Wowee! Mildura expecting 39 C. Denialists will be smoking.


Quote:

Parts of the Sydney Basin are likely to get their longest spell of early-season heat on record, giving residents and visitors yet more reason to hit the beaches. Penrith, Bankstown and Richmond could all bask in four consecutive days above 33 degrees in a heatwave that began on Saturday, James Casey, a meteorologist with Weatherzone, said. Penrith is forecast to reach 37 degrees on both Monday and Tuesday, with Richmond likely to peak at similar levels. Sydney's Observatory Hill won't be quite that hot but a trio of days 33 degrees or warmer from Sunday to Tuesday, if reached, would be the city's warmest October run since 2004, Mr Casey said. So far on Monday, the city's mercury has reached 37 degrees, compared with the long-run average for October of 22 degrees - and very close to the 37.4 degree record for this early in the spring set back in 1942. Olympic Park has reached 37.5 degrees, with both Penrith and Richmond also reaching 37. North-westerly winds are streaming in from the hot, dry inland regions of the country. These pushed humidity levels to just 15 per cent on Sunday, down from 50-60 per cent a day earlier, he said. Climatologists are gathering the numbers on the burst of heat, with places such as Mildura in north-western Victoria setting a 37.5 degree early-season record on Sunday. That record may last all of one day with another scorcher of 39 degrees forecast for the town on Monday. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-melting-records-point-to-lingering-warmth-20151004-gk15fg.html#ixzz3nlivsyye

-> given the burn-offs in Perth we could be about to see a hot summer  :o :o

In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier.

Yeh you would socko :D LOL

http://www.historyofthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sock-puppet.jpg

.....just a weather event....not climate change....like snow in WA

Hot day today with the a/c on - laaarvly - now it's cold...

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier.

When ah were a lad we often walked to school in temps of 109 F.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier.

You have gone off half-cocked again.

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 6:44pm: In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier. You have gone off half-cocked again.

It's the cheap wine...... and the cheap whining....

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier.

You're kidding, right?

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 6:44pm: In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier. You have gone off half-cocked again.

Oh! that's why it's half man half woman.

mothra wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 6:44pm: In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier. You're kidding, right?

I'm not sure, she sounds serious, but..........

heat waves are a given

so is climate change, there's only a handful of people that deny climate change today.

The report says heat records are now happening three times more often than cold records, and that the number of hot days across Australia has "more than doubled".

It says the duration and frequency of heatwaves increased between 1971 and 2008, and the hottest days have become hotter.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-16/australian-heatwaves-getting-hotter-and-longer/5202272

my personal philosophy on this is to use it as an up coming event to try and get better.

we may well see rising temperatures

this will sort out the boys from the men.

i try to get out in the heat and do some really heavy work every day that the temps is above 30.

our body can easily acclimatise to this.

so you now can function whilst others fall by the wayside.

as i have said before, if it was a stinking hot day and you were an athlete running a marathon and you see a big big hill in front, here is what you should think

"this is fantastic, i am going to bust a nut on this hill becuase it gives me the chance i need to blow away the opposition"

once you see every problem as an opportunity, you can get back on course.

so if we get massive heatwaves and droughts and food shortages....great, it will blow away our opposition.

give me some GM corn that is drought resistant, some
brahman cattle, build me a few dams and i'll earn you 3 x the export dollars when the food prices in asia skyrocket due to climate change.

i call this forward planning and not trying to fight the seasons,  after every winter comes a spring, every problem brings an opportunity

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

.....just a weather event....not climate change....like snow in WA

I agree. Its more about the frequency of such events overall. Not just because its 39 in Mildura today.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 7:48am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:15pm: .....just a weather event....not climate change....like snow in WA I agree. Its more about the frequency of such events overall. Not just because its 39 in Mildura today.

Yep. Finally....2 voices of reason.

mothra wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 6:44pm: In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier. You're kidding, right?

Irony, mothra, tinged with a little mocking.

No one is actually claiming that it isn't a little warmer only that it is only a LITTLE warmer and nothing even remotely unprecedented. Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:51am:

Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then.

Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o

Stratos wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:51am: Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then. Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o

Invention; fantasy; manufacturing false evidence? Maria Costel is renowned for all of these sins.

Stratos wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:51am: Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then. Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o

I see...  Are you going to be one of those increasingly desperate people who claim the MVP wasn't global but only occurred in a few regions? Conveniently those few regions are the ones with indisputable evidence while the places where it supposedly didn't happen was where there was no record? Because after all, the current global warming is only local to IPCC HQ and UK right?

