A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax.

A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that.

Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor.

In the USA this is known as a "fair tax":  cut taxes for the wealthy, their families and multinational corporations and put the burden on the poor and middle-class while decimating that same middle-class and tell them it is for their own good.

AiA wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

In the USA this is known as a "fair tax":  cut taxes for the wealthy, their families and multinational corporations and put the burden on the poor and middle-class while decimating that same middle-class and tell them it is for their own good.

Morrison is "mulling" on his options for this. The poor fellow.

I just hope some right wing thinktank can write up some  research on an increased GST making us all better off and it magically appears in a Murdoch rag. Gosh, wouldn't that be surprising if that happened in the next week or so.

Brendon wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 11:08pm:

AiA wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:59pm: In the USA this is known as a "fair tax":  cut taxes for the wealthy, their families and multinational corporations and put the burden on the poor and middle-class while decimating that same middle-class and tell them it is for their own good. Morrison is "mulling" on his options for this. The poor fellow. I just hope some right wing thinktank can write up some  research on an increased GST making us all better off and it magically appears in a Murdoch rag. Gosh, wouldn't that be surprising if that happened in the next week or so.

If Longy/Longie/Luong Yi were here he could sort that out for you tout de suite... oh, how we all miss Longy  :'(  :'(

Brendon wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor.

The government is stuffed. All that can be done is to increase taxes.

The problem is that all the wealth generated by the mining boom was squandered in tax cuts for the rich.

Negative gearing of real estate has to be eliminated.

The number of taxpayers as a ratio of the whole population is declining and the taxpayers who are left have to take up the slack.

Brendon wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor.

Before the GST we had Sales Taxes. On some everyday items it was as high as 27.5% and this was paid by the consumer.
I'd rather stick with the 10%...

email the senators today, tell them to block any raise of the GST.

It doesn't take long you can c+p a one liner.....please block any increase in the GST

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/los

Gorblimey! I agree with Pansi...

Quote:

GST is a tax on the poor

That is the idea, the perfect Liberal party target.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:28am:

Brendon wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:55pm: A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor. Before the GST we had Sales Taxes. On some everyday items it was as high as 27.5% and this was paid by the consumer. I'd rather stick with the 10%...

We still have Sales Tax, and the Sales Taxes we had were very clearly bracketed, so that the luxury items incurred the higher tax.  Besides that sales tax wasn't on everything, and the GST did nothing for struggling lower income families but tax them where they were not previously taxed.

If a single tax regime had gone the whole way instead of the usual half measures clearly intended to muddy the waters and choke the fish so that they were easier for the government to pull in without their noticing, it might have worked.

What is Baird offering us in return for a higher and higher GST?  More government spending on rip-off sellouts to his mates so everyone pays more again, more government spending on non-essentials, more padding of government offices - yet at the same time unemployment rises, cost of living goes up endlessly, and a never-ending demand for more and more money and control over society through control of money by the State.

We need a more refined tax system with only a few strands instead of the current hodge-podge that only ever succeeds in taking from the honest.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 5:28am:

Brendon wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:55pm: A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor. Before the GST we had Sales Taxes. On some everyday items it was as high as 27.5% and this was paid by the consumer. I'd rather stick with the 10%...

Sales tax was on a very narrow base and started at 12% for the majority of items, there was a 27.5% rate and up to 45% for luxury goods.

It didn't tax services or direct sales.  i.e no tax on your power bill etc, no tax on your building job, no tax on product purchased direct from a manufacturer or importer.

The GST is a wide based tax that picks up all these additional things and more. Particularly services.

IMO there was never a case to tax power bills and such at all.

Why do we pay tax on electricity, gas, phone bills etc ?

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive?

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 5:28am: Brendon wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:55pm: A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor. Before the GST we had Sales Taxes. On some everyday items it was as high as 27.5% and this was paid by the consumer. I'd rather stick with the 10%... We still have Sales Tax, and the Sales Taxes we had were very clearly bracketed, so that the luxury items incurred the higher tax.  Besides that sales tax wasn't on everything, and the GST did nothing for struggling lower income families but tax them where they were not previously taxed. If a single tax regime had gone the whole way instead of the usual half measures clearly intended to muddy the waters and choke the fish so that they were easier for the government to pull in without their noticing, it might have worked. What is Baird offering us in return for a higher and higher GST?  More government spending on rip-off sellouts to his mates so everyone pays more again, more government spending on non-essentials, more padding of government offices - yet at the same time unemployment rises, cost of living goes up endlessly, and a never-ending demand for more and more money and control over society through control of money by the State. We need a more refined tax system with only a few strands instead of the current hodge-podge that only ever succeeds in taking from the honest.

