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Title: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by jenny on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:13pm
The instant response of normal people to acts of Islamic terrorism is horror and grief. The instant response of our leftist friends, however, is a desperate attempt to play down or outright conceal any Islamic component to those acts of terrorism.
A second strategy is to sympathise with the terrorist’s fellow Muslims. As Mark Steyn noted, Twitter leftists launched a love campaign before last December’s Martin Place siege had even ended. “Usually the Muslims-fear-backlash crowd at least waits till the terrorist atrocity is over. In this case the desiccated multiculti saps launched the #I’llRideWithYou campaign even as the siege was still ongoing — while Katrina Dawson and Tori Johnson were still alive,” Steyn wrote. “Muslims are not the victims here. Ms Dawson and Mr Johnson are the victims. And yet the urge to usher Muslims into the victim chair and massage their tender sensibilities is now so reflexive the narcissists on Twitter don’t even have the good taste to wait till the siege is over and the corpse count is known.” Similar tactics were employed last Friday following 15-year-old Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar’s cowardly murder of NSW police accountant Curtis Cheng, shot in the back of the head as he left work. Parramatta real estate agent Edwin Almeida spotted the killer and offered this perfectly accurate description to reporters: “I saw the man wielding a handgun, dressed in black robes.” This newsworthy line was deliberately omitted from the Guardian‘s online coverage, presumably because the murderer’s clothing may have hinted at a certain unmentionable faith. “I won’t go into reports about what the man identified by eyewitnesses as carrying a gun was wearing or what he looked like,” the Guardian‘s Calla Wahlquist decreed, which is an unusual approach to journalism. If clothing and appearance are deemed Islamic identifiers and therefore now off-limits, what might be next? Australia’s violent Islamic extremist community tends to be male, armed and from Sydney’s west. A future Guardian report could run something like the following: “A person with a non-specific grievance has taken actions causing injury to another person in an area of Australia noted for its vibrant multiculturalism.” And then it could end with this evasion, from one of the earliest ABC reports on Friday’s murder: “The ABC understands that the incident is not terror-related.” http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/dodge_dip_dive_duck_and_dodge/ |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by The Grappler on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:18pm
Fair enough, but we must take great care to only punish the wicked and not install group punishment on the innocent as well as the guilty.
As long as they post threats on Facebook they will never amount to anything... and if worst comes to worst we could always invite Mossad in for a visit... they know how to handle these things. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:26pm
This attack is the fault of the police.
It was not a terrorism incident. The killer played on the fact he was a Muslim, and attacked a police officer. Because he had a problem with the police. Not because he was in support of a hostile ideology or similar. This is the fault of the police. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Dnarever on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:28pm
Muslims aren't the victims here
I have to say that on this board they very much are. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by jenny on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:31pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:18pm:
We also have to remember that no other religion is going around the world killing people like Muslims are. The proportion of Muslims and Buddhists in Australia is roughly equivalent, yet you never hear of any Buddhist terrorist attacks. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by jenny on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:32pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:26pm:
Can you verify this? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by jenny on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:33pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:28pm:
In what way? Also I am pretty sure that none of Tori Johnson, Katrina Dawson or Curtis Cheng were Muslim. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by The_Barnacle on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:33pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:18pm:
Group punishment is the MO of the fascist state. You can see the Right wingers on here calling for it all the time. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:34pm
Yes.
He was not a terrorist. His sister fled to the middle east due to persecution by the Australian government, according to family friends who are familiar with the situation. She could have stayed and radicalised. Instead she left. This kid was pushed too far. Killed a police officer. And was not a terrorist. Because he had a problem with the police. Not because he was supporting a hostile ideology. This is the fault of the police. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:36pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by The Grappler on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:38pm
He needed a bit more practice - that special constable on the door outgunned him without trying too hard... he should get a medal....
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:39pm
I tied up a cat and sprayed it with water and rubbed chilli powder in to its eyes.
It started hissing and trying to scratch and bite me. Is the cat a dangerous animal and does it need to be put down? Or did I incite that cat via animal cruelty and illegality? This murder is the fault of the police. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:41pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:38pm:
He wasn't trying to engage the special constable. He was in the open, no cover, not even aiming. Just stood there and got shot. I wouldn't say the special constable was Jason Bourne or especially brave. He was firing from almost a totally protected position. He was actually rather safe from where he was. He did his duty appropriately and killed the kid. However, he is not worthy of some kind of awesome commendation. He did his duty. He did not dive on a grenade or place his life at extreme risk. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:41pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:42pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:41pm:
Analogy. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Bias_2012 on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:43pm
Why did Turnbull have a private teleconference with Muslim leaders ?
