Post by Johnsmith on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:31pm
cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:23am:
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Title: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:15pm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tony-jones-william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-jailed-for-molesting-young-child/story-fni0cx12-1227544057826
this person is given 2 years for child molestation...unbelievable.. but wait theres more.... >:( >:( a mother who stood by whilst her defacto beat her child to such a stage he thought he had killed him...and she did nothing.. the child is now disabled... is sentenced to 2 years..... a MOTHER............ words escape me... 2 years is an insult in anyone language...we all know it will be lucky if they serve even 1 year... the fabric of this country isnt being destroyed by ICE... more like weak pathetic courts. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:24pm
Now you are getting onside with my call for a Royal Commission Into The Judiciary and Into Jurisprudence..... this is one side of the question - the other is the amazing prevalence of false conviction and dismal abrogation of legal rights as a matter of course in the 'courts'.
These 'courts' are not worthy of the name as they currently operate, and are nothing more than legitimised theft of rights, money, and reputations on whim. They would do any Third World dictatorship proud..... |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:28pm cods wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
It appalls every civilised person that a mother would not defend her child with her life... I hope the guilty - if and when he is found guilty since he has pleaded not guilty - bastard gets ten years at least. What can possibly justify an adult bashing a child? For those who do not know - I come from just such a background of parental bashing of children - and MY children have never felt so much as a serious slap on the bum - let alone a bashing. I cannot accept that a grown man could have reason to bash a child - a toddler... Fer Shaitan's Sake.... |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Unforgiven on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:59pm cods wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Freemasons. There has to be some reward for being a Freemason and a Liberal Party member. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:09pm Unforgiven wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:59pm:
Unforgiven...you've clearly missed your afternoon meds. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Lisa Jones on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:13pm cods wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Cods....that guy will be out in ONE YEAR. ONE FREAKING YEAR. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Black Orchid on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:17pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:28pm:
Impossible to comprehend isn't it. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Very_Vinnie on Sep 25th, 2015 at 10:02pm cods wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
It's actually "reality" television More SPECIFICALLY - The Bachelorette |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:47am Very_Vinnie wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 10:02pm:
so you are ok with our rate of bashing children and killing or leaving them disabled..... good to kn ow.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( I do hope you have trouble sleeping. >:( |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:54am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
Sol.Gen. Michael Sexton SC has called for juries to be given details of past convictions ...can anyone understand why a murderers history is kept from the jury until the day after the trial ends????... if a jury can take into account a person claiming they were abused as a child... then why not their record ???????????????????????????????????.. I am sorry it doesnt make sense to me... 2 years in anyones book is an INSULT... these people who damage kids.. should never be allowed to have more children...sterilising should be mandatory they have given up that right of passage.. at least 10 years nothing will undo what they have done... but 2 years has got to be totally meaningless... |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Dame Pansi on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:10am It's insane....an Aboriginal intellectually disabled woman did longer for unpaid fines in the NT. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:17am
Cods - the law says that a jury can only determine guilt on the matter(s) before the court - not on reputation etc.
You will have fought savagely for the right of a woman in a rape case to not be pilloried for past sexual conduct, which has nothing to do with the case before the court - that of a specific incident. No - past history is only taken into account in sentencing, because the law requires conviction on properly proven fact relating directly to the incident under scrutiny - not to anything else. We already have a Star Chamber here that even leads to people being charged - the hidden police CNI system that allows any interpretation against an individual at any time, and has done so. We also have endemic false accusation and false conviction based on bias, presumption, assumption, discrimination, innuendo, perjury, and inference rather than on fully proven fact in the lowest courts in the land - those run by the corrupt magistrates. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Redneck on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:15am
I find it amazing how many of these men are not the biological fathers of the children they bash. (Boyfriends, defactos etc)
Says a lot also about the mother that stands by while the bastard bashes her kid. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Gnads on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:27am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:17am:
So in that case then no consideration of how they were treated as children can be used as an excuse .... the point that has been previously raised. No admission of past record .... then no admission of childhood abuse as an excuse or defence. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Redneck on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:35am Gnads wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:27am:
Am I wrong in saying that the Judge can take into account past criminal history when sentencing? That is after the perp has been found guilty. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:36am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 7:17am:
oh come off it????.... they are so rare it isnt even funny..... just because a few do the wrong thing or make mistakes.. why does that mean the majority get a free kick...????.. dont tell me you are one of those who supports a dodgy teams player for a lifting tackle but not when its a player from the team you support... ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:45am Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:35am:
he /she would only be sentenced IF THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY... the guilty one could have the most horrendous record but can only be sentenced on the findings of this particular charge.... the trouble with the jury not knowing any previous is they could be misguided into believing butter wouldnt melt in this persons mouth..... as grap has said.. at one stage women who were raped or cried rape where pilloried in court every corner their life style was mentioned...very one sided...yet it was legal... we seem to protect villains which is fine in most cases but not all...yet the rules/.laws cover all.. to my mind some people forfeit their rights through pure behavior. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Muttley on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:01am
As the saying goes, “the law is an ass”. The Judiciary in Australia and UK are a bunch of softcock, politely correct idiots. It’s been that way for decades, the police catch them and the Courts set them free.
