Regarding the Middle Easturd Muslim problem, its nice to see a real man on the ground about to show that pussy Obama how to kick mussey ass.

Putin FTW.

I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime?

Well his marines refused to as the rebels are al qaeda so he's probably chucking a hissy fit.

oh dear wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:58pm:

I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime?

Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend.

Soren wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 11:48am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend.

Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::)

Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend.
Basically an idiot with no ball sack.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack.

You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy.

Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:26pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::)

You know, I can always identify a fool who has had his ass handed to him. They always resort to childish name calling.

Just like you just did.

"Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq."

So

"He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria."

So

"He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was."

All because he kisses his brother muslim asses. No surprises you feel this way.

"What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::)"

See what exactly that Obama is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend.

Basically an idiot with no ball sack. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

Putin still FTW.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:26pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::) You know, I can always identify a fool who has had his ass handed to him. They always resort to childish name calling. Just like you just did. "Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq." So "He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria." So "He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was." All because he kisses his brother muslim asses.

Are you suggesting that Obama is a Muslim?   ::) ::)

Keep up the male anatomy allusions, Matty.   They do seem to be working so well for you...   ::) ::)

oh dear wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 9:58pm:

I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime?

Yeah, all four of them.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:26pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::) You know, I can always identify a fool who has had his ass handed to him. They always resort to childish name calling. Just like you just did. "Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq." So "He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria." So "He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was." All because he kisses his brother muslim asses. Are you suggesting that Obama is a Muslim?   ::) ::) Keep up the male anatomy allusions, Matty.   They do seem to be working so well for you...   ::) ::)

Obama is a Muslim. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Suck on his cool aid all you like I don't give a toss. BTW the Matty name calling does nothing to me. It just makes you look more like the silly child that you are. Just like karnal toe and gandalf. Gee I wonder what you all have in common. pissslam.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 3:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:43pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:26pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::) You know, I can always identify a fool who has had his ass handed to him. They always resort to childish name calling. Just like you just did. "Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq." So "He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria." So "He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was." All because he kisses his brother muslim asses. Are you suggesting that Obama is a Muslim?   ::) ::) Keep up the male anatomy allusions, Matty.   They do seem to be working so well for you...   ::) ::) Obama is a Muslim. Anyone with half a brain can see that.

So, you're going purely on visual cues, only, Matty?  My, how interesting.

Would you care to explain your visual cues?   ::) ::)


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Suck on his cool aid all you like I don't give a toss. BTW the Matty name calling does nothing to me. It just makes you look more like the silly child that you are. Just like karnal toe and gandalf. Gee I wonder what you all have in common. pissslam.

I'm sorry, you'll have to translate that into proper English, Matty.  I don't understand what you're saying.    ::)

The Clinton camp put it about in 2008 that Obama's mother was heavily pregnant in Kenya and wasn't allowed to travel before giving birth. She gave birth and then flew to Hawaii where she registered the birth.
His dad was a Kenyan Muslim. Most of his family on his dad's side are in Kenya still, Muslim still. Anyway, not many Christian kids are called M'barak Huissein (although I am sure Brain knows many)

I've been watching some of the Russian operations. They are using heavy bombs. That's Russia for you, they don't muck around.

Might be a good thing!

Let Putins mob go beserk, Bomb them all,

Send Ruskie troops in!

They have been fence sitters for years.

Soren wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 3:22pm:

The Clinton camp put it about in 2008 that Obama's mother was heavily pregnant in Kenya and wasn't allowed to travel before giving birth. She gave birth and then flew to Hawaii where she registered the birth. His dad was a Kenyan Muslim. Most of his family on his dad's side are in Kenya still, Muslim still. Anyway, not many Christian kids are called M'barak Huissein (although I am sure Brain knows many)

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President Obama released his birth certificate to the public last April. He said during a press briefing at the time that he was ‘puzzled at the degree to which this thing just keeps going on.’ He said: ‘We’ve had every official in Hawaii, Democrat and Republican, every news outlet that has investigated this, confirm that, yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital.’ The president concluded his speech by acknowledging that some people - despite the evidence - woPresident Obama released his birth certificate to the public last April. He said during a press briefing at the time that he was ‘puzzled at the degree to which this thing just keeps going on.’ He said: ‘We’ve had every official in Hawaii, Democrat and Republican, every news outlet that has investigated this, confirm that, yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital.’ The president concluded his speech by acknowledging that some people - despite the evidence - would not let go of the issue.

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So, you one of those people, Soren, who won't let go of the issue?    ::) ::)

About time. It died back in 2013.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 3:22pm: The Clinton camp put it about in 2008 that Obama's mother was heavily pregnant in Kenya and wasn't allowed to travel before giving birth. She gave birth and then flew to Hawaii where she registered the birth. His dad was a Kenyan Muslim. Most of his family on his dad's side are in Kenya still, Muslim still. Anyway, not many Christian kids are called M'barak Huissein (although I am sure Brain knows many) Quote: President Obama released his birth certificate to the public last April. He said during a press briefing at the time that he was ‘puzzled at the degree to which this thing just keeps going on.’ He said: ‘We’ve had every official in Hawaii, Democrat and Republican, every news outlet that has investigated this, confirm that, yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital.’ The president concluded his speech by acknowledging that some people - despite the evidence - woPresident Obama released his birth certificate to the public last April. He said during a press briefing at the time that he was ‘puzzled at the degree to which this thing just keeps going on.’ He said: ‘We’ve had every official in Hawaii, Democrat and Republican, every news outlet that has investigated this, confirm that, yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital.’ The president concluded his speech by acknowledging that some people - despite the evidence - would not let go of the issue. [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146622/Barack-Obama-Kenyan-born-2007-according-literary-agency--months-announcing-bid-U-S-presidency.html]Source[/url] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/17/article-2146034-1325B465000005DC-501_634x462.jpg So, you one of those people, Soren, who won't let go of the issue?    ::) ::)

"Won't let go?"

The guy has a greater collection of birth certificates than you imagine, Brain.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/birth2.jpghttp://www.thepowerhour.com/images/birth2.jpg

http://theobamafile.com/_images/LucasSmith03.jpg

His Harvard yearbook entry stood UNCORRECTED until it needed to be ignored. As is the case with such blurbs, he would have supplied this text himself. AT THAT TIME, being Kenyan was to his advantage, so he used it , milked it.

I would not allow my Harvard yearbook entry to have a short entry like this with a glaring error about where I was born. But he left it uncorrected.He is either an opportunistic multiculti fraud, if it's untrue, or a liar, if true.
A bit like you. In either case, not a good choice.
But you will waive it though as the spineless, squishy and pompous apologist that you are.


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He has satisfied the electoral authorities in the USA, Soren.  That is, in the end all that matters.  As much as you hate the man, that doesn't make him a Muslim nor foreign born.   Stop being so childish.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 6:01pm:

He has satisfied the electoral authorities in the USA, Soren.  That is, in the end all that matters.  As much as you hate the man, that doesn't make him a Muslim nor foreign born.   Stop being so childish.

Oh for goodness sakes his old man was a mussey, he was born a mussey, he thinks the qur'an is beautiful and a holy book, he promotes homosexuality. He is no Christian. Far from it. He bows to muslims in the middle easturd countries and recites the Qu'ran. He is a mussey alright. He wanted to fight alongside alqueda in syria. He even manufactured a fake birth certificate for himself. He's a mussey alright.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 6:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 6:01pm: He has satisfied the electoral authorities in the USA, Soren.  That is, in the end all that matters.  As much as you hate the man, that doesn't make him a Muslim nor foreign born.   Stop being so childish. Oh for goodness sakes his old man was a mussey, he was born a mussey, he thinks the qur'an is beautiful and a holy book, he promotes homosexuality. He is no Christian. Far from it. He bows to muslims in the middle easturd countries and recites the Qu'ran. He is a mussey alright. He wanted to fight alongside alqueda in syria. He even manufactured a fake birth certificate for himself. He's a mussey alright.

He has satisfied the electoral authorities in the USA, Soren.  That is, in the end all that matters.    ::)

And so another chapter in America's failed "War on Terror" has been written.

No doubt one can count on Obama to invoke the corporate-controlled to accuse Putin of waging a “campaign to simply try to destroy anybody who is disgusted and fed up with Mr. Assad’s behavior.”

So what's the reality here when it seems the forces on the ground that America is defending and which they are demanding that Russia stop bombing are dominated by the Al-Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate.

Hmmmm....seems like America wants to set up a another puppet government like failed ones they are trying to do in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Putin wants to keep his only outside of Russia naval base in Syria at any cost. Oh, where will the chips fall?

