Julia Gillard  (Labor Party of  Australia  )

•Born in Wales. As a baby she contracted a severe lung infection and spent weeks in a oxygen tent in hospital, prompting her parents to migrate to the warmer climate of Australia

• Former secretary of Socialist Forum

•Lobbied for the scrapping of the ANZUS treaty

•Had a two-year relationship with fellow Minister Craig Emerson, who was married with three children at the time

•While working as a lawyer, had an affair with one of her clients, an allegedly corrupt union official, and set up bank accounts that helped him laundry money, some of which may have been spent on the renovations of her house. When exposed, her firm accepted her resignation and she spent 6 months unemployed

•A royal commission into corruption responded to her demands to be trusted due to her "good character" responded by finding, “A further problem raised by the submission is that though there is virtually no evidence of Julia Gillard’s good reputation and character beyond that which is to be inferred from her status as a former prime minister"

•First female prime minister

•A proud athiest

• Only unmarried prime minister

•Attacked the Greens for not having family values

•Opposed paid parental leave

•Said she didn't believe in gay marriage and that mariage should be between a man and a woman

•Said women "do not think the same way as men"

•Said that women in marriage are like prostitutes

•Stood behind MP Craig Thomson who had been found to have misused up to $500,000 of union funds on expenses such as prostitutes

•Gave her boyfriend, a hairdresser, a job as health ambassador

•Said, " I’m just going to be upfront about this: foreign policy is not my passion"

•In May 2010, said, "There's more chance of me becoming the full-forward for the Dogs (Western Bulldogs AFL team) than there is any chance of a change in the Labor party."

•In June 2010, challenged for the leadership of the Labor Party and won

•Vowed not to introduce a carbon tax before her maiden election. After forming a coalition with the Greens MP, introduced a carbon tax

•A member of her staff collaborated with a union official and media to incite a racial protest against the leader of the opposition. The plan backfired when Aborigines turned on her

•After leading the Labor Party in a disastrous election, claimed her predecessor had sabotaged it

• After leading Labor to its lowest ever poll ratings, claimed her leadership was being sabotaged by her predecessor

• After her predecessor went to the back bench and remained silent on all issues, blamed the media for sabotaging her government

•When she found out that Peter Slipper, a member of the Liberal Party, would lose pre-selection because of alleged dubious conduct, she offered him a deal to become speaker of the house and so gain an extra vote. Slipper subsequently had sexual harassment and fraud allegations levelled against him and had to stand aside

•Made a deal with an independent to crack down on problem gambling using poker machines. Reneged on deal when she was able to manipulate numbers to eliminate the need for the independent

•Said if she had been Aboriginal, rather than a woman, there would have been more outrage at the discrimination she believed she suffered.

•When she discovered that her speaker referred to a jar of muscles as a jar of delicious "salty ***ts", stood by him and launched into a speech accusing her critics of misogyny.

•Polls showed that she was the most unpopular prime minister in history.

•After polls showed that she was leading Labor to oblivion, her party replaced her with Kevin Rudd, the predecessor that most of the party couldn’t stand.

MAIN POLITICAL TRICK

As her popularity fell into freefall as one policy disaster followed another, perhaps Gillard saw the gender card as an excuse to have a legacy other than the most unpopular prime minister in Australian history. It seemed to protect her ego but it did not help her party in the polls.

VERDICT

By her own measure, Gillard was a failure. Gillard blamed her failure on sexism of the Australian public. Perhaps a more objective reading would be that she was so desperate to hold onto power that she sold her soul to an opposition party and independents in a way that made it impossible to portray herself as honourable, honest and capable of solving the difficult problems.  At the very least, history will not assert her as a leader of great morality. As the royal commission into union corruption found, aside from her status as a former prime minister, there was nothing in her history to suggest she was of good character.

she must be real proud of herself...  :)

Gee, let's see if there is any......any at all.....political bias where that came from?

Link.

Did anyone see it?

The board’s dumbest member speaks. . .rubbish.

All that and she still was in the job longer than Abort  ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Gee, let's see if there is any......any at all.....political bias where that came from? Link. Did anyone see it?

Looks like Tonys needs an update  :D

Its time wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:13pm:

All that and she still was in the job longer than Abort  ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

While Mongy isn’t that bright he is a supernova compared to True Blue/Mechanic.

Then again, no libturd here ever has his own opinion, they get it from the Daily Toilet.

