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CNN)A stampede during one of the last rituals of the Hajj season -- the annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca -- has killed more than 700 people and injured close to 900 others in Saudi Arabia.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/24/middleeast/stampede-hajj-pilgrimage/index.html

Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds.

Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me.

Jenny will be pleased, more dead muslims, near 800 wasnt it.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:25am:

Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds.

This is entirely the fault of the Saudi authorities who simply refused to learn from past mistakes.

The way to prevent these crushes is by installing scores of steel-tubed barriers every few metres so that no more than a dozen people in any one place can move forward.

The Brits had to learn this the hard way at their football venues where many were suffocated by crowds surging forward down the viewing stands.

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/tubed.png

I don't doubt that many of those poor souls were good and decent people who lived to humanitarian and Christian values under the guise of Islam.

Heads should roll for the criminal negligence that allowed this to happen.

Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie?

Marla wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie?

God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?!

Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:43am:

Jenny will be pleased, more dead muslims, near 800 wasnt it.

800?
would have to be a million X that amount to please me.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Well Herbie, once you post some "subject matter" that is not:

1. racist
2. sexist
3. homophobic
4. misogynistic
5. xenophobic

then I might consider it.

Hey, I'm only playing down to your level.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:25am: Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds. This is entirely the fault of the Saudi authorities who simply refused to learn from past mistakes. The way to prevent these crushes is by installing scores of steel-tubed barriers every few metres so that no more than a dozen people in any one place can move forward. The Brits had to learn this the hard way at their football venues where many were suffocated by crowds surging forward down the viewing stands. http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/tubed.png I don't doubt that many of those poor souls were good and decent people who lived to humanitarian and Christian values under the guise of Islam. Heads should roll for the criminal negligence that allowed this to happen.

Thank you Herb and i concur heartily with your sentiments. This is not because of fanatisism its because 2 million people were in one place without adequate controls. As the abc correspondent said this morning this event happens wvery year so it is a very predictable potential disaster. According to reports it was caused by one crowd taking the "wrong" path and converging with another crowd coming the other way. The Saudis excuse is that they were told not to go that way. Well sorry, not good enough - why weren't they physically prevented from going?  Heads should role over this - starting from the minister in charge. Yet initial statements from the government are already stating that no one from the government is to blame. What a joke. Blind freddy can see this was a gigantic, and very predictable, cock-up by the government.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Marla wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:56am: Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie? God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?! Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature.

Make allowances Herb, she meant an American university.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:47am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:25am: Oh dear!....they missed the 'no argie bargie' rule for crowds. This is entirely the fault of the Saudi authorities who simply refused to learn from past mistakes. The way to prevent these crushes is by installing scores of steel-tubed barriers every few metres so that no more than a dozen people in any one place can move forward. The Brits had to learn this the hard way at their football venues where many were suffocated by crowds surging forward down the viewing stands. http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/tubed.png I don't doubt that many of those poor souls were good and decent people who lived to humanitarian and Christian values under the guise of Islam. Heads should roll for the criminal negligence that allowed this to happen. Thank you Herb and i concur heartily with your sentiments. This is not because of fanatisism its because 2 million people were in one place without adequate controls. As the abc correspondent said this morning this event happens wvery year so it is a very predictable potential disaster. According to reports it was caused by one crowd taking the "wrong" path and converging with another crowd coming the other way. The Saudis excuse is that they were told not to go that way. Well sorry, not good enough - why weren't they physically prevented from going?  Heads should role over this - starting from the minister in charge. Yet initial statements from the government are already stating that no one from the government is to blame. What a joke. Blind freddy can see this was a gigantic, and very predictable, cock-up by the government.

Exactly.

It's totally inexcusable.

I hope the relatives of the deceased sue the Saudi government into bankruptcy over this awful tragedy that has cost so many innocent lives. How awful for the families back home to have to learn that their loved ones aren't coming home.

In my other life I had good friends who had done the hajj, and others who were yet to make the pilgrimage.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 2:51pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 8:01am: Marla wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:56am: Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie? God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?! Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature. Make allowances Herb, she meant an American university.