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Unforgiven on Sep 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm Muttley wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:01am:
Why don't you turn on the light instead of cursing the darkness. If your belief is that the law is wrong do something instead of just barking aimlessly and pointlessly. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 26th, 2015 at 1:23pm cods wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
It would be instructive for you to observe that the information you get from the media is very limited and usually hysterical and/or biased. You will see that some cases of child abuse gets sentences of almost 20 years. One guy in SA got 36 years. And then others get 2 years. The hint may be that sentences are given that fit the crime. These judges are not out of touch at all. In fact, they are much more in touch than you or I are. They see this day in, day out. They see the minor offences and the appalling other end of the scale and judge accordingly. One day go to the courts and watch a major trial the while way through. Then observe how the media reports are at best sensationalised, if not flat-out misrepresenting. A major research project used normal non-legally trained civilians to watch trials and then to assessed sentences themselves. In almost every case the civilians produced sentences in line with the judge. That is because they possessed ALL the facts and not the SMH there paragraph version of it. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 26th, 2015 at 1:26pm cods wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 6:54am:
There is very good reason for it. It is called 'the presumption of innocence'. A prior conviction is not proof of a current offence and is considered to be potentially prejudicial and if you want to know why that is the case then just read this thread. It is full of people who would convict a person of a current charge on the basis of a previous conviction. It is controversial, but if the crown cannot make their case without bringing up the defendant's previous history, then their case is too weak. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 26th, 2015 at 1:31pm cods wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:45am:
The problem with much of what you just wrote is that it is PRE-judgement. Our entire legal system is based on presumption of innocence. This is in place to protect the innocent from wrongful conviction and must be defended at all costs. Yes, some guilty will go free, but that is always preferable to the innocent going to jail. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by miketrees on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:59pm
Yes, some guilty will go free, but that is always preferable to the innocent going to jail.
This bit is a tiny bit ok, but I think the whole thread is about people that have been found guilty being given inappropriate punishment. I know its an old joke but its still true,,, we have a legal system NOT a justice system. The problem with our legal system is,, its full of lawyers. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 26th, 2015 at 4:01pm miketrees wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
'Appropriate punishment' can only be determined by people in full possession of the facts - ie no one outside the court-room. Judges have sentencing guidelines to work with as well as the ACts of parliament. But their primary guiding principle is that two people who have committed essentially the same crime should receive the same penalty. In fact, appeals are often won on that basis alone. Most people don't truly understand what 'justice' even is. They think of it largely in medieval terms such as revenge. This country's justice system is arguably among the best in the world. Look at the USA and its monstrous scales of penalties where you can get 40 years jail for 'inappropriate contact' with a minor but 20 years for murder. Give me our system any day of the week. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Muttley on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:17pm
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Unforgiven wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 12:13pm:
How do you know I haven't? I spent 28 years "doing something" and I am not a politician, so I'll leave it to your limited imagination to formulate a strategy to solve the problem, instead of posting inane, vague pearls of wisdom which mean absolutely sweet FA......... |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Unforgiven on Sep 26th, 2015 at 10:13pm Muttley wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:17pm:
You would benefit from anger management instruction. At the very least the quality of your cursing of the darkness could improve. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 26th, 2015 at 11:57pm
The saying "the Law is an ass' was meant to indicate that it was viewed as a beast of burden by anyone and everyone... not that it was stupid.