Why hasn't Gillard, Shorten and Thomson served time? Anyone that's not a rusted on knows they're crooks.

double plus good wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Why hasn't Gillard, Shorten and Thomson served time? Anyone that's not a rusted on knows they're crooks.

I know right?

and I bet the peado PM was a Labor PM as well...  >:(

I can bet Keating slipped into a hot tube with Rivkin and a whole bunch of Thai rent boys.

once again the rusted on Labrats can't find fault in the article so attack the authors..

pathetic..  ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:28pm:

once again the rusted on Labrats can't find fault in the article so attack the authors.. pathetic..  ::)

No.  The content in what you posted is probably all correct.  It is the format, context, tone and emphasis which makes the author's real intent clear.

Gillard was a very good PM, unfortunately she couldn't survive with Rudd constantly undermining her. I hope Abbott does the same to Turnbull. ;)

Rembering Julia Gillard

Probably the best PM of the last few decades.

What a nasty, gossipy, vindictive pile of crap. Not a shred of humour in it either. Just a series of low blows.

Pathetic.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Rembering Julia Gillard Probably the best PM of the last few decades.

I'd agree to that

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Rembering Julia Gillard Probably the best PM of the last few decades.

;D

Aussie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:35pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:28pm: once again the rusted on Labrats can't find fault in the article so attack the authors.. pathetic..  ::) No.  The content in what you posted is probably all correct.  It is the format, context, tone and emphasis which makes the author's real intent clear.

100% ... thankyou..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:37pm: Rembering Julia Gillard Probably the best PM of the last few decades. ;D

says the guy who voted for Abbott  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

double plus good wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Why hasn't Gillard, Shorten and Thomson served time? Anyone that's not a rusted on knows they're crooks.

Umm - because in two out of three the evidence would not sustain it, and for the third he is copping retirement on a good package as punishment...

If you stole from your employer you wouldn't be handed a nice retirement...

double plus good wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Why hasn't Gillard, Shorten and Thomson served time? Anyone that's not a rusted on knows they're crooks.

Because that's how it works when you're connected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMmVJ9BmUo  ;D

double plus good wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

I can bet Keating slipped into a hot tube with Rivkin and a whole bunch of Thai rent boys.

You were there?

oh dear wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Gillard was a very good PM, unfortunately she couldn't survive with Rudd constantly undermining her. I hope Abbott does the same to Turnbull. ;)

He already has.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:54pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:27pm: I can bet Keating slipped into a hot tube with Rivkin and a whole bunch of Thai rent boys. You were there?

Paul Keating on Homo's - Said on gay marriage, "Two poofs with moustaches and a spaniel do not make a family"  :o -----------------  ;D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:54pm: double plus good wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:27pm: I can bet Keating slipped into a hot tube with Rivkin and a whole bunch of Thai rent boys. You were there? Paul Keating on Homo's - Said on gay marriage, "Two poofs with moustaches and a spaniel do not make a family"  :o -----------------  ;D

True, he did say that.  He also made remarks which were gay positive.

There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, dear.

Aussie wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 8:10pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:54pm: double plus good wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:27pm: I can bet Keating slipped into a hot tube with Rivkin and a whole bunch of Thai rent boys. You were there? Paul Keating on Homo's - Said on gay marriage, "Two poofs with moustaches and a spaniel do not make a family"  :o -----------------  ;D True, he did say that.  He also made remarks which were gay positive.

yes... funny the things they say when they need votes...

not just keating... the lot of them... ;)

Remember Julia Gillard ?

Almost better than Tony Abbott, very forgettable.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:54pm: double plus good wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:27pm: I can bet Keating slipped into a hot tube with Rivkin and a whole bunch of Thai rent boys. You were there? Paul Keating on Homo's - Said on gay marriage, "Two poofs with moustaches and a spaniel do not make a family"  :o -----------------  ;D

What about two spaniels with moustaches and a poof?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:50pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMmVJ9BmUo  ;D

Bloke I know said a mate of his told him he found a tick on his neck and pulled it off.... must have been a very happy tick....

Karnal wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 8:16pm:

There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, dear.

That was car bone tax - you didn't get charged for shagging in a car....

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 8:39pm:

Remember Julia Gillard ? Almost better than Tony Abbott, very forgettable.

All right in bed, though - in a non-sexist way, of course.  Ah - the ambassador's wife..... the security game can be fun at times....