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

.....just a weather event....not climate change....like snow in WA

so winters aren't generally colder because the climate is always changing right ? :D LOL

mariacostel wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 6:44pm:

In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier.

In the 30s the heat-wave was triple murder suicides  :'( :'(

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 10:15pm:

.....just a weather event....not climate change....like snow in WA

lol

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 6:44am:

mothra wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 2:28am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 6:44pm: In all of my 55 years I never recall there ever being a heat wave in Australia.  It is a brand-new phenomenon. Of course if I were alive in the 1930s I would recall worse than this frequently and earlier. You're kidding, right? I'm not sure, she sounds serious, but.......... heat waves are a given so is climate change, there's only a handful of people that deny climate change today. The report says heat records are now happening three times more often than cold records, and that the number of hot days across Australia has "more than doubled". It says the duration and frequency of heatwaves increased between 1971 and 2008, and the hottest days have become hotter. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-16/australian-heatwaves-getting-hotter-and-longer/5202272

according to Jo Novas disastrous appearance on the drum yesterday climate change doesn't exist because there is no such thing as free-markets!

aquascoot wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 6:54am:

my personal philosophy on this is to use it as an up coming event to try and get better. we may well see rising temperatures this will sort out the boys from the men. i try to get out in the heat and do some really heavy work every day that the temps is above 30. our body can easily acclimatise to this. so you now can function whilst others fall by the wayside. as i have said before, if it was a stinking hot day and you were an athlete running a marathon and you see a big big hill in front, here is what you should think "this is fantastic, i am going to bust a nut on this hill becuase it gives me the chance i need to blow away the opposition" once you see every problem as an opportunity, you can get back on course. so if we get massive heatwaves and droughts and food shortages....great, it will blow away our opposition. give me some GM corn that is drought resistant, some brahman cattle, build me a few dams and i'll earn you 3 x the export dollars when the food prices in asia skyrocket due to climate change. i call this forward planning and not trying to fight the seasons,  after every winter comes a spring, every problem brings an opportunity

:-? :-?  :o well fu** me like dog with two you know-whats-its   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 8:51am:

No one is actually claiming that it isn't a little warmer only that it is only a LITTLE warmer and nothing even remotely unprecedented. Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then.

source for that: thanx  ;) ;)

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

Stratos wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:51am: Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then. Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o Invention; fantasy; manufacturing false evidence? Maria Costel is renowned for all of these sins.

crack is really good when you don't care about daddy decreasing your inheritance  ::) ::)

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Stratos wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:51am: Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then. Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o I see...  Are you going to be one of those increasingly desperate people who claim the MVP wasn't global but only occurred in a few regions? Conveniently those few regions are the ones with indisputable evidence while the places where it supposedly didn't happen was where there was no record? Because after all, the current global warming is only local to IPCC HQ and UK right?

don't like giving sources much do ya  :D :D :D :D

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Stratos wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:51am: Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then. Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o I see...  Are you going to be one of those increasingly desperate people who claim the MVP wasn't global but only occurred in a few regions? Conveniently those few regions are the ones with indisputable evidence while the places where it supposedly didn't happen was where there was no record? Because after all, the current global warming is only local to IPCC HQ and UK right?

I was under the impression there has been very little past climate research in Australia, and I'm wondering what basis you have for saying that Australia was warmer in the Medieval Warm period than it is today.

What have you read that would provide such a claim as that?  I'm genuinely curious as to whether this research has been done in Australia and what it concluded.

Stratos wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 10:33am: Stratos wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:01am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:51am: Remember the Medieval Warm Period of 1000 years ago when Greenland was actually green and people sailed wooden boats right around it. We are still three degrees COOLER than back then. Where on Earth did you find data on Australia's climate for that time period? :o I see...  Are you going to be one of those increasingly desperate people who claim the MVP wasn't global but only occurred in a few regions? Conveniently those few regions are the ones with indisputable evidence while the places where it supposedly didn't happen was where there was no record? Because after all, the current global warming is only local to IPCC HQ and UK right? I was under the impression there has been very little past climate research in Australia, and I'm wondering what basis you have for saying that Australia was warmer in the Medieval Warm period than it is today. What have you read that would provide such a claim as that?  I'm genuinely curious as to whether this research has been done in Australia and what it concluded.

The existence of the MWP is not up for dispute. The northern hemisphere has enormous historical proof as well as some forensic evidence. I recall that the Hockey Stick guys who were desperate to claim that the MWP was regional and not global were attacked by Japanese scientists who cited their own evidence that proved it occurred in Japan and much of Asia. They were also critical of how anyone could be so ignorant of such a fact. There was also a report (that I cannot find now) that recorded the MWP in Tasmania.  So the evidence is pretty strong to suggest the MWP was global. And that is before you ask how a temperature increase of 3 degrees for over 400 years could ever NOT be global. That would defy logic as well as evidence.