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:04am Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:35am:
You are 100% correct. cods has it wrong - the jury will not hear of past abuse etc - the sentencing judge will hear that as mitigation for penalty for the conviction, which conviction is up to the jury. If a bullshit line is being spun about 'I was sexually abused by my pet hamster at the age of three and then by my ferrets at puberty' - I doubt the judge will accept it. The girl who did the primary school shooting in the US years ago has tried to get parole by saying she was abused by her father - she never brought that up before.... and the parole board refused to accept it. It isn't just cut and dried, and everyone knows there are people who will claim abuse or similar to try to get out of something. That's the theory anyway. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Muttley on Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:53am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
However, the usual interpretation of it is that it provides no natural justice.........go back to google. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:07am Muttley wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 8:53am:
'natural justice' is a curious thing in that it s defined subjectively. One of the pillars of our legal system is that justice is applied dispassionately and evenly and... fairly. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:11am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:04am:
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT... its the jury that brings in the GUILT OR NOT GUILTY VERDICT.. how can a judge sentence someone on his past record.... if he is not being tried on his past record..... give us a break... a man is charged with rape... one case of rape.. he has a past record of multiple rape.... the jury find him guilty of one rape... the judge then sentences him to jail for his past rapes is that what you are saying/??????? we are not talking about America there system changes with the State... no one is suggesting the jury decide what the jail term will be....what this SC is suggesting is that in serious cases the jury should be made aware of previous.... you kn ow I think you would be devastated if your daughter lost a case of rape on some small technicality only to find out in the news the next day this person had been changed with rape over many years....and was a repeat offender... I know I would be as angry as hell....there are many people walking our streets who have really no right to be doing so...but those who let them out are not allowed to know what they are capable of doing.... and they do use the excuse mechanism like it or not... the jury hears it.....hes had drug problems...he was abused for years...just because you say one jury didnt buy it doesnt mean none of them do.. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:13am mariacostel wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:07am:
well two years for sexually abusing a child and 2 years for standing by while your defacto send your child into a world of damage is beyond my comprehension of what justice is.........if they had robbed a bank they would have got more...it doesnt do it for me.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Very_Vinnie on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:35am Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:35am:
Yes This is ABSOLUTELY correct Jury members and the "man on the street" are NOTORIOUS for letting EMOTION get in the way of JUSTICE when it comes to determining balance in sentencing |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Muttley on Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:28am mariacostel wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:07am:
But we know that is not always the case. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by bogarde73 on Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:31am
Yep there is something wrong . . .and it's called lawyers.
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by miketrees on Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:43am
I would have to think long and hard about ever trying to use our legal system.
Even my lawyer told me, some times its better to work "outside the law" |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by aussie100percent on Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:47am bogarde73 wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 11:31am:
;D ;D ;D F..F..SAKE How would you be if your lawyer was aussie the Indian taxi drive... ;D ;D ;D F.U.C.K.E.D |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by perceptions_now on Sep 27th, 2015 at 12:00pm
There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE system!
I agree, there are "some" things, with the Justice system, which are neither Just, nor Right!! AND, it is not just the Justice system, which has gone wrong (to the dark side)!!! |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 27th, 2015 at 4:45pm cods wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 9:11am:
None of us is missing the point - we all know the jury finds one way or another ON THE FACTS OF THE MATTER ONLY - and the judge does the sentencing. There was a famous sketch in which a jury foreman was asked to say why they'd found the defendant guilty - the foreman said "We think he is". When challenged by the judge to explain, he said:- "He looks guilty!" and so on.... No - a jury should not hear any issue other than the current one before the court. In the case that a jury is enabled to make a recommendation on sentencing, it is only AFTER a finding of guilty that they may hear evidence of past offences etc. That is why the media need to be kept on a tight rein in many cases, and are expressly forbidden to say the defendant had a long history of doing the same thing over and over. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by red baron on Sep 27th, 2015 at 5:08pm
When the Justice system gives an offender Life for Murder and that offender stays behind bars for the rest of their life then you can tell me the Justice system is for real.
