I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

The very idea is pure comedy given that direct action consists of paying billions of tax-payer money to big business to say "pretty please, can you reduce your emissions?" Which becomes even more of a farce now we know that most of the money has gone to emission-reducing projects that industry was going to do anyway!

This is billions of dollars that could be going into schools and hospitals. Not to mention the billions that have been lost in lost carbon tax revenue.

Tony should have asked Barnaby how much more his beloved constituency will be paying in medical bills because his government is diverting literally billions for a different carbon tax.

I have to admit, I had a good laugh when Tony kept asking him what the total cost of DA would be to get to the 30% reductions, when a 5% reduction was costing $2B

I thought Barnacles would have a heart attack  :D :D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. The very idea is pure comedy given that direct action consists of paying billions of tax-payer money to big business to say "pretty please, can you reduce your emissions?" Which becomes even more of a farce now we know that most of the money has gone to emission-reducing projects that industry was going to do anyway! This is billions of dollars that could be going into schools and hospitals. Not to mention the billions that have been lost in lost carbon tax revenue. Tony should have asked Barnaby how much more his beloved constituency will be paying in medical bills because his government is diverting literally billions for a different carbon tax.

The problem is, Barnaby's got Turnbull over a barrel on this one. The whole electricity prices versus action on climate change ruse is a complete porkie. With the carbon tax, the electricity companies were free to change to renewables and avoid paying the tax.

With direct action, the taxpayer pays the electricity companies to do what they were going to do anyway. And Barnaby gets away with pretending he's keeping electricity costs down for the poorest people in Australia.

The National Party must have had a revelation. They've gone from defending the mining companies and electricity generators who pay for their re-election to speaking up for pensioners.

Given the effect of the carbon tax on electricity bills, this has to be the biggest con ever dumped on the Australian public.

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

I have to admit, I had a good laugh when Tony kept asking him what the total cost of DA would be to get to the 30% reductions, when a 5% reduction was costing $2B I thought Barnacles would have a heart attack  :D :D :D

Barnaby knows that Direct Action (subsidies to CO2 emitters) will have less impact on CO2 emissions than the death of manufacturing in Australia.

The Coalition know that they can meet their target through the declining economy. We know one thing: they're not going to be spending more on Direct Action.

Hello, companies! Got a bill to pay? No problem! Make the taxpayer pick up the tab. Socialise the losses! As only the Liberals and Nationals do.

The so-called "direct action plan" is a farce. Do we really think for a second that giving out taxpayers' money for over 100 projects that were already completed would stand scrutiny?

This policy costs as much as the carbon levy did. The difference is that the cost is buried deep inside consolidated revenue rather than being on the bill for all to see.

Barnaby last night was at pains to point out that the nationals represent the least well-off in the country. And yet they are in a government that is hell bent on stripping the poor bare and subsidising the most wealthy.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill.

My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax.

The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion.

The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them.
That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Barnaby last night was at pains to point out that the nationals represent the least well-off in the country. And yet they are in a government that is hell bent on stripping the poor bare and subsidising the most wealthy.

It's the most obvious snowjob I've ever seen attempted. And if it went unquestioned on Q&A, imagine how it'll play out on talkback radio.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?

2.40 per bill cycle , which was gobbled up by CPI increases , still waiting for my 535 bucks  ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar.

The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992.

Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this:

Quote:

Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles.

Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?

Good to see you wanting to learn more, Maria. I've saved $32 a year on my electricity bill since the carbon tax was repealed.

It pales in comparison to the cost of Direct Action, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Barnaby last night was at pains to point out that the nationals represent the least well-off in the country. And yet they are in a government that is hell bent on stripping the poor bare and subsidising the most wealthy.

Those photos of Barnaby and Gina raise a few eyebrows.

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.

I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground.

The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries.

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate.

What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

What does it matter? You lot dont think the CT raised power prices anyhow?

For whatever the price increase was there was compensation provided. Now it's just been used as spending to maintain the idiot Tony's lie that he would save the consumer $550 a year.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries.

Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC.

China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over.

Debunked? Rubbish!

2015 has so far been the hottest it has ever been.

Now we find that the melt from Greenland icesheets is affecting the northern part of the Gulf Stream.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?

What if it is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics.

Yes, Maria, the Chinese and US governments are minority fringe activists. I imagine they'll announce the debunking at the Paris Climate Conference, no?

What do you think of our own government spending billions of taxpayer dollars to stop something that's been debunked?

I'm curious.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?

CO2 comes out of solution at higher temperature.

Don't tell the world how ignorant you are  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Debunked? Rubbish! 2015 has so far been the hottest it has ever been. Now we find that the melt from Greenland icesheets is affecting the northern part of the Gulf Stream.

