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Title: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Greens_Win on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am

A tetraplegic sent to New Zealand after 36 years living across the Tasman is the latest victim of Australia's tough new immigration laws.

The 56-year-old New Zealander, who asked to be identified only as "Paul", said the Australian Government "dumped me at Auckland Airport" three weeks ago.

He has no friends or family here and landed with only $200 and a voucher for a week's accommodation.

The case is a fresh embarrassment over the treatment of New Zealand-born convicted criminals by Australia.

It comes as Prime Minister John Key and his Australian counterpart met in Auckland yesterday when Turnbull described the transtasman neighbours as "family".

Australia's Department of Immigration and Border Protection would not comment to the Herald on Sunday last night.

Paul - who is wheelchair bound but has some feeling in his arms - said he was jailed twice after being caught self-medicating with controlled painkillers.

After the first incident in 2012 he served 13 months in jail. A few months after his release he was caught again and served a further seven months.

He was extradited last month under a controversial new Australian law which allows foreign nationals who have served a year or more in jail to be deported.

The man says he would be begging on the streets of Auckland had it not been for government-funded charity Prisoners' Aid and Rehabilitation Society (Pars).

"I feel like I've just been dumped - away from all my family and friends. I have nothing here."

Earlier complaints about the deportation system include Angela Russell who has spent 37 of her 40 years in Australia but is being sent here after being convicted of theft.

Junior Togatuki, 23, died while in a detention centre after his pleas not to be deported were rejected. He was 4 when he moved from Auckland to Sydney and told authorities he had "no memory" of New Zealand.

More than 200 New Zealanders are held in seven detention centres, including some who have lived in Australia their whole lives.

Key tried to force a backtrack on the law but Turnbull has refused to budge, saying only more resource would be poured into the appeal process to speed it up.

Turnbull said there had been a large number of revocations since the law was introduced last year but the numbers would go down as the backlog was cleared.

Paul, who broke his neck in a 2010 accident, said the deportation policy didn't take into account the severity of someone's crime.

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

He was told his visa was being withdrawn by the Australian Government two days before his second jail term was up. He said he then spent an additional four months in a detention centre while his deportation was organised.

Paul's case, and that of other Kiwi deportees, is putting strain on Pars' resources, the Department of Corrections-funded service.

Tui Ah Lo, Pars' executive director, said the level of resource available to them has posed serious difficulties in trying to offer Paul the service he needs.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11530899

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am

He's a drug addict who has been caught not once but twice. He only has himself to blame.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Greens_Win on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am

A quarter of a million Australian kiwi expats may not agree with the treatment though.

When push comes to shove, this voting block may not be as inhumane as you might hope come election day.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:15am

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

A quarter of a million Australian kiwi expats may not agree with the treatment though.

When push comes to shove, this voting block may not be as inhumane as you might hope come election day.

As far as I know, unless they're Australian citizens they can't vote.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Muttley on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am

When they start to send homosexual kiwis back, you may have something to whinge about.....

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Honky on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

I'd be inclined to agree. The front bottom suffered an incredibly serious and painful injury and was just trying to find some relief. When you're in constant pain, you'll go to great lengths to alleviate it.

Imprisoning and ultimately deporting him is a horrible way to deal with a victimless crime.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

He's a drug addict who has been caught not once but twice. He only has himself to blame.

Drug addict = not of good character? That would exclude 90% of Australians then.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:43am

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

A quarter of a million Australian kiwi expats may not agree with the treatment though.

When push comes to shove, this voting block may not be as inhumane as you might hope come election day.

The Greens need to advertise this governments cruelty to humanity, it's getting worse, first they started with asylum seekers, now expat New Zealanders, who next? the old, the unemployed, the mentally ill.

What do they want? fourth generation pink skinned Aussies only?

Come on Greens.

Labor won't, we only have the Greens and a few independents to keep the bastards honest.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:43am

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

I'd be inclined to agree. The nice person suffered an incredibly serious and painful injury and was just trying to find some relief. When you're in constant pain, you'll go to great lengths to alleviate it.

Imprisoning and ultimately deporting him is a horrible way to deal with a victimless crime.

Hear hear!

I know someone in intense pain a lot of the time and the tightening up of laws relating to opiates means constant worry lest the pills run out before they can get the next scrip filled. When you have a terminal illness and lots of pain all this crap just makes life almost unbearable.