Louis Armstrong – St James Infirmary Lyrics

It was down by old Joe's barroom, on the corner of the square
They were serving drinks as usual, and the usual crowd was there
On my left stood Big Joe McKennedy, and his eyes were bloodshot red
And he turned his face to the people, these were the very words he said

I was down to St. James infirmary, I saw my baby there
She was stretched out on a long white table,
So cool, so sweet and so fair

Let her go, let her go, God bless her
Wherever she may be
She may search this whole wide world over
Never find a sweeter man as me

When I die please bury me in my high top Stetson hat
Put a twenty dollar gold piece on my watch chain
The gang'll know I died standing pat

Let her go, let her go God bless her
Wherever she may be
She may search this wide world over
Never find a sweeter man as me

I want six crapshooters to be my pallbearers
Three pretty women to sing a song
Stick a jazz band on my hearse wagon
Raise hell as I stroll along

Let her go Let her go
God bless her
Wherever she may be
She may search this whole wide
World over
She'll never find a sweeter
Man as me
Songwriters: MILLS, IRVING

Least we don't got no boy bands livin' next door to us!  AND we provide entertainment during Page Turner's coffee break...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:08pm:

Julia Gillard  (Labor Party of  Australia  ) •Born in Wales. As a baby she contracted a severe lung infection and spent weeks in a oxygen tent in hospital, prompting her parents to migrate to the warmer climate of Australia • Former secretary of Socialist Forum •Lobbied for the scrapping of the ANZUS treaty •Had a two-year relationship with fellow Minister Craig Emerson, who was married with three children at the time •While working as a lawyer, had an affair with one of her clients, an allegedly corrupt union official, and set up bank accounts that helped him laundry money, some of which may have been spent on the renovations of her house. When exposed, her firm accepted her resignation and she spent 6 months unemployed •A royal commission into corruption responded to her demands to be trusted due to her "good character" responded by finding, “A further problem raised by the submission is that though there is virtually no evidence of Julia Gillard’s good reputation and character beyond that which is to be inferred from her status as a former prime minister" •First female prime minister •A proud athiest • Only unmarried prime minister •Attacked the Greens for not having family values •Opposed paid parental leave •Said she didn't believe in gay marriage and that mariage should be between a man and a woman •Said women "do not think the same way as men" •Said that women in marriage are like prostitutes •Stood behind MP Craig Thomson who had been found to have misused up to $500,000 of union funds on expenses such as prostitutes •Gave her boyfriend, a hairdresser, a job as health ambassador •Said, " I’m just going to be upfront about this: foreign policy is not my passion" •In May 2010, said, "There's more chance of me becoming the full-forward for the Dogs (Western Bulldogs AFL team) than there is any chance of a change in the Labor party." •In June 2010, challenged for the leadership of the Labor Party and won •Vowed not to introduce a carbon tax before her maiden election. After forming a coalition with the Greens MP, introduced a carbon tax •A member of her staff collaborated with a union official and media to incite a racial protest against the leader of the opposition. The plan backfired when Aborigines turned on her •After leading the Labor Party in a disastrous election, claimed her predecessor had sabotaged it • After leading Labor to its lowest ever poll ratings, claimed her leadership was being sabotaged by her predecessor • After her predecessor went to the back bench and remained silent on all issues, blamed the media for sabotaging her government •When she found out that Peter Slipper, a member of the Liberal Party, would lose pre-selection because of alleged dubious conduct, she offered him a deal to become speaker of the house and so gain an extra vote. Slipper subsequently had sexual harassment and fraud allegations levelled against him and had to stand aside •Made a deal with an independent to crack down on problem gambling using poker machines. Reneged on deal when she was able to manipulate numbers to eliminate the need for the independent •Said if she had been Aboriginal, rather than a woman, there would have been more outrage at the discrimination she believed she suffered. •When she discovered that her speaker referred to a jar of muscles as a jar of delicious "salty ***ts", stood by him and launched into a speech accusing her critics of misogyny. •Polls showed that she was the most unpopular prime minister in history. •After polls showed that she was leading Labor to oblivion, her party replaced her with Kevin Rudd, the predecessor that most of the party couldn’t stand. MAIN POLITICAL TRICK As her popularity fell into freefall as one policy disaster followed another, perhaps Gillard saw the gender card as an excuse to have a legacy other than the most unpopular prime minister in Australian history. It seemed to protect her ego but it did not help her party in the polls. VERDICT By her own measure, Gillard was a failure. Gillard blamed her failure on sexism of the Australian public. Perhaps a more objective reading would be that she was so desperate to hold onto power that she sold her soul to an opposition party and independents in a way that made it impossible to portray herself as honourable, honest and capable of solving the difficult problems.  At the very least, history will not assert her as a leader of great morality. As the royal commission into union corruption found, aside from her status as a former prime minister, there was nothing in her history to suggest she was of good character.