As it stands, it is a dog's breakfast where offenders' rights often over rides Justice for the victims. The 'bleeding heart society' rules O.K. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:23am red baron wrote on Sep 27th, 2015 at 5:08pm:
a member of my family is now working in the Corrective Services dept.. yep thats what is called these days... ::) ::) so I ,look forward then again I dont think I do...to hearing what pandering goes on behind locked "cell"doors.. ::) ::).. I laugh at some of the judges I really do... they make judgements on what it says in a [law]book....they for the most part have never lived in the real world next door to real people who in some cases are capable of just about anything.... they live in ivory towers...shielded from the riff raff like thieves and vagabonds..by security that Mr and Mrs average can only dream about... yet they have the call.....Monis was allowed out in the world even though he had 40 rape charges to face...not to mention allegations of being involved with a murder.... yet I have yet to see any member of the Law society be stood down...as a consequence of two people dying because of their actions..which means these same people are still in charge of making serious decisions about bail and or jail terms.... the system is letting innocent people down left right and centre....it starts as far as I am concerned at the top. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:44am
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/william-tyrrell-paedophile-person-of-interest-anthony-jones-has-a-lengthy-record/story-fni0cx12-1227549626898
A PAEDOPHILE person of interest in the disappearance of William Tyrrell has a criminal record of more than 90 offences across NSW. Anthony “Tony” Jones, 59, was finally jailed last week for an aggravated indecent assault on a minor. However, before he was found guilty of preying on the defenceless child, Jones had a roll call of victims. Jones’ 27-page criminal record, spanning four decades, reveals the dole recipient and part-time scrap metal salesman has struck a child, attacked women, escaped police custody, stolen and intimidated police. Jones was a member of the Grandparents As Parents Again (GAPA) group that police believe harboured a paedophile ring operating on the mid-north coast when William was snatched. He also owned a white older model station wagon, which Strike Force Rosann detectives impounded for forensic examination three days after Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin revealed police were seeking information about a vehicle matching its description. On the morning tiny William vanished from his grandmother’s backyard in Kendall, near Port Macquarie, his mother spotted two older model vehicles parked across the road with the driver-side front windows wound down. One was a silver or grey sedan and one was a white station wagon Jones was convicted of hitting a child under 12 in November 1974 in his home town of Wellington. His first conviction for escaping lawful custody came the following December when he was sentenced to 18 months hard labour in the Bathurst District Court. In the following years Jones was found guilty of a slew of criminal acts, including stealing and setting fire to motor vehicles, breaking and entering, and causing malicious injury. In 1989 he was twice convicted of assaulting a woman. In 1991, in Broken Hill Local Court, Jones was convicted of five serious charges including drug possession and obtaining property by deception. He was later found guilty of using a telecommunication service for offensive means. 90 chg rap sheet but its best we dont know anything about that... ::) ::). hes just a naughty little boy. >:( |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:07am
The justice system is about how we deal with all offenders and those who are charged incorrectly. It has to deal with all manner of people and all manner of offences and it has to do so in a consistent and fair manner.
