that just as much as I believe: it's got nuffin to do wiv islam.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

And now he’s citing excuses for his slaughter.

When will it ever end?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 2:34pm

Oh gee Karnal I upset you showing how today's 2015 muslims are still killing infants (because of their beliefs), just as muhammad did.

Unlike the Jews of today, a civilized people, relinquishing the deeds of the the Jews of 3500 - 4000 years ago.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

moses wrote on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

Hang on, you’re back to individual and war crimes. What about the examples of the prophets and their texts?

Our own Air Force will soon be killing babies, Moses. Which prophet must they obey?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

You mean like muhammad burning whole families to death in their own homes?

Or murdering a mother of five children, the youngest of which was still a suckling infant?

Or ordering all people be killed untill all religion is for the demonic allah?

Or the Armenian genocide?

There has been countless thousands of infants killed by muslims all due to their beliefs.

As for war, I know and I thought we all knew:

Since the dawn of time, there always has been women, underage men, children and infants killed as part of war.

But don't try and tell me that islam has a higher code of ethics than anybody else when it comes to the innocent dying under the sword of conflict.

muslims have done it from day one, they are still doing it right now 12/9/2015.

What happened 3,500 years ago by one group (Jews) is certainly no template for the way they conduct themselves today, they are eons ahead of muslims in the civilization stakes.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

I don't think the Palestinians would agree with you, Moses. ::)

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 10:27pm

moses wrote on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

You mean like muhammad burning whole families to death in their own homes?

Of course. Just like Moses, Moses. And just like the Australian Air Force.

This is your argument, not mine. If you're going to blame a religion for its ancient wars, you have to blame your own. And if you're going to blame a people for its current wars, you have to blame your own too.

There is no way out of your dillema. If there was, I'd be agreeing with you. I'd have to.

It is a jolly world, no?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 12:13am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

I don't think the Palestinians would agree with you, Moses. ::)

And remember;

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

We only have to examine the suffering of the poor Palestinian people, at the hands of those incredibly heartless and cruel Israelis, to know that that is true! :D

GO, TO, HELL!

John 18:37
.....Jesus answered,.....for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 12:13am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

I don't think the Palestinians would agree with you, Moses. ::)

And remember;

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

We only have to examine the suffering of the poor Palestinian people, at the hands of those incredibly heartless and cruel Israelis, to know that that is true! :D

GO, TO, HELL!

I am sure you'll be able to tell me how you got there, Yadda. ::)

John 11:35

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 5:33pm

While the real agenda is:

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Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:22pm

Karnal wrote:

Quote:

There is no doubt that the ancient people of the O.T. fought for religious and patriotic reasons.

As for the Aust defence forces you're wrong there. They do not fight as a spiritual requirement, they are retaliating against atrocities committed by muslims as part of their religion.

Today 2015 muslims are murdering as an islamic requirement, I blame muslims for this, muslims are indiscriminately slaughtering male and female, from the suckling infants, unborn babies through to the elderly.

SO to summarise I whole heartedly blame muslims and islam.

I completely exonerate our defence personnel

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

There is no doubt that the ancient people of the O.T. fought for religious and patriotic reasons.

You could boil down almost every conflict to be because of "religious and patriotic reasons"

I'm struggling to think of a single international conflict that doesn't fit within those parameters.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Karnal wrote:

Quote:

No, Moses, the invasion of Iraq killed millions of Iraqis - babies set fire in their homes as you yourself put it. We were not fighting Muslims or retaliating against attrocities, we invaded a state and deposed a secular regime.

I know you blame Muslims and Islam. My point is your logic doesn’t sustain your blame. You can rail away for years, but if there’s no point to it, it’s futile.

I don’t like bigots very much, but I hardly have cause to kill them or try to have them banned. If you don’t like Muslims because of their bloodthirsty books, you must hate Jews even more. And if you hate those who kill innocents, you must hate those who invade nations and engage in a bit of the old collateral damage.

If you don’t hold to your own professed logic, you have no reason to rail against Muslims at all - just irrational fear , hate and religious tribalism. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 8:33pm

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

While the real agenda is:

What if all those things upset and annoyed you including the way in which the Israelis act towards the Palestinians, Moses? Mmm? ::)

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

I completely exonerate our defence personnel

Why am I not surprised by that, Moses? ::)

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 12:03am

moses wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

While the real agenda is: [anti-Israel]

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

What if all those things upset and annoyed you including the way in which the Israelis act towards the Palestinians, Moses? Mmm? ::)

JUST LOOK AT OUR WORLD TODAY, THE WORLD OF MANKIND.