REAL VERDICT

She was just a stupid bitch who couldn't own her own shyte.

Imagine rating her. You'd have to be brain dead. (Hint: Look at the posters who did!)

double plus good wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 11:08pm:

brain dead

We know.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 11:19pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:08pm: brain dead We know.

Agreed gillard was utterly brain dead.

There are a number if inaccuracies in the list and it is amazingly more profuse in its nit picking than the very short Abbott list for example.

Seems to be the most emotional biased assessment of any PM in the list.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 11:19pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:08pm: brain dead We know.

We know doubled plus some .

Brain life would need to be established as existing before brain death is possible.

I'd rather file her away under Useless Objects or Bad Memories

all successful people have to learn to keep their emotions under control.

as a lefty woman , this would have been a very difficult task, sadly for her a task she was not up to.

Look at a great leader like JH...unflappable.
Malcolm seems to be of a similar ilk.

Look at female green senators..totally ruled by their emotions (i include the female senator adam bandt in this group).

Look at Miss Plibosek...a seething angry mass of emotions .


Look at the lefty posters on Ozpolitics...most just have outbursts of raw emotions coming from a place of low consciousness.

Animals (wild animals) behave like this. and if one looks at a street march by the socialist alliance or a CFMEU picket line, one is reminded of wild animals.


One lefty woman seems to have tweaked to this.
Penny Wong does seem to be exercising emotional control and i commend her for this.i believe she has had a baby and being a parent (and she wears suits mainly so i am assuming she is the daddy) has enabled her to grow into a more strong, confident, leadership role.  I would hope John Howard would be willing to mentor her. It would be very nourishing for her soul

Scoot gets everything 180° wrong again.

Gillard was one of our great PMs and will be remembered as such long after Howard and abbott are forgotten. That is what is really griping the braindead rightards here.

Our best PM ever, John Curtin, was also a Labor PM.

John Howard was a drunk. Only an idiot would say Malcolm was unflappable.

Its time wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:13pm:

All that and she still was in the job longer than Abort  ;D ;D ;D

... and not once was she voted in by the people of this country. Her first time as PM was as a result of knifing Rudd, the sitting PM at the time. Her second time as PM was solely as a result of Bob Brown's support in return for her breaking her key election promise not to introduce a carbon tax. Yeah, I wouldn't be too proud of her having served longer than Abbott with her record as PM being as dismal and riddled with failure.

A partisan analysis? Moar content like this plz.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:23am:

Scoot gets everything 180° wrong again. Gillard was one of our great PMs and will be remembered as such long after Howard and abbott are forgotten. That is what is really griping the braindead rightards here. Our best PM ever, John Curtin, was also a Labor PM. John Howard was a drunk. Only an idiot would say Malcolm was unflappable.

I'd be interested in a plebosite on the popularity of JH v JG.
;) ;) ;) ;).

malcolm seems more stable then JG.

"I  will not be lectured by that man !!!!, said with viscousness rarely seen in our parliament before....how emotional, how unbecoming !!! ;)

Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap.

Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate.

Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt.

abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector.

Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:40am:

Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is.

I'd say malcolm is possibly the most "secure" person to ever enter parliament.
the guy doesnt need the dough, he has great and proper self esteem due to his awesome success.
I would think for malcolm like many great rightards , its about a sense of 'contribution"

Surely you can see that people like Gates and Jobs didnt need the money.
Jobs even kept contributing when he was dying of cancer.

what inspirational people the successful business people are.
something for us all to aspire to be.

i would hope you put a poster of malcolm on your bedroom wall monk to meditate on when you are trying to self-actualise

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:40am:

Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is.

diddums needs to get his memory checked.. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

hilarious memory you have monk...pity its all crap.

cods wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:01am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:40am: Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is. diddums needs to get his memory checked.. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( hilarious memory you have monk...pity its all crap.

Yep, the monk is very fond of re-writing history to suit his twisted views.

cods wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:01am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:40am: Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is. diddums needs to get his memory checked.. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( hilarious memory you have monk...pity its all crap.