Oh, and let's not forget America deemed Al-Nusra a "terrorist organization."The Obama Administration had zero problem adding him to the US State Department’s list of foreign terrorist claiming that Al-Nusra were prevalent in mass suicide bombings only later to find out that Al-Nusra was merely another name for "Al Qaeda" in Iraq.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:26pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::)

Until O'Bama's election the ME was contained. Now that he pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan, effectively decolonising them far too soon, chaos is back in the ME and it is now spreading to Africa and Europe. Iraq was handed to the shia majority who, with Iranian help, immediately set about antagonising the sunni minority.  He refused to intervene in Syria and Labia with distarous consequences.

The entire American establishment, the Clinton-Bush-O'Bama spectrum, is guilty of starting a war without being determined to win it. This is why America is now a an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend - it doesn't carry through either with its threats or with its offers of support.

The Muslims will not solve the ME problems. They are too busy fighting each other. It's time to install a few bloody dictators who will keep in check their populations who are clearly not ready for political compromise. With Russia asserting its interests, the Grand Game continues.

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 3:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:26pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::) Until O'Bama's election the ME was contained. Now that he pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan, effectively decolonising them far too soon, chaos is back in the ME and it is now spreading to Africa and Europe. Iraq was handed to the shia majority who, with Iranian help, immediately set about antagonising the sunni minority.  He refused to intervene in Syria and Labia with distarous consequences. The entire American establishment, the Clinton-Bush-O'Bama spectrum, is guilty of starting a war without being determined to win it. This is why America is now a an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend - it doesn't carry through either with its threats or with its offers of support. The Muslims will not solve the ME problems. They are too busy fighting each other. It's time to install a few bloody dictators who will keep in check their populations who are clearly not ready for political compromise. With Russia asserting its interests, the Grand Game continues.

I suspect you really do believe that, Soren, I really do.  So, where were you when the United States was "colonising" Iraq and Afghanistan?  Were you on the front line, actually putting into practice the beliefs you espouse so strongly?  No, you were sitting at home, in front of your computer, safe and sound, not having to face up to what you're proposing others do.  Intellectually you're foolish, physically, you're a coward.

When we see you in downtown Baghdad or Kabul, speaking your mind to the Iraqis and the Afghanis as well as shooting a few dead, of course, then I might have more time for you, Soren.  Until then, you're just an internet pundit who never has to put into action the words you espouse.  Unlike Obama, you're not unloading the dead bodies as they are returned to the United States every weekend.  You're not talking to the families of the dead and wounded, week in, week out.  You're not facing up to the consequences of a policy which he had inherited (and ended) from his foolish predecessor who went into Afghanistan and Iraq, expecting a European style liberation party and instead ended up with tens hundreds of dead American soldiers/marines/airmen/sailors.

Instead we see you moaning that Obama is secretly a Muslim or wasn't even born in the USA and so can't fulfil his obligations under the US Constitution to qualify for the office that he was elected to by the American people.   You're cheap and you're foolish, Soren.    You seek to score cheap points for the audience of Islamophobes who run 'round like chooks with their heads cut off whenever the word "Muslim" or "Islam" is mentioned in a conversation.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 3:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:26pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::) Until O'Bama's election the ME was contained. Now that he pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan, effectively decolonising them far too soon, chaos is back in the ME and it is now spreading to Africa and Europe. Iraq was handed to the shia majority who, with Iranian help, immediately set about antagonising the sunni minority.  He refused to intervene in Syria and Labia with distarous consequences. The entire American establishment, the Clinton-Bush-O'Bama spectrum, is guilty of starting a war without being determined to win it. This is why America is now a an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend - it doesn't carry through either with its threats or with its offers of support. The Muslims will not solve the ME problems. They are too busy fighting each other. It's time to install a few bloody dictators who will keep in check their populations who are clearly not ready for political compromise. With Russia asserting its interests, the Grand Game continues. I suspect you really do believe that, Soren, I really do.  So, where were you when the United States was "colonising" Iraq and Afghanistan?  Were you on the front line, actually putting into practice the beliefs you espouse so strongly?  No, you were sitting at home, in front of your computer, safe and sound, not having to face up to what you're proposing others do.  Intellectually you're foolish, physically, you're a coward. When we see you in downtown Baghdad or Kabul, speaking your mind to the Iraqis and the Afghanis as well as shooting a few dead, of course, then I might have more time for you, Soren.  Until then, you're just an internet pundit who never has to put into action the words you espouse.  Unlike Obama, you're not unloading the dead bodies as they are returned to the United States every weekend.  You're not talking to the families of the dead and wounded, week in, week out.  You're not facing up to the consequences of a policy which he had inherited (and ended) from his foolish predecessor who went into Afghanistan and Iraq, expecting a European style liberation party and instead ended up with tens hundreds of dead American soldiers/marines/airmen/sailors. Instead we see you moaning that Obama is secretly a Muslim or wasn't even born in the USA and so can't fulfil his obligations under the US Constitution to qualify for the office that he was elected to by the American people.   You're cheap and you're foolish, Soren.    You seek to score cheap points for the audience of Islamophobes who run 'round like chooks with their heads cut off whenever the word "Muslim" or "Islam" is mentioned in a conversation.    ::) ::)

That's funny! That's REALLY funny!

Somewhere recently on this forum you said we should not base our actions on what happened 1400 years ago.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

This, from you, who constantly brings up the Crusades when excusing Islamic atrocities.

One supposes, then, that one should not base their opinions or reactions on historical precedents? And you a self-proclaimed 'historian'?

Tell me, Brian, was Obama elected by the 'people'? Or by the vote counted? America is not like this country, Brian, as you know. Voting is optional.

And it's starting to look look like if America won't face the global Islamic threat (disguised how it is), then Putin will.

It will be interesting to see how the US postures on the world stage if they ever have the idiocy to elect another Clinton, or re-elect Osama.

ISIS is merely Islam armed.

There are some who recognise that.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

That's funny! That's REALLY funny! Somewhere recently on this forum you said we should not base our actions on what happened 1400 years ago.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This, from you, who constantly brings up the Crusades when excusing Islamic atrocities.

I have NEVER, EVER, excused any atrocities, Lionel.   I have mentioned the Crusades in attempting to explain to people why those atrocities might have occurred.   You appear to mistake explanation for excuse, why?    ::)


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One supposes, then, that one should not base their opinions or reactions on historical precedents? And you a self-proclaimed 'historian'?

No, one should understand the historical precedents which have brought about the present condition, Lionel.   Unfortunately, all too often critics of Islam and Muslims in particular believe that the events of today are not formulated in the events of yesteryear for some obscure reason.


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Tell me, Brian, was Obama elected by the 'people'? Or by the vote counted? America is not like this country, Brian, as you know. Voting is optional.

He was elected by the voters who cared to partake in the election, Lionel.   As much as that appears to gall you, so was Shrug and Clinton and Bush Senior, and, and, and... ::) ::)


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And it's starting to look look like if America won't face the global Islamic threat (disguised how it is), then Putin will.

Putin appears quite happy to back a MUSLIM leader in Bashr Al'asad, Lionel.   Isn't he a member of this supposed "global Islamic threat"?    ::) ::)

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Obama cannot be re-elected under the US Constitutional limits on the number of terms a US President can serve, Lionel.  Another Clinton?  A possibility but she has more steel I suspect than most on the right are willing to credit her with...   ::)


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ISIS is merely Islam armed. There are some who recognise that.

Then they need to take their Islamophobic blinkers off...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 3:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:26pm: ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 12:34pm: Soren wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 11:48am: oh dear wrote on Oct 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm: I wonder what Obama thinks of the Russians bombing CIA trained rebels fighting the Assad regime? Obama has become that most grotesque of strategic players — an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Or one who is just more cautious than his predecessors?   ::) ::) Nah he is an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend. Basically an idiot with no ball sack. You know, I can always identify you Matty through your frequent allusions to male anatomy. Obama got the USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq.   He has refused to go into Libya and Syria and Nigeria.   He's a hell of a lot smarter than Shrub was.   What a shame you refuse to see that in your continued usage of allusions to male anatomy...   ::) Until O'Bama's election the ME was contained. Now that he pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan, effectively decolonising them far too soon, chaos is back in the ME and it is now spreading to Africa and Europe. Iraq was handed to the shia majority who, with Iranian help, immediately set about antagonising the sunni minority.  He refused to intervene in Syria and Labia with distarous consequences. The entire American establishment, the Clinton-Bush-O'Bama spectrum, is guilty of starting a war without being determined to win it. This is why America is now a an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend - it doesn't carry through either with its threats or with its offers of support. The Muslims will not solve the ME problems. They are too busy fighting each other. It's time to install a few bloody dictators who will keep in check their populations who are clearly not ready for political compromise. With Russia asserting its interests, the Grand Game continues. I suspect you really do believe that, Soren, I really do.  So, where were you when the United States was "colonising" Iraq and Afghanistan?  Were you on the front line, actually putting into practice the beliefs you espouse so strongly?  No, you were sitting at home, in front of your computer, safe and sound, not having to face up to what you're proposing others do.  Intellectually you're foolish, physically, you're a coward.