Cods, you express your disgust at a 2 years sentence for 'sexually abusing' a kid but those two words are the sum total of everything you know about what happened then. Now if you had been in court and in possession of the actual facts and not two simple but inciteful words you might hold a different opinion. Remember that the media at its best provides headlines and trivia about cases. At its worst it actually lies. The reasons that judges sentence differently to how you would is not because of their training or the biases you think they have but because they are in possession of the actual facts while you are in possession of a few sentences written by a court reporter who was also not in court very often either. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:23am mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:07am:
look I am not stupid...I really am not.. BUT SEXUAL ABUSE to me means SEXUAL ABUSE.. it is not verbal abuse or physical abuse.. it is SEXUAL....and as is the want in the case of paedophiles it is always a CHILD.. that mean if that CHILD lives to be 100 it lives with that horror all those years... it isnt like an adult who can fight back even run away.. what does a child know what they can do.??????... they depend on other adults to PROTECT them.. and YES that does mean our COURTS....someone has to give a damn about the CHILDREN whos lives in a lot of cases are ruined for ever more.. thanks to pure EVIL... you are basically saying,.. there are all levels of SEXUAL ABUSE.....no there isnt....its innocents being stolen because of some pervert who is protected .. its his right to protection no matter how bad his crime... he can come out in two years and do it all over again to some other innocent child...and you think I have it all wrong because I didnt sit in court and hear that he may have only had the child touch him... GREAT.. if he only touched or had the child touch him then thats not so bad... fantastic.. >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 30th, 2015 at 11:26am cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:23am:
And that is why people like you don't sit on the bench - fortunately. There is obviously a story behind your hysteria, but that doesn't make it any less uninformed. And if you think all sexual abuse is the same then you have some serious congnitive issues. I am sorry for whatever your story is, but you are still wrong even if understandably so. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 30th, 2015 at 12:54pm
I've worked out who maria is......... in this specific area 'she' seems to have a clear understanding as opposed to the areas of the economy and so forth. Now if the user name will just come to me......
One basic tenet of intelligence is that often you don't need to go out and dig it up - given time (not always the case) it will come to you.... |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Sep 30th, 2015 at 3:15pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Given your posts, are you really one to talk about 'intelligence'? |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:44pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
I am not sure what your comments have to do with this poic to be honest but I think everyone knows she is a he.. and the fact the she/he is sticking up for paedophiles makes it even more obvious... and no longweekend dont start a tit for tat.. this is far more important than your massive ego... Quote:
so you mean everyone is obliged to sit in every court case before they are allowed to make a comment in a public forum... IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? >:( >:( because your ignorant comment above smacks of that.. just like aussie you are right ev en when you are proved wrong and nobody else dares to disagree with you... well I do .. so if you dont like it dont talk back and dont talk DOWN to me...go somewhere else where others prefer to hit back at you rather than have a conv ersation about the topic.. maybe its you that has some form of STORY behind you constant support of paedophiles... I have yet to see a word from you in support of the child getting better justice for what they were put through...no its always in support of the perp...never fails.. which is of course is your right I am not against your opinion I just dont like you PUTTING ME DOWN because of mine thats all.. so get out of this thread if it offends you...I can promise you you wont be missed. feel free to start your own thread on the courts always get it right when it comes to SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN>>. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Aussie on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:57pm
cods, because someone disagrees with you does not make them a supporter of paedophilia.
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:27pm mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 3:15pm:
That Intelligence with a capital 'I'... you may come across it one day.... |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Johnsmith on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:31pm cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 9:23am:
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Kytro on Oct 1st, 2015 at 9:02am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 25th, 2015 at 7:13pm:
No. Two year non-parole, 3 year sentance |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Kytro on Oct 1st, 2015 at 9:04am
There are many things wrong with the justice system, but not being harsh enough, at least generally isn't one of them.