Cods, 
leftards are like anxious young horses that desperately need training.
Please dont get angry at them, it will result in a fight or flight response.
Try and encourage even the smallest "try"
If a leftard can just get a little glimmer of the joy of walking the rightard path , then we can bring them over to the fold.
I have had unruly brumbies that i felt like giving up on but the rightard must persevere,  Persistence is a rightard value.
When a leftard is misbehaving, people like you and i need to call on our deep empathy and try to be

kind
encouraging
challenging.

Not all leftards will remain permanently lost.
Many will become fiscally conservative as they get older and see the great damage done by the leftard philosophy.   i always think of retired rich self actualised men like hawke and keating and latham who eventually repented of their sins and turned on those who they had previously been in group think with

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:49am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:40am: Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is. I'd say malcolm is possibly the most "secure" person to ever enter parliament. the guy doesnt need the dough, he has great and proper self esteem due to his awesome success. I would think for malcolm like many great rightards , its about a sense of 'contribution" Surely you can see that people like Gates and Jobs didnt need the money. Jobs even kept contributing when he was dying of cancer. what inspirational people the successful business people are. something for us all to aspire to be. i would hope you put a poster of malcolm on your bedroom wall monk to meditate on when you are trying to self-actualise

The trouble is, you just sit and read old self help books and don’t even understand what you read. The Turnbull temper is well known. He is insecure because his mother left when he was still a boy and some say (not saying I endorse this) that everything he has done and achieved (and he has, a fair bit, including betrayal of employers) is to impress his absent mother.

But unflappable only when things go his way. You should get out in the real world a bit, Scoot. You are a very ignorant person.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:06am:

cods wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:01am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:40am: Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is. diddums needs to get his memory checked.. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( hilarious memory you have monk...pity its all crap. Yep, the monk is very fond of re-writing history to suit his twisted views.

hahahaha that stung, did it?  ;D ;D ;D

So, what were the major successes of the Fraser govt?

You don’t believe Howard’s profligacy is still buggering up economic management even now? We are spending $56Bn (and growing) to fix up the mistake of privatising Telstra as a monopoly, the tax exemptions on super which mostly benefit the 20% on highest incomes cost as much as the age pension this financial year and will exceed it in 2016/7 and increase rapidly thereafter.

What I said was truth. Obviously, uncomfortable truths for two people who never think deeply about politics and never read outside the Daily Toilet.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:49am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:40am: Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is. I'd say malcolm is possibly the most "secure" person to ever enter parliament. the guy doesnt need the dough, he has great and proper self esteem due to his awesome success. I would think for malcolm like many great rightards , its about a sense of 'contribution" Surely you can see that people like Gates and Jobs didnt need the money. Jobs even kept contributing when he was dying of cancer. what inspirational people the successful business people are. something for us all to aspire to be. i would hope you put a poster of malcolm on your bedroom wall monk to meditate on when you are trying to self-actualise The trouble is, you just sit and read old self help books and don’t even understand what you read. The Turnbull temper is well known. He is insecure because his mother left when he was still a boy and some say (not saying I endorse this) that everything he has done and achieved (and he has, a fair bit, including betrayal of employers) is to impress his absent mother. But unflappable only when things go his way. You should get out in the real world a bit, Scoot. You are a very ignorant person.

good grief.
His mother leaves when he is a young boy and instead of being a cry-baby or taking up petty crime, he goes on to be the prime minister and YOU see this as taking a "flawed" path in life to try and impress an absent mother.

I do believe you require a psychologist more urgently then malcolm.

Why do the left see success as failure?
So much retraining required.  :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

She was also never once voted in by the people.

No PM in Australia has ever been voted in by the people.

However, in August 2010 the Labor Party formed Government, after a general election, with Juliar Gillard as their leader.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

Divisive? She cobbled together a minority government of independents and the Greens. The independents praised her consensus-driven approach. They supported her more than her own party.

How was she divisive?

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Rembering Julia Gillard Probably the best PM of the last few decades.

You really are a silly person. I thought you loved Hawke and Keating?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:31am:

Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people.