It is amazing how the world of politics has been 'shaping up' over the last 50-60 years;

On one side of the political 'divide';
You have many bible reading Christians, who identify themselves, as those who love God.
And you have the Jewish people, many of whom who still have faith in their God.
And you have the State of Israel.

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And then on the other side of the political divide in today's world, we see every political group who;
hate what the God of Old and New Testament scripture represents [hate even the suggestion that there is a God/creator!],
hate Israel,
hate the Jewish people [supposedly, just those who support the state of Israel],
hate all Christians who declare a love for the God of the bible .

They are the 'leftists'.
They are the Humanists.
The 'Socialist Alliance' types [communists].
Homosexuals.
AND EVEN CHRISTIANS - those who attend, and consider themselves to be members of Christian churches, who love and defend the right of moslem communities to exist and grow, within Western nations, ....and who see nothing wrong with supporting the 'Palestinian' cause [and who seemingly, have a 'disdain' for Jewish people, and are also against the existence of the State of Israel].

And, it is clear to see, that all of those groups have closely aligned themselves politically, with ISLAM, with moslem communities, and with the 'Palestinian' cause.

Luke 21:24
....and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And reading that NT text, it is interesting to consider, that from the perspective of the 'Jewish' God [as presented in OT and NT scripture], moslems too, would also 'qualify' as those who are gentiles/infidels.

Well hey, Jerusalem was trodden down by gentiles, until the year of The Six Day War.

I guess we are living in interesting times.

:)

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 1:54pm

Karnal wrote Reply #42 - Yesterday at 7:11pm:

Quote:

I don’t like bigots very much, but I hardly have cause to kill them or try to have them banned. If you don’t like Muslims because of their bloodthirsty books, you must hate Jews even more. And if you hate those who kill innocents, you must hate those who invade nations and engage in a bit of the old collateral damage.

If you don’t hold to your own professed logic, you have no reason to rail against Muslims at all - just irrational fear , hate and religious tribalism. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

You always carry on about the 3,500 year old O.T. chronicles of ancient Jewish behaviour as an excuse for present day muslim behaviour.

My point always has been that the Jews don't use these ancient accounts as the be all end all guide for their present day civilization. They leave muslims for dead in this field.

I have always said that muslims slaughter innocent men women and children as a religious requirement, they cite the filth of islam as their justification.

So my position is: muslims intentionally commit the foulest of atrocities against men women and children all in the name of their satanic cult islam.

muslim men women and children are killed by retaliatory actions of those who defend the world against the deliberate inhumanities of muslims / islam.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

moses wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

Karnal wrote Reply #42 - Yesterday at 7:11pm:

Quote:

I have no problems at all with the invasions of Iraq.

I believe that Iraq sponsored terrorism, invaded or attacked their neighbors, had killed tens of thousands of their own people, using secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, assassinations and chemical warfare.

Iraq was invaded, it was justified retaliation, as far as I'm concerned.

[quote]I don’t like bigots very much, but I hardly have cause to kill them or try to have them banned. If you don’t like Muslims because of their bloodthirsty books, you must hate Jews even more. And if you hate those who kill innocents, you must hate those who invade nations and engage in a bit of the old collateral damage.

If you don’t hold to your own professed logic, you have no reason to rail against Muslims at all - just irrational fear , hate and religious tribalism. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 2:34pm

My understanding is that the verses such as those which told the Jews to slaughter the Canaanites etc, are time and people specific.

They are past events they do not refer to the here and now.

However if I'm wrong let me know when they are going to slaughter the Canaanites and all the animals will you.

Now to get to your buddies the muslims they have no timelines at all, they started out murdering Christians, Jews, pagans, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists and they are still doing it today.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

moses wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

You must have missed the directive to go out, conquer lands and slaughter gentiles, Moses. The whole point of being Gud's chosen people was a get-out-of-jail free card for atrocities. The circumcision of the enemy on the battlefield was a nice touch, but Jewish rulers like David did this voluntarily.

You're right. They are past events, but no religious Jew would ever question the Gud-given directive. Orthodox Jews still use different stoves to cook milk and meat products. Lambs are still slaughtered at Passover. Boys are still circumcised 8 days after birth.

Leviticus stands.

It's strange how you understand the Torah to be time and people specific. When you've been shown how the Koran is exactly this, you disagree. You believe the rules of the battlefield relate somehow to how Muslims conduct their lives in peacetime, despite being shown the context and the Arabic translations.

Recently, a few crazy Israelis have taken to Old Testament punishments, stabbing homosexuals and stoning Palestinian gentiles. They use the Torah to justify their actions. And yet, you refuse to see the parallel between this and the Muslim nutcases.