I was all for the re-colonisation of Iraq and Afghanistan with a view to knock some sense into them.

Remember, the 90s was the decade when we all believed that humanity aspires to the same things. So I too though that if only we could help the Arabs, who are really not that different from us, all would be well.

Like so many universalists, I too have been mugged by reality.  I realised that the Third World, whether Arab or otherwise, is a poo'ole because the people and their beliefs have made these countries poo'oles.  And like the proverb says, you can lead a horse to water but can't make it think - or as Dorothy Parker improved on it, you can take a whore to culture but can't make her think, so with the third world and the Muslims Arabs especially - you can give them the opportunity to negotiate and work through compromises peacefully but they will not take it because they don't think like us.

Good show, old boy.

Carpetbomb them.

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4th, 2015 at 3:59pm: I suspect you really do believe that, Soren, I really do.  So, where were you when the United States was "colonising" Iraq and Afghanistan?  Were you on the front line, actually putting into practice the beliefs you espouse so strongly?  No, you were sitting at home, in front of your computer, safe and sound, not having to face up to what you're proposing others do.  Intellectually you're foolish, physically, you're a coward. I was all for the re-colonisation of Iraq and Afghanistan with a view to knock some sense into them.

And who was going to do the "knocking", Soren?  You or your shills the Americans their allies (including the ADF)?  Of course it wouldn't be you, sitting behind your computer in your nice, safe house, now was it, Soren?   ::)


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Remember, the 90s was the decade when we all believed that humanity aspires to the same things. So I too though that if only we could help the Arabs, who are really not that different from us, all would be well. Like so many universalists, I too have been mugged by reality.  I realised that the Third World, whether Arab or otherwise, is a poo'ole because the people and their beliefs have made these countries poo'oles.  And like the proverb says, you can lead a horse to water but can't make it think - or as Dorothy Parker improved on it, you can take a whore to culture but can't make her think, so with the third world and the Muslims Arabs especially - you can give them the opportunity to negotiate and work through compromises peacefully but they will not take it because they don't think like us.

So, safe and sound behind your computer you came to that conclusion, reading all those other Islamophobic pundits, did you, Soren?

Most cultures (not all, I'm willing to admit) aspire to the same things, more or less, Soren.  Arab, Persian, North African, sub-saharan African, South, South-east Asian, they all aspire to the same set of ideals as does the West and East, North and South, Soren.   Their means of achieving them might be different, but they aren't that different.   That you look at the differences rather than the similarities suggests what about your attitudes?  Mmmm?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

The entire American establishment, the Clinton-Bush-O'Bama spectrum, is guilty of starting a war without being determined to win it. This is why America is now a an impotent enemy and a dangerous friend - it doesn't carry through either with its threats or with its offers of support.

Oh, you naive misled Aussie. America doesn't start wars it can't finish. Those days are long over. America starts wars it can profit from. That is the true sickness of modern American culture.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:20am:

So, safe and sound behind your computer you came to that conclusion, reading all those other Islamophobic pundits, did you, Soren? Most cultures (not all, I'm willing to admit) aspire to the same things, more or less, Soren.  Arab, Persian, North African, sub-saharan African, South, South-east Asian, they all aspire to the same set of ideals as does the West and East, North and South, Soren.   Their means of achieving them might be different, but they aren't that different.   That you look at the differences rather than the similarities suggests what about your attitudes?  Mmmm?   ::)

Why are the Africans, Arabs, other Third Worlders shooce their means as they do when those means are obviously ineffective or outright counter-productive?

Because they want different things MORE than they want harmony, prosperity, cooperation. It is not hard to cooperate if you WANT to. It is only hard to cooperate when people don't really want to cooperate because they want something even more - like tribal domination, corruption, feuding, status and so on.
The Third Worlders do not share with the West one fundamental principle - that in the political sphere we are equal and compromise is absolutely necessary.

Soren wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 12:20am: So, safe and sound behind your computer you came to that conclusion, reading all those other Islamophobic pundits, did you, Soren? Most cultures (not all, I'm willing to admit) aspire to the same things, more or less, Soren.  Arab, Persian, North African, sub-saharan African, South, South-east Asian, they all aspire to the same set of ideals as does the West and East, North and South, Soren.   Their means of achieving them might be different, but they aren't that different.   That you look at the differences rather than the similarities suggests what about your attitudes?  Mmmm?   ::) Why are the Africans, Arabs, other Third Worlders shooce their means as they do when those means are obviously ineffective or outright counter-productive?

Because they are their means, Soren.

You could ask the same question about supposed Western superiority.  Industrialisation, mining, industrialised farming, fracking, industrialised fishing, you name it and to what worth for the environment upon which it all depends?  Bombing and killing innocent civilians?  Just another form of industrialised death machines.   What has all that achieved, Soren, really when we have fools like yourself with your endless bleating about how much you hate and despise everything and everybody who dares to be different to how you believe they should be!   ::)


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Because they want different things MORE than they want harmony, prosperity, cooperation. It is not hard to cooperate if you WANT to. It is only hard to cooperate when people don't really want to cooperate because they want something even more - like tribal domination, corruption, feuding, status and so on.

True and you believe hatred, despise and killing will make them change their minds, Soren?  Really?  We've seen a succession of wars where the great big, nasty United States got trounced by some lowly little guerrilla blokes.  What did they achieve?    ::)


The Third Worlders do not share with the West one fundamental principle - that in the political sphere we are equal and compromise is absolutely necessary.

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Yet mooslimes run around killing people to this day and follow a murdering pedophile. The qur'an tells them to do it. Their is more racism and bigotry and violence in the Qur'an that Adolf Hitlers Mein Kamph.

Gee you must be upset with that brain. Oh wait heres a thought you could just be ignorant of it I guess.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:28am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 12:20am: So, safe and sound behind your computer you came to that conclusion, reading all those other Islamophobic pundits, did you, Soren? Most cultures (not all, I'm willing to admit) aspire to the same things, more or less, Soren.  Arab, Persian, North African, sub-saharan African, South, South-east Asian, they all aspire to the same set of ideals as does the West and East, North and South, Soren.   Their means of achieving them might be different, but they aren't that different.   That you look at the differences rather than the similarities suggests what about your attitudes?  Mmmm?   ::) Why are the Africans, Arabs, other Third Worlders shooce their means as they do when those means are obviously ineffective or outright counter-productive? Because they are their means, Soren. You could ask the same question about supposed Western superiority.  Industrialisation, mining, industrialised farming, fracking, industrialised fishing, you name it and to what worth for the environment upon which it all depends?  Bombing and killing innocent civilians?  Just another form of industrialised death machines.   What has all that achieved, Soren, really when we have fools like yourself with your endless bleating about how much you hate and despise everything and everybody who dares to be different to how you believe they should be!   ::) Quote: Because they want different things MORE than they want harmony, prosperity, cooperation. It is not hard to cooperate if you WANT to. It is only hard to cooperate when people don't really want to cooperate because they want something even more - like tribal domination, corruption, feuding, status and so on. o True and you believe hatred, despise and killing will make them change their minds, Soren?  Really?  We've seen a succession of wars where the great big, nasty United States got trounced by some lowly little guerrilla blokes.  What did they achieve?    ::)

I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West.

To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Third world ways of living and doing are the same. The West has nothing to learn from backward cultures like Islam. Individuals from around the world can and do bring improvements - but that is because they come precisely in the spirit of Western free inquiry and creativity , not in the spirit of Islamic submission to dogma.  That freedom and creativity are the key - and they are uniquely Western. Fit in with that if you want to come to the West or stay in you Thirdy Worldy cultural backwater of clannish, tribal macho obsession with face, pride, submission.

The West has fought long and hard to shed these manias. No need to let them in under the guise of 'diversity' or 'multiculturalism' or, god help us, 'tolerance'.
We must not tolerate the backwardness that we have fought so hard to shed and leave behind. It must not creep back in under the guise of diversity, tolerance etc.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:28am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 12:20am: So, safe and sound behind your computer you came to that conclusion, reading all those other Islamophobic pundits, did you, Soren? Most cultures (not all, I'm willing to admit) aspire to the same things, more or less, Soren.  Arab, Persian, North African, sub-saharan African, South, South-east Asian, they all aspire to the same set of ideals as does the West and East, North and South, Soren.   Their means of achieving them might be different, but they aren't that different.   That you look at the differences rather than the similarities suggests what about your attitudes?  Mmmm?   ::) Why are the Africans, Arabs, other Third Worlders choose their means as they do when those means are obviously ineffective or outright counter-productive? Because they are their means, Soren.