Deporting that man was a low act.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

That's your opinion. From my time in nursing, I can tell you with absolute certainty that you'd be surprised how many people become addicted to prescription medication. You'd be even more surprised who some of those people are. As for it being a victimless crime. Maybe it was - so far. What happens when the person starts to suffer withdrawals? That craving for the medication can make seemingly reasonable people do some pretty dangerous things. he knew the law - it's not like he was oblivious, as he'd already had one stint in prison over this.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:46am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:43am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

Opiates are a controlled drug for a very good reason. They're highly addictive and can be dangerous when not administered under supervision.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Marla on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:50am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

Opiates are a controlled drug for a very good reason. They're highly addictive and can be dangerous when not administered under supervision.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by sir prince duke alevine on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

breaking the law does not necessarily mean immoral or bad. Especially in cases, such as this, where clearly the law is outdated.

And to assess ones character on what ifs is not really the way we determine anything.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

So you’re saying he should be deported because he might do dangerous things?

Please explain.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Honky on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

I can tell you with absolute certainty that you'd be surprised how many people become addicted to prescription medication. You'd be even more surprised who some of those people are.

I don't think I'd be surprised.

It starts with an injury and a script - take 2 pills twice a day with meals - and it works a treat.

But after a couple of weeks, 2 pills does nothing and the pain returns - they take 4 and get soem relief.

But after a couple of months, 4 does nothing, so they take 8, but they can't get a legit script for that much.

It's at this point where they'd be better off trying another drug to see if it works better, but they mightn't be able to get it.

So they're stuck on the oxys, taking more and more to get the same effect they once had. But to get those numbers they've got to do some dodgy poo. These might be people who'd never even return a library book late, but constant pain will make them plumb depths they'd never ordinarily sink to. Yes, they're addicted, but they became so not because they were chasing a high, but becasue they simply wanted to go a day where they could go about their business like a normal person.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

So you’re saying he should be deported because he might do dangerous things?

Please explain.

No, he's being deported because he broke the law not once but twice. He no doubt knew the consequences but did it again and now has to love with his actions.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:18pm

I would prefer it wasn't automatic or that there was an appeal process, but other than that, I don't see the problem. If you come to our country then you need to obey the laws. If you don't, you place yourself at risk of deportation and that is just another penalty of going to jail. I do however think it should include people who actually GO to jail and exclude suspended sentences.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Marla on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

You'd be even more surprised who some of those people are.

Oh, would I?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

You'd be even more surprised who some of those people are.

Oh, would I?

You're an idiot.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

You'd be even more surprised who some of those people are.

Oh, would I?

You're an idiot.

Not news.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Marla on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:37pm

He mows a keen lawn, apparently.

But adheres to the Lib Party line 100% and gets his opinions from the Daily Toilet. To be pitied.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:53pm

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Try again. Rub a nurse the wrong way and you'll be in for a subtly horrid time of it!

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:54pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

He mows a keen lawn, apparently.

But adheres to the Lib Party line 100% and gets his opinions from the Daily Toilet. To be pitied.

That's one of the jobs I did during a break from nursing. It was completely different, which is what I needed, and got me VERY fit. You try working in palliative care (caring for the terminally ill) and see how long you last without a break.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

So you’re saying he should be deported because he might do dangerous things?

Please explain.

No, he's being deported because he broke the law not once but twice. He no doubt knew the consequences but did it again and now has to love with his actions.

Deportation is not part of the criminal code, Armchair. Abbott’s deportation policy is supposed to protect Australians from terrorists, murderers and organised crime gangs.

Now we find out.there’s a thousand Kiwis awaiting deportation for crimes like prescription drug posession, shoplifting and not paying parking fines. They can’t even fit them all in the detention centres.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

I would prefer it wasn't automatic or that there was an appeal process,.

Ah.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:09pm

Is he an australian citizen ?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:50pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

So you’re saying he should be deported because he might do dangerous things?

Please explain.

No, he's being deported because he broke the law not once but twice. He no doubt knew the consequences but did it again and now has to love with his actions.

You think deportation is NEW???

Don't you ever get embarrassed by your stupid statements?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Johnsmith on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

I'm betting he gets a lot more deaths on his shift than other nurses ... with armpit lecturing they just will themselves to death .. it's much more preferable than listening to his crap

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

And what would you offer them on a death bed? You have no hope and no future. You would be a depressing person.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:32pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Is he an australian citizen ?