No, Jovial, that's just a mistake. What can you do? Peer-reviewed scientific studies make mistakes all the time.

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:44pm: Debunked? Rubbish! 2015 has so far been the hottest it has ever been. Now we find that the melt from Greenland icesheets is affecting the northern part of the Gulf Stream. No, Jovial, that's just a mistake. What can you do? Peer-reviewed scientific studies make mistakes all the time.

I would say it's speculative.. unless you have a source calling it a mistake!

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over.

The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right.

Its time wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:36pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow? What if it is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing.

But it isnt 'for nothing' is it? It is at an enormous cost measured in tens of trillions of dollars and inevitably means a lowering of living standards.  How about we get some actual facts before spending this kind of money in a world where that much could eliminate poverty and other problems such as drugs and disease.

So what do you want? A world free of CO2 or a world free of poverty, drugs and disease?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over. The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right.

Not according to Colin Barnett:  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over. The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right.

Separate booms, dear. The GFC boom, I think, was the 3rd or 4th since large-scale iron ore mining took off in Australia.

The 2nd boom had already tapered off by the time Labor came to power in 2007. The GFC mining-boom was the sole result of the Chinese building boom - the product of Beijing's stimulus package.

China is now seriously revising its growth model. China is now focusing on domestic growth and the  transition to a low-carbon economy (by 2030).

The days of the booms in iron ore prices are over.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

So what do you want? A world free of CO2 or a world free of poverty, drugs and disease?

What do you want? A government paying polluters to do what they'd do anyway? Or a model that makes polluters responsible for their own emissions?

One of these is a core Liberal value. Which do you favour, Maria?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

still making crap up as you go I see! :D :D :D

2001–7 was much more a real estate boom. Increase the mortgage, spend the money, house values increased, borrow and spend some more. The more onic Howard & Costello ploughed the boom time revenue back into the boom, building the tax cuts and wealthfare into the Budget. Came the GFC, housing boom bust, household sector highly indebted, credit card and mortgage both.

Labor protected the economy from recession, under Gillard were reducing the wealthfare, libs undid some of those moves and tried to make the poor, the old, the sick and students make up the deficit caused by the now–unaffordable tax cuts and wealthfare. Now they want to increase the GST. Bet those on lower incomes once again do not get enough compensation and demand will drop a bit more, recession get a bit deeper!

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow?

What a load of hysterical nonsense. And of course as usual you offer not a shred of supporting evidence.

Given your huge problem with credibility, I'll not worry about your frothy-mouthed rantings on this topic, thanks. I have better things to do than pander to trolls.

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over. The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right. Separate booms, dear. The GFC boom, I think, was the 3rd or 4th since large-scale iron ore mining took off in Australia. The 2nd boom had already tapered off by the time Labor came to power in 2007. The GFC mining-boom was the sole result of the Chinese building boom - the product of Beijing's stimulus package. China is now seriously revising its growth model. China is now focusing on domestic growth and the  transition to a low-carbon economy (by 2030). The days of the booms in iron ore prices are over.

So now you want to re-define 'the mining boom'? Perhaps you should stick to the same definitions and facts that the rest of the world uses.

Bam wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:36pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow? What a load of hysterical nonsense. And of course as usual you offer not a shred of supporting evidence. Given your huge problem with credibility, I'll not worry about your frothy-mouthed rantings on this topic, thanks. I have better things to do than pander to trolls.

I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work. Any evidence not to the liking of the Climate Crowd is simply ignored. Try and get a climate hysteric to accept that the hockey stick is debunked, mocked and rejected by climate scientists the world over. Won't happen. Show evidence? LITERALLY IGNORED.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:04pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over. The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right. Separate booms, dear. The GFC boom, I think, was the 3rd or 4th since large-scale iron ore mining took off in Australia. The 2nd boom had already tapered off by the time Labor came to power in 2007. The GFC mining-boom was the sole result of the Chinese building boom - the product of Beijing's stimulus package. China is now seriously revising its growth model. China is now focusing on domestic growth and the  transition to a low-carbon economy (by 2030). The days of the booms in iron ore prices are over. So now you want to re-define 'the mining boom'? Perhaps you should stick to the same definitions and facts that the rest of the world uses.

Not me, dear. Treasury. But I hardly think the difference between a boom and booms matters a great deal.

It's only important to those who have basic year 9 maths.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work.

Not as Mariacostal, dear, shurely. I think you're mixing yourself up with Longy.

Now he was a stickler for the facts.