In actual fact, that part of the Income Tax Act that deals with the tax payable by the PAYE taxpayer is relatively straightforward and would only run into something like 30 pages or so.The other 3 thick volumes of the Tax Act, running into thousands of pages, deals with all the tax lurks, tax schemes, tax breaks, tax deductions, tax concessions and tax giveaways to the wealthy and the business sector.

Brendon wrote on Sep 29^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor.

what a silly idea.. do they buy yachts and BMWs now....

come on there was a time when you didnt have a clue what sort of WHOLESALE TAX you were paying and what  received wholesale tax... it was all a dark secret for the most part....also those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so  the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE.....a lot of FOOD does  not  have GST on it... get real sport......I dont see why they cannot raise the GST on luxury goods.....

I watch TV every night and see kids clothing advertised for as little as $3 and $5 for t/shirts.. I made my kids clothes .. today it wouldnt be worth it...get real mate you have no idea how lucky you are...

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

What a scam this compensation argument is. Any compensation the middle/working/poorer classes get will be all dissipated within 2 or 3 years, as they were when the GST was first introduced and thereafter we will be left with a system that puts even more of the tax burden on the PAYE taxpayer (the people willing to pay tax) and take it off the shoulders of the greedy classes (the people who point blank refuse to pay tax and look for every avenue to avoid paying tax whilst simultaneously milking the tax system for any handout they can get).

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST

But we are past the introduction.

They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all.

the same will apply to the increase.


Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal  just knows these things.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:52am: Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them. They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST But we are past the introduction. They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all. the same will apply to the increase. Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal  just knows these things.

of course thats true.....but I cant think of a fairer way of everyone paying th esame can you?? in DENMARK everything and I mean everything has a 25% VAT chg..

our 10% is about the lowest in the world...instead of whingeing we should be thinking how lucky we are....

we are becoming the land of whingers...

how many people look to see how much they pay in GST on their dockets???...

just for the hell of it I now have yesterdays list in front of me.. at WOollies.. because I am lazy I spent a total of $90.96.... a grand total of $3.64 in GST... and a savings. [specials] $12.93....

wow the states got a whopping $3.64 out of me yesterday... ::) ::)

youi know I am not against what TAX i pay....but I do get pizzzzzzzzed about how its spent at times..

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:36am: The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 5:28am: Brendon wrote on Sep 29th, 2015 at 10:55pm: A family on 600 a week. Every spare cent goes into their day to day living. Most items have GST on them. So nearly all their revenue has an additional 10 percent tax. A family on $8K a week. Their accountant is managing it all. Investments, tax minimisation. Super schemes. Family trusts, Unit Trusts. Only a small portion of their revenue goes on day to day living. Sure, if they spend they get hit by the GST. But they have the option to make their money earn money itself before they do that. Increase the GST and the main burden is on the poor. Before the GST we had Sales Taxes. On some everyday items it was as high as 27.5% and this was paid by the consumer. I'd rather stick with the 10%... We still have Sales Tax, and the Sales Taxes we had were very clearly bracketed, so that the luxury items incurred the higher tax.  Besides that sales tax wasn't on everything, and the GST did nothing for struggling lower income families but tax them where they were not previously taxed. If a single tax regime had gone the whole way instead of the usual half measures clearly intended to muddy the waters and choke the fish so that they were easier for the government to pull in without their noticing, it might have worked. What is Baird offering us in return for a higher and higher GST?  More government spending on rip-off sellouts to his mates so everyone pays more again, more government spending on non-essentials, more padding of government offices - yet at the same time unemployment rises, cost of living goes up endlessly, and a never-ending demand for more and more money and control over society through control of money by the State. We need a more refined tax system with only a few strands instead of the current hodge-podge that only ever succeeds in taking from the honest. In actual fact, that part of the Income Tax Act that deals with the tax payable by the PAYE taxpayer is relatively straightforward and would only run into something like 30 pages or so.The other 3 thick volumes of the Tax Act, running into thousands of pages, deals with all the tax lurks, tax schemes, tax breaks, tax deductions, tax concessions and tax giveaways to the wealthy and the business sector.

Why do you think there is anything untoward in that? A business is vastly more complex than a simply employee. Employees pay just one tax and have no input costs other that union fees and the possible purchase of a uniform. Businesses have vastly more costs etc.

