Why - after the first Twin Tower collapsed - were the NY firefighters still being ordered to enter the second burning tower to proceed up the stairs until they reached the impact zone?

I've been trying to make sense of this.

The evidence was right there next to the second tower that it would soon collapse, and an emergency evacuation was the only logical course of action.

And the second mystery is why those firefighters obeyed the insane order to approach the remaining building and enter it like drugged zombies.

What sort of 'macho' bullshit was it that cancelled all their natural intelligence and their instinct for self-preservation in the face of impending disaster?

These robotic zombies even had the promptings of a man who ran out of the second building shouting at them to run away as the building was about to collapse. But they just kept walking silently to their inevitable deaths.

343 firemen lost their lives, but how many in the second tower, I don't know.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:41am:

Why - after the first Twin Tower collapsed - were the NY firefighters still being ordered to enter the second burning tower to proceed up the stairs until they reached the impact zone? I've been trying to make sense of this. The evidence was right there next to the second tower that it would soon collapse, and an emergency evacuation was the only logical course of action. And the second mystery is why those firefighters obeyed the insane order to approach the remaining building and enter it like drugged zombies. What sort of 'macho' bullshit was it that cancelled all their natural intelligence and their instinct for self-preservation in the face of impending disaster? These robotic zombies even had the promptings of a man who ran out of the second building shouting at them to run away as the building was about to collapse. But they just kept walking silently to their inevitable deaths. 343 firemen lost their lives, but how many in the second tower, I don't know. link

Confusion and Panic. When these 2 mates turn up....anything can and does happen.

Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.

If it's too dangerous to enter the burning building, they don't, whatever the consequences may be.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with. If it's too dangerous to enter the burning building, they don't, whatever the consequences may be.

Ahhh good point.

However, nothing about this incident was routine.

This incident was in fact unique..particularly in terms of scale.

Anyway, "the truth" about 9/11 will take time to surface.

Given the HISTORY of how the U.S govt operates....there's no doubt in my mind that the impending attacks were known....and allowed to proceed.

Anyone ever heard of Pearl Harbour?

Same type of thing happened there.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with.

Wrong answer.

In the documentary I saw, there were firefighter bosses who were right there having already witnessed the first tower collapse because of the heat - but in spite of that were organising groups of firefighters to 'kit-up' and wear oxygen tanks, before then walking calmly towards the second tower.

That's two dud answers so far.

Would anybody else like to have a shot at answering this question?

Those firemen walked towards and into that second and remaining tower like sheeps to the slaughter. The term 'zombies' comes to mind as no other description fits the scenario.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am: Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with. Wrong answer. In the documentary I saw, there were firefighter bosses who were right there having already witnessed the first tower collapse because of the heat - but in spite of that were organising groups of firefighters to 'kit-up' and wear oxygen tanks, before then walking calmly towards the second tower. That's two dud answers so far. Would anybody else like to have a shot at answering this question? Those firemen walked towards and into that second and remaining tower like sheeps to the slaughter. The term 'zombies' comes to mind as no other description fits the scenario.

What are you implying?

Do you know the answer?

I don't think you do.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:41am:

Why - after the first Twin Tower collapsed - were the NY firefighters still being ordered to enter the second burning tower to proceed up the stairs until they reached the impact zone? I've been trying to make sense of this. The evidence was right there next to the second tower that it would soon collapse, and an emergency evacuation was the only logical course of action. And the second mystery is why those firefighters obeyed the insane order to approach the remaining building and enter it like drugged zombies. What sort of 'macho' bullshit was it that cancelled all their natural intelligence and their instinct for self-preservation in the face of impending disaster? These robotic zombies even had the promptings of a man who ran out of the second building shouting at them to run away as the building was about to collapse. But they just kept walking silently to their inevitable deaths. 343 firemen lost their lives, but how many in the second tower, I don't know. link

It is a fierce sense of duty that incites people to do their employment, despite the danger. I work in the transport industry, considered part of the most dangerous jobs in Australia. Though, I think my job really only entails the threat of car accidents. I have also worked in the taxi industry. That entailed the threat of robberies, car accidents, assaults. Finally, in my younger days, I worked in retail. The threat I had received was verbal abuse, sexual harassment, age discrimination, and a robbery (with a few attempted robberies).

However, these threats and incidents pale in comparison to the arduous circumstances that the fire officials had to endure on one day of their lives. Unfortunately, many of them had to make that sacrifice to try and save the lives of a few. Those sacrifices included having to run up the stairs to the impact zone with little protection. Not many of those fire officials would have thought that the towers were to collapse. But I bet all of them had a strong idea that the towers could collapse. To go in and save some lives despite the odds, that is bravery.

I sat at home, watching some of the events unfold on the news. Though I thought that the first tower would not fall, there was little doubt that at some point in the future, the second tower would have probably fallen. Either demolished a few days later for safety considerations, or as a result of the impact and fire damage.