There is probably some MWP evidence for Australia but I haven't searched for it as the idea that it didn't happen here is absurd.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

There was also a report (that I cannot find now) that recorded the MWP in Tasmania

If you find it post it please.  Thanks!

Stratos wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 2:05pm: There was also a report (that I cannot find now) that recorded the MWP in Tasmania If you find it post it please.  Thanks!

I have no idea where I read it a number of years ago, but what difference does it make? Anyone that thinks a Tasmanian evidence of the MVP makes any difference is only then going to demand it in Victoria and then the next place.

The MWP is accepted as being a proven global warming period by everyone except a handful who are so dependent on the ACC scam that they are happily to deny all evidence so as to support their own delusions (such as hockey stick believers).

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

I have no idea where I read it a number of years ago, but what difference does it make?

Because the majority of climate studies focus on either Europe or the Americas and I'm interested to see what the science has to say regarding Australia's past climate?

Stratos wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 5:14pm: I have no idea where I read it a number of years ago, but what difference does it make? Because the majority of climate studies focus on either Europe or the Americas and I'm interested to see what the science has to say regarding Australia's past climate?

Then do some research and see what you find.

Tasmania

'As with the �Little Ice Age�, the posited �Medieval Warm Period� appears to have been less distinct, more moderate in amplitude, and somewhat different in timing at the hemispheric scale than is typically inferred for the conventionally-defined European epoch. '

https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/070.htm

New Zealand

'Key evidence from regions in Eurasia, North and South America, and New Zealand (see Figure 2) will be presented in the form of tabulated graphs, showing both conventional radiocarbon ages, as originally published, with their laboratory errors, and their calendar equivalents at 68% probability (Stuiver and Pearson, 1986).'

http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPhilo/Glacial.pdf

'A 1979 study from the University of Waikato found that "Temperatures derived from an 18O/16O profile through a stalagmite found in a New Zealand cave (40.67°S, 172.43°E) suggested the Medieval Warm Period to have occurred between AD 1050 and 1400 and to have been 0.75 °C warmer than the Current Warm Period."[38] The MWP has also been evidenced in New Zealand by an 1100-year tree-ring record.[39]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

Anatrctica
'We show that water masses linked to North Pacific and Antarctic intermediate waters were warmer by 2.1 ± 0.4°C and 1.5 ± 0.4°C, respectively, during the middle Holocene Thermal Maximum than over the past century. Both water masses were ~0.9°C warmer during the Medieval Warm period than during the Little Ice Age and ~0.65° warmer than in recent decades. Although documented changes in global surface temperatures during the Holocene and Common era are relatively small, the concomitant changes in OHC are large. '

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6158/617

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

Wowee! Mildura expecting 39 C. Denialists will be smoking. Quote: Parts of the Sydney Basin are likely to get their longest spell of early-season heat on record, giving residents and visitors yet more reason to hit the beaches. Penrith, Bankstown and Richmond could all bask in four consecutive days above 33 degrees in a heatwave that began on Saturday, James Casey, a meteorologist with Weatherzone, said. Penrith is forecast to reach 37 degrees on both Monday and Tuesday, with Richmond likely to peak at similar levels. Sydney's Observatory Hill won't be quite that hot but a trio of days 33 degrees or warmer from Sunday to Tuesday, if reached, would be the city's warmest October run since 2004, Mr Casey said. So far on Monday, the city's mercury has reached 37 degrees, compared with the long-run average for October of 22 degrees - and very close to the 37.4 degree record for this early in the spring set back in 1942. Olympic Park has reached 37.5 degrees, with both Penrith and Richmond also reaching 37. North-westerly winds are streaming in from the hot, dry inland regions of the country. These pushed humidity levels to just 15 per cent on Sunday, down from 50-60 per cent a day earlier, he said. Climatologists are gathering the numbers on the burst of heat, with places such as Mildura in north-western Victoria setting a 37.5 degree early-season record on Sunday. That record may last all of one day with another scorcher of 39 degrees forecast for the town on Monday. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-melting-records-point-to-lingering-warmth-20151004-gk15fg.html#ixzz3nlivsyye

Only got to 38 ... did the sky fall in? 

Safe to say the wankfest has started as soon as we get a warm day.

Mildura expects a high of 31 tomorrow...does this mean catastrophic cooling is occurring? It's 7 degrees of cooling.....fmd  ;D

I was in Sydney yesterday, from Perth. According to weatherzone it was more humid than Townsville. I can't testify to that, but it was bloody humid.