She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:58am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:46am: aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:49am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:40am: Poor Libturds, faced with poor PMs they have to go after a Labor PM to hide the fact their PMs have been crap. Fraser, did nothing for eight years, despite control of the Senate. Howard—fed a boom, pissed $350Bn boom time revenues up against the wall, privatised Telstra as a monopoly. His pork and wealthfare built into the Budget with Costello’s now unaffordable tax cuts are the cause of the record deficits and debt. abbott, did not formulate any policies, with his Treasurer hokey destroyed what confidence there was in the heavily indebted private sector. Turncoat—is continuing abbott’s “policies” so will be no better but will explode at some time, revealing his true character and his temper, so even Scoot can’t fail to see what an insecure persom Turncoat is. I'd say malcolm is possibly the most "secure" person to ever enter parliament. the guy doesnt need the dough, he has great and proper self esteem due to his awesome success. I would think for malcolm like many great rightards , its about a sense of 'contribution" Surely you can see that people like Gates and Jobs didnt need the money. Jobs even kept contributing when he was dying of cancer. what inspirational people the successful business people are. something for us all to aspire to be. i would hope you put a poster of malcolm on your bedroom wall monk to meditate on when you are trying to self-actualise The trouble is, you just sit and read old self help books and don’t even understand what you read. The Turnbull temper is well known. He is insecure because his mother left when he was still a boy and some say (not saying I endorse this) that everything he has done and achieved (and he has, a fair bit, including betrayal of employers) is to impress his absent mother. But unflappable only when things go his way. You should get out in the real world a bit, Scoot. You are a very ignorant person. good grief. His mother leaves when he is a young boy and instead of being a cry-baby or taking up petty crime, he goes on to be the prime minister and YOU see this as taking a "flawed" path in life to try and impress an absent mother. I do believe you require a psychologist more urgently then malcolm. Why do the left see success as failure? So much retraining required.  :D :D

I never said what you just posted. No wonder your self help books don’t help you, you read what you want to read into everything!

The only poll that counts is the one on erection day, Maria.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 6:05am:

There are a number if inaccuracies in the list and it is amazingly more profuse in its nit picking than the very short Abbott list for example. Seems to be the most emotional biased assessment of any PM in the list.

abbotts list hasn't been finished yet.. don't fret honey..

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. Divisive? She cobbled together a minority government of independents and the Greens. The independents praised her consensus-driven approach. They supported her more than her own party. How was she divisive?

of course the maggot greens praised her... they extorted billions of dollars out of her to waste on stupid wasteful projects and made her look at fool while they got off scot free...

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote.

That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive?

Quote:

Julia Gillard trades insults with opposition leader after Speaker Peter Slipper's sexist language is revealed in harassment case The Speaker of the Australian parliament has resigned after text messages revealed he had used sexist and vulgar language in an exchange with a former staffer, who is suing him for sexual harassment. Peter Slipper's resignation followed a heated debate in parliament during which the prime minister, Julia Gillard, and the conservative opposition leader, Tony Abbott, traded insults over the use of misogynistic language in politics. The offending text messages, revealed as part of court proceedings against Slipper, described female genitalia as looking like "a mussel removed from its shell". "Look at a bottle of mussel meat! Salty front bottoms in brine!" he continued in his text message to former staffer James Ashby. "Been to thw (sic) fish shop yet to buy the bottle of shell less mussells (sic)?" At question time Abbott, leader of the Liberal party, called for Slipper to be sacked. The Speaker stood aside earlier this year, pending the outcome of the legal proceedings, but retained many of the perks of the office. "This Speaker's actions are this prime minister's responsibility and this Speaker's standards perforce are this prime minister's standards, unless she has the responsibility and the decency to remove this Speaker from this high office," Abbott told the house. Gillard hit back, saying she "would not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man [Abbott]. Not now, not ever."

so Gillards plan of attack to protect a Misogynistic Peado was to Call Abbott himself a Misogynist ...

and didn't the leftist media run with it.. grub of a failure of a woman...

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:38am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive?

are you kidding me???

she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card..

bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::)

Yes yes. She declared a war among the genders. Clearly.

She never used her gender as an excuse for anything.

And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:37pm: Rembering Julia Gillard Probably the best PM of the last few decades. You really are a silly person. I thought you loved Hawke and Keating?

Didn't like Hawke that much Keating was better but only barely scrapes into the last 2 decades by 1 year, almost said close to two decades for that reason.


Cay you say anything without you obligatory insult added in

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:06am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 7:37pm: Rembering Julia Gillard Probably the best PM of the last few decades. You really are a silly person. I thought you loved Hawke and Keating? Didn't like Hawke that much Keating was better but only barely scrapes into the last 2 decades by 1 year, almost said close to two decades for that reason. Cay you say anything without you obligatory insult added in

No she can't. It is after-all, the main part of her arguments.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::)

Lets not forget that anyone who questioned the climate change church was immediately labelled a denier and unworthy of having their view heard or considered. She also hated with a passion anyone who wore a blue tie for some mystifying reason. Why not brown or black or purple ties, Juliar?