Quite, Brain. People make shite holes of their countries, nobody else.

You empty Switzerland of the Swiss and fill it with Haitians or Somalis and it WILL be a shite hole in a year or two. People create countries in their won image, like they do with their gods, cities, art, literature. culture, etc.

Soren wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 9:00pm: Soren wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 11:28am: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2015 at 12:20am: So, safe and sound behind your computer you came to that conclusion, reading all those other Islamophobic pundits, did you, Soren? Most cultures (not all, I'm willing to admit) aspire to the same things, more or less, Soren.  Arab, Persian, North African, sub-saharan African, South, South-east Asian, they all aspire to the same set of ideals as does the West and East, North and South, Soren.   Their means of achieving them might be different, but they aren't that different.   That you look at the differences rather than the similarities suggests what about your attitudes?  Mmmm?   ::) Why are the Africans, Arabs, other Third Worlders shooce their means as they do when those means are obviously ineffective or outright counter-productive? Because they are their means, Soren. You could ask the same question about supposed Western superiority.  Industrialisation, mining, industrialised farming, fracking, industrialised fishing, you name it and to what worth for the environment upon which it all depends?  Bombing and killing innocent civilians?  Just another form of industrialised death machines.   What has all that achieved, Soren, really when we have fools like yourself with your endless bleating about how much you hate and despise everything and everybody who dares to be different to how you believe they should be!   ::) Quote: Because they want different things MORE than they want harmony, prosperity, cooperation. It is not hard to cooperate if you WANT to. It is only hard to cooperate when people don't really want to cooperate because they want something even more - like tribal domination, corruption, feuding, status and so on. o True and you believe hatred, despise and killing will make them change their minds, Soren?  Really?  We've seen a succession of wars where the great big, nasty United States got trounced by some lowly little guerrilla blokes.  What did they achieve?    ::) I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West. To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Third world ways of living and doing are the same. The West has nothing to learn from backward cultures like Islam. Individuals from around the world can and do bring improvements - but that is because they come precisely in the spirit of Western free inquiry and creativity , not in the spirit of Islamic submission to dogma.  That freedom and creativity are the key - and they are uniquely Western. Fit in with that if you want to come to the West or stay in you Thirdy Worldy cultural backwater of clannish, tribal macho obsession with face, pride, submission. The West has fought long and hard to shed these manias. No need to let them in under the guise of 'diversity' or 'multiculturalism' or, god help us, 'tolerance'. We must not tolerate the backwardness that we have fought so hard to shed and leave behind. It must not creep back in under the guise of diversity, tolerance etc.

Good of you to repeat it, dear boy.

Lest we forget, no?

Why bother you just make people loath muslims all the more karnal. No ones ever going to like you outside Palestine mate.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 11:10pm:

Why bother you just make people loath muslims all the more karnal. No ones ever going to like you outside Palestine mate.

Pakistan, mate. Isn't it?

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Pakistan, mate. Isn't it?

Does it really matter?

A muslim is a muslim wherever they may be.

Where has islam, allah and muhammad got them?

muslims on the whole are the most inbred, low I.Q., live in squalor and poverty, backward people on this planet.

Resistant to progress through their own daily self indoctrination.

Ensnared by unintelligent teachings of muhammad a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, as being divinely immutable and never to be changed.   

Encouraged to stay exactly where they are by fawning apologists, who are trapped by their own hatred of the West, America, the Jews, Israel, Christianity etc. etc..

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 2:39pm:

You know, I can always identify a fool who has had his ass handed to him. They always resort to childish name calling.

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I understand you are retarded. You are a dick. You are an ignoramus. You clearly have some mental issue. Like a lesbian transgender school girl with no titties or girfriend. Try and be a man instead of a spineless jellyfish.

moses wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Karnal wrote: Quote: Pakistan, mate. Isn't it? Does it really matter? A muslim is a muslim wherever they may be. Where has islam, allah and muhammad got them? muslims on the whole are the most inbred, low I.Q., live in squalor and poverty, backward people on this planet.

It is so, effendi. We are all Muslims, isn't it?

Even when it isn't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 3rd, 2015 at 2:39pm: You know, I can always identify a fool who has had his ass handed to him. They always resort to childish name calling. ordinaryguy: Quote: I understand you are retarded. You are a dick. You are an ignoramus. You clearly have some mental issue. Like a lesbian transgender school girl with no titties or girfriend. Try and be a man instead of a spineless jellyfish.

That doesn't seem childish at all, it looks spot on to me.
You should try and be a man greg. You never know your luck, your cred might go through the roof. Nahhh

Soren wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West.

Yet, the West values freedom and tolerates changes, Soren.   Well, most of the West which is liberal and democratic, unlike your version which is narrow and authoritarian...   ::)


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To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West.

Really?  Yet I believe and so do most other people, otherwise, Soren.  Did you being any improvement to Australia when you migrated?  I doubt it.  You brought your narrow-minded, closed minded ways which only reinforced those views downunder.   ::)

Thank goodness you are of the past, Soren, thank goodness!   8-)

Please don’t mention liberal and democratic, Brain. The old boy does have the right to not be offended, you know.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:48pm: I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West. Yet, the West values freedom and tolerates changes, Soren.   Well, most of the West which is liberal and democratic, unlike your version which is narrow and authoritarian...   ::) Quote: To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Really?  Yet I believe and so do most other people, otherwise, Soren.  Did you being any improvement to Australia when you migrated?  I doubt it.  You brought your narrow-minded, closed minded ways which only reinforced those views downunder.   ::) Thank goodness you are of the past, Soren, thank goodness!   8-)

Don't talk about me, Brain.

The point is - Islam brings no improvement to the West. Don't deflect to me, an individual.
Address the point I made - highlighted for you.

Karnal wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

Please don’t mention liberal and democratic, Brain. The old boy does have the right to not be offended, you know.

Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West.


Thoughts? - if that's not too much to ask you, PB. (we know it is but let's pretend it isn't).

Yes, old chap, but the homos is to die for, no?

Karnal wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Yes, old chap, but the homos is to die for, no?

Thank you moron, it was too much to ask but at least you can't say I wasn't tolerant of your idiocy.

Liberalism in practice.

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:16pm: Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:48pm: I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West. Yet, the West values freedom and tolerates changes, Soren.   Well, most of the West which is liberal and democratic, unlike your version which is narrow and authoritarian...   ::) Quote: To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Really?  Yet I believe and so do most other people, otherwise, Soren.  Did you being any improvement to Australia when you migrated?  I doubt it.  You brought your narrow-minded, closed minded ways which only reinforced those views downunder.   ::) Thank goodness you are of the past, Soren, thank goodness!   8-) Don't talk about me, Brain.

Why ever not, Soren?  You are the best counter-argument I have to everything you claim!   ::)


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The point is - Islam brings no improvement to the West. Don't deflect to me, an individual. Address the point I made - highlighted for you.

Who ever said it had to bring anything, other than itself to the West, Soren?  As I pointed out, what did you bring with yourself which "improved Australia"?  Nothing, zilch, nada.  Would I have wanted you to bring something with you?  Nope.  Your mere presence is sufficient to show us a better way is possible, Soren!   ::)

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 11:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 11:47pm: Please don’t mention liberal and democratic, Brain. The old boy does have the right to not be offended, you know. Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Thoughts? - if that's not too much to ask you, PB. (we know it is but let's pretend it isn't).

Well, dear boy, there are a few, but here's mine. Giving alms to the poor is one of Islam's pillars. Here's what the evil Muselman says about it:


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Firstly, charity in Islam is much broader than giving money to the poor, and can be exercised just as well even where there is no poverty, as shown above. Secondly, giving charity, or the doing of any good to someone, must be done as a duty, not to degrade them or to ask for thanks. The Holy Quran tells us: "A kind word with forgiveness is better than charity followed by injury.. . . O you who believe, make not your charity worthless by reproach and injury, like him who spends his wealth to be seen by people. . ." (2:263-264) Thirdly, charity should be given solely out of love for God, out of the desire to do good to His creation, as the Quran says about the righteous: "They give food, out of love for Him (Allah), to the poor, the orphan, and the slave, saying: We feed you only for Allah's pleasure - we desire from you neither reward nor thanks." (76:8,9)

http://www.muslim.org/islam/int-is44.htm

This doesn't apply to your good self, dear boy. You gave at the office, no?

In light of the above.

muslims have had untold $billions at their disposal for the last 100 or so years (oil).

Why aren't all muslims living in Utopia?

Why right now 2015, are muslims frothing at the mouth demanding that the accursed infidel provide millions of them with security and shelter?

Why are muslims a world wide security threat?

When are muslims going to have the guts to accept the fact, islam has got them nowhere, they are the cause of their own problems?

All good questions, Moses. Do you believe in giving charity out of love for God?