Denialists can't take the heat!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Exactly most are young leftards from UNI who weren't around in the 70's and 80's and think they are hot these days and it must be global warming ;D what nongs they are.

They wouldn't know a heatwave if it fried their face, they would think the military had a secret ray gun and were under attack.

ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:47am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat!  ;D ;D ;D ;D Exactly most are young leftards from UNI who weren't around in the 70's and 80's and think they are hot these days and it must be global warming ;D what nongs they are. They wouldn't know a heatwave if it fried their face, they would think the military had a secret ray gun and were under attack.

I see this very ordinary guy is determined to make a make an embarrassing display of his stupidity again. 

You need to gear up mate. In 1 or 2 years the world will be looking for someone to punish for all the delay in acting against global warming and I don't think they'll forgive you just because your stupid.   

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

Denialists can't take the heat!

Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity.

http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

aquascoot wrote on Oct 7^th, 2015 at 6:54am:

my personal philosophy on this is to use it as an up coming event to try and get better. we may well see rising temperatures this will sort out the boys from the men. i try to get out in the heat and do some really heavy work every day that the temps is above 30. our body can easily acclimatise to this. so you now can function whilst others fall by the wayside. as i have said before, if it was a stinking hot day and you were an athlete running a marathon and you see a big big hill in front, here is what you should think "this is fantastic, i am going to bust a nut on this hill becuase it gives me the chance i need to blow away the opposition" once you see every problem as an opportunity, you can get back on course. so if we get massive heatwaves and droughts and food shortages....great, it will blow away our opposition. give me some GM corn that is drought resistant, some brahman cattle, build me a few dams and i'll earn you 3 x the export dollars when the food prices in asia skyrocket due to climate change. i call this forward planning and not trying to fight the seasons,  after every winter comes a spring, every problem brings an opportunity

Scoot trots out his usual rubbish.

Main point, Scoot you fantasist: Australia is the continent most at risk from climate change, it will be Asia sending food to us. Those dams you want others to build for you, how are you going to fill them? Southern Australia is drying out.

More realistic might be to do a second Snowy Mountain Scheme but based on the Burdekin River. Divert it west and south, hydro energy (zero emissions) plus water into the Darling and from there into both the Murray and the Great Artesian Basin. Failing that we will have to plan to move all the population into the north.


Ummm, Scoot, you DO wear a hat when you venture into the sun?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 9:46am: Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity. http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg

Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJBjoxiamCI

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:34am: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 9:46am: Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity. http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Fortunately AGW researchers are not being compelled to delve into the humidity saturated crotches of denialists lee and Maria Costel. Expose yourselves to air and light and your problems may evaporate from the heat; or

Grow mushrooms in your underwear.

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:34am: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 9:46am: Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity. http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity?

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book. 

Wilting under the heat am I? No..... my gas fire as definitely on low as the 38 degree days gave way to successive 15 tops in the Mountains. :D

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 1:45pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:34am: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 9:46am: Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity. http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity? Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

You mean like ALL of the AGW research, paid for (in the BILLIONS of dollars) by Governments???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:20pm: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 1:45pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:34am: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 9:46am: Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity. http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity? Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.  You mean like ALL of the AGW research, paid for (in the BILLIONS of dollars) by Governments???

Taxpayers.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.

Perhaps you should do some research on Shukla and the RICO 20.

Prof Shukla is a tenured professor at George Mason University. He got a petition, signed by 20, to attempt to have climate deniers charged under the US RICO Act, which is aimed at organised crime.

Apparently he also set up an organisation and got funding in excess of $4m. For this the funding the organisation got one paper and Professor Shukla funded himself and family, apparently against University rules. I saw a figure of $800k for family salaries, in one year.

He has apparently now pulled the letter from his website, but perhaps too late.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:20pm: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 1:45pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:34am: lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 9:46am: Unforgiven wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 12:48am: Denialists can't take the heat! Once again you display ignorance; you can't tell the difference between heat and humidity. http://tweakyourbiz.com/management/files/Bloomberg-Cover1.jpg Wow, Climate science by press release? AGW causes humidity? Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.  You mean like ALL of the AGW research, paid for (in the BILLIONS of dollars) by Governments???

