Back in 1996 our hoplophobic PM banned semi auto rifles for recreational hunters.


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Table 4, deaths by firearm type Military firearms. 1991- 4 deaths 1992- 9 deaths 1993- 6 deaths 1994- 4 deaths 1995-1 death 1996- 38 deaths (Bryant never held a firearms licence) Gun Laws imposed 1997- 2 deaths 1998- 0 1999- 4 deaths 2000- 1 death www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi269.pdf

Did we ban the type of guns that caused the least amount of deaths in Australia?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

Back in 1996 our hoplophobic PM banned semi auto rifles for recreational hunters.

Excellent.

In 12 years Mr Howard did do 1 very good thing, maybe 2 but I forgot the other one.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 13^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

In 12 years Mr Howard did do 1 very good thing, maybe 2 but I forgot the other one.

He fixed Timor Leste.  The only other useful thing he accomplished, despite the US.   ::)

The figures show military style firearms accounted for about 1% of all firearm deaths in Australia before they were heavily restricted, firearm deaths include suicides which have males over 65 with the highest demographic.


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An analysis of the licensing and registration status of firearms used in homicide between 1 July 1997 and 30 June 1999 reveals that the overwhelming majority of these firearms were not registered and the offenders of homicides were not licensed firearm owners. (figure 6) Of the 117 homicide offenders who used firearms to commit homicide, only 11 (9.4%) homicide offenders were licensed firearm owners with registered firearms. In other words,licensed firearm owners were not responsible for the majority of firearms related homicides. Page 4 www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi151.pdf

In 2007-2008 the AIC stated-

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Page 31 -Firearm involvement in homicide increased slightly (12%, up from 9% in the previous year), however firearm involvement still remains at historical lows. The majority of firearms used in homicides were unregistered and/or unlicensed. www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/mr/mr13/mr13.pdf

The Australian Institute Of Criminology has stated the majority of firearm homicides are done by unlicensed people with unregistered firearms.

The 2 years of the first AIC study had 11 homicides done by licensed firearm owners and almost ten times more firearm homicides done by unlicensed people with unregistered firearms.

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Gino and Mark Stocco are carrying an SKS semiautomatic rifle, similar to an AK47,and Police have urged the public not to approach them. www.theaustralian.com.au/news/father-and-son-bandits-mark-and-gino-stocco-on-the-run-in-victoria/story-e6frg6n6-1227576300078

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It is understood that six rounds were fired from a semi automatic rifle into Mr Bailey's front door. www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/police-investigate-shooting-at-home-of-chief-racing-steward-terry-bailey-20151025-gki8ph.html

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Officers from Taskforce Maxima and the Australian Border force allegedly found the firearms- which included an Uzi type submachine gun.... www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-19/two-men-arrested-police-allegedly-find-uzi-revolver-drugs/6866992

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Friday ,23rd October 2015  10.45.53AM Police appeal after firearms and ammunition found in bushland-Cecil hills The firearms located were -An SKS military assault rifle -A sawn off .22 rifle -A sawn off shotgun -.22 cal pistol www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/media_release_archives

It's an offence to have a shortened or sawn off firearm, any shortened or sawn off firearm cannot be registered.

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As a result of the search warrants police seized 722 steroid tablets,14 vials of steroids,stolen power tools, a Ruger Model .22 calibre semi automatic rifle, a Springfield M14 semi automatic rifle and silencer, a pump action shotgun, a revolver and a Glock fully automatic handgun www.mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2015/10/28/arrest-for-firearms-and-steroids-pacific-pines-and-canungra

I read the link, what ammo is illegal?

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:

what ammo is illegal?

Ammo is illegal to possess  if you don't have a firearm license.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:48pm: what ammo is illegal? Ammo is illegal to possess  if you don't have a firearm license.

as is a used shell casing

The more unreasonable laws become the more likely they are to be ignored! Sorry to see how excessive some of yours are.

A 1988 document by the Australian Institute of Criminology.


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Page 4 Prohibition of certain firearms and ammunition Certain classes of firearms such as automatic and semi automatic can be fired rapidly,without reloading. As such, they carry an even greater potential for inflicting harm than do single shot weapons. Moreover,aside from use in limited circumstances by special groups such as farmers, they have no legitimate sporting or other purpose. www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi010.pdf

Automatic firearms were banned over 50 years ago, can the AIC really be that ignorant.
The AIC were saying farmers have a legitimate use for semi autos in 1988, they are also ignorant of 3 gun contests that require semi autos for target shooting comps when they claim no legitimate sporting use.