Do you believe a kind word in forgiveness is better than charity followed by reproach and injury?

Do you believe charity should be given for its own end, and not for thanks or praise or reward?

Just say if you don’t. We’re all friends here.

moses wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

In light of the above. muslims have had untold $billions at their disposal for the last 100 or so years (oil). Why aren't all muslims living in Utopia?

They are statistically mentally slow.


moses wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Why right now 2015, are muslims frothing at the mouth demanding that the accursed infidel provide millions of them with security and shelter?

Yeah its a bit of a cack aye. Why would you give em help if they cant even turn that into helping themselves. Then they bite the so called hand that feeds them.


moses wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Why are muslims a world wide security threat?

The Qur'an and mentally slow individuals.


moses wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

When are muslims going to have the guts to accept the fact, islam has got them nowhere, they are the cause of their own problems?

Never

Karnal wrote: Reply #51 - Yesterday at 7:59pm:


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All good questions, Moses. Do you believe in giving charity out of love for God? Do you believe a kind word in forgiveness is better than charity followed by reproach and injury? Do you believe charity should be given for its own end, and not for thanks or praise or reward? Just say if you don’t. We’re all friends here.

Why are you asking me?

The subject matter is:

The muslim and his / her inability to live in peace with anyone.

His / her self induced fanaticism, resulting in the most evil and inhumane human right atrocities being committed in the name of a satanic allah.

His / her total inability to create a civilized life for themselves, always demanding infidels give them security and shelter from their own evil kind.

His / her arriving in an infidels land, only to carry on their filth and perversion resulting in them still actively supporting and carrying out the said human rights atrocities.

The list goes on muslims have a lot of questions to answer.

Now since you desperately are trying to create a smoke screen for muslim atrocities and inability to live in a civilized and decent manner.

My personal opinion of charity is that it is absolutely a gifted grant for genuine people who are truly in need.

I also recognize there are a lot of people who are hypocrites and deceitful users who defraud our charities and welfare, no I don't believe said cheaters deserve anything (they are dishonestly stealing from those in genuine need).

Now to get back to the subject at hand I reiterate:

muslims have had untold $billions at their disposal for the last 100 or so years (oil).

Why aren't all muslims living in Utopia?

Why right now 2015, are muslims frothing at the mouth demanding that the accursed infidel provide millions of them with security and shelter?

Why are muslims a world wide security threat?

When are muslims going to have the guts to accept the fact, islam has got them nowhere, they are the cause of their own problems?

moses wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Karnal wrote: Reply #51 - Yesterday at 7:59pm: Quote: All good questions, Moses. Do you believe in giving charity out of love for God? Do you believe a kind word in forgiveness is better than charity followed by reproach and injury? Do you believe charity should be given for its own end, and not for thanks or praise or reward? Just say if you don’t. We’re all friends here. Why are you asking me?

Because I'm curious. You're a Christian, no? I'm sure you're read the parable about the good Samaritan.

I'm a yogi. We have a very similar take on service and charity in our tradition.

So there you have it. Muslims, Christians, yogis. We all believe a very similar thing. Be nice to others, give to those who need it, share kind words and deeds. I'm not sure what the old boy thinks - he won't say - but I think these are useful additions to any human society.

What do you think, Moses?

Karnal wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

All good questions, Moses. Do you believe in giving charity out of love for God?

Charities were established in the West long before Muslim migration (partly because there is nothing Muslim about charity). You cannot treat Muslim charity as an improvement on the West. Any other suggestions, PB?

Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West - refute it if you can.

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Because I'm curious. You're a Christian, no? I'm sure you're read the parable about the good Samaritan. I'm a yogi. We have a very similar take on service and charity in our tradition. So there you have it. Muslims, Christians, yogis. We all believe a very similar thing. Be nice to others, give to those who need it, share kind words and deeds. I'm not sure what the old boy thinks - he won't say - but I think these are useful additions to any human society. What do you think, Moses?

What do I think?

I think muslims and their apologists are a bunch of lying hypocrites.

Why has the muslim version of sharing and kind deeds resulted in an islamic society of unstable blood crazed fanatics?

Why are muslims killing other muslims?

Why are muslims killing Christians?

Why are muslims killing Buddhists?

Why can't muslims live in peace with anyone including their own kind?

Why are muslims a world wide terror threat?

Why haven't muslims used the $trillions of oil money to make islamic society the utopia of the world, instead of the inbred, low I.Q., squalor and poverty ridden cesspits they are?

Why are millions of muslims demanding that the hated infidels feed and shelter them, while they carry on their fanaticism inspired depravities?

Why do muslims practice a satanic ritual (islam) which unequivocally states that the islamic killer is the highest grade of muslim  there is (assured a place in paradise surrounded by houris with big tits)?

muslims and their apologists have absolutely no right to criticize any non muslim entity, clean their own backyard first. 

You already said all that, Moses. I asked what you thought of charity.

Selective reading Karnal?

Reply #53 - Yesterday at 3:36pm I wrote:


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My personal opinion of charity is that it is absolutely a gifted grant for genuine people who are truly in need. I also recognize there are a lot of people who are hypocrites and deceitful users who defraud our charities and welfare, no I don't believe said cheaters deserve anything (they are dishonestly stealing from those in genuine need).

Now why are the muzzies what they are? 

moses wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Selective reading Karnal? Reply #53 - Yesterday at 3:36pm I wrote: Quote: My personal opinion of charity is that it is absolutely a gifted grant for genuine people who are truly in need. I also recognize there are a lot of people who are hypocrites and deceitful users who defraud our charities and welfare, no I don't believe said cheaters deserve anything (they are dishonestly stealing from those in genuine need). Now why are the muzzies what they are?

Thanks, Moses. It would appear that you disagree with my quotes on charity. You argue here that charity is conditional, a harsh word is preferable, and charity is not for God’s sake, but a form of divination between the righteous and the deceitful.

No worries.

I’ve been assisted by Muslims who were much poorer than me. I was put up in a house once by strangers in India when I missed my train. They were Kashmiris, their son found me at the station. I could easily have got a hotel room - I wanted to. But they offered me a meal and a bed and wanted nothing for it. Someone, of course, was required to sleep on the floor.

Who cheated who? I must make 30 times that family’s income. But charity, remember, is for God. When a stranger comes to your house, treat them as God. That family didn’t mark me as a rich foreigner out to rip them off. They saw me as someone to give freely to, in their own way.

And this, if you’re reading, old boy, is the difference between giving at the office and giving charity to God. It’s a value few of us have in our culture, but it’s the social glue in many places I’ve been.

Karnal wrote:


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Thanks, Moses. It would appear that you disagree with my quotes on charity. You argue here that charity is conditional, a harsh word is preferable, and charity is not for God’s sake, but a form of divination between the righteous and the deceitful. No worries. I’ve been assisted by Muslims who were much poorer than me. I was put up in a house once by strangers in India when I missed my train. They were Kashmiris, their son found me at the station. I could easily have got a hotel room - I wanted to. But they offered me a meal and a bed and wanted nothing for it. Someone, of course, was required to sleep on the floor. Who cheated who? I must make 30 times that family’s income. But charity, remember, is for God. When a stranger comes to your house, treat them as God. That family didn’t mark me as a rich foreigner out to rip them off. They saw me as someone to give freely to, in their own way. And this, if you’re reading, old boy, is the difference between giving at the office and giving charity to God. It’s a value few of us have in our culture, but it’s the social glue in many places I’ve been.

Your example is not what I envisage as charity.

I don't believe that when I help an elderly woman with a trolley full of shopping through a door is charity, help a broken down motorist change a flat tyre is charity, turn my car around and tow a broken down motorist 50 or so klms to the nearest service station is charity,  go out of my way to take someone to their destination, because they are unable to get there is charity, help someone with the building of a shed in their backyard is charity, mow my neighbours lawn as he is disposed is charity etc.etc.etc.

These are mundane doing the right thing by your fellow man deeds, as he / she is under a temporary inconvenience. I am simply doing the best I can to be a good bloke.


I refer to charity as helping someone in dire need e.g. they lose all their possessions in a disaster, a family member suffers a permanent debilitating medical condition, a death in the family, people who through no fault of their own find themselves in an absolutely devastating financial or physical position etc. etc. etc. I'm sure you get my drift.

The help provided to them is my definition of charity.

Yes when it comes to charity as I describe it, there are people who go out of their way to defraud the charity and steal from the genuine cases.

Good to see you think about charity, Moses. If you read the Muslim.quotes and gave them some thought, you’d see that these things are just what they were talking about, but with an exception - charity delivered with a harsh word is not charity.

I work part-time for a Christian charity. It’s not the charity’s fault, but many of the people who work there want to lord it over the people they are there to serve. I have heard no end of insults and abuse of people who made meek enquiries about help. I hear this from co-workers on a nightly basis when I work. The hostility towards the poor is deeply engrained, and these are the people we train and pay to work with the poor.