No I mean the fossil fuel industry who pay millions of dollars to bodgie scientists, fakes and socks to disseminate misinformation about climate change so that they (the fossil fuel industry) can continue to cause global warming and protect their trillion dollar industry. You know, the people whose misinformation you choose to believe even though anyone with the slightest bit of common sense and who genuinely cared about the truth of the matter instead of their ideological beliefs would dismiss out of hand

Which leads me to ask you, what research have you done on the amount of money the fossil fuel industry has spent on discrediting the AGW science (instead of researching the science) and what conclusions have you come to in determining that their claims can be reliably parroted by you? In particular could you explain how you have overcome any concerns about the role played by the Heartland Institute in the denialist movement even though they were the same people who for years told us that smoking did not cause lung cancer. 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

any concerns about the role played by the Heartland Institute in the denialist movement

You mean like Peter Gleick, who posed as a member of Heartland and stole documents? The one when he couldn't find any "smoking gun", manufactured documents? The one who was severely castigated for his role in this, that he was made president of Pacific Institute.

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:31pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:20pm: Oh yes, of course, you prefer climate science by cheque book.  Perhaps you should do some research on Shukla and the RICO 20. Prof Shukla is a tenured professor at George Mason University. He got a petition, signed by 20, to attempt to have climate deniers charged under the US RICO Act, which is aimed at organised crime. Apparently he also set up an organisation and got funding in excess of $4m. For this the funding the organisation got one paper and Professor Shukla funded himself and family, apparently against University rules. I saw a figure of $800k for family salaries, in one year. He has apparently now pulled the letter from his website, but perhaps too late.

So what exactly are you saying this guy has done wrong??? He called on the President to to have climate change deniers charged under the RICO Act. Good move. There's certainly precedent for it.  You see it works like this., when you KNOWINGLY lie to people whereby they cause themselves harm as a consequence, you should be punished. In fact the tobacco giant Phillp Morris was rightly coped under RICO for their despicable lying for all those years about no health risks from smoking. Here's what happened:- 

On August 17, 2006 Judge Kessler issued a 1,683 page opinion holding the tobacco companies liable for violating RICO by fraudulently covering up the health risks associated with smoking and for marketing their products to children.  “As set forth in these Final Proposed Findings of Fact, substantial evidence establishes that Defendants have engaged in and executed – and continue to engage in and execute – a massive 50-year scheme to defraud the public, including consumers of cigarettes, in violation of RICO.”

The tobacco companies filed an appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals. The court granted the motion, and on May 22, 2009 the three-judge panel unanimously upheld Judge Kessler’s decision finding the tobacco companies liable. The court upheld most of the ordered remedies, but denied additional remedies sought by public health interveners and the Department of Justice.  The court also found that the First Amendment does not protect fraudulent statements, stating that “Defendants knew of their falsity at the time and made the statements with the intent to deceive. Thus, we are not dealing with accidental falsehoods, or sincere attempts to persuade.” The court dismissed the defendants’ argument that their statements were protected by the First Amendment.

As to the other part of your post, you engage in the usual denialist tactic of dirtying the scientists based on what?  Well your allegations are based on apparently this and apparently that. I have highlighted all the apparently's for you. But again you don't care that any of what you said is wrong conduct or true just as long as by alleging your BS mud sticks to the guy.  Your scum!!!!

Phew - that's a relief - back in the trackies and car heater after a few days of heat....

It's only 13 degrees in Melbourne right now.
I am wearing 2 jumpers & a beanie.

It will get even colder overnight.

It will be only 6 degrees in Hobart tonight:

http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml?ref=hdr

lee wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 8:38pm: any concerns about the role played by the Heartland Institute in the denialist movement You mean like Peter Gleick, who posed as a member of Heartland and stole documents? The one when he couldn't find any "smoking gun", manufactured documents? The one who was severely castigated for his role in this, that he was made president of Pacific Institute.

This is what actually happened as reported by wikipedia, instead of your denialist websites;

" On February 20, 2012, Gleick announced he was responsible for the unauthorized distribution of documents from The Heartland Institute in mid-February. Gleick claimed he had received "an anonymous document in the mail describing what appeared to be details of the Heartland Institute's climate program strategy", and in trying to verify the authenticity of the document, had "solicited and received additional materials directly from the Heartland Institute under someone else's name". Responding to the leak, The Heartland Institute said one of the documents released, a two-page 'Strategy Memo', had been forged. Gleick denied forging the document. Gleick described his actions as "a serious lapse of my own and professional judgment and ethics" and said that he "deeply regret[ted his] own actions in this case" and "offer[ed his] personal apologies to all those affected".

So lets see now. Your saying that that incident justifies you not researching the huge expenditure of money by the fossil fuel industry and the so called "Institutes" they hire to discredit the AGW science (rather then research the science) and ignore the conflict of interest when you digest and disseminate the claims they make. 