Realistically, Herbert, you should show the decision of emergency services personnel a lot more respect.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 8:40am:

Anyway, "the truth" about 9/11 will take time to surface. Given the HISTORY of how the U.S govt operates....there's no doubt in my mind that the impending attacks were known....and allowed to proceed. Anyone ever heard of Pearl Harbour? Same type of thing happened there.

Whilst I know that the U.S. government/Pentagon knew that the attacks were going to happen, it was a matter of where and when that was in question. You can't have an alliance with Osama bin Laden, and not know that the attacks were not going to happen. I have watched documentary after documentary on the subject of "911", and I'm quite satisfied that the United States government (particularly Bush) had inside knowledge of an attack, but let it happen.

Look back to 1982, and a young OBL has claimed to have decided to attack the United States, due to the United States support of Israel. Chances are, Usama bin Muhammad bin awad bin Laden must have been inspired by his own father Sheik Muhammad bin Laden. Sheik bin Laden inspired Osama to attack Israel, by attacking the United States. With the financial support of the United States disabled, the Arab world would have had a better chance against Israel.

source: "Osama bin Laden" by Michael Scheuer

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:30am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 8:28am: Firefighters face confusion and panic as a routine part of their job, that's one thing they are experts at coping with. Wrong answer. In the documentary I saw, there were firefighter bosses who were right there having already witnessed the first tower collapse because of the heat - but in spite of that were organising groups of firefighters to 'kit-up' and wear oxygen tanks, before then walking calmly towards the second tower. That's two dud answers so far. Would anybody else like to have a shot at answering this question? Those firemen walked towards and into that second and remaining tower like sheeps to the slaughter. The term 'zombies' comes to mind as no other description fits the scenario. What are you implying? Do you know the answer? I don't think you do.

I don't know the answer, but I'm not looking for diversionary comments and irrelevancies here.

Be specific.

I think you might have things a bit ass about there Herb.

WTC tower 1 was the first to be hit, but in fact it was the second to collapse.

There were already many firefighters in WTC tower 1 before WTC tower 2 collapsed. After the collapse of WTC tower 2, the order was given to evacuate WTC tower 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks

Herb they kept entering the buildings because they didn't expect them to fall down.

There is no way the twin towers could have fallen by being hit with a Boeing 767 Aeroplane.

That rubbish about the fuel melting the steel is just that rubbish, look up at what temperature steel melts and the hottest temperature that aircraft fuel can achieve.

Other buildings (skyscrapers) have had hotter fires burning for longer and NONE have fallen.

The twin towers and building seven were brought to the ground by controlled demolition.

Controlled demolition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww

Architects and Engineers in the USA refuse to believe the evidence presented by the NIST reports.

http://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

These two wrap it up nicely imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9UwsSXwTYghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvOQre3CTyo

Amadd wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

I think you might have things a bit ass about there Herb. WTC tower 1 was the first to be hit, but in fact it was the second to collapse. There were already many firefighters in WTC tower 1 before WTC tower 2 collapsed. After the collapse of WTC tower 2, the order was given to evacuate WTC tower 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks

Bingo! Onya Amadd!

Ajax wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Herb they kept entering the buildings because they didn't expect them to fall down. There is no way the twin towers could have fallen by being hit with a Boeing 767 Aeroplane. That rubbish about the fuel melting the steel is just that rubbish, look up at what temperature steel melts and the hottest temperature that aircraft fuel can achieve. Other buildings (skyscrapers) have had hotter fires burning for longer and NONE have fallen. The twin towers and building seven were brought to the ground by controlled demolition. Controlled demolition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww

;D

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Amadd wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

I think you might have things a bit ass about there Herb. WTC tower 1 was the first to be hit, but in fact it was the second to collapse. There were already many firefighters in WTC tower 1 before WTC tower 2 collapsed. After the collapse of WTC tower 2, the order was given to evacuate WTC tower 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks

 

You have failed to understand what I wrote in my first post here.

Please read my opening post again.

Ajax wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Herb they kept entering the buildings because they didn't expect them to fall down.

Again - another English Comprehension dropout.

Read my initial post again.

I am not going to repeat what I said in my opening post.

A simple question has turned into an English Comprehension test.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

Amadd wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 3:59pm: I think you might have things a bit ass about there Herb. WTC tower 1 was the first to be hit, but in fact it was the second to collapse. There were already many firefighters in WTC tower 1 before WTC tower 2 collapsed. After the collapse of WTC tower 2, the order was given to evacuate WTC tower 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks   You have failed to understand what I wrote in my first post here. Please read my opening post again.

Thankyou Lisa. I think Herb left his reading glasses at Bindi Irwin's place.