This is the charity the old boy provides when he gets out his cheque book at tax time.

If you read the ancient texts, and I include the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita alike, all say that this sort of charity cancels out the goodness intended in the act of giving. Charity should be given freely - without condition or expectation - or it is not charity. If you give with harsh words, it is as if you gave a slap or blow, and God does not receieve it.

This is the lesson those Kashmiris taught me in practice, and yes, I think my own culture has a lot to learn.

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

And this, if you’re reading, old boy, is the difference between giving at the office and giving charity to God. It’s a value few of us have in our culture, but it’s the social glue in many places I’ve been.

Christian charity predates Muslim charity by centuries and is far more extensive.
Islam bring no improvement of any kind to the West. It is an agent of re-primitivisation and darkening and narrowing of intellectual, social, political, personal horizons everywhere.

Karnal wrote:
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Good to see you think about charity, Moses. If you read the Muslim.quotes and gave them some thought, you’d see that these things are just what they were talking about, but with an exception - charity delivered with a harsh word is not charity. I work part-time for a Christian charity. It’s not the charity’s fault, but many of the people who work there want to lord it over the people they are there to serve. I have heard no end of insults and abuse of people who made meek enquiries about help. I hear this from co-workers on a nightly basis when I work. The hostility towards the poor is deeply engrained, and these are the people we train and pay to work with the poor. This is the charity the old boy provides when he gets out his cheque book at tax time. If you read the ancient texts, and I include the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita alike, all say that this sort of charity cancels out the goodness intended in the act of giving. Charity should be given freely - without condition or expectation - or it is not charity. If you give with harsh words, it is as if you gave a slap or blow, and God does not receieve it. This is the lesson those Kashmiris taught me in practice, and yes, I think my own culture has a lot to learn.

I'm fairly sure we all know what charity is, I also reckon that we all know there are some hypocritical people out there.

I question the muslims commitment to charity based on the very deeds of muslims themselves.

I'm sick and tired of the lies and excuses, it's got nothing to do with islam, it's every body elses fault etc. etc..

When are muslims going to take responsibility for themselves and admit they are total failures?

When are apologists going to stop trying to fraudently tell us islam is no worse than any other belief?

moses wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Karnal wrote: Quote: Good to see you think about charity, Moses. If you read the Muslim.quotes and gave them some thought, you’d see that these things are just what they were talking about, but with an exception - charity delivered with a harsh word is not charity. I work part-time for a Christian charity. It’s not the charity’s fault, but many of the people who work there want to lord it over the people they are there to serve. I have heard no end of insults and abuse of people who made meek enquiries about help. I hear this from co-workers on a nightly basis when I work. The hostility towards the poor is deeply engrained, and these are the people we train and pay to work with the poor. This is the charity the old boy provides when he gets out his cheque book at tax time. If you read the ancient texts, and I include the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita alike, all say that this sort of charity cancels out the goodness intended in the act of giving. Charity should be given freely - without condition or expectation - or it is not charity. If you give with harsh words, it is as if you gave a slap or blow, and God does not receieve it. This is the lesson those Kashmiris taught me in practice, and yes, I think my own culture has a lot to learn. I'm fairly sure we all know what charity is, I also reckon that we all know there are some hypocritical people out there. I question the muslims commitment to charity based on the very deeds of muslims themselves. I'm sick and tired of the lies and excuses, it's got nothing to do with islam, it's every body elses fault etc. etc.. When are muslims going to take responsibility for themselves and admit they are total failures? When are apologists going to stop trying to fraudently tell us islam is no worse than any other belief?

No worries, Moses. You’re saying I should ignore my own experience with Muslim charity and stop defrauding you, presumably by agreeing with you about Muslims.

Allow me to give this a go. Can you tell me what experiences you’ve had with Muslim charity so I’ve got something to go on?

Please give me something to work with here, so I can ignore every experience I’ve ever had with Muslim strangers, Muslim neighbours, Muslim fellow students and co-workers.

What’s your experience?

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 11:54am: And this, if you’re reading, old boy, is the difference between giving at the office and giving charity to God. It’s a value few of us have in our culture, but it’s the social glue in many places I’ve been. Christian charity predates Muslim charity by centuries and is far more extensive. Islam bring no improvement of any kind to the West. It is an agent of re-primitivisation and darkening and narrowing of intellectual, social, political, personal horizons everywhere.

I know, old boy. You said all that before.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 12:37am:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 11:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:16pm: Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:48pm: I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West. Yet, the West values freedom and tolerates changes, Soren.   Well, most of the West which is liberal and democratic, unlike your version which is narrow and authoritarian...   ::) Quote: To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Really?  Yet I believe and so do most other people, otherwise, Soren.  Did you being any improvement to Australia when you migrated?  I doubt it.  You brought your narrow-minded, closed minded ways which only reinforced those views downunder.   ::) Thank goodness you are of the past, Soren, thank goodness!   8-) Don't talk about me, Brain. Why ever not, Soren?  You are the best counter-argument I have to everything you claim!   ::)

Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West.

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 1:55pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 11:54am: And this, if you’re reading, old boy, is the difference between giving at the office and giving charity to God. It’s a value few of us have in our culture, but it’s the social glue in many places I’ve been. Christian charity predates Muslim charity by centuries and is far more extensive. Islam bring no improvement of any kind to the West. It is an agent of re-primitivisation and darkening and narrowing of intellectual, social, political, personal horizons everywhere. I know, old boy. You said all that before.

Dear oh dear, you commenting on repetition?  Dear oh bloody dear. 

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2015 at 12:37am: Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 11:50pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:16pm: Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:48pm: I do not care what they do, what means they choose - as long as they stay where they are. If they are not interested in adopting Western means, values, institutions, fine. But then stay the hell out of the West. Yet, the West values freedom and tolerates changes, Soren.   Well, most of the West which is liberal and democratic, unlike your version which is narrow and authoritarian...   ::) Quote: To repeat - Islamic ways of living and doing things bring zero improvement to the West. Really?  Yet I believe and so do most other people, otherwise, Soren.  Did you being any improvement to Australia when you migrated?  I doubt it.  You brought your narrow-minded, closed minded ways which only reinforced those views downunder.   ::) Thank goodness you are of the past, Soren, thank goodness!   8-) Don't talk about me, Brain. Why ever not, Soren?  You are the best counter-argument I have to everything you claim!   ::) Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West.

Ah yes, old boy, but you’ll always be culturally alien to us, no?

Karnal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Ah yes, old boy, but you’ll always be culturally alien to us, no?

And who would not want to be culturally alien to a Pakistani Bügger like you, PB??



http://thepeoplescube.com/images/mohammed/Visualize_Peace.jpg

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West.

And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::)

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:56pm: Ah yes, old boy, but you’ll always be culturally alien to us, no? And who would not want to be culturally alien to a Pakistani Bügger like you, PB?? http://thepeoplescube.com/images/mohammed/Visualize_Peace.jpg

50,000 years, old boy. We invented a stick. What did you Huns bring?

A stollen.

Be it a stick or a stollen, you’ll always be welcome here.. After all, we’ll always need stool.

Remember, you’re free to smear it into the rich tapestry of our great little social experiment. Bombs away, old boy.

If you make a mess, you can always go home, no?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West. And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::)

Why the bloody hell are they leaving their Muslim lands, where they can live as fully formed Muslims, only to go to Kaffirland to hassle the Kaffirinto being like the countries the Muslims have just left??

You are completely unmoored, Brain: Muslims leave Muslim lands because they are shite'oles but badger Europeans to turn their own countries into the sh!t'oles the Muslims have just left.



Love and tolerance and idiotic BS.

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West. And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::) Why the bloody hell are they leaving their Muslim lands, where they can live as fully formed Muslims, only to go to Kaffirland to hassle the Kaffirinto being like the countries the Muslims have just left??

Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren, just as only a tiny minority think you do.  Get used to it.

Perhaps the reason why they left Syria was 'cause people were trying to kill them?  Nah!  That's not a valid reason in your book, now is it?   ::)


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You are completely unmoored, Brain: Muslims leave Muslim lands because they are shite'oles but badger Europeans to turn their own countries into the sh!t'oles the Muslims have just left. Love and tolerance and idiotic BS.

Yes, it is, in your narrow, twisted little mind, Soren.  In the minds of most other people it is call liberty and freedom and above all else, safety from loons, who unfortunately think just like you.   Perhaps you should go to Syria and tell the followers of al Bagdadi where they are going wrong?  Be a real education for you and them, I think, Soren!   ::)

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West. And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::) Why the bloody hell are they leaving their Muslim lands, where they can live as fully formed Muslims, only to go to Kaffirland to hassle the Kaffirinto being like the countries the Muslims have just left?? You are completely unmoored, Brain: Muslims leave Muslim lands because they are shite'oles but badger Europeans to turn their own countries into the sh!t'oles the Muslims have just left. Love and tolerance and idiotic BS.