Now I have asked you this repeatedly and you have refused to answer repeatedly but why dont you tell us, what research you have done to ensure that the denialist claims you reproduce here are not sourced from sites tainted by the fossil fuel industry/Koch brothers money and what if any are your reasons for not being concerned about that. I note in particular you expressed concern about the poor old Heartland institute.  Are you aware of their previous record in trying to convince the world that smoking is not bad for your health and if so can you explain why their heavy involvement in the denialist movement does not concern you and why you would reproduce any of their materials or claims on this forum.   

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

It's only 13 degrees in Melbourne right now. I am wearing 2 jumpers & a beanie. It will get even colder overnight. It will be only 6 degrees in Hobart tonight: http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml?ref=hdr

Yes Bobby, I was burning up 2 days ago to the point that I could not sleep and the following day it was cold. So what?

Well, let's see what happens, if we get an El Nino event similar, if not worse than, the last big one, back in 1998?

Bearing in mind, some of what has happened since 1998 is right up there in the "record books", then if the current El Nino is similar or worse, we may well be in for some "more records", some of which may not be all that desirable?

I, for one, suspect that may be likely!

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

This is what actually happened as reported by wikipedia, instead of your denialist websites;

Gee, he was cleared by his own team. Not a formal investigation. I mean you can't get better than that can you?

'The Pacific Institute indicated in the statement that it had found no evidence for Heartland's charges that Gleick had forged one of several documents he released last February.

But the Institute offered no further information on the findings of the investigation, or any evidence to support the claim of having conducted a fully independent investigation. It gave no further explanation for its decision to reject Heartland's charges that Gleick had faked a document.'

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jun/07/peter-gleick-reinstated-heartland-expose

'Gleick also admitted to lying about the nature of one document he originally claimed had come from Heartland, a ‘strategy memo’ that purported to describe Heartland’s plans to address climate change in the coming year. That document was quickly shown to be a fake, written to misrepresent and defame The Heartland Institute. Gleick denied he was the author of the fake memo.'

https://www.heartland.org/press-releases/2013/02/14/why-isnt-pacific-institutes-peter-gleick-jail

What a prince, he claims he wasn't the author, but he had already admitted there was no insider, that it was actually he, who took documents.

Forensic study into the fake memo -

'The lead analysis was conducted by Patrick Juola, Ph.D., Director of Research, and director of the Evaluating Variations in Language Laboratory at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh. Juola & Associates, headed by President Patrick Brennan is a separate commercial entity that provides analysis and consultation on stylometry.

Dr. Juola has published his analysis of the “Climate Strategy Memo,” which I present first and in entirety here at WUWT.

First, the short read:

Stylometric Report – Heartland Institute Memo
Patrick Juola, Ph.D.
Summary
As an expert in computational and forensic linguistics, I have reviewed the alleged Heartland memo to determine who the primary author of the report is, and more specifically whether the primary author was Peter Gleick or Joseph Bast. I conclude, based on a computational analysis, that the author is more likely to be Gleick than Bast.'

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/14/professional-forensic-stylometric-analysis-of-the-fake-heartland-climate-strategy-memo-concludes-peter-gleick-is-the-likely-forger/

Bobby. wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

It's only 13 degrees in Melbourne right now. I am wearing 2 jumpers & a beanie. It will get even colder overnight. It will be only 6 degrees in Hobart tonight: http://www.bom.gov.au/tas/forecasts/hobart.shtml?ref=hdr

Which is why I love Hobart so much.

It's bloody 30 degrees here in Perth at the moment.

>:(

lee wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 10:45pm: This is what actually happened as reported by wikipedia, instead of your denialist websites; Gee, he was cleared by his own team. Not a formal investigation. I mean you can't get better than that can you? 'The Pacific Institute indicated in the statement that it had found no evidence for Heartland's charges that Gleick had forged one of several documents he released last February. But the Institute offered no further information on the findings of the investigation, or any evidence to support the claim of having conducted a fully independent investigation. It gave no further explanation for its decision to reject Heartland's charges that Gleick had faked a document.' http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jun/07/peter-gleick-reinstated-heartland-expose 'Gleick also admitted to lying about the nature of one document he originally claimed had come from Heartland, a ‘strategy memo’ that purported to describe Heartland’s plans to address climate change in the coming year. That document was quickly shown to be a fake, written to misrepresent and defame The Heartland Institute. Gleick denied he was the author of the fake memo.' https://www.heartland.org/press-releases/2013/02/14/why-isnt-pacific-institutes-peter-gleick-jail What a prince, he claims he wasn't the author, but he had already admitted there was no insider, that it was actually he, who took documents. Forensic study into the fake memo - 'The lead analysis was conducted by Patrick Juola, Ph.D., Director of Research, and director of the Evaluating Variations in Language Laboratory at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh. Juola & Associates, headed by President Patrick Brennan is a separate commercial entity that provides analysis and consultation on stylometry. Dr. Juola has published his analysis of the “Climate Strategy Memo,” which I present first and in entirety here at WUWT. First, the short read: Stylometric Report – Heartland Institute Memo Patrick Juola, Ph.D. Summary As an expert in computational and forensic linguistics, I have reviewed the alleged Heartland memo to determine who the primary author of the report is, and more speci fically whether the primary author was Peter Gleick or Joseph Bast. I conclude, based on a computational analysis, that the author is more likely to be Gleick than Bast.' http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/14/professional-forensic-stylometric-analysis-of-the-fake-heartland-climate-strategy-memo-concludes-peter-gleick-is-the-likely-forger/