;D

Ooooooo you're nasty ... Marla will come back at you with her claws out now. (after she's finished her toke, of course).

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 2:51pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 8:01am: Marla wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:56am: Perhaps they can borrow that one from the British eh, Herbie? God lord! Are you STILL stalking me?! Didn't you say you are tertiary-educated? Let's hear something from you about the subject matter instead of little jabs and pokes of a personal nature. Make allowances Herb, she meant an American university. ;D Ooooooo you're nasty ... Marla will come back at you with her claws out now. (after she's finished her toke, of course).

Ya still think he's a girl ?......jeez Herb anybody can see its a guy called Marlon (not Brando - he slid off the plate long ago)......

If he'll "walk for weed" what else will he do?

;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:04am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:43am: Jenny will be pleased, more dead muslims, near 800 wasnt it. 800? would have to be a million X that amount to please me.

We know.....Jesus said

thou shalt slaughter them all

the innocent babies

the little children

the sick and the hungry

the downtrodden and the forgotten

for thou shalt not inhabit the land of the Lord thy God

the land that be keepeth

for the strong and the mighty

the powerful and the rich

the Kings and Queens

the black of heart

thus only selfish men shall forever

reign in the kingdom of they Lord

Normally I wouldn't laugh about people getting crushed but in this case hahahahahahaha friggin hilarious  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death.

Not for the firts time, though:
• 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims.
• 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual.
• 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge.
• 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives.
• 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.
• 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush.



They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned. 

And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them.

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death. Not for the firts time, though: • 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims. • 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual. • 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge. • 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives. • 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. • 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned.  And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them.

Kissing and bowing your head to a wailing wall is ok is it?

wally1 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm: Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death. Not for the firts time, though: • 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims. • 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual. • 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge. • 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives. • 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. • 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned.  And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them. Kissing and bowing your head to a wailing wall is ok is it?

Yeah, it's OK. Quiet prayer is OK. 
Nobody is trampled to death, you see.

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm: Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death. Not for the firts time, though: • 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims. • 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual. • 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge. • 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives. • 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. • 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned.  And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them. Kissing and bowing your head to a wailing wall is ok is it? Yeah, it's OK. Quiet prayer is OK.  Nobody is trampled to death, you see.

Stoning of the wall goes back to prophet Abraham, its just part of the ritual of doing the pillgrimage.

wally1 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:28pm: wally1 wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm: Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death. Not for the firts time, though: • 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims. • 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual. • 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge. • 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives. • 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. • 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned.  And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them. Kissing and bowing your head to a wailing wall is ok is it? Yeah, it's OK. Quiet prayer is OK.  Nobody is trampled to death, you see. Stoning of the wall goes back to prophet Abraham, its just part of the ritual of doing the pillgrimage.

No it doesn't.

It's a medieval invention.

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:35pm: Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:28pm: wally1 wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm: Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death. Not for the firts time, though: • 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims. • 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual. • 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge. • 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives. • 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. • 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned.  And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them. Kissing and bowing your head to a wailing wall is ok is it? Yeah, it's OK. Quiet prayer is OK.  Nobody is trampled to death, you see. Stoning of the wall goes back to prophet Abraham, its just part of the ritual of doing the pillgrimage. No it doesn't. It's a medieval invention.

Medieval like your posts

Religion is bloody stupid and should be consigned to the history bin. Superstitious nonsense!

Muttley wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 3:09pm:

Ya still think he's a girl ?......jeez Herb anybody can see its a guy called Marlon (not Brando - he slid off the plate long ago)...... If he'll "walk for weed" what else will he do? ;D

Marla is a dude? Surely not.

You're a sheila aren't you, Marla?

Show us your tits and that'll settle this once and for all.