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Yes yes. She declared a war among the genders. Clearly. She never used her gender as an excuse for anything. And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to.

You're kidding, right? She blames her downfall on her being attacked because she was a woman. She also had a rather easy parliament to work with, thanks to her depraved marriage between the ALP and Greens.

Love seeing the more brainless rightards here, True Blue and Armpit lashing out at “Juliar.” There is a reason for that: they instinctively know it will be PM Gillard that will become increasingly recognised as the greatest PM for 60 years.

Julia is out there working at a high level in a field she loves: education. No sitting in the HoR waiting and wishing for someone to offer a high paying job like Costello did.

Gillard will shine in our history when abbott & howard are mere footnotes.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

Love seeing the more brainless rightards here, True Blue and Armpit lashing out at “Juliar.” There is a reason for that: they instinctively know it will be PM Gillard that will become increasingly recognised as the greatest PM for 60 years. Julia is out there working at a high level in a field she loves: education. No sitting in the HoR waiting and wishing for someone to offer a high paying job like Costello did. Gillard will shine in our history when abbott & howard are mere footnotes.

PMSL!!!! That is GOLD. Simply hilarious. I didn't know you were so adept at comedy! Wow, you're the most delusional phuckwit on this forum by far (even more than GW)!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::)

Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved.

Hurts, doesn’t it? But you know it is true.

abbott was just a thug, Howard just bribed the electorate.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved.

He didn’t like what he got, did he?  ;D ;D ;D Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain.

OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:15pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved. He didn’t like what he got, did he?  ;D ;D ;D Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain. OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that.

actually most women disliked her.
the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her .
her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral,  the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club.  most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:14pm:

PMSL!!!! That is GOLD. Simply hilarious. I didn't know you were so adept at comedy! Wow, you're the most delusional phuckwit on this forum by far (even more than GW)!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

as you seem determined to prove on an almost daily basis, there are lots of things you don't know.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

actually most women disliked her.

that in itself should convince you that she was doing brilliantly ... no one hates a successful woman more than other women.   

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm: actually most women disliked her. that in itself should convince you that she was doing brilliantly ... no one hates a successful woman more than other women.

an element of truth there.
mindless people do hate the cream.
you are right that when we look at a successful person like Trump or Murdoch , we must conclude they are doing brilliantly because so many mediocre people hate them  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm: actually most women disliked her. that in itself should convince you that she was doing brilliantly ... no one hates a successful woman more than other women.    an element of truth there. mindless people do hate the cream. you are right that when we look at a successful person like Trump or Murdoch , we must conclude they are doing brilliantly because so many mediocre people hate them  ;)

You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot?

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:56pm:

You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot?

;D ;D ;D ;D
I think he did

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:54pm: Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm: actually most women disliked her. that in itself should convince you that she was doing brilliantly ... no one hates a successful woman more than other women.    an element of truth there. mindless people do hate the cream. you are right that when we look at a successful person like Trump or Murdoch , we must conclude they are doing brilliantly because so many mediocre people hate them  ;) You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot?

well if they hated Gillard PURELY because she was successful, as suggested by John, are YOU suggesting that this is a mindful position, developed as a result of deep consciousness and logical reasoning

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:56pm: You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot? ;D ;D ;D ;D I think he did

i think you did,  go back and read your own comments where you said "MOST WOMEN HATE A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN"

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:56pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:54pm: Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm: actually most women disliked her. that in itself should convince you that she was doing brilliantly ... no one hates a successful woman more than other women.    an element of truth there. mindless people do hate the cream. you are right that when we look at a successful person like Trump or Murdoch , we must conclude they are doing brilliantly because so many mediocre people hate them  ;) You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot? well if they hated Gillard PURELY because she was successful, as suggested by John, are YOU suggesting that this is a mindful position, developed as a result of deep consciousness and logical reasoning

I disagree with John's suggestion.

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to.

The reason for this is Tony Abbott is the very model of divisiveness. His entire career from student politics on is a history of declarations of war. He even called his book, "Battlelines".

This divisiveness is the reason the independents went with Gillard, along with the professed lack of trust they had in Abbott. They believed Gillard's personality was far more suited to minority government than Abbott's. They were proven right, but whether you believe this or not, it was this judgment that formed the decision to make Gillard PM over Abbott. Gillard was open to negotiation and she kept her promises.