Best to stay out of this one, Sprint. You might want to lie low for a while.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

"I'm not making excuses for what I did, but I didn't hurt anyone and I wasn't dealing anything," he said.

So you’re saying he should be deported because he might do dangerous things?

Please explain.

No, he's being deported because he broke the law not once but twice. He no doubt knew the consequences but did it again and now has to love with his actions.

You think deportation is NEW???

Don't you ever get embarrassed by your stupid statements?

It’s new for a year in jail, dear, yes. The Abbott government changed the rules. You might remember the "terror" legislation. Who knows? You may even have supported it.

We all know you get embarrassed, dear. Constantly.

I do feel this shows character.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Is he an australian citizen ?

Best to stay out of this one, Sprint. You might want to lie low for a while.

Why ?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Is he an australian citizen ?

Best to stay out of this one, Sprint. You might want to lie low for a while.

Why ?

Now now, Sprint, you don’t respond to my posts. In this case, I think that’s the best course of action.

Oh, I know you’ll say you’re an Australian citizen who obeys all the laws you agree with, but you’re still a dual citizen.

As this law shows, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Prescription drugs, shoplifting, unpaid parking fines. If they want you, they’ll get you.

I know you’d like to respond with a one or two-word post, but for your own security, I think it would be best if you didn’t respond at all.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by davo on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

All countries, of course. New Zealand just took issue with it, particularly as a thousand Kiwis who’ve lived in Australia for years are awaiting deportation.

There are thousands of Greeks and Lebs and Poms and Pacific Islanders, all in the same situation. They’d be deporting Abos if they could get away with it.

No offence, Sprint.

They’re all terrorists, of course. Those New Zealanders have a lot to answer for.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by davo on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

Very extreme punishment for minor crimes, Karnal do you think this was Abbotts idea or the hard right within the LNP.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

Very extreme punishment for minor crimes, Karnal do you think this was Abbotts idea or the hard right within the LNP.

I’m not sure, Davo. Mr Abbott’s always told us not to listen to his ideas unless they’re written down.

Problem is, he became PM. Looks like some of Bolt’s, Alan’s, Miranda’s and Ray Hadley’s ideas got written down, no?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by davo on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

Very extreme punishment for minor crimes, Karnal do you think this was Abbotts idea or the hard right within the LNP.

Yeah he had a very enthusiastic squad of cheerleaders, I tuned in on the net to hear Hadleys morning show the morning after Abbott was knifed, inbetween Rays rants about Turnbull the judas Ray was telling his listeners which members had voted for Turnbull and was encouraging listeners to ring them and give them an earful a very funny show.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Marla on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 12:46am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Try again. Rub a nurse the wrong way and you'll be in for a subtly horrid time of it!

Gross. Too literal.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:14am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

You don't talk politics when at work as a nurse. It's irrelevant when caring for someone. try again.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

And what would you offer them on a death bed? You have no hope and no future. You would be a depressing person.

So, you would tell them they have a future?

Lying to the dying is not nice maria.

Don't be depressed dear, pop into the CWA, I told the girls about you and they're dying to meet you., they can't wait to tell you about their anti depressant medication.....all natural of course.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:46am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

And what would you offer them on a death bed? You have no hope and no future. You would be a depressing person.

Never worked in palliative care, eh, Maria? You don't lie. They know what's happening and so you tell them the truth. It's far more comforting than being lied to and lies will destroy what trust exists between you and your patient.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:34am

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

'self-medicating' is code for STEALING DRUGS. How does anyone medicate without a prescription? THEFT or fraud.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:35am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

And what would you offer them on a death bed? You have no hope and no future. You would be a depressing person.

I can talk to them about God and a future and a hope. And have done so.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:06am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

And what would you offer them on a death bed? You have no hope and no future. You would be a depressing person.

I can talk to them about God and a future and a hope. And have done so.

Only to the ones that believe that bs I hope, to spruik the bible story to captive non believers in their last days would be cruel.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Greens_Win on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:08am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

You're an idiot.

And you're not a nurse. Not with that bedside manner.

Imagine being on your death bed and having to listen to AP reciting the Liberal Party book of plans and policies, that's sure to speed up the process.

And what would you offer them on a death bed? You have no hope and no future. You would be a depressing person.

I can talk to them about God and a future and a hope. And have done so.

'Talk to them' = Lecturing down to.