How about a bit of burlesque while you're at it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVKpVEGcoA

wally1 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:28pm: wally1 wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 4:04pm: Two to three million people gather to throw pebbles at a wall and 700 of them are trampled to death. Not for the firts time, though: • 2 July 1990 - a stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina led to the death of 1,426 pilgrims. • 23 May 1994 - a stampede killed 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the devil ritual. • 9 April 1998 - at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge. • 11 February 2003 - the stoning of the devil ritual claimed 14 lives. • 1 February 2004 - a total of 251 pilgrims died and 244 were injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina. • 12 January 2006 - a stampede during the stoning of the devil claimed 346 pilgrims and injured 289. The incident happened when travellers arrived together to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal crush. They travel to the middle of the desert to throw pebbles at a wall. Because that wall is the devil and the devil must be stoned.  And then they want you to think that there is nothing odd or strange about them. Kissing and bowing your head to a wailing wall is ok is it? Yeah, it's OK. Quiet prayer is OK.  Nobody is trampled to death, you see. Stoning of the wall goes back to prophet Abraham, its just part of the ritual of doing the pillgrimage.

no

1996 crush record 1400, this year only 700 odd ... come on stupid mussies try harder next year  ;D, won't be long before they are holding the hajj in Berlin and Australia's idiot left will be crying because its not in Sydney.  :D

Yes, hillarious isnt it

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

1996 crush record 1400, this year only 700 odd ... come on stupid mussies try harder next year  ;D, won't be long before they are holding the hajj in Berlin and Australia's idiot left will be crying because its not in Sydney.  :D

They'll beat the record that's for sure. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me.

We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was.....

It was God's will


:D

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was..... It was God's will :D

We maybe they have seen the light and realized YAWEH has had enough of the silly false satanic god allah.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Yes, hillarious isnt it

no, it's disappointing.

muslim underachievers

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 9:14pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was..... It was God's will :D We maybe they have seen the light and realized YAWEH has had enough of the silly false satanic god allah.

Yep.

Ha! I think I know who you are now lol  :P

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was..... It was God's will :D

"God's will" - my arse.

The Saudis are trying to wriggle out of paying compensation to the victim's families.

Hmm I am me I guess.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me.

Kill them.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Muttley wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 3:09pm: Ya still think he's a girl ?......jeez Herb anybody can see its a guy called Marlon (not Brando - he slid off the plate long ago)...... If he'll "walk for weed" what else will he do? ;D Marla is a dude? Surely not. You're a sheila aren't you, Marla? Show us your tits and that'll settle this once and for all. How about a bit of burlesque while you're at it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVKpVEGcoA

Sorry, Herb. Burlesque/stripping is only for women who want to attend law school. Have we not learned anything from watching Jerry Springer? And who names their kid "Marlon"?

i




bvvv
Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. Kill them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxD-5z_xHBU

.. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis.

How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing.

What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry....

Muslim pancake. Imagine the smell.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 6:25am:

.. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis. How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing. What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry....

Zealotry was not the cause of the stampede.

Marla wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 2:47am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:28pm: Muttley wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 3:09pm: Ya still think he's a girl ?......jeez Herb anybody can see its a guy called Marlon (not Brando - he slid off the plate long ago)...... If he'll "walk for weed" what else will he do? ;D Marla is a dude? Surely not. You're a sheila aren't you, Marla? Show us your tits and that'll settle this once and for all. How about a bit of burlesque while you're at it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVKpVEGcoA Sorry, Herb. Burlesque/stripping is only for women who want to attend law school. Have we not learned anything from watching Jerry Springer? And who names their kid "Marlon"?

Keith Richards.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:01am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:25am: .. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis. How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing. What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry.... Zealotry was not the cause of the stampede.

You are either thick, or a mussey.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 6:25am:

.. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis. How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing. What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry....

The west should sit back and take bets and let them continue to kill their own. Then roll in later and take out the left overs.

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. Kill them.

Derr

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:01am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:25am: .. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis. How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing. What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry.... Zealotry was not the cause of the stampede.

True. It was not the cause....it was BEHIND the cause.

what does that mean Lisa?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:41am:

what does that mean Lisa?