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:04pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over. The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right. Separate booms, dear. The GFC boom, I think, was the 3rd or 4th since large-scale iron ore mining took off in Australia. The 2nd boom had already tapered off by the time Labor came to power in 2007. The GFC mining-boom was the sole result of the Chinese building boom - the product of Beijing's stimulus package. China is now seriously revising its growth model. China is now focusing on domestic growth and the  transition to a low-carbon economy (by 2030). The days of the booms in iron ore prices are over. So now you want to re-define 'the mining boom'? Perhaps you should stick to the same definitions and facts that the rest of the world uses. Not me, dear. Treasury. But I hardly think the difference between a boom and booms matters a great deal. It's only important to those who have basic year 9 maths.

maria can't bring herself to the well known fact the West Australian Liberal Party  :o :o :o :o :o :o premier refused to even use the word  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:04pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:34pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. I had Rio Tinto shares, sold them when Labor got in power,great timing they went downhill very quickly when labor started running the country into the ground. The lefties want to stop our coal,that's ok they cannot stop the Indonesian coal industry which will be the major player when labor and the greens shut down all aussie industries. Alas, Baron, China wants to stop our coal, or so they say. They also want to stop our iron ore. The recent mining boom was the direct result of China's stimulus program during the GFC. China is changing track. It's moving to a lower economic growth model. The good old days are over. The mining boom started, many, many years before the GFC. Get it right. Separate booms, dear. The GFC boom, I think, was the 3rd or 4th since large-scale iron ore mining took off in Australia. The 2nd boom had already tapered off by the time Labor came to power in 2007. The GFC mining-boom was the sole result of the Chinese building boom - the product of Beijing's stimulus package. China is now seriously revising its growth model. China is now focusing on domestic growth and the  transition to a low-carbon economy (by 2030). The days of the booms in iron ore prices are over. So now you want to re-define 'the mining boom'? Perhaps you should stick to the same definitions and facts that the rest of the world uses.

How did the West Australian Liberal state premier define the word you absoulte bugger**'n joke of a planet accountant tryhard!???????? ?

You think you're upper-middle-class yet don't even know Colin Barnett refused to even use the word  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

    ***  lol, imagine being that much of a tryhard

I know real -estate agents SINLESS OFFSPRING  ::) ::) who love dadDykins and STILL read year 11 text books that know more than you,.. which aint much btw!

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

2001–7 was much more a real estate boom. Increase the mortgage, spend the money, house values increased, borrow and spend some more. The more onic Howard & Costello ploughed the boom time revenue back into the boom, building the tax cuts and wealthfare into the Budget. Came the GFC, housing boom bust, household sector highly indebted, credit card and mortgage both. Labor protected the economy from recession, under Gillard were reducing the wealthfare, libs undid some of those moves and tried to make the poor, the old, the sick and students make up the deficit caused by the now–unaffordable tax cuts and wealthfare. Now they want to increase the GST. Bet those on lower incomes once again do not get enough compensation and demand will drop a bit more, recession get a bit deeper!

I would struggle to find a less credible commentator than you. What you write is almost entirely 100% fiction all the time.

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:51pm: I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work. Not as Mariacostal, dear, shurely. I think you're mixing yourself up with Longy. Now he was a stickler for the facts.

As an example when discussing the hockey stick and claiming that it was completely repudiated I produced quotes from multiple scientists on both sides of the argument and even included the IPCC. Result?  COMPLETELY IGNORED. And then in another thread they came up with the same garbage. So I produced the same evidence with the same result - complete ignored.

And you wonder why showing evidence is pointless in a place like this?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:47pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:36pm: Bam wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:29pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 12:16pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:50am: I was gobsmacked listening to a cabinet minister attempting to sell the government's direct action plan - specifically by comparing it to the 'rip off' carbon tax, and claiming that they are the saviours of the consumer's hip-pocket by taking the carbon tax off their electricity bill. My electricity supplier sent me a letter saying electricity will be cheaper since Liberals got rid of that carbon tax. The carbon tax is a rip off pushed by dopey dim witted leftists who push their climate religion. The idiots who priced the solar feed in tariff at 60 cents kwh need to be fired along with the idots who hired them. That resulted in poor people without solar subsidising those with solar. The only dopey people in this debate are the slow-witted rightards without critical thinking abilities who buy into CRA Mining's (now a part of Rio Tinto) propaganda lines from 1989-1992. Their corporate propaganda from c. 1989-1992 went like this: Quote: Cutting greenhouse gas emissions would be expensive. Australia’s efforts to cut emissions would be tiny in a global context. The country’s economy would be damaged by action on emissions. Action would only hurt Australia’s export industries. Working to lower demand for energy would negatively impact people’s lifestyles. Sound familiar? That's where the bunk comes from. Corporate boardrooms of vested interests. Australia was ready to act on climate change 25 years ago, until the vested interests started destroying the policy debate. What's your problem? Climate change has been debunked and now only the province of activists and hysterics. CO2 has been show to lag BEHIND warming and not in fact lead it. Given all of that, why would we want to seriously damage the economy all to attack a non-existant problem with methods that would never work anyhow? What if it is one big scam and we make the world a better place , for nothing. But it isnt 'for nothing' is it? It is at an enormous cost measured in tens of trillions of dollars and inevitably means a lowering of living standards.  How about we get some actual facts before spending this kind of money in a world where that much could eliminate poverty and other problems such as drugs and disease. So what do you want? A world free of CO2 or a world free of poverty, drugs and disease?