Is this just another anti-business rant?

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

come on there was a time when ......those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so  the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE.....

As always you talk through you hat. The GST made absolutely no changes to that state of affairs and its worse now the its ever been.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:52am: Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them. They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST But we are past the introduction. They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all. the same will apply to the increase. Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal  just knows these things.

Its that whole percentage thing that is confusing you again. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST and since then those same welfare payments (including the increases) have been increasing by the CPI or more. It is the 'compensation that keeps on compensating'. But like the petulant 3yo child screaming that 'you never buy me any pretty shoes!" you forget that we bought her some LAST WEEK.

You really don't seem to be in favour of the lower income groups paying tax of any kind but happy for them to get the vast majority of welfare payments.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

Yes, there's no GST on garage sales and flea markets, which is where poor front bottoms should be shopping as much as possible.  Poor migrants flood these places, and they pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but poor aussies are more interested in appearing rich than actually not being poor, by spending stupid amounts on shoes, gadgets and hot cars.  Thus, they'll be forever poor through their own poor choices.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:11am: come on there was a time when ......those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so  the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE..... As always you talk through you hat. The GST made absolutely no changes to that state of affairs and its worse now the its ever been.

what utter crap. take a trip overseas then come back and tell us we have got it so tough... ::) ::) ::)


I dont think you even know what you are whingeing about...

what the hell does that mean.. WORSE THAN WHAT pray...

you just find fault with everything there are some who will never be happy no matter what they are given... ..

I paid $3.64 in GST on a $90 grocery bill.. how bloody tough is that... ::) ::) ::) ::)

... wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:52am: Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them. Yes, there's no GST on garage sales and flea markets, which is where poor nice people should be shopping as much as possible.  Poor migrants flood these places, and they pull themselves up by their bootstraps, but poor aussies are more interested in appearing rich than actually not being poor, by spending stupid amounts on shoes, gadgets and hot cars.  Thus, they'll be forever poor through their own poor choices.

not forgetting queuing up for days to buy the latest mob.phone....

I dont see the pubs and clubs crying POOR either....so I wonder whos filling them up?... ::) ::)

would Packer build his massive Casino  at Barangaroo if 
we were all so poor???>..... ;D ;D we have more pokermachines in this country than anywhere else  in the world....Las Vegas eat your heart out.

thats how tough we do it..

and as far as I know.. NO ONE IS FORCED TO PLAY POKERMACHINES ITS THEIR CHOICE. >:( >:( >:(

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:21am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:52am: Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them. They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST But we are past the introduction. They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all. the same will apply to the increase. Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal  just knows these things. Its that whole percentage thing that is confusing you again. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST and since then those same welfare payments (including the increases) have been increasing by the CPI or more. It is the 'compensation that keeps on compensating'. But like the petulant 3yo child screaming that 'you never buy me any pretty shoes!" you forget that we bought her some LAST WEEK. You really don't seem to be in favour of the lower income groups paying tax of any kind but happy for them to get the vast majority of welfare payments.

Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST


As an example Pensions got 2% of a 4% indexation increase pushed forward by 6 months. Their compensation was to be given part of an inflation increase that they were already going to get a few months early.

This was meant to help them get past the introduction of the GST, nothing more.

Your airy fairy full compensation is BS, didn't happen.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:37am: Dnarever wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:21am: mariacostel wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 7:52am: Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them. They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST But we are past the introduction. They were not fully compensated in most cases and never compensated for the ongoing position at all. the same will apply to the increase. Maria Michel de Nostredame Long Costal  just knows these things. Its that whole percentage thing that is confusing you again. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST and since then those same welfare payments (including the increases) have been increasing by the CPI or more. It is the 'compensation that keeps on compensating'. But like the petulant 3yo child screaming that 'you never buy me any pretty shoes!" you forget that we bought her some LAST WEEK. You really don't seem to be in favour of the lower income groups paying tax of any kind but happy for them to get the vast majority of welfare payments. Welfare payments and tax scales were adjusted for the introduction of the GST As an example Pensions got 2% of a 4% indexation increase pushed forward by 6 months. Their compensation was to be given part of an inflation increase that they were already going to get a few months early. This was meant to help them get past the introduction of the GST, nothing more. Your airy fairy full compensation is BS, didn't happen.

You are nothing more than a sob-story on legs. I'm glad I married a real man and nothing like the whiny child you have become.