The Qld government broke the 1996 NFA by allowing farmers to have semi auto centrefire rifles, they changed this several years ago and didn't announce it so hoplophobes wouldn't crap their pants, no mass shootings since they allowed landowners to have semi autos again.

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These types of licenses are restricted to 1 Category D licence per property and a maximum of 2 Category D weapons. The Category D weapon may only be used on the rural land or area stated on the licence. www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/licenceApplications/licences/firearms/primary.htm

So when are the other states going to follow Qld's lead and allow Primary producers to have their semi auto centrefires back?

When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides.

In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides.

2014 FBI stats for California-
Total Murders = 1,697
Firearm homicides= 1,169
Handguns = 763
Rifles which includes  assault rifles = 40
Shotguns= 43
Hands/fists/feet= 97

Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California.
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20

The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears.

So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good.

Can you cite where I said that or did you pluck that from your ass Bumjack

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good.

Quick make the hysterical phone call to the cops before someone gets wet, from p1ssing their pants with fear.  ;D

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BigOl64 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:31am: So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good. Quick make the hysterical phone call to the cops before someone gets wet, from p1ssing their pants with fear.  ;D

I think the photo on the left was referring to his penis.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:40am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:31am: So what you're actually suggesting is ban all guns. Good. Quick make the hysterical phone call to the cops before someone gets wet, from p1ssing their pants with fear.  ;D I think the photo on the left was referring to his penis.

Everything is about d1cks with you lot, why such a deep fascination?

Penis envy, maybe?

YEs, its tough having to wrap it round my upper thigh only twice.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

YEs, its tough having to wrap it round my upper thigh only twice.

I actually knew of a man with your problem, the down side was that it didn't work except as a water spout!

ABS data on firearm type for gun deaths from 1980-1995


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Accidents- 283 deaths Military style rifle- 5 deaths Suicides- 5,487 deaths Military style rifle- 52 deaths Homicides- 813 deaths Military style rifle- 27 deaths Total proportion of Military firearm deaths 1980-1995= 1.3% abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/productsbytitle/9C85BD1298C075EACA2568A900139342?OpenDocument

Semi auto military style rifles were responsible for just over 1% of all firearm deaths in the 15 years before they were banned, they were the least common type of firearm used in homicides,suicides and accidental deaths.

Semi autos arn't banned. Only their capacity was limited. If a hunter can't take down their quarry in the first few shots, then they're doing it wrong.

The ban on high capacity, semi autos is justified, as it limits the potential for massacres, while still allowing the functionality for hunters and other legitimate uses.

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boxy,

You do not know what you are talking about.

Really? I can get a license for numerous weapons that can shoot as fast as I can pull the trigger, for enough shots as it takes to take down anything out there.

Why would I need more?

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides. In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides. 2014 FBI stats for California- Total Murders = 1,697 Firearm homicides= 1,169 Handguns = 763 Rifles which includes  assault rifles = 40 Shotguns= 43 Hands/fists/feet= 97 Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California. fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20 The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears.

You seem to be ignoring the suicide and accidental gun death figures.

ian wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:26am: When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides. In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides. 2014 FBI stats for California- Total Murders = 1,697 Firearm homicides= 1,169 Handguns = 763 Rifles which includes  assault rifles = 40 Shotguns= 43 Hands/fists/feet= 97 Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California. fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20 The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears. You seem to be ignoring the suicide and accidental gun death figures.

What real relevance to the CAUSE of suicide deaths, are the availability of a firearm ???

What i'm getting at is that;      Anyone who is determined to commit suicide doesn't need a firearm to accomplish his/her desire.

And the principle CAUSE of suicide among human beings is a feeling of hopelessness [imo].

[I blame Karnal for that]



ARGUMENT;
Plenty of people die as a result of the use vehicles on our roads.       > 1,000 people per year die in Australia

We could [if we really, really wanted to] remove vehicles from our roads, to eliminate the carnage on our roads, but we are not willing to do that ?

And would seeking to remove all vehicles from our roads [to eliminate all road deaths, when we all know that presence of vehicles are a contributing factor to all road deaths],        ....be a logical and reasonable objective and aim ?



And in a similar way, removing the right of peaceable and law-abiding citizens from owning firearms, does not [will never] eliminate deaths from firearms in Australia.

Such a policy [disarming peaceable and law-abiding citizens] simply makes the community [i.e. all peaceable and law-abiding citizens] more vulnerable to the intentions of violent criminals.

Such a policy [though it may seem appealing], is dumb and illogical.