The world will never ever ever be free of any of those

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:56pm: 2001–7 was much more a real estate boom. Increase the mortgage, spend the money, house values increased, borrow and spend some more. The more onic Howard & Costello ploughed the boom time revenue back into the boom, building the tax cuts and wealthfare into the Budget. Came the GFC, housing boom bust, household sector highly indebted, credit card and mortgage both. Labor protected the economy from recession, under Gillard were reducing the wealthfare, libs undid some of those moves and tried to make the poor, the old, the sick and students make up the deficit caused by the now–unaffordable tax cuts and wealthfare. Now they want to increase the GST. Bet those on lower incomes once again do not get enough compensation and demand will drop a bit more, recession get a bit deeper! I would struggle to find a less credible commentator than you. What you write is almost entirely 100% fiction all the time.

What you mean is, what I write is the truth and you can’t refute it, hell, you can hardly comprehend it.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:56pm: 2001–7 was much more a real estate boom. Increase the mortgage, spend the money, house values increased, borrow and spend some more. The more onic Howard & Costello ploughed the boom time revenue back into the boom, building the tax cuts and wealthfare into the Budget. Came the GFC, housing boom bust, household sector highly indebted, credit card and mortgage both. Labor protected the economy from recession, under Gillard were reducing the wealthfare, libs undid some of those moves and tried to make the poor, the old, the sick and students make up the deficit caused by the now–unaffordable tax cuts and wealthfare. Now they want to increase the GST. Bet those on lower incomes once again do not get enough compensation and demand will drop a bit more, recession get a bit deeper! I would struggle to find a less credible commentator than you. What you write is almost entirely 100% fiction all the time. What you mean is, what I write is the truth and you can’t refute it, hell, you can hardly comprehend it.

You may not have noticed it, but when you post your drivel the only responses you get are mocking ones. Even those on your side of the ideological fence have the sense to ignore you.

If climate change is a con then why is almost every Government in the world spending billions of dollars to prevent it....Surely they are not as stupid as some people look when they sprout bullshit from the fossil fuel industry???

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/25/fossil-fuel-firms-are-still-bankrolling-climate-denial-lobby-groups

http://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/fight-misinformation/climate-deception-dossiers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos#.VgpzMnKheUk

http://climatejustice.org.au/executives-facing-climate-denial-related-claims-could-be-personally-liable-ngos/

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/12/15/foxleaks-fox-boss-ordered-staff-to-cast-doubt-o/174317

:-? :-? :-?

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:57pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:51pm: I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work. Not as Mariacostal, dear, shurely. I think you're mixing yourself up with Longy. Now he was a stickler for the facts. As an example when discussing the hockey stick and claiming that it was completely repudiated I produced quotes from multiple scientists on both sides of the argument and even included the IPCC. Result?  COMPLETELY IGNORED. And then in another thread they came up with the same garbage. So I produced the same evidence with the same result - complete ignored. And you wonder why showing evidence is pointless in a place like this?

Did you, dear?

Where?

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 5:53pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:57pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:51pm: I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work. Not as Mariacostal, dear, shurely. I think you're mixing yourself up with Longy. Now he was a stickler for the facts. As an example when discussing the hockey stick and claiming that it was completely repudiated I produced quotes from multiple scientists on both sides of the argument and even included the IPCC. Result?  COMPLETELY IGNORED. And then in another thread they came up with the same garbage. So I produced the same evidence with the same result - complete ignored. And you wonder why showing evidence is pointless in a place like this? Did you, dear? Where?

Before the sex change maybe???