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:45pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:42pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:45pm Quote:
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/students-counselled-after-sydney-shooting/story-fn3dxiwe-1227558393021 These statements are not perfectly accurate or in context. Nor is the claim that these are IS supporters. They are radicalised by the government and are now called IS supporters. They have no where to turn and due to their treatment are extremely hostile. These people have been left no where to turn due to police and intelligence agency illegality in the name of national security. The aim was to create an excuse for further national security measures. By torturing people. Do you know what is going on or not? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Secret Wars on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:46pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:54pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:46pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:58pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:54pm:
You are in extremely serious trouble. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:00pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:01pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:58pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:01pm
You are in extremely serious trouble.
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:02pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:04pm
You are about to start a fight with the CIA that will last the rest of your life.
That you can't possibly win. This is a public internet forum. You have been warned. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:05pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:04pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by philperth2010 on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:06pm
Why are all Muslims tarred with the same brush....Are all Christians paedophiles....Take a look at yourself before judging others???
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:08pm philperth2010 wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:06pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:09pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:05pm:
And this is what you wanted. Your life is ruined. Have a nice day. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:10pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:09pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:11pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:08pm:
Having a problem with entrenched corruption, illegality and human rights violations is not a problem with the police as a whole. Your life is ruined. Have a nice day. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:13pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:11pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Soren on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:14pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
Curtis Cheng, the police accountant did that???? You are an complete idiot, a gobsmackingly stupid weasel. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:21pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
That's not going to fix the problem you are currently facing, which is: You want to fight the CIA. And your life is ruined. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:22pm Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
analogy. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:23pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by philperth2010 on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:24pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:08pm:
Why would I feel the need to defend police...What have they done wrong??? Perhaps you should stop trying to find blame in everyone else accept the individual who committed the crime??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:24pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:23pm:
If you are trying to make your situation worse, you are succeeding. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:27pm philperth2010 wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:24pm:
And stop trying to blame a religion. Apologists. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:29pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:24pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:30pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:33pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:29pm:
How about you pretend your username does not have a reference to the novel 1984 which is about government oppression and brutality and then continue to support illegal acts by the Australian government of the same nature as described in the novel and their hostile foreign policy and then attack the CIA who is trying to fix the situation. And wonder why I consider you to be a person deserving of the status you have earnt. Wait, you're already doing that. Nevermind. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:35pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:30pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:36pm double plus good wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:35pm:
You know you're in more trouble than you can imagine, right? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:41pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:36pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Soren on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:42pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:22pm:
No, Curtis Cheng was not an analogy. He was an actual person the f Vking little punk had zero reason to murder and you have zero place to analogise in the defence of he rotten little punk. The little weasel has been given every opportunity, only to succumb to exactly your sort of stinking and stupid 'analogising' to believe that killing a random person leaving a police is the justifiable Muslim response to anything. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Merlin on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:43pm Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:43pm:
Because he is a leftist. That's why liberal voters must vote for anything but the liberal party at the next election. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by mothra on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:54pm Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
But it's not a "Muslim response". The vast majority of Muslims do nothing like this. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:57pm mothra wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:54pm:
Please take another sip ... ... and repeat after me: All Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:57pm mothra wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:54pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Soren on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:00pm mothra wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:54pm:
Sure, Allahu akhbaring while murdering someone has nuffin' to do wiv Islam or Muslims. We all allahu akhbar all the time, don't we, bint? Nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist Islamophobe. We understand your dogma. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:05pm Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:00pm:
The vast majority of Muslims don't Allahu akhbar while murdering someone. The vast majority of Muslims aren't murderers. Your Islamophobia has destroyed your brain. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by The Grappler on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:12pm
What pisses me off is the ungrateful little bastard was given a nice easy entry to Australia as a refugee family member - we opened our arms to him and his kind - and he, and Mad Man Monis, murders innocents who have done nothing to him in any way.
Ratbags like that should be outed at school and arrested the moment they start mumbling in their non-beards about holy whatever. The government should levy a corporate fine on his community for its failure to prevent this little ghett from getting out of control, including their failure to stand up like MEN and say what he did was totally wrong. Either that or get out! That's speaking plainly for yez..... |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Soren on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:47am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
;D You prove me right with your every utterance, ya reflexively unthinking drongo. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:47pm Soren wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 9:42pm:
You either are stupid and incapable of reading and comprehension, or you are implying that I am defending the murder of a police officer. My statement was it is not terrorism. My further statement is that you are aware of my signature under my posts. My additional statement is you are trying to hostilely engage with a foreign government. And I think you are dumb. So I can't be bothered trying to have informed or intelligent discourse with you further. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:48pm
Watch out Soren. He'll get the CIA on to you. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:52pm Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:47am:
You've never been right, Sore End. Unless, of course, being an ignorant Islamophobe is right. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:58pm double plus good wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:48pm:
I throw the CIA at ASIO all the time. Because of human rights breaches leading to radicalisation which has obviously led to the murder of this police officer. Which is not good at all for global stability or foreign relations with anyone. Imagine if country x had a policy of discriminating against Australians in their country. No land ownership, no wages above the award wage, no higher education, no right of appeal in criminal courts etc. It would cause immense damage to that countries foreign relations with Australia. And Islamophobia as a national security policy is causing irreversible damage to Australia. Many US allied countries are Islamic in majority. Some even have Sharia law. Such as Malaysia. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:01pm easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:58pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:03pm
He was incited to commit murder due to police and intelligence agency activity. Not in support of a hostile ideology. He was not a terrorist.