The Muslim nutcases are wrong. Executing homosexuals and beheading infidels is not a requirement of Islam. Doing these things contradicts the spirit of the teachings. Every Muslim cleric I've ever heard says this. You've read their words here plenty of times, but for some reason, you disagree with them. You know, it doesn't mean what it says.

Unlike the Book of Leviticus, of course, which for some reason you think has been rescinded.

The Muslims murdering Christians, Jews, pagans, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists are what we call murderers. When they do it in wartime, they're called war criminals. They are not "good Muslims" anymore than Israelis who do the same are "good Jews". The Israeli army has committed atrocities too. And when they do, you ignore it. You pretend it isn't happening.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Stratos on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 4:30pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

The circumcision of the enemy on the battlefield was a nice touch, but Jewish rulers like David did this voluntarily.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/david_vs_saul/david_mutilates_200_gets_married/1s18_27b.html

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 4:44pm

Karnal wrote:

Quote:

As I said it's said it's all there, however you missed the Jewish Diaspora, the Jews were scattered across the world from Biblical times until 1948, since that time they have done nothing but defend themselves against the millions of rabid hate filled muslims who are consumed with the desire to slaughter every Jew on this planet.

So there's no going out and conquering lands and slaughtering gentiles as you said.

Quote:

It's strange how you understand the Torah to be time and people specific. When you've been shown how the Koran is exactly this, you disagree. You believe the rules of the battlefield relate somehow to how Muslims conduct their lives in peacetime, despite being shown the context and the Arabic translations.

Recently, a few crazy Israelis have taken to Old Testament punishments, stabbing homosexuals and stoning Palestinian gentiles. They use the Torah to justify their actions. And yet, you refuse to see the parallel between this and the Muslim nutcases.

The Muslim nutcases are wrong. Executing homosexuals and beheading infidels is not a requirement of Islam. Doing these things contradicts the spirit of the teachings. Every Muslim cleric I've ever heard says this. You've read their words here plenty of times, but for some reason, you disagree with them. You know, it doesn't mean what it says.

Unlike the Book of Leviticus, of course, which for some reason you think has been rescinded.

The Muslims murdering Christians, Jews, pagans, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists are what we call murderers. When they do it in wartime, they're called war criminals. They are not "good Muslims" anymore than Israelis who do the same are "good Jews". The Israeli army has committed atrocities too. And when they do, you ignore it. You pretend it isn't happening.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

It's amazing how everyone keeps trying to exonerate islam and the qur'an for muslim's atrocities right here right now, every day of every week of every year.

Every muslim is obsessed with living the way allah dictates.

Why are they universally a bunch of rapists, torturers and mass murderers?

The facts are that there is not one muslim or apologist alive who can explain to the fundamentalists that you should not rape torture and slaugher your fellow man.

Every one of these fundamentalists are 100% convinced they are the highest grade of muslim there is, assured a place in paradise.

Why is the islamic problem a global one if religiously, muslims clearly are not suppossed to be committing atrocities against their fellow man?

When are muslims going to accept their responsibility for the islamic atrocities globally committed?

When are muslims going to stop being a burden on the entire globe?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by gandalf on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

I really don't know why you need to hate moses. Does it give your life purpose?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 7:12pm

You tell me the why and when Gandalf:

The facts are that there is not one muslim or apologist alive who can explain to the fundamentalists that you should not rape torture and slaugher your fellow man.

Every one of these fundamentalists are 100% convinced they are the highest grade of muslim there is, assured a place in paradise.

Why is the islamic problem a global one if religiously, muslims clearly are not suppossed to be committing atrocities against their fellow man?

When are muslims going to accept their responsibility for the islamic atrocities globally committed?

When are muslims going to stop being a burden on the entire globe?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 7:39pm

I wonder when Christians will accept responsibility for the slaughter and mayhem committed in the name of their religion, Moses? Jews? Buddhists? Hindus? All religions have gone on the rampage at one time or t'other. Don't you think it's time to admit to? ::)

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

moses wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

You must have missed the directive to go out, conquer lands and slaughter gentiles, Moses.

The whole point of being Gud's chosen people was a get-out-of-jail free card for atrocities.

Karnal,

I thought that i had demonstrated, through OT scripture that the slaughter the Canaanite nations, was NOT because they were 'Gentiles' [i.e. disbelievers].

But of course such information, confirmed in OT scripture, won't stop people like yourself slandering God, and his word.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1441760279/2#2

Quote:

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As the bible itself testifies;

The ancient Hebrews had no sanction from their God, to murder or to harm, those who were not Hebrews.

The ancient Hebrews had no sanction from their God, to oppress or to harm people, because they were Gentiles.

+++

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

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Karnal,

It is 'convenient' how you have totally ignored information presented in earlier posts in this thread, as to the justification for the destruction of those nations.