Why did you leave your jolly liebensraum, old chap? You’ve never said.

If you don’t mind my saying, people are talking. Why don’t you put all this scandallous chatter to rest?

Karnal wrote:Reply #64 - Yesterday at 2:15pm


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No worries, Moses. You’re saying I should ignore my own experience with Muslim charity and stop defrauding you, presumably by agreeing with you about Muslims. Allow me to give this a go. Can you tell me what experiences you’ve had with Muslim charity so I’ve got something to go on? Please give me something to work with here, so I can ignore every experience I’ve ever had with Muslim strangers, Muslim neighbours, Muslim fellow students and co-workers. What’s your experience?

What I can't understand is how you as a charitable person (with an immense understanding of islamic charity) hasn't done something to counter the absolute debasement muslims have put themselves in.

It is a world wide problem, so you can be assured of being considered a nobel laureate of world renoun for your charitable works.

However in light of the fact that muslims have shown us exactly what they are (religious fanatical lunatics) a death cult no less, I believe you're talking through your hat.

However prove me wrong, the world will thank you, simply get muslims to show each other islamic charity, that's not too much to ask is it?

Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims squandering their untold oil $trillions on creating cesspits of civilization, instead of utopias?

Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: millions of muslims scrambling around the globe demanding the accursed infidels feed and shelter them?

Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims being regarded as a world wide terror threat?

Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims around the globe practicing rape torture and murder, in order to enter paradise with it's abundance of houris with big tits?

Me I know the muslim is what he / she is because of the crap in the qur'an.

You claim superior knowledge, you claim muslims have a wonderful charity system, go and tell the muslims for goodness sake.   

Is that it? You've read the Koran?

Moses, even that claim is a little exaggerated, as we both know. You've read the Jihadwatch quotes - that's it.

I'm sorry, but you'll have to do a little better than that if you want to turn apologists like me around. You seem to forget that you're talking about real people here - people I have met and know. The anonymity and abstraction of the internet distances you from reality.

It makes me believe that the more angry and judgmental your rhetoric becomes, the less you actually know. I think you like making these claims because it makes you feel superior to others, but you should be aware that it's not having the effect of convincing anyone.

The only person you seem to be convincing is yourself.

If you're fair dinkum Karnal, time and the truth will *turn you around*.

Or maybe you're one of those who run with islam because it is the enemy of your enemy (Christianity), in which case you're stuck with them forever.

I don't know what you're situation is.

What I do know with absolute certainty and conviction is:

islam is not a fit religion for a civilized 21st century society.

islam is trapped by it's own stupidity and evilness, the core dogma that the depraved teachings of a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer muhammad, are divinely immutable and can never be changed, is the rock on which they will perish.

To survive islam has to reform, to reform is to admit islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an are wrong e.g. islam dies.

moses wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

If you're fair dinkum Karnal, time and the truth will *turn you around*.

So you've given up?

You know what my situation is, Moses. I've explained it pretty clearly. You're asking me to accept that neighbours and friends and people I've met are evil, and you've acknowledged that you don't even have any experiences of your own to go on.

What's going to turn me around? I hope you're not going to advocate "a successful terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and put the grown-ups in charge of our security again". That was longy's pitch.

If you can't show me the truth, who should?

moses wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

Karnal wrote:Reply #64 - Yesterday at 2:15pm Quote: No worries, Moses. You’re saying I should ignore my own experience with Muslim charity and stop defrauding you, presumably by agreeing with you about Muslims. Allow me to give this a go. Can you tell me what experiences you’ve had with Muslim charity so I’ve got something to go on? Please give me something to work with here, so I can ignore every experience I’ve ever had with Muslim strangers, Muslim neighbours, Muslim fellow students and co-workers. What’s your experience? What I can't understand is how you as a charitable person (with an immense understanding of islamic charity) hasn't done something to counter the absolute debasement muslims have put themselves in. It is a world wide problem, so you can be assured of being considered a nobel laureate of world renoun for your charitable works. However in light of the fact that muslims have shown us exactly what they are (religious fanatical lunatics) a death cult no less, I believe you're talking through your hat. However prove me wrong, the world will thank you, simply get muslims to show each other islamic charity, that's not too much to ask is it? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims squandering their untold oil $trillions on creating cesspits of civilization, instead of utopias? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: millions of muslims scrambling around the globe demanding the accursed infidels feed and shelter them? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims being regarded as a world wide terror threat? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims around the globe practicing rape torture and murder, in order to enter paradise with it's abundance of houris with big tits? Me I know the muslim is what he / she is because of the crap in the qur'an. You claim superior knowledge, you claim muslims have a wonderful charity system, go and tell the muslims for goodness sake.

You do realize all he does is look at who posted and if you aren't a muslim enabler it is ignored. They are plain ignorant and aren't here to actually learn anything. After all the fictitious qu'ran says we are all wrong.

Karnal wrote:


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So you've given up?

There's nothing to give up, we're on opposite sides of the fence simple as that.


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You know what my situation is, Moses. I've explained it pretty clearly. You're asking me to accept that neighbours and friends and people I've met are evil, and you've acknowledged that you don't even have any experiences of your own to go on.

World events show me that islam is a degenerate evil ideology. Any muslim who refuses to denounce the islamic heinousness which engenders muslim inspired human rights atrocities, by definition accepts the islamic inhumanity. 


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What's going to turn me around? I hope you're not going to advocate "a successful terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and put the grown-ups in charge of our security again". That was longy's pitch.

We've already had muslim terrorist attacks, we have already got hundreds of Aussie muslim men / women / children actively participating in full blown terror overseas, you are in the apologists clique, you are on the side of the muslims I'm not. 


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If you can't show me the truth, who should?

You yourself decide by looking at world events you choose for yourself

It is entirely your decision, I've made my choice, you have made yours, we are on opposing sides.

moses wrote on Oct 12^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

Karnal wrote:Reply #64 - Yesterday at 2:15pm Quote: No worries, Moses. You’re saying I should ignore my own experience with Muslim charity and stop defrauding you, presumably by agreeing with you about Muslims. Allow me to give this a go. Can you tell me what experiences you’ve had with Muslim charity so I’ve got something to go on? Please give me something to work with here, so I can ignore every experience I’ve ever had with Muslim strangers, Muslim neighbours, Muslim fellow students and co-workers. What’s your experience? What I can't understand is how you as a charitable person (with an immense understanding of islamic charity) hasn't done something to counter the absolute debasement muslims have put themselves in. It is a world wide problem, so you can be assured of being considered a nobel laureate of world renoun for your charitable works. However in light of the fact that muslims have shown us exactly what they are (religious fanatical lunatics) a death cult no less, I believe you're talking through your hat. However prove me wrong, the world will thank you, simply get muslims to show each other islamic charity, that's not too much to ask is it? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims squandering their untold oil $trillions on creating cesspits of civilization, instead of utopias? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: millions of muslims scrambling around the globe demanding the accursed infidels feed and shelter them? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims being regarded as a world wide terror threat? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims around the globe practicing rape torture and murder, in order to enter paradise with it's abundance of houris with big tits? Me I know the muslim is what he / she is because of the crap in the qur'an. You claim superior knowledge, you claim muslims have a wonderful charity system, go and tell the muslims for goodness sake.

You do realise, don't you, Moses that every thing you've said against Islam was once said against Christianity in the middle of last Century?   ::)

Putin for the win


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Islamic State militants have lost "most" of their ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment in Russian airstrikes, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday. At least 86 ISIS targets were hit during 88 sorties in the last 24 hours. Sukhoi Su-24M and Su-34 bombers, together with Su-25SM ground support aircrafts targeted Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) sites in the provinces of Raqqah, Hama, Idlib, Latakia and Aleppo, according to the ministry. The jets hit command posts, ammunition and armament depots, military vehicles, plants producing explosives, field camps and bases.

https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia/

I heard he started cluster bombing the feckers, if anyone deserves that they do. Good on him and his BALLS of STEEL.

Unlike obama and his qu'ran of shame.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West. And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::) Why the bloody hell are they leaving their Muslim lands, where they can live as fully formed Muslims, only to go to Kaffirland to hassle the Kaffir into being like the countries the Muslims have just left?? Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren.

Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size??