Ohhh you're here!

Good.

Muslims are easily pleased -

give them a wall & a few stones to throw at it.

What pathetic imbeciles.

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

1996 crush record 1400, this year only 700 odd ... come on stupid mussies try harder next year  ;D, won't be long before they are holding the hajj in Berlin and Australia's idiot left will be crying because its not in Sydney.  :D

Screw you and your friggin' bigotry. Same for Herb and cycle boy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:01am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:25am: .. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis. How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing. What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry.... Zealotry was not the cause of the stampede.

Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years. You look at Muslims on hajj, Muslims pouring into Europe, the picture is always the same - large, disorderly unruly crowds.



2004: A crush of pilgrims at Mina kills 244 pilgrims and injures hundreds on the final day of the hajjceremonies.

2001: A stampede at Mina during the final day of the pilgrimage ceremonies kills 35 hajj pilgrims.

1998: About 180 pilgrims are trampled to death in panic after several of them fell off an overpass during the final stoning ritual at Mina.

1997: At least 340 pilgrims are killed in a fire at the tent city of Mina as the blaze was aided by high winds. More than 1,500 were injured.

1994: Some 270 pilgrims are killed in a stampede during the stoning ritual at Mina.

1990: The worst hajj-related tragedy claims the lives of 1,426 pilgrims in a stampede in an overcrowded pedestrian tunnel leading to holy sites in Mecca.


Google 'Christian stampede' and you get nothing.

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:01am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:25am: .. another 700 Khoran Kaffirs out of the way....... no need to war with Islam since it does enough damage to itself on a daily basis. How unimaginable that a group of religious devotees will literally stampede and knock each other down and trample one another in their zealotry.... goes to show the kind of non-thinking that goes into the whole thing. What's killed more Muslims than Allied Bombing?  Islamic zealotry.... Zealotry was not the cause of the stampede. Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years. You look at Muslims on hajj, Muslims pouring into Europe, the picture is always the same - large, disorderly unruly crowds. 2004: A crush of pilgrims at Mina kills 244 pilgrims and injures hundreds on the final day of the hajjceremonies. 2001: A stampede at Mina during the final day of the pilgrimage ceremonies kills 35 hajj pilgrims. 1998: About 180 pilgrims are trampled to death in panic after several of them fell off an overpass during the final stoning ritual at Mina. 1997: At least 340 pilgrims are killed in a fire at the tent city of Mina as the blaze was aided by high winds. More than 1,500 were injured. 1994: Some 270 pilgrims are killed in a stampede during the stoning ritual at Mina. 1990: The worst hajj-related tragedy claims the lives of 1,426 pilgrims in a stampede in an overcrowded pedestrian tunnel leading to holy sites in Mecca. Google 'Christian stampede' and you get nothing.

1990. What a great result. 700 is a fair result though. Next year they'll do better.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was..... It was God's will :D

Yeah, God wants a few hundred pilgrims to be trampled to death by other pilgrims.  Is there a message there that these guys are not getting?  Something like, 'what the hell are you guys doing?!?! Are you outa your minds??"  Allahu Akhbar, geddit? He's telling Muslims to ease up on the superstition.

Yes, I am aware that with their superstition and ignorance they have declared war on Western ideas like Pluralism, but I can't take any satisfaction in people getting killed in a stampede, no matter how stupid they and their religion are.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Muslims are easily pleased - give them a wall & a few stones to throw at it. What pathetic imbeciles.

Yes bobby, they need a wailing wall where they can bang their head and thrust their pelvis.

What is it with religious ceremonies and walls?

At least the Christians don't need a wall, they can just say sorry and they're saved from purgatory.....too easy?

.....or too lazy to go to a wall?

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 9:14pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was..... It was God's will :D Yeah, God wants a few hundred pilgrims to be trampled to death by other pilgrims.  Is there a message there that these guys are not getting?  Something like, 'what the hell are guys doing?!?! Are you outa your minds??"  Allahu Akhbar, geddit? He's telling Muslims to ease up on the superstition.