So you ignore Heartlands history of lying to people over decades about the hazards of smoking, you ignore that Heartland has been retained by the fossil fuel industry and the Koch brothers to discredit the AGW science and instead you entirely accept heartlands version of this insignificant event even though they did not persue the matter through the courts, which they could have done if they were not scared of people finding out that the strategy document was in fact created by them. And you ignore the fact that unlike Heartland and the fossil fuel industry Gleick had nothing to gain financially. And of course you continue to refuse to tell us what research you have done to ensure that the sites you rely on to deny AGW are not tainted by fossil fuel/Koch Bros money. Why? Because I think your a liar and couldnt care less about the truth of the matter.   

Here's what the Guardian said about the documents that the heartland institute said was forged but that they (the HI) sent to Gleick and he had not seen until they sent it:-

"The documents released by Gleick exposed Heartland's donors' list – which it had kept private – as well as a plan to spread misinformation about climate change in schools. The ultra-conservative organisation immediately moved to capitalise on the media exposure, setting up a website which it called "Fakegate" and using Gleick's image to sell $22.49 coffee mugs.

But when Heartland promoted the climate conference by taking out a billboard comparing believers in climate change to psychopaths like the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, a run in donors, which had been relatively modest immediately after Gleick's exposé, spiked dramatically. Two board members resigned, almost all of those based in its Washington DC office quit, and a number of Heartland allies publicly chided the organisation and dropped out of last month's conference."

Shukla

'Jagadish Shukla
Titles:      President, Institute of Global Environment and Society'

http://www.iges.org/people/shukla.html

'Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax'

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/521/521761388/521761388_201412_990.pdf

It is clear the total compensation included his university pay.

George Mason, like  most universities, has a policy on conflict of interest,  including a detailed policy on conflict of interest in federally funded research.   Under such policies, “non-profits” are classified as “business”, a protocol that seems very apt when large salaries are withdrawn by insiders from a closely-held “non-profit”:

'   “Business” means a corporation, partnership, sole proprietorship, firm, enterprise, franchise, association, trust or foundation, or any other individual or entity carrying on a business or profession, whether or not for profit.'

http://universitypolicy.gmu.edu/policies/financial-conflicts-of-interest-in-federally-funded-research/?_ga=1.11858225.443152639.1444382143

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

So you ignore Heartlands history of lying to people

So you ignore Peter Gleick's lying about an insider providing the information, when he got it himself. So you believe a proven liar, about not having written the FAKE paper?

lee wrote on Oct 9^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 9th, 2015 at 6:45pm: So you ignore Heartlands history of lying to people So you ignore Peter Gleick's lying about an insider providing the information, when he got it himself. So you believe a proven liar, about not having written the FAKE paper?

You are just applying the denialist tactics of distraction and obfuscation. All of lee's information is irrelevant and of dubious provenance.

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 12:32am:

lee wrote on Oct 9th, 2015 at 7:21pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 9th, 2015 at 6:45pm: So you ignore Heartlands history of lying to people So you ignore Peter Gleick's lying about an insider providing the information, when he got it himself. So you believe a proven liar, about not having written the FAKE paper? You are just applying the denialist tactics of distraction and obfuscation. All of lee's information is irrelevant and of dubious provenance.

Yes, in my opinion Lee is clearly a sock. I don't think anyone with a genuine bone in his body would tout what the Heartland Institute has to say about AGW given their past history with big tobacco and the number of people who died relying on the assurances of big tobacco that smoking does no harm. A lot of people are calling for denialists to be punished and as global warming gets worse the calls will get louder. I agree and I'm pleased to say that the internet does not forget. 

October 2015 has set records. Don't worry the records won't stand they will be broken frequently over the next decades as AGW strengthens.