Tax the poor and increase negative gearing benefits to the wealthy.

Unforgiven wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

Tax the poor and increase negative gearing benefits to the wealthy.

yes yes yes..

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 7:52am:

Typical garbage thread. How can it possibly be fair that 'the poor' be asked to contribute anything towards the massive welfare they receive? They were fully compensated (and then some) for the introduction of the GST and the same will apply to the increase. But nothing can ever compensate for the poverty mindset. That remains no matter what is given to them.

Stupid post.

Try to say something that shows you have read the thread.

Here is a subject that points to the poverty trap, and you go the other way and blame low income people. And plenty of them work.

mariacostel wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 9:28am:

I'm glad I married a real man and nothing like the whiny child you have become.

quiet a catch your man isn't he ...

http://www.serietv.net/guide/un-uomo-in-casa/immagini/personaggi/george.gif

Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:23pm:

Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D

who says they don't care? :D :D :D

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D

Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you. 

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:43pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.

We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest.

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest.

Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision.

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision.

So do I

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision.

That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example?

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:44pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest.

Maybe she is just wrong ?

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example?

Mothballs, I wish I could have an intelligent conversation with you but thats just not possible, to have an intelligent conversation with another person requires that other person to be intelligent, I'm afraid you simply don't fit the criteria dear.

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:58pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example? Mothballs, I wish I could have an intelligent conversation with you but thats just not possible, to have an intelligent conversation with another person requires that other person to be intelligent, I'm afraid you simply don't fit the criteria dear.

So you can't answer the question.

White flag accepted.

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example?

Wonder how it would have worked out for Gina had she been borne at Mt Druitt ?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:58pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example? Wonder how it would have worked out for Gina had she been borne at Mt Druitt ?

Or traumatised at a young age. Or born with FAS. Or born to troubled parents. Or any other number of variables that effect our individual outcomes.

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 11:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 11:16pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:58pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example? Wonder how it would have worked out for Gina had she been borne at Mt Druitt ? Or traumatised at a young age. Or born with FAS. Or born to troubled parents. Or any other number of variables that effect our individual outcomes.

Yeah cry me a river, how about instead of giving people a reason to be a failure you idiot leftists start giving people a reason to rise above, thats the trouble with the idiot left, they have to drag everyone else down to their own idiotic level of failure so that they don't look so bad.

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 11:41pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 11:21pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 11:16pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:58pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. That's not even remotely true. Are you saying all educations are equal? For example? Wonder how it would have worked out for Gina had she been borne at Mt Druitt ? Or traumatised at a young age. Or born with FAS. Or born to troubled parents. Or any other number of variables that effect our individual outcomes. Yeah cry me a river, how about instead of giving people a reason to be a failure you idiot leftists start giving people a reason to rise above, thats the trouble with the idiot left, they have to drag everyone else down to their own idiotic level of failure so that they don't look so bad.

Something the left is far more concerned with than the right.

You can't simply tell someone to 'rise above'. You need to provide them with counselling, mentoring, stable environment, equal education and other resources for them to even get close to the starting block.

There atre simply not equal opportunities for everyone ... which, if i am to read your post correctly, you have just conceded.

I would rather see the government have a serious look at taxation reform firstly,the diesel fuel rebate to miners should be abolished, super needs an overhaul, cant wait for the next whitepaper.........

mothra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 11:52pm:

You need to provide them with counselling, mentoring, stable environment, equal education and other resources for them to even get close to the starting block.

If anyone really needs any of that tripe then I am afraid that they are f__ked already and there is no hope for them, providing any of that sh!te will just retard them, a caring and loving boot right up the arse would be far more beneficial.   

innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 12:33am:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 11:52pm: You need to provide them with counselling, mentoring, stable environment, equal education and other resources for them to even get close to the starting block. If anyone really needs any of that tripe then I am afraid that they are f__ked already and there is no hope for them, providing any of that sh!te will just retard them, a caring and loving boot right up the arse would be far more beneficial.

So you are conceding that we are not all presented with equal opportunities.

Thanks for playing.