Gods will?

.....or just a mass of people too eager to get in the good books with him.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:39am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 9:14pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:34am: Death cult, fanatics, mass deaths, ..................... sounds like islam to me. We heard on tonight's news that the official press release statement from their govt re the latest incident was..... It was God's will :D Yeah, God wants a few hundred pilgrims to be trampled to death by other pilgrims.  Is there a message there that these guys are not getting?  Something like, 'what the hell are you guys doing?!?! Are you outa your minds??"  Allahu Akhbar, geddit? He's telling Muslims to ease up on the superstition. Gods will? .....or just a mass of people too eager to get in the good books with him.

Well, they believe it's god's will - but blame the Saudi authorities or the pilgrims.

They are not blaming god. What god is saying to them, though, is, 'Guys, enough wioth the mindless superstition.'

But they only hear what they want to hear.

:-/

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years.

You were going so well up to this point. For a fleeting moment I thought you were actually going to make an insightful point about the inherent risks of having 2 million people together in one place and the need to implement more stringent controls.

but then you descended into...


Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

You look at Muslims ... [blah blah blah]

Ah yes of course - its a 'muslim thing'. Thanks for bringing up back to earth Soren  :P

many blessings ,

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=328_1443206806

anyone gleaning joy from this event

is not heart centered .. fear not beloveds ,

ye know not what ye do

you are forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Muslims are easily pleased - give them a wall & a few stones to throw at it. What pathetic imbeciles.

many blessings

such hatred in your life ,

humble like the dust ?

you are forgiven

so be at peace

namaste

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years. You were going so well up to this point. For a fleeting moment I thought you were actually going to make an insightful point about the inherent risks of having 2 million people together in one place and the need to implement more stringent controls. but then you descended into... Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: You look at Muslims ... [blah blah blah] Ah yes of course - its a 'muslim thing'. Thanks for bringing up back to earth Soren  :P

yes, mecca is a 'muslim thing'

same as terrorism.

Mecca is the Islamic Disney Land.

What do we have lets see.

Come to Mecca with your brothers only, non muslims NOT WELCOME!

Right there you are at a home. No need to explain your religions failures historically and scientifically and theologically right there.

Lets see.

We have Ihram where you must first work yourself up into a state that we call holiness, most forms accepted and here we wack on a dress code also so you feel welcome and part of the festivities.

Next we have Tawaf , enter a big assed Grand Mosque, and walk seven times around a meteorite stone and kiss it if you don't get killed in the frenzied trampling ritual. If you feel you cant get in their just point to it that will do. Then chuck in a couple prayers for posterity.

Moving right along next we have Sa'ay here we have our aerobics workout where you can run or walk between a couple hills if it gets too hot you can use our state of the art air conditioned tunnels. Kids love this one since its a bad ass desert. Here we take a hair sample as well but remember only run between the two green pillars we are not responsible for what may happen to you if you don't.


On Dhu al-Hijjah you can just hang and pray and relax.
The second day we repent at arafat until the sun sets. You really need to do this one or you wont be allowed on any other rides.

Here is a personal fav of mine only here at Mecca do you get to stone the devil cause after all he is just a set of 3 pillars batteries sold separately

After that you can kick back at some good old fashioned BBQ  and slaughter some animals and kick back and reminisce at the plagiarizing and remake of the story of abraham and ishmael and isaac.

Moving right along into the Tawaf Al-Ifaadah ride through the mosque again for another tawaf.

On the fourth day you get to chuck more stones and rocks because lets face it those bad assed pillars just need to go. This is great for the inner child in all of us.

After cracking out a Tawaf al-Wida bid farewell to your brothers in arms you are on your way.

Dress ups, stone throwing with the best of em and the meteorite rock washing machine whats not to enjoy.

Stuff Disneyland / Tomorrow World and Dance festivals here at Mecca gods got you covered.