Do you also insult them to try and make yourself feel more important, like you do here?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:15am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

oh dear wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Jailed for self medicating on painkillers since when has this been a crime? are they intending to deport people from all countries or just Kiwis.

'self-medicating' is code for STEALING DRUGS. How does anyone medicate without a prescription? THEFT or fraud.

You buy them on the street, dear.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

A negotiator from the church?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:21am

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

A negotiator from the church?

Something you from your muslim background wouldn't understand.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mothra on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:38am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

A negotiator from the church?

Something you from your muslim background wouldn't understand.

You don't think Muslim people offer spiritual support for their dying Maria?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:52am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

A negotiator from the church?

Something you from your muslim background wouldn't understand.

Do you negotiate with God, Maria?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mariacostel on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:11am

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

A negotiator from the church?

Something you from your muslim background wouldn't understand.

Do you negotiate with God, Maria?

I'm curious.

Don't be ridiculous.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:52am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

You would be very surprised what people want and need in their final hours.

A negotiator from the church?

Something you from your muslim background wouldn't understand.

Do you negotiate with God, Maria?

I'm curious.

Don't be ridiculous.

I do this all the time. Please, God, please don't kill me yet. I'll be good, I promise.

I've gotten away with it so far.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 2:00pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

I do this all the time. Please, God, please don't kill me yet. I'll be good, I promise.

I've gotten away with it so far.

You do seem to get your own way, NO?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:37pm

I understand that luvvies are instinctively open borders evidenced here, even in cases where someone is a convicted criminal, has spent time in jail, the rule apparently says 12 months or so, so not insignificant, and there is an ability to deport him, ie a known destination (hasn't been playing coy and losing documents for example) the instinct for the luvvies is never the less, to not deport.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Marla on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

If that ever happened to me while on my death bed in a hospital, I'd do my best to hang myself with the I.V. tubing.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:57pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

I do this all the time. Please, God, please don't kill me yet. I'll be good, I promise.

I've gotten away with it so far.

You do seem to get your own way, NO?

Oh, I try, dear. I do find it helps to negotiate.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Karnal on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

The luvvies? I thought it was the new Zealanders.

Please explain?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mothra on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:46pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

He's a tetraplegic who's been living here for 36 years who became dependant on painkillers.

Do you really think it is either humane or reasonable to deport to where he has no support at all?

How would letting him stay in his home be 'opening the gates'.

God you lot are hysterical.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:47pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

The luvvies? I thought it was the new Zealanders.

Please explain?

Your own comments and Mothras above explain.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

You are allowed to self medicate with controlled painkillers if a doctor prescribes them, they don't throw you in jail for taking prescription medication.
To be jailed twice shows he was a criminal using drugs.

Can't wait for greenswine to be deported. ;D :)

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by mothra on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Baron you don't understand what self-medicating means in this context. It doesn't mean taking prescribed medication on your own reconnaissance it means taking medication without a prescription.

Of course he was criminally taking the drugs.

That doesn't alter the point that he was merely trying to deal with pain. Hardly a hardened drug dealer.

And he's a tetraplegic who has lived here most of his life and has no contacts in NZ.

It's beyond cruel to deport him.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:29pm

mothra wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

____ wrote on Oct 18^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

If a doctor prescribed them for him he would have had no troubles.

How do you get prescription medication without a doctor prescribing them,would it involve fraud?

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:41pm

You buy them on the street.

for goodness sake, after my hip replacement operation there was one night where I craved another Endone. If I had given in I would have been dependent on them. So easy to become dependent on them.

This was a stupid, mean act by a very stupid mean govt!

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

You buy them on the street.

for goodness sake, after my hip replacement operation there was one night where I craved another Endone. If I had given in I would have been depended on them. So easy to become dependent on them.

They call it hillbilly heroin, it's restricted for a reason.

Of course leftist twits see nothing wrong with breaking our laws.

I have Resident Alien status in the USA, I would be deported from the USA if I abused prescription medication and have my Resident Alien status revoked.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

The non–exitent God. A bible basher is not who most would want tending to them in their last hours.

Depends on the person. I've been there when many people have requested a religious person be present during their final moments.

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 5:54pm

A priest comes to me in my final hours will be forced to drink the contents of my colostomy bag from the week before!

Title: Re: Australia Dumps Tetraplegic
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Yeah, it is restricted. People do become dependent on them in hospital etc. Instead of deporting the cripple why not put him in a detox centre? A bloody heavy handed approach. abbott really was a crap PM.