8:46:30:[10] American Airlines Flight 11 crashes at roughly 466 mph (790 km/h or 219m/s or 425 knots) into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99.

9:03:02: Flight 175 crashes at about 590 mph (950 km/h, 264 m/s or 513 knots) into the south face of the South Tower (2 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 77 and 85.

9:58:59:[10] The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses, 56 minutes after the impact of Flight 175.

10:00: FDNY Battalion Chief Joseph Pfeifer (inside of the still standing North Tower) orders all FDNY personnel to evacuate, via radio.


Batallion 1 Chief: "Command post, Tower 1, all units. Evacuate the building. Command post, to all units."[30]


So the answer is that they weren't ordered up the stairs after the first collapse, they were ordered to evacuate.

You've made a commendable effort there, Ahmad, but ground crew leaders were still marching their men into the still-standing burning tower.

It's on video-tape. It's on film. It's history, not fiction.

I watched it on TV only a few night s ago. It was called '9/11 Extra'. That's referring to extra video footage that the media originally didn't want to make public.

Nice try, Ahmad, but no hashish this time.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

You've made a commendable effort there, Ahmad, but ground crew leaders were still marching their men into the still-standing burning tower. It's on video-tape. It's on film. It's history, not fiction. I watched it on TV only a few night s ago. It was called '9/11 Extra'. That's referring to extra video footage that the media originally didn't want to make public. Nice try, Ahmad, but no hashish this time.

OK Herb, if that's the case that firefighters were still being marched up after one of the towers had already fallen, then that certainly doesn't match with the more widespread story of events.

I'll try to look up that show and give it a look at some stage.

ps: Hows about just a small splinter of hashish?

Amadd wrote on Sep 18^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

ps: Hows about just a small splinter of hashish?

Well, now that you've told me one of the leaders of the firefighters ordered an immediate evacuation of the second tower - I'll be checking Google myself to see if I had misunderstood what I was seeing in this doco. At no time during this documentary did the commentator say anything about firefighters walking into the second tower after the first one had fallen down.

I'd like to be proven wrong in thinking those poor fellows had marched needlessly to a horrible death.

It's a staggering fact that well over 800 known victims never even had the slightest trace of DNA found of them by the clean-up crews and the swarms of coroner's investigators. Simply disappeared without a race. No bone fragment, no foot, no solitary tooth. Simply were pulverised into fine dust.

And three months after 9/11 - parts were still burning as hot embers.

PS. The hashish is on its way. My employee Waleed 'Wally1' el-Mohammad delivers all over town in a white Domino Pizza van ... He'll be at your door shortly.  8-)

So Herbie you think firemen are stupid brainless robots.

You better think on that one grandpa.

Like I told you Herbie the buildings were not expected to fall down, that's why they entered them.

Thermite will dissolve almost anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zED8dy63whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfxkcBmZfK0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAkF7E2nCs

Ajax wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

So Herbie you think firemen are stupid brainless robots. You better think on that one grandpa.

Fear of losing the job that is paying for your family, your mortgage, your daughter's ballet lessons, and the car that was bought on credit is a mighty big motivator for just putting one foot in front of the other and following with the rest of them who are also heavily dependent on a regular wage coming in.

You might think of taking your own advice, Ajax.


Ajax wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 9:39am:

Like I told you Herbie the buildings were not expected to fall down, that's why they entered them.

You're another one suffering from dyslexia who has failed to read and understand my first post.

Go back and read my first post. It will be a "D'oh!" moment for you.

Is there a Full Moon on at the moment?

Here you go, Herb. Hope this helps:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/7c/1f/d17c1fd88d6953702a2c07cac4e3cf07.jpg

You're smokin' FAR too much of that weed nowadaze, Marla. You're trippin', girlfriend.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

You're smokin' FAR too much of that weed nowadaze, Marla. You're trippin', girlfriend.

It's not everyone else, Herbie - it's you.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 9:39am: So Herbie you think firemen are stupid brainless robots. You better think on that one grandpa. Fear of losing the job that is paying for your family, your mortgage, your daughter's ballet lessons, and the car that was bought on credit is a mighty big motivator for just putting one foot in front of the other and following with the rest of them who are also heavily dependent on a regular wage coming in. You might think of taking your own advice, Ajax. Ajax wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 9:39am: Like I told you Herbie the buildings were not expected to fall down, that's why they entered them. You're another one suffering from dyslexia who has failed to read and understand my first post. Go back and read my first post. It will be a "D'oh!" moment for you. Is there a Full Moon on at the moment?

Herbie you asked a question and I answered it, I don't need to go back and read your OP.

I understand it very well and like I said I answered it for you, if you don't like my answer stick it where it fits.

But like I said previously firemen, policemen and paramedics are not brainless robots following commands blindly.

All of these have safety regulations that cover such situations.