Quote:

Southern Australia smashed heat records this month even without the usual warming in the Red Centre, and more hot weather is on the way, the Bureau of Meteorology says. All of the bureau's main weather stations in NSW south of the Sydney-Dubbo line set early-season heat records this month, as did all but one of Victoria's main sites, the bureau said in a special climate statement. Heatwaves baking south-eastern Australia typically draw their extreme warmth from inland Australia, but not this event. Early-season records fell at many sites during this week's heatwave over southern Australia. "The trajectory of the hot air was a bit unusual," Blair Trewin, senior climatologist with the bureau, said. Advertisement "The pool of the hot air initially formed in the Pilbara and shifted south to southern WA before moving from west to east." Most of southern Australia endured maximum temperatures of at least 12 degrees above average on at least one day, the bureau said. Of the bureau's 112 ACORN-SAT locations, 34 posted early-season records. The heatwave followed an exceptionally dry September - the equal third driest on record nationally - elevating fire risks and further drying out soils. The hot spell intensified as a big high-pressure system sat over Brisbane, steering warm winds over south-eastern regions of the country, only to be replaced with another large one. Both Sydney and Williamtown broke October pressure records on Thursday, Dr Trewin said. More heat on its way Yet another high-pressure system is on its way, though, with the possibility of producing more summer-like weather. "The second half of next week looks potentially interesting," he said, noting that Adelaide is expecting a top of 34 degrees next Thursday and Melbourne 30 degrees. Sydney is forecast to have a week of mild, mostly dry weather, with tops of 25-26 over the coming weekend, and the mercury starting to climb again towards the following weekend. "We are seeing that another warm spell will be on its way," Anthony Duke, a meteorologist with Weatherzone, said. "From [next] Friday to Sunday, certainly [Sydney's] western suburbs have a chance of seeing three days in the mid-30s," he said, with a couple of days in the low 30s for the central business district. "It doesn't look as prolonged or as hot as the recent event." The bureau's updated forecast has a top of 29 degrees predicted for next Friday for Sydney and 36 degrees for Penrith. Melbourne's top this weekend should reach 27-28 degrees, more than 7 degrees above average for the month, be cooling off for a couple of days at the start of the working week. El Nino role ​The "strong and well-established" El Nino in the Pacific played a key role in the record hot start to October in southern Australia. Also a factor was a recent switch in Indian Ocean conditions that prompted the bureau to revise its seasonal forecasts to point to a hotter and drier October-December period than previously expected. In El Nino years, wind patterns stall or reverse in the equatorial Pacific, typically resulting in below-average rainfall over eastern Australia and South-east Asia - as we are now seeing in Papua New Guinea and Indonesia. Of 16 early-season heat events in Melbourne, 12 have occurred in El Nino years, as have seven of the 10 recorded in Hobart, the bureau said. Melbourne beat its early-season heat record on Monday with 34.4 degrees and then broke it again the following day with 35.8 degrees. Sydney's 37 degrees on Monday was the city's second-earliest day of 35 degrees or warmer, behind only October 4, 1942. The hottest mark during the event was 42.3 degrees at Eucla on October 3, the warmest so early in the season for southern Australia on record. In terms of statewide readings, Victoria was the standout in the heatwave, with an average maximum of 30.69 degrees for the October 2-6 period, the bureau said. That tally was the second warmest in October on record, beaten only by the 21-25 October stint that occurred almost three weeks later in month back in 1914, the bureau said. October 1914, also in an El Nino year, remains by "some margin" the hottest on record for south-eastern Australia, Dr Trewin said. The anomalies, unusual for any month of the year, that have so far been hard to beat. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/southern-australias-heatwave-smashed-records-as-warmth-starts-to-build-again-20151008-gk4xa2.html#ixzz3o7cyNJNY

Unforgiven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

The "strong and well-established" El Nino in the Pacific played a key role in the record hot start to October in southern Australia. Also a factor was a recent switch in Indian Ocean conditions that prompted the bureau to revise its seasonal forecasts to point to a hotter and drier October-December period than previously expected. In El Nino years, wind patterns stall or reverse in the equatorial Pacific, typically resulting in below-average rainfall over eastern Australia and South-east Asia - as we are now seeing in Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

Wow, natural variation

ho hum anyone got something new to contribute to this dreary post that keeps getting recycled under a new name but with the same boring padding?

red baron wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

ho hum anyone got something new to contribute to this dreary post that keeps getting recycled under a new name but with the same boring padding?

Unhinged's mental illness will just keep regurgitating it.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 10^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

red baron wrote on Oct 10th, 2015 at 5:02pm: ho hum anyone got something new to contribute to this dreary post that keeps getting recycled under a new name but with the same boring padding? Unhinged's mental illness will just keep regurgitating it.

Maria and lee hot under the collar again? Can it!