Literally.

they simply worship the cube

the hexagon

http://theopenscroll.com/images/cubeKaabaBlackStone.jpg

https://i1.wp.com/cube-it.webs.com/Saturn%20Hexagon.jpg

saturn worship

some say satan

dancing around the cube

we observe

namaste

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Mecca is the Islamic Disney Land. What do we have lets see. Come to Mecca with your brothers only, non muslims NOT WELCOME! Right there you are at a home. No need to explain your religions failures historically and scientifically and theologically right there. Lets see. We have Ihram where you must first work yourself up into a state that we call holiness, most forms accepted and here we wack on a dress code also so you feel welcome and part of the festivities. Next we have Tawaf , enter a big assed Grand Mosque, and walk seven times around a meteorite stone and kiss it if you don't get killed in the frenzied trampling ritual. If you feel you cant get in their just point to it that will do. Then chuck in a couple prayers for posterity. Moving right along next we have Sa'ay here we have our aerobics workout where you can run or walk between a couple hills if it gets too hot you can use our state of the art air conditioned tunnels. Kids love this one since its a bad ass desert. Here we take a hair sample as well but remember only run between the two green pillars we are not responsible for what may happen to you if you don't. On Dhu al-Hijjah you can just hang and pray and relax. The second day we repent at arafat until the sun sets. You really need to do this one or you wont be allowed on any other rides. Here is a personal fav of mine only here at Mecca do you get to stone the devil cause after all he is just a set of 3 pillars batteries sold separately After that you can kick back at some good old fashioned BBQ  and slaughter some animals and kick back and reminisce at the plagiarizing and remake of the story of abraham and ishmael and isaac. Moving right along into the Tawaf Al-Ifaadah ride through the mosque again for another tawaf. On the fourth day you get to chuck more stones and rocks because lets face it those bad assed pillars just need to go. This is great for the inner child in all of us. After cracking out a Tawaf al-Wida bid farewell to your brothers in arms you are on your way. Dress ups, stone throwing with the best of em and the meteorite rock washing machine whats not to enjoy. Stuff Disneyland / Tomorrow World and Dance festivals here at Mecca gods got you covered. Literally.

thanks for your information.

that is not a spiritual experience.
That is not enlightening.
that is a dogmatic cult.

I liked the way they stole the meteorite from the quraish tribe (pagans) Moon God Hubal worshiping and rolled it into islam and shoved it in the black box and said kiss it ROFL.

PURE GOLD.

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:52pm:

they simply worship the cube the hexagon http://theopenscroll.com/images/cubeKaabaBlackStone.jpg https://i1.wp.com/cube-it.webs.com/Saturn%20Hexagon.jpg saturn worship some say satan dancing around the cube we observe namaste

I was going to post an image from '2001, A Space Odyssey' as a parody.
But '2001' is spiritual and meaningful.

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:56pm:

I liked the way they stole the meteorite from the quraish tribe (pagans) Moon God Hubal worshiping and rolled it into islam and shoved it in the black box and said kiss it ROFL. PURE GOLD.

many blessings

well versed you are

https://alwaysproventrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kaaba-stone-being-touched.jpg

http://shell.lava.net/ohol_yaohushua/fatahmecca03.jpg

namaste

Thank you light, you seem quite switch on yourself.

Bloody hell. What a pack of nutters!!! A meteorite in a metal eye socket. :D :D :D :D

Quote:

.............................A tale recorded by Ibn Al-Kalbi has Muhammad's grandfather Abdul Mutallib vowing to sacrifice one of his ten children. He consulted the arrows of Hubal to find out which child he should chose. The arrows pointed to his son Abd-Allah, the future father of Muhammad. However, he was saved when 100 camels were sacrificed in his place. According to Tabari, Abdul Mutallib later also brought the infant Muhammad himself before the image.[4] After defeat by Muhammad's forces at the Battle of Badr, Abu Sufyan ibn Harb, leader of the Quraysh army, is said to have called on Hubal for support to gain victory in their next battle, saying "Show your superiority, Hubal". [5] When Muhammad conquered Mecca in 630, he removed and had destroyed the statue of Hubal, along with the other 360 images at the Kaaba, and re-dedicated the structure to Allah.[6]........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Thank you light, you seem quite switch on yourself.