But hey; "We're from the government, and we're here to help you!"




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Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:21pm:

ARGUMENT; Plenty of people die as a result of the use vehicles on our roads.       > 1,000 people per year die in Australia We could [if we really, really wanted to] remove vehicles from our roads, to eliminate the carnage on our roads, but we are not willing to do that ? And would seeking to remove all vehicles from our roads [to eliminate all road deaths, when we all know that presence of vehicles are a contributing factor to all road deaths],        ....be a logical and reasonable objective and aim ? And in a similar way, removing the right of peaceable and law-abiding citizens from owning firearms, does not [will never] eliminate deaths from firearms in Australia. Such a policy [disarming peaceable and law-abiding citizens] simply makes the community [i.e. all peaceable and law-abiding citizens] more vulnerable to the intentions of violent criminals. Such a policy [though it may seem appealing], is dumb and illogical.

https://gds44.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/disarm.jpg



Should the Israelis disarm their school teachers [and other citizens of Israel], '.....because firearms are very dangerous' ???


QUESTION;
Would disarming Israeli teachers make Israeli children who attend Israeli schools safer ?


QUESTION;
Would disarming Israeli teachers make Israeli children who attend Israeli schools safer,   .....when many, many 'Palestinians' who live within Israel proper, are quite prepared to act to kill Israeli children who attend Israeli schools ?




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Presumably this woman in the image above is an Israeli teacher.

She is holding an Uzi submachine gun.

Apparently, she has been competently trained in the safe use of firearms.

n.b. in the image above, her trigger finger is prominently, held away from the trigger.

One of the basics of firearm safety;
'When holding a firearm, don't place your finger on the trigger [or inside the trigger guard], until you intend to, and are ready to fire, at an intended target.'

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 4:21pm:

[q What real relevance to the CAUSE of suicide deaths, are the availability of a firearm ??? What i'm getting at is that;      Anyone who is determined to commit suicide doesn't need a firearm to accomplish his/her desire.

I wasnt  the one who used homicide statistics as support for your argument. The same argument could be used for murder.

ian wrote on Jan 1^st, 2016 at 11:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 11:26am: When the hoplophobes mention gun laws they all want to ban semi auto rifles despite the fact these weapons are the least common firearm used in homicides. In the USA it's pistols and not assault rifles that are responsible for the majority of gun homicides. 2014 FBI stats for California- Total Murders = 1,697 Firearm homicides= 1,169 Handguns = 763 Rifles which includes  assault rifles = 40 Shotguns= 43 Hands/fists/feet= 97 Assault rifles caused fewer deaths than pistols or shotguns in 2014, more than twice as many people were killed with fists-feet-hands compared to rifles in California. fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20 The hoplophbes ignore the guns responsible for the most deaths and focus on the scary guns that cause the least deaths which shows they have irrational fears. You seem to be ignoring the suicide and accidental gun death figures.

Suicide is a separate issue, I see the hoplophobes don't give a stuff about suicides that don't involve a gun they are very quiet about the 20,000 people who kill themselves without a firearm.
They say nothing about hanging which has become the most common method of suicide in Australia.


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Table 10 Deaths- Accidental discharge of firearms = 505 deaths Accidental falls= 30,208 deaths Accidental poisoning = 38,851 deaths Accidental drowning = 3,391 deaths Transport accidents = 37,938 deaths Suicide by firearm = 21,175 deaths Other suicides = 19,974 deaths. cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

When you look at accidental deaths in the USA falls and poisoning kill far more people than firearms.

The USA has nearly 38,000 killed every year in transport accidents how does that compare to Australia?

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Page 11 Humane shooting operations The shooting technique that will be used for this program is endorsed by the Australian Government as the most humane method for reducing the numbers of pest animals. This technique involves shooting the animals using the 'double tap' method,which requires that 2 shots be fired at the heart and lungs in rapid succession. This results in a quick death, with minimal stress and suffering. Page 15 Firearms and ammunition for humane destruction of large pest animals Firearm- .308 (7.62) calibre rifle such as the Springfield M14 and M1A, L1A1 SLR territorystories.nt.gov.au/bitstream/handle/10070/212930/Feral_Animal_Control_Manual.pdf?sequence=1

The Australian Government says double tapping with a semi auto .308 is the most humane method for dealing with feral pests, that should remove any doubt on the suitability of semi auto rifles for feral pest control.

While I don't think the AR15 is suitable because it's underpowered compared to a .308 many people use them for hunting.
Click on images to dispel the myth semi autos are not suitable for hunting
google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ar15+hunting