To answer your own question you have to ask many more questions than the one you are asking.

To come to the conclusion that you have come to shows how dyslexic your investigation is grandpa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 8:13am:

Amadd wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:03pm: ps: Hows about just a small splinter of hashish? Well, now that you've told me one of the leaders of the firefighters ordered an immediate evacuation of the second tower - I'll be checking Google myself to see if I had misunderstood what I was seeing in this doco. At no time during this documentary did the commentator say anything about firefighters walking into the second tower after the first one had fallen down. I'd like to be proven wrong in thinking those poor fellows had marched needlessly to a horrible death. It's a staggering fact that well over 800 known victims never even had the slightest trace of DNA found of them by the clean-up crews and the swarms of coroner's investigators. Simply disappeared without a trace. No bone fragment, no foot, no solitary tooth. Simply were pulverised into fine dust. And three months after 9/11 - parts were still burning as hot embers. PS. The hashish is on its way. My employee Waleed 'Wally1' el-Mohammad delivers all over town in a white Domino Pizza van ... He'll be at your door shortly.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

You're smokin' FAR too much of that weed nowadaze, Marla. You're trippin', girlfriend.

Herb, if I was your girlfriend you would have me tied up by now and spanking me. And Herb, I've been very naughty girl lately.






Very naughty.

Marla wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2015 at 4:16pm: You're smokin' FAR too much of that weed nowadaze, Marla. You're trippin', girlfriend. Herb, if I was your girlfriend you would have me tied up by now and spanking me. And Herb, I've been very naughty girl lately. Very naughty.

Remember what you said about walking late at night through that black ghetto where no one threatened you?

I done finally worked out why you were given a free pass to move around them neighbourhoods late at night without being accosted by the local Abos.

It was thought by all of them black folk that because you were so brazenly prowling about there late at night - bold as brass - it must be because you were being pimped by one of their own, and it was best they leave you alone if they done valued their health ...

It was a Hispanic neighborhood. Soon to be Muslim.

Marla wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 10:20am:

It was a Hispanic neighborhood. Soon to be Muslim.

It's the fashion now for white women to marry celebrity Negroes or Muslims who are seriously cashed-up.

Is that why you're not planning to move out from that 'Hood where you is now?

If you're hoping to attract a Neegro .. then you'd better start padding your ass with a cushion or two while wearing tight jeans.

Check out Coco Austin and Kim Kardashian's ass.

Your Italian bum is too skinny. It's time you got stuck into a lot of pasta and pizzas until your arse juts out like a chimpanzee's.

Keep us informed of your progress in making your ass protrude like the nose of a  hippopotamus.

9/11 conspiracy theories are now a integral part of American-style Protestantism, along with Ayn Rand, gun rights and post WWII conservatism. You can have it!

Ah Herb, such low intelligence always constant in your sexism, racism, xenophobia, and general misanthropy no matter what the subject

Marla wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 4:18am:

Ah Herb, such low intelligence always constant in your sexism, racism, xenophobia, and general misanthropy no matter what the subject

Without any promptings from me, it was you who gave us the story about being able to walk late at night through an ethnic ghetto (racism + xenophobia) without getting raped by the local males (misandry + sexism).

Glass houses.

As for the cheap-shot 'low intelligence' remark - aren't you the one who smokes marijuana - otherwise known as .. 'dope'?

Hmmm ... ?

Look before you leap, smartypants.  :P

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 5:46am:

Without any promptings from me, it was you who gave us the story about being able to walk late at night through an ethnic ghetto (racism + xenophobia) without getting raped by the local males (misandry + sexism).

And the problem with that is...? I never mentioned misandry and/or sexism. Those are your mutterings, Herbie.


Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 5:46am:

Glass houses. As for the cheap-shot 'low intelligence' remark - aren't you the one who smokes marijuana - otherwise known as .. 'dope'? Hmmm ... ?

Apparent, weed does not lower ones' intelligence as much as racism and sexism does. Try.To.Form.A.Better.Argument. Herb.


Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 5:46am:

Look before you leap, smartypants.  :P

Did somebody say something about a glass house..?

Every little struggle serves only to settle you deeper and deeper into the bog of your own making.

You shot yourself in the foot with your comments, and now you're trying to walk out the room with your head held high and your feathers unruffled - but it ain't foolin' nobody, sister.

Young bitchy smartalecs are on my menu today, and you've been owned, sugar-plum.

Be nice - and I'll be nice.

Herbie, you're about as capable of being nice as you are at telling truth.

Marla wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 8:41am:

Herbie, you're about as capable of being nice as you are at telling truth.

Now you're becoming downright childish.

It's time to move on, and learn the lesson that it's not always wise to punch above your weight when you don't have the tools to be as clever as you might think you are.

Off you go now before I sic Ronda Rousey onto you.