;) ;) ;)

mariacostel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 7:17pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 5:50pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 1:56pm: 2001–7 was much more a real estate boom. Increase the mortgage, spend the money, house values increased, borrow and spend some more. The more onic Howard & Costello ploughed the boom time revenue back into the boom, building the tax cuts and wealthfare into the Budget. Came the GFC, housing boom bust, household sector highly indebted, credit card and mortgage both. Labor protected the economy from recession, under Gillard were reducing the wealthfare, libs undid some of those moves and tried to make the poor, the old, the sick and students make up the deficit caused by the now–unaffordable tax cuts and wealthfare. Now they want to increase the GST. Bet those on lower incomes once again do not get enough compensation and demand will drop a bit more, recession get a bit deeper! I would struggle to find a less credible commentator than you. What you write is almost entirely 100% fiction all the time. What you mean is, what I write is the truth and you can’t refute it, hell, you can hardly comprehend it. You may not have noticed it, but when you post your drivel the only responses you get are mocking ones. Even those on your side of the ideological fence have the sense to ignore you.

No, nearly everybody laughs at you. Re what I said about the 2001–7 boom—have a look at debt levels in those boom years. Why do you think confidence is low and fragile? Debt levels. People are paying of debt as fast as they can, JohnSmith (the property manager one) talking about people being three years ahead on repayments. Re confidence, Morgan confidence survey showed:


Quote:

ANZ-Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence falls to 110.6 (down 3.9pts) after Turnbull 'bounce'

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6470-anz-roy-morgan-consumer-confidence-september-29-2015-201509290111

I get the Roy Morgan emails along with ZDNet, ITNews, ITWire etc.

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

If climate change is a con then why is almost every Government in the world spending billions of dollars to prevent it....Surely they are not as stupid as some people look when they sprout bullshit from the fossil fuel industry??? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/25/fossil-fuel-firms-are-still-bankrolling-climate-denial-lobby-groups http://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/fight-misinformation/climate-deception-dossiers-fossil-fuel-industry-memos#.VgpzMnKheUk http://climatejustice.org.au/executives-facing-climate-denial-related-claims-could-be-personally-liable-ngos/ http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/12/15/foxleaks-fox-boss-ordered-staff-to-cast-doubt-o/174317 :-? :-? :-?

You think consensus by governments of all people is proof of anything??  Consensus of governments lead an attack on Iraq for WMDs. And there are plenty more examples of where governments the world over have agreed on something that was wrong.

As for some of the disgraceful links above, would you feel happy if we were to charge and jail climate scientists for their role in perpetrating the Climate Con? If you want it one way then you need to have it the other way as well.

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:31pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 5:53pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:57pm: mariacostel wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 4:51pm: I've tried the evidence route before. It doesnt work. Not as Mariacostal, dear, shurely. I think you're mixing yourself up with Longy. Now he was a stickler for the facts. As an example when discussing the hockey stick and claiming that it was completely repudiated I produced quotes from multiple scientists on both sides of the argument and even included the IPCC. Result?  COMPLETELY IGNORED. And then in another thread they came up with the same garbage. So I produced the same evidence with the same result - complete ignored. And you wonder why showing evidence is pointless in a place like this? Did you, dear? Where? Before the sex change maybe??? ;) ;) ;)

We had a discussion on the Hockey Stick. Well we did until I produced reams of evidence from alarmists and sceptics alike to refute the Stick. And then all was silent.... all the Hysterics fled to other threads to repeat the some garbage.

I would start a thread on the Hockey Stick but what is the point? The hysterics  - when confronted with irrefutable proof - either run away and hide of simply say that 1+1=apple as they so often do.

Consensus is due to each country’s scientists telling their govt the same thing. The globe is warming, sea levels are rising, extreme events get more extreme.

Here bushfires get more extreme and bigger each year. Because of AGW the season for fuel reduction burns gets shorter and shorter. We have had extreme bush fires as early as August.

Govts have to act on the science.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Consensus is due to each country’s scientists telling their govt the same thing. The globe is warming, sea levels are rising, extreme events get more extreme. Here bushfires get more extreme and bigger each year. Because of AGW the season for fuel reduction burns gets shorter and shorter. We have had extreme bush fires as early as August. Govts have to act on the science.

Except that it is all lies. Consensus doesn't even exist.

We haven’t had major bush fires as early as August in the last few years? Including one started by a fuel reduction burn?

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

We haven’t had major bush fires as early as August in the last few years? Including one started by a fuel reduction burn?

Just in case you forget, this is Australia, the country where we can have flooding in Victoria the same week as bushfires in WA.

We've always had bushfires and their frequency has not increased but actually DECREASED slightly.

Stop making stuff up.

I said bushfire season starts earlier and the fires are bigger and more destructive. Experience backs that.

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

I said bushfire season starts earlier and the fires are bigger and more destructive. Experience backs that.

Facts however, say the opposite.

So we didn’t have major bushfires as early as August recently?

Facts say otherwise.