There is lack of focus on preventing crime, too much on "punishment" it's just turn-key, going through the motions with no thought to how it helps society at all. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:54am Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
Thanks. I would normally assume that to be somewhat obvious. I am a fan of being informed. I prefer to think and analyse before I lash out. Apparently Cods prefers headlines to substance. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 10:00am Kytro wrote on Oct 1st, 2015 at 9:04am:
The problem is that increased penalties do not act as a deterrent in general. Also, successive governments have under-funded the justice system to make wait times longer for trial and general understaffing. Also, dependence on jail is too strong. There are other penalties available that can be just as effective in providing rehabilitation and justice. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 10:03am cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:44pm:
Good one Cods. I have noted how a lot of people treat you with contempt and I was rather unhappy about it. But I see why they do. You are a hysterical old woman who long ago gave up the option of thinking. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Kytro on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:32am mariacostel wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 10:00am:
Absolutely. Despite the fact it has been shown time and again that harsher penalties do little to deter, they are often proposed. I also agree that funding needs to increase - specifically more "visible" policing, as this create deterrence, and more support for victims of crime. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:51am Kytro wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:32am:
More use of home detention or weekend jail etc can reduce the burden on our jails as well as not crush people who are convicted. Jail can destroy your life. Your career, your reputation and your family can all be toast. Often the crime is relatively trivial but still gets a custodial sentence. Making people unemployable after jail is hardly something to rehabilitate them. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by cods on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 12:07pm Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
ozzie this person says paedophiles ahve dont their time and there is no need for the public to be warned they could be living next door to them... ::) ::) he is a staunch supporter of paedophiles...no matter how bad their record...og course they dont wish to bring that up now do they...this person as you know has changed his id.. WHY DO THAT call me all the names under the sun as you big bwave lefties/wannabees are prone to do...but I have never changed my ID>.. I very almost never stoop to name calling as a way oif BULLYING someone off the forum either.. what I say about mari/longeweakend is true.. its what he has said for years... its not garbage like you guys write about me... he supports paedos.. women with children have no rights because this evil person has supposed to have done his time..... yeah tell that to Little William Tyrrells family who are dealing with someone who has 50 chgs on his record...some very much to do with child abuse...I am sure they will feel a whole lot better knowing people support secrecy where paedos are concerned... this believe you me is not about this person disagreeing with me... but of course he/she would much rather I didnt bring it up.. thats when the personal insults start.. funny how you never say a word about personal insults directed at cods.. isnt it??>>. ::) ::) mariacostel wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 10:03am:
I wont bother telling you what I think of this person.. very low down I prefer not to even think about this type. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Kytro on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 12:44pm cods wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:45am:
This isn't correct. Past crimes may be considered in sentencing. cods wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 8:45am:
The jury are supposed to determine guilt base don the evidence of the case at hand. It is only in rare circumstances such as unusual MO that past crimes have any bearing on the evidence of the of a current criminal accusation. Past crimes are not relevant in most cases because it's only evidence that they have in the past undertaken criminal behaviour, it in no way provides evidence they have committed this crime. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by Aussie on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 12:57pm Quote:
Nothing controversial about that. Quote:
I have not seen this person say that. Quote:
I have not seen any person take that position. Quote:
If you don't put rubbish in public places, you will not attract flies, cods. Quote:
Again, I have not seen any person take that position. Quote:
I did not know that the name of the missing boy was Little William Tyrell. Further, no-one has been charged with his disappearance either, so I have no idea what you are referring to. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 4:13pm cods wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 12:07pm:
You really are quite an offensive, small-minded old woman. I now understand the insults hurled at you. Apart from the continued idiocy of referring to me as this longy character, I do not support paedos and I am offended by the claim as would everybody else. And the trigger for this is non more than simply explaining something about sentencing that a simpleton could probably understand. It must be quite challenging for you to be sub-simpleton. You are a disgrace to the gender and to your age. You fullfill the stereotype of the stupid old woman with half a brain and a big mouth. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by skippy. on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:52am
I dont often defend cods but I will say there is a big difference between an offender that is given home detention for drug crimes and an offender that is the lowest life form on earth, a peadophile.
I think cods is astute enough to understand if it squeals like a pig and smells like a pig it is a pig. This world is rife with this scum being entrenched in powerful positions, even past PMs in the UK are under investigation, in the case of this scum we should always err on the side of caution. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 10:29am skippy. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 9:52am:
That wasn't the point. Cods asked what was a fair question - why does someone get 2 years jail and another 20 years for child sexual assault? The answer of course was probably fairly obvious - that there is a wide range of offences under that one title. It would explain also why one person gets fined for assault while another gets ten years jail. Not that difficult to comprehend I would think. But not so for cods. She went truly ballistic calling me a paedo supporter and a string of other disgraceful nonsense. And the cause of this? Answering the question she posed. She is a stupid, unpleasant person which explains why so many people think so badly of her. I imagine that I am not the first person to experience the drunk wrath of this dim-witted, angry woman. PS I am all for heavy sentences for child sex offences. However, I can both hold this opinion and retain the ability to think and understand at the same time. |
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by The Grappler on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:14pm
Please! Without cods the comedy quotient of the entire forum would go downhill like a runaway train over a cliff...
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Title: Re: There is something very wrong with our JUSTICE sys Post by mariacostel on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:00pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:
And the alcohol content. |
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