THEY WERE NATIONS FULL OF MURDERERS AND SERIOUS CRIMINALS

And that justification, had nothing to do with "go out, conquer lands and slaughter gentiles".

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1441760279/0#0

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Quote:

Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

I really don't know why you need to hate moses.

Does it give your life purpose?

Yeah, moses is talking of; The moslem HATRED, ....of non-moslems.

.....because they are non-moslems.

gandalf,

WHY ARE YOU FALSELY MISREPRESENTING OTHER FAITHS, AS FAITHS PROMOTING HATRED.

WHILE MISREPRESENTING THE HATRED OF 'OTHERS', WHICH IS MANDATED IN ISLAM [AS NON-EXISTENT] ??????

e.g.

Quote:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

N.B.
"...the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

And moslems can draw authority for that mainstream doctrine, from Koran verses, such as.....

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Now compare those previous Koran verses......

Against, what OT scripture mandates, on the treatment of 'disbelievers' living among the ancient Israelites.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1441760279/2#2

Quote:

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Yadda on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 8:48pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

moses wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 2:34pm:

The Muslim nutcases are wrong.

Executing homosexuals and beheading infidels is not a requirement of Islam.

Karnal,

You are a bare faced LIAR.

ISLAMIC doctrine mandates the killing of both homosexuals and the beheading of infidels [who 'wilfully' reject ISLAM, and resist the spread of ISLAM].

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Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Doing these things contradicts the spirit of the teachings. Every Muslim cleric I've ever heard says this. You've read their words here plenty of times, but for some reason, you disagree with them. You know, it doesn't mean what it says.

More LIARS.

Moslem LAIRS, FALSELY 'preaching peace'.

Who are 'preaching peace', BECAUSE MOSLEMS [within Western nations] HAVE NO MEANS TO IMPLEMENT THEIR TRUE INTENTIONS.

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

SEE ALSO --------- >

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Please watch this YT...
David Wood on the 3 stages of Jihad 24 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjdO4cfeEg

As an informative and revelatory YouTube on ISLAM,
Yadda gives this David Wood YouTube 5/5 stars.

If you are a person who loves truth, please watch that David Wood YouTube.

If you believe that knowledge of what is true, should be important in directing YOUR choices, in your life, please watch that David Wood YouTube.

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Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Unlike the Book of Leviticus, of course, which for some reason you think has been rescinded.

Karnal,

Where is Levitical law practised by Christians ????????????

I thought that we [even Christians] are all governed under Australian laws, instituted by our Australian parliaments, here in secular Australia.

Am i mistaken ????

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

moses wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

This time, it’s not the Koran and it’s not "what Muslims do", it’s the inability of Muslims to reign in the fundamentalists.

There you go, effendes. Moses blames communication.

Ban them. Kill them. Nuke them.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by ordinaryguy on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:11pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Kill them. Nuke them.

Amen to that.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:17pm

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 10:41pm:

Kill them. Nuke them.

Amen to that.

Now now, Matty. Atheists don’t say Amen.

That’s blasphemy.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by ordinaryguy on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:19pm

I am not an athiest nor am I matty.

Take a Chill pill precious.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:29pm

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

I am not an athiest nor am I matty.

Take a Chill pill precious.

Kool story, bro.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by ordinaryguy on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:32pm

I gather you really don't want to nuke the rag heads given the hissy fit and all.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:56pm

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

I gather you really don't want to nuke the rag heads given the hissy fit and all.

Not really. It would take out Israel and the House of Saud.

Feel free yourself though. Just make sure you leave Assad in Syria, okay?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by ordinaryguy on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 12:00am

I'm not sure what you know about nuclear weapons but it wouldn't take out Israel at all. In fact if we were to take em out I'd encourage them to do the deed after all the bullshyte they have taken from those grubby Palestinians and their fairy tales.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by moses on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

Karnal wrote Reply #58 - Yesterday at 10:41pm

Quote:

Well you see Karnal there's communications and there's communications isn't their.

When one muslim tells another muslim that he's not supposed to rape, torture and mass murder, well that's deliberately delusive communication isn't it?

Now the qur'an communicates to the true blue muslims the antithesis of the above, the highest grade of muslim slays and is slain in the cause of allah, that's the truthful communication.

So there we have it, muslims around the globe doing all in their power to stop allah from excommunicating them, for not following the communicated communications intercommunicated throughout the qur'an to muslims to be the foulest vilest people on this earth.

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Karnal on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 10:32pm

Delusive?

Title: Re: The God of the ancient Israelites is a stupid-crue
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 10:43pm

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 12:00am:

You do realise how close the Israelis and the Palestinians co-habit, don't you? ::)