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:34am: cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 8:11am: come on there was a time when ......those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so  the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE..... As always you talk through you hat. The GST made absolutely no changes to that state of affairs and its worse now the its ever been. what utter crap. take a trip overseas then come back and tell us we have got it so tough... I dont think you even know what you are whingeing about... what the hell does that mean.. WORSE THAN WHAT pray... you just find fault with everything there are some who will never be happy no matter what they are given... .. I paid $3.64 in GST on a $90 grocery bill.. how bloody tough is that... ::) ::) ::) ::)

What a scatterbrain hypocrite you are. You say what I said was crap and then say NOTHING that addresses what I said. Instead you shoot your mouth off about any disjointed scatterbrain idea that comes to your head.And then to remember back to your constant complaints how the world would cave in with the carbon tax that costs you nothing near the GST. Your a hypocrite!!!!! AND a pig lapdog who supports anything against working and poor Australians in the interests of the rich. 

cods wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 8:11am:

what a silly idea.. do they buy yachts and BMWs now.... come on there was a time when you didnt have a clue what sort of WHOLESALE TAX you were paying and what  received wholesale tax... it was all a dark secret for the most part....also those in high places were able to buy their yacht and BMWs as gifts from their own business and claim back TAX on the gift so  the govt gained nothing it was a JOKE.....a lot of FOOD does  not  have GST on it... get real sport......I dont see why they cannot raise the GST on luxury goods.....

More yachts and BMWs than ever are being purchased supported by tax savings on negative gearing.

The GST is like a white ant infestation. The more the Government get from it..the more they want from it.

This Robin Hood Tax, hurts the lowest income earners hardest. It is robbery.

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision.

OK - I choose to be an inheritor of billions - where's my money?

red baron wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:03pm:

The GST is like a white ant infestation. The more the Government get from it..the more they want from it. This Robin Hood Tax, hurts the lowest income earners hardest. It is robbery.

Yep.

Say instead of being reduced income tax was done away with completely. A general GST of 30% on everything.

Senior executives would be giving themselves astronomical salaries (because to quote them, they deserve it). Money always flows toward tax free territory.

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision.

James Packer chose to be a casino owner. Gina Rheinhart followed her dream to be in mining.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 6:14pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:50pm: mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:44pm: We all have the same opportunities? Surely you jest. Nope, you can be anything you want in a country like Australia, the choice is yours, obviously you chose to be an idiot but its a free country and I respect your decision. OK - I choose to be an inheritor of billions - where's my money?

I choose to marry a millionaire that's got one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel......where's my hubby?

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30^th, 2015 at 10:43pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.

what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 11:13am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money

Opportunity is not the problem. It is the ability and willingness to take risks and work mega-hard to support that dream. That is where 'wishers' and 'doers' part company.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:13am: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money Opportunity is not the problem. It is the ability and willingness to take risks and work mega-hard to support that dream. That is where 'wishers' and 'doers' part company.

Huh?

This thread is about the GST being a tax on lower income people. What is this willingness to take risks and working mega hard about? Not everyone has it in them to become captains of industry. But even captains of industry require workers. And those workers should have a decent wage without getting ripped off from every angle.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:13am: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money Opportunity is not the problem. It is the ability and willingness to take risks and work mega-hard to support that dream. That is where 'wishers' and 'doers' part company.

you need to step out of your ivory castle and get out into the real world sometime ... with about 150 000 jobs and about 800 000 unemployed, opportunity is a major problem.

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 11:13am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money

Send them around to me I will have them making more money in no time, of course they won't come though, sure they want to make more money but not if they actually have to make an effort to get it.

innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:13am: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money Send them around to me I will have them making more money in no time, of course they won't come though, sure they want to make more money but not if they actually have to make an effort to get it.

you don't run a 7-11 do you?

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:13am: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money Send them around to me I will have them making more money in no time, of course they won't come though, sure they want to make more money but not if they actually have to make an effort to get it. you don't run a 7-11 do you?

He is getting a 4-12 sign made up.

GST is a tax on the poor

If you support the GST concept or not I don't see how anyone can not understand that it has the biggest impact on people with the lowest incomes.

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Johnsmith wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 11:13am: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:43pm: Johnsmith wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:25pm: innocentbystander. wrote on Sep 30th, 2015 at 10:23pm: Why are we asked to care about the poor when they don't even care about themselves? ... F--kem!  ;D who says they don't care? :D :D :D Well they don't care about having money, not that there is anything wrong with that, lots of people get by just fine on centrelink, we all have the same opportunities, if you want to be a millionaire you can be, if you want to be welfare scum you can do that to, its all up to you.  what a load of rubbish ... most poor I know would love the opportunity to make more money Send them around to me I will have them making more money in no time, of course they won't come though, sure they want to make more money but not if they actually have to make an effort to get it. you don't run a 7-11 do you?

Either that or MLM.  ;)