I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

moses wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 at 11:09am: Karnal wrote:Reply #64 - Yesterday at 2:15pm Quote: No worries, Moses. You’re saying I should ignore my own experience with Muslim charity and stop defrauding you, presumably by agreeing with you about Muslims. Allow me to give this a go. Can you tell me what experiences you’ve had with Muslim charity so I’ve got something to go on? Please give me something to work with here, so I can ignore every experience I’ve ever had with Muslim strangers, Muslim neighbours, Muslim fellow students and co-workers. What’s your experience? What I can't understand is how you as a charitable person (with an immense understanding of islamic charity) hasn't done something to counter the absolute debasement muslims have put themselves in. It is a world wide problem, so you can be assured of being considered a nobel laureate of world renoun for your charitable works. However in light of the fact that muslims have shown us exactly what they are (religious fanatical lunatics) a death cult no less, I believe you're talking through your hat. However prove me wrong, the world will thank you, simply get muslims to show each other islamic charity, that's not too much to ask is it? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims squandering their untold oil $trillions on creating cesspits of civilization, instead of utopias? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: millions of muslims scrambling around the globe demanding the accursed infidels feed and shelter them? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims being regarded as a world wide terror threat? Why has your fabled muslim charity resulted in: muslims around the globe practicing rape torture and murder, in order to enter paradise with it's abundance of houris with big tits? Me I know the muslim is what he / she is because of the crap in the qur'an. You claim superior knowledge, you claim muslims have a wonderful charity system, go and tell the muslims for goodness sake.    You do realise, don't you, Moses that every thing you've said against Islam was once said against Christianity in the middle of last Century?   ::)

Complete bollocks, of course.  The 'Christianity used to be like Islam' line is a load of utter nonsense, no wonder you peddle it, Brain.

The pertinent question is: why hasn't Islam evolved?  Christianity has changed, why doesn't Submission? (because you can't change 'Submission' to ' reasoned and considered agreement', that's why).

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West. And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::) Why the bloody hell are they leaving their Muslim lands, where they can live as fully formed Muslims, only to go to Kaffirland to hassle the Kaffir into being like the countries the Muslims have just left?? Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren. Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size?? I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views.

I know you have no idea, Soren.  Your Islamophobia prevents you from accepting anything less than 100% in any survey...    ::)

With all your islamophobia going on brain its a wonder you don't check under your bed in case you said something wrong.

... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

Putin for the win Quote: Islamic State militants have lost "most" of their ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment in Russian airstrikes, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday. At least 86 ISIS targets were hit during 88 sorties in the last 24 hours. Sukhoi Su-24M and Su-34 bombers, together with Su-25SM ground support aircrafts targeted Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) sites in the provinces of Raqqah, Hama, Idlib, Latakia and Aleppo, according to the ministry. The jets hit command posts, ammunition and armament depots, military vehicles, plants producing explosives, field camps and bases. https://www.rt.com/news/318545-isis-lose-ammunition-russia/

it'ld be a good bet to take.

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Because I am a single person, not an increasing wave of culturally alien immigrants who are changing the demography of Western countries and with the demographic change comes the gradual re-primitivisation and darkening of the cultural, social, political and personal lives of the West. And how are they doing that?  By being different and challenging Europeans to live the way they claim they should live?   ::) Why the bloody hell are they leaving their Muslim lands, where they can live as fully formed Muslims, only to go to Kaffirland to hassle the Kaffir into being like the countries the Muslims have just left?? Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren. Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size?? I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views.

1 terrorist is too many.

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

Complete bollocks, of course.  The 'Christianity used to be like Islam' line is a load of utter nonsense, no wonder you peddle it, Brain.

We've been down this road before, Soren.  You were unable to accept that Christianity has a past that is just as violent, just as bigoted and just as hateful as anything you like to claim about Islam.  I've no desire to rub your nose in it again.


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The pertinent question is: why hasn't Islam evolved?  Christianity has changed, why doesn't Submission? (because you can't change 'Submission' to ' reasoned and considered agreement', that's why).

You do take things far too literally, Soren, you realise that?  Christianity changed because of it's venal corruption, forgotten what Martin Luther nailed to the door of the Church?  Islam has changed since the time of Mohammed, markedly so, despite what many conservative Muslims might believe.  You, like them, refuse however to accept the reality of that.  I wonder why?   ::)

In fact the evil qu'ran has never changed and still peddles its bile to every muslim that has one to this very day.

Christianity has always taught love not being a pedophile like mohammed and murdering and lying to people.

Your islamophobia shines through yet again as you are so scared to stand up against it brain.

LifeOrDeath wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

In fact the evil qu'ran has never changed and still peddles its bile to every muslim that has one to this very day. Christianity has always taught love not being a pedophile like mohammed and murdering and lying to people. Your islamophobia shines through yet again as you are so scared to stand up against it brain.

You really are quite ignorant of the history of Christianity, Matty.  Stick to attacking an easy target like Easel, he's more your level.   Christianity has been the basis of European Imperialism for the last 500 years.  It has allowed Christians to attack, steal, destroy whole civilisations in the Americas and Africa and Australasia and all while declaring it was doing it behind a façade of "love", which you seem to have swallowed, quite literally.   I wonder if you ever finished High School?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:43am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 12:26am: In fact the evil qu'ran has never changed and still peddles its bile to every muslim that has one to this very day. Christianity has always taught love not being a pedophile like mohammed and murdering and lying to people. Your islamophobia shines through yet again as you are so scared to stand up against it brain. You really are quite ignorant of the history of Christianity, Matty.  Stick to attacking an easy target like Easel, he's more your level.   Christianity has been the basis of European Imperialism for the last 500 years.  It has allowed Christians to attack, steal, destroy whole civilisations in the Americas and Africa and Australasia and all while declaring it was doing it behind a façade of "love", which you seem to have swallowed, quite literally.   I wonder if you ever finished High School?    ::)

Actually I thought easel had more intelligence than you, pun intended.

You cannot show one scripture to back your Christianity claim up. You know why. Because you don't even know what a Christian is let alone the doctrine. That's the total some of your ignorance of the subject matter as usual. You know even less about Islam and actual history. Your Islamophobia is blinding you into saying anything so you don't upset muslims.

Before I go please look up what the old and new cannons of scripture are and do quote them fondly IN CONTEXT regarding what Christianity actually is. I doubt you know what that means but anyway I shall drop by tomorrow to put your old testament quotes back in context.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:21am:

Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 at 10:12pm: Complete bollocks, of course.  The 'Christianity used to be like Islam' line is a load of utter nonsense, no wonder you peddle it, Brain. We've been down this road before, Soren.  You were unable to accept that Christianity has a past that is just as violent, just as bigoted and just as hateful as anything you like to claim about Islam.  I've no desire to rub your nose in it again.

Bollocks, Brain.

Doctrinally they are completely different and therefore in conception and trajectory and history they are completely different.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:43am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 12:26am: In fact the evil qu'ran has never changed and still peddles its bile to every muslim that has one to this very day. Christianity has always taught love not being a pedophile like mohammed and murdering and lying to people. Your islamophobia shines through yet again as you are so scared to stand up against it brain. You really are quite ignorant of the history of Christianity, Matty.  Stick to attacking an easy target like Easel, he's more your level.   Christianity has been the basis of European Imperialism for the last 500 years.  It has allowed Christians to attack, steal, destroy whole civilisations in the Americas and Africa and Australasia and all while declaring it was doing it behind a façade of "love", which you seem to have swallowed, quite literally.   I wonder if you ever finished High School?    ::)

Actually he is quite correct. Its seems you don't know too much about the subject going from what you have subsequently posted.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 12:17am:

Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren. Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size?? I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views. I know you have no idea, Soren.  Your Islamophobia prevents you from accepting anything less than 100% in any survey...    ::)

Sooooo.... what exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? 25%?  20%? How do you know its size??

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 12:17am: Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren. Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size?? I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views. I know you have no idea, Soren.  Your Islamophobia prevents you from accepting anything less than 100% in any survey...    ::) Sooooo.... what exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? 25%?  20%? How do you know its size??

Your irrationality prevents you from seeing the truth when it is before you, Soren.    ::)

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 12:17am: Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren. Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size?? I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views. I know you have no idea, Soren.  Your Islamophobia prevents you from accepting anything less than 100% in any survey...    ::) Sooooo.... what exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? 25%?  20%? How do you know its size??

He won't be able to answer you he is just an apologist.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 3:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2015 at 12:17am: Soren wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 at 10:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 at 6:42pm: Only a tiny minority think like that, Soren. Prove it.  What exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? How do you know its size?? I think you are making it up.   You have no idea what proportion of the Muslims hold what views. I know you have no idea, Soren.  Your Islamophobia prevents you from accepting anything less than 100% in any survey...    ::) Sooooo.... what exactly is the size of this 'tiny minority' you keep referring to? 25%?  20%? How do you know its size?? Your irrationality prevents you from seeing the truth when it is before you, Soren.    ::)

What 'truth' is that, Brain??

The 'tiny minority' truth? The 'tiny' 75% minority truth?