Some dim people think Lighty is foolish.

I have known lighty for some time and found him to be honest and a good being.
His beliefs are not mine and he and I certainly exist in peace here.

double plus good wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Bloody hell. What a pack of nutters!!! A meteorite in a metal eye socket. :D :D :D :D

Thats it mate, good ole Moon God Hubal worshippers but allah is really abrahams god ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:02pm: Thank you light, you seem quite switch on yourself. Some dim people think Lighty is foolish. I have known lighty for some time and found him to be honest and a good being. His beliefs are not mine and he and I certainly exist in peace here.

many blessings sprinter it is so

for all are truly loved

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:10am: Muslims are easily pleased - give them a wall & a few stones to throw at it. What pathetic imbeciles. many blessings such hatred in your life , humble like the dust ? you are forgiven so be at peace namaste

Dear master Light,

I don't want to be forgiven for that -

Muslims are imbeciles -

throwing stones at a wall.

I've got an idea for a business -

I'll charge Muslims $5 to throw some stones at a wall.

A better deal than flying to Saudi Arabia!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:02pm: Thank you light, you seem quite switch on yourself. Some dim people think Lighty is foolish. I have known lighty for some time and found him to be honest and a good being. His beliefs are not mine and he and I certainly exist in peace here.

Life would be boring if we all thought the same when it came to the minor details.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:10am: Muslims are easily pleased - give them a wall & a few stones to throw at it. What pathetic imbeciles. many blessings such hatred in your life , humble like the dust ? you are forgiven so be at peace namaste Dear master Light, I don't want to be forgiven for that - Muslims are imbeciles - throwing stones at a wall. I've got an idea for a business - I'll charge Muslims $5 to throw some stones at a wall. A better deal than flying to Saudi Arabia!

many blessings

ye have much to learn grasshopper

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/j1wjvP-raOI/hqdefault.jpg

and so be it, we continue ..

http://www.ibtimes.com/what-kaaba-black-cube-marking-islams-most-sacred-site-sparks-curiosity-1699203

What Is The Kaaba? Black Cube Marking Islam's Most Sacred Site Sparks Curiosity

By Amethyst Tate @ammiet1 a.tate@ibtimes.com on October 03 2014 2:10 PM EDT

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/10/03/kaab.jpg


Muslim pilgrims pray around the holy Kaaba at the Grand Mosque in Mecca Sept. 30, 2014. Reuters
Every year millions of Muslims travel to Mecca for the hajj, one of the five pillars of Islam. Muslims travel to Islam’s most sacred mosque, al-Masjid al-Haram, during the six-day pilgrimage. Mecca is thought to be the place where Ishmael and his mother Hagar were provided with a spring of water in the desert. As it is the most sacred place in Islam, non-Muslims are forbidden from entering.

In the center of the mosque, there is a black, box-shaped building, which has sparked questions from those unfamiliar with the Islamic culture. Here is everything to know about the most sacred space in the Muslim world.

What is the cube-shaped structure called?

It is called the Kaaba, or "the cube."

Is there anything inside?

The Kaaba is built around a sacred black stone, a meteorite that Muslims believe was placed by Abraham and Ishmael in a corner of the Kaaba, a symbol of God's covenant with Abraham and Ishmael and, by extension, with the Muslim community itself. It is embedded in the eastern corner of the Kaaba.

What is the historical significance of the Kaaba?

Muslims believe the Kaaba was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael, but the site was re-dedicated by Muhammad and has been reconstructed since. When Muslims pray, wherever they are, they turn toward the Kaaba, and during the hajj, pilgrims walk counterclockwise around it seven times.

What is the Kaaba made of?