This murder is the fault of the police. And murder is bad. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:05pm double plus good wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:01pm:
You make excuses. You blame Islam. Apologist. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:06pm easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:08pm Quote:
I am not saying the murder is good. Or that it is justifiable. I am saying it is the fault of the police. And it was. And the government is using it to harm the image and reputation of your average Muslim. Which again shows you the evil mindset inherent in Australia. Provoke a Muslim to kill via human rights abuses. Get them to a state where they feel they have no other recourse. Then use that to further persecute Muslims in the public consciousness. This is seriously the fault of the police and intelligence agencies who intentionally provoked this type of response. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:09pm double plus good wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:06pm:
His home had been raided many times. His passport had been taken off him. His mother and sister had been persecuted. They said he was not a person of interest because he WAS NOT A TERRORIST and not on their radar for anything. He was lashing out because he was backed in to a corner. His family, friends etc and he, himself, were continually harassed and persecuted by government departments. This is the fault of the police. They are to blame. Instead, Islam is being used again. I do not understand how you can justify even a secret psychological operation to induce Islamophobia. It is absurd. It serves no long term purpose. Islam is not a hostile ideology. It is not terrorism. I could understand, perhaps, false flag terrorism targeted against the National Socialist movement in Germany in the 1920's, knowing how things turned out. But this is stupid and going to do no favors for Australia. It is the most abhorrent and idiotic nationals security policy of any country anywhere. Because there is nothing wrong with Islam. Again, this is the fault of the police. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:11pm easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by double plus good on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:14pm easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
"We don't know anything about him," the source said. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:16pm easel wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:45pm:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/students-counselled-after-sydney-shooting/story-fn3dxiwe-1227558393021 These statements are not perfectly accurate or in context. Nor is the claim that these are IS supporters. They are radicalised by the government and are now called IS supporters. They have no where to turn and due to their treatment are extremely hostile. These people have been left no where to turn due to police and intelligence agency illegality in the name of national security. The aim was to create an excuse for further national security measures. By torturing people. Do you know what is going on or not?[/quote]... |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:17pm
When it is national security or used for social engineering you will not get the full story.
You will get what is appropriate to reinforce the government position. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 4:58pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Soren on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:45pm easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 3:58pm:
Ah, you are battling 'mental health ' issues. Now I get it. Sorry for assuming that you were in full possession of your marbles. Cupa tea? Bex? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:47pm
You are a lunatic.
You firstly accused me of supporting terrorism. Now you are calling me crazy. I am accredited by a foreign government. Which you are aware of. This can and will change the rest of your life. You are really dumb. You are getting in to a fight that you can't win but can destroy you. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:51pm
I wouldn't make it a hobby of mine to fight entire nations and their reputation thereof.
It will destroy you and any backers you may or may not have. Your fight is not based on any plausible grievance. You accused me of supporting terrorism. I refuted that. Now you are in a world you can't escape. Keep going. You are not a rational being. If you are, run like hell and beg for forgiveness. You have no idea how big this thing is. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by ordinaryguy on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:56pm Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:45pm:
No shyte ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by easel on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:58pm
I can represent the CIA in diplomatic relations.
You want to fight the CIA? That will destroy the rest of your existence on this planet. Write what you want. Use the emoticons you want. It changes not the fact I can represent the US government in government to government exchanges, nor that we are more than capable of destroying your life. You really want to start this fight? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by ordinaryguy on Oct 7th, 2015 at 8:00pm easel wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 7:58pm:
Go your hardest LOON. The only thing you represent is a great case of a well executed lobotomy. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Soren on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
And nobody says they are murdering for Islam. But the ones who are allahu akhbaring ARE murdering for Islam. Or do you not believe them just because they are not like you? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:19pm Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:09pm:
Of course I believe them. I've never said anything to the contrary. You're easily confused, Sore End. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by ordinaryguy on Oct 7th, 2015 at 11:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
ah groggorymothery on the turps again, Yawn.... |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 8th, 2015 at 5:57am jenny wrote on Oct 6th, 2015 at 8:32pm:
Please don't feed the trolls. Their only interest in posting is to disrupt, derail, and quash any discussion on the actual subjects being put forward. easel greggorypecker Aussie Karnal John Smith and others are to be ignored. |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:03am ordinaryguy wrote on Oct 7th, 2015 at 11:16pm:
Well, when have I said anything to the contrary ... apologist? |
Title: Re: Muslims aren't the victims here Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:04am Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 5:57am:
Coming from Herbie The Troll King :o Priceless ;D |
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