The Kaaba is made of granite from the hills near Mecca. The structure is 50 feet high (15.24 meters), 35 feet (10.67 meters) wide and 40 feet long (12.19 meters) long. Inside the Kaaba, the floor is made of marble and limestone. The interior walls, measuring 43 feet (13 meters) by 30 feet (9 meters), are clad with tiled, white marble halfway to the roof, with darker trimmings along the floor. It is covered by a black silk cloth decorated with gold-embroidered calligraphy. This cloth is known as the kiswa, and it is replaced yearly.


namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 9:56pm: I liked the way they stole the meteorite from the quraish tribe (pagans) Moon God Hubal worshiping and rolled it into islam and shoved it in the black box and said kiss it ROFL. PURE GOLD. many blessings well versed you are https://alwaysproventrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kaaba-stone-being-touched.jpg http://shell.lava.net/ohol_yaohushua/fatahmecca03.jpg namaste

It looks like a urinal.
What would they do if I pissed into it?


https://alwaysproventrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kaaba-stone-being-touched.jpg

http://shell.lava.net/ohol_yaohushua/fatahmecca03.jpg

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 6:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:13pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:10am: Muslims are easily pleased - give them a wall & a few stones to throw at it. What pathetic imbeciles. many blessings such hatred in your life , humble like the dust ? you are forgiven so be at peace namaste Dear master Light, I don't want to be forgiven for that - Muslims are imbeciles - throwing stones at a wall. I've got an idea for a business - I'll charge Muslims $5 to throw some stones at a wall. A better deal than flying to Saudi Arabia! many blessings ye have much to learn grasshopper

I'll never understand religious fanatics.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years. You were going so well up to this point. For a fleeting moment I thought you were actually going to make an insightful point about the inherent risks of having 2 million people together in one place and the need to implement more stringent controls. but then you descended into... Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: You look at Muslims ... [blah blah blah] Ah yes of course - its a 'muslim thing'. Thanks for bringing up back to earth Soren  :P

The very idea that 2 million people will come together to pelt a column of stone with pebbles is bizarre in the extreme.  That such people will regularly trample each other to death seems unsurprising.

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:49pm: Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years. You were going so well up to this point. For a fleeting moment I thought you were actually going to make an insightful point about the inherent risks of having 2 million people together in one place and the need to implement more stringent controls. but then you descended into... Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: You look at Muslims ... [blah blah blah] Ah yes of course - its a 'muslim thing'. Thanks for bringing up back to earth Soren  :P The very idea that 2 million people will come together to pelf a column of stone with pebbles is bizarre in the extreme.  That such people will regularly trample each other to death seems unsurprising.

it would seem strange they have not come up with a one way in and another way to exit..... traffic is traffic..
whether its walking or driving it needs rules..

as we know this has happened more than once..its a high price to pay for observance. :(

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:49pm: Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: Disorderliness is.  If it happened once, it would be a tragedy. If it happened twice, it would be a tragedy with an urgent call to corrective action. But it is happening regularly, every few years. You were going so well up to this point. For a fleeting moment I thought you were actually going to make an insightful point about the inherent risks of having 2 million people together in one place and the need to implement more stringent controls. but then you descended into... Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: You look at Muslims ... [blah blah blah] Ah yes of course - its a 'muslim thing'. Thanks for bringing up back to earth Soren  :P The very idea that 2 million people will come together to pelf a column of stone with pebbles is bizarre in the extreme.  That such people will regularly trample each other to death seems unsurprising.

I can fix it -

I'll charge Muslims $5 to throw some stones at a wall.

A better deal than flying to Saudi Arabia & a lot safer!

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:00am: You look at Muslims ... [blah blah blah] Ah yes of course - its a 'muslim thing'. Thanks for bringing up back to earth Soren  :P

Papal visits around the world draw crowds of a million and more, in rich countries and poor ones.  I can't recall a single stampede in the last few decades. Can you, Gandy?

Quite a contrast between the 'Muslim thing' and the 'Christian thing', no?  Should I apologise to Muslims for noticing?

Although not really a fan of them except when travelling,

I will stick to an occasional visit to Maccas

Sounds a lot safer to me,

I guess one could throw the McMuffins if they were stale!

;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHO4i_iMEfk

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