Gillard lost Wilkie early on for her broken promise on pokie reform, but she kept Oakeshot and Windsor. Alas, she also broke a promise to the church to not have a Royal Commission into sexual abuse. Interestingly, Gillard now credits this as one of her successes.

But divisive she wasn't. Gillard was strangely accessible. Some MPs say there must have been two of her. She had a warm, jovial personality for a PM, and she listened. Importantly, she was on top of her briefs. When Gillard spoke, she usually knew much more than she let on.

And yes, she achieved far more legislation than Abbott in a minority government - much of that legislation she negotiated herself. Gillard's success as PM is measurable.

Gillard was hated because she was useless and couldn't string two words together.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:15pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved. He didn’t like what he got, did he?  ;D ;D ;D Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain. OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that. actually most women disliked her. the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her . her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral,  the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club.  most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Do you have proof of this?

Gillard was Australia's second worst PM after Kevin Rudd.

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:15pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved. He didn’t like what he got, did he?  ;D ;D ;D Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain. OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that. actually most women disliked her. the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her . her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral,  the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club.  most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch " Do you have proof of this?

do i have proof that K Rudd was the preferred PM by female labor voters?
I heard some commentator talking about it at the time (emma alberici i think) and i remember being surprised that Rudd resuming the leadership was expected to give labor a boost amongst female voters. i thought they must all have a crush on him  ;)

Come on Scoot, self actualise and answer the bloody question! Or are you a gutless worm?

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:15pm:

Come on Scoot, self actualise and answer the bloody question! Or are you a gutless worm?

i shall ignore your bad behaviour  ;) ;)

from the  SMH at the time

The poll follows a terrible fortnight for Labor in which Mr Rudd returned prominently to the airwaves and the Treasurer, Wayne Swan, admitted his mining tax had raised almost no revenue.
Fewer than one in four voters now support the mining tax in its current form, with two thirds of voters in favour of either dumping it or making it stronger.
The national poll of 1400 voters was carried out between Thursday and Saturday.
Approval/disapproval ratings tell a similar story of woe for the embattled Prime Minister.
The snapshot of voter sentiment coincides with a Galaxy Poll published by News Limited newspapers on Sunday that showed female voters, thought to be Ms Gillard's secret weapon against Mr Abbott, were walking away, with 36 per cent indicating support for the Prime Minister.
Mr Stirton said it was possible that women may have led the charge away from Ms Gillard.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pms-poll-pain-abbott-and-rudd-more-popular-20130217-2elb7.html#ixzz3pGQItQRf
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aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:15pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved. He didn’t like what he got, did he?  ;D ;D ;D Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain. OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that. actually most women disliked her. the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her . her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral,  the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club.  most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch "

Yes - the old 'misogyny' line was a mistake and lowered her to the gutter of feminist politics - and at a time when the issues developing and beginning to confront this country meant that many people, such as my good self, had heard enough of this same old trite tripe about women being victims when they demonstrably cop all the goodies, often by government decree.  They get affirmative action in schooling, tertiary education, work placement in any public service or similar job, pushes to get into all other areas of work, and all the goodies of child support and so forth, plus every right to just walk out on whim to suit themselves.

This country was beginning to go down the toilet, partly as a result of this deliberate and calculated divisiveness within our society at its most basic level - so a woman standing up on a half mill salary plus all found and screeching 'misogyny' while at the top of the political pile was simply obscene.

She would have been far better served simply handling it with grace and aplomb instead of making an obvious play for the women's vote - and failing.

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:18pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:15pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Her misogynist speech was in answer to Abbott making accusations about Misogyny himself, That's right the holder of over 7 Ernies was hypercritical enough to be making sexist allegations. Abbott got what he deserved. He didn’t like what he got, did he?  ;D ;D ;D Those on the Lib front bench didn’t either, the body language visible in the QT video that day makes that plain. OTOH, Gillard inspired and gave confidence to millions of women. No other speech by any other politician went viral like that. actually most women disliked her. the labour vote amongst women went up when Rudd replaced her . her speech went viral the same way a train wreck goes viral,  the number of hits is no indication that the viewers were part of the fan club.  most probably just watched it and went "stoooopid biitch " Do you have proof of this?

Unfortunately - my personal experience at a polling booth from the Labor women there was that they hated her, and felt that Kevie was their anointed saviour, and she the usurper who crucified him.  A Jezebel or whatever....

I don't disbelieve this, Aquascoot. I'd just like to see a breakdown of the numbers before I made a judgement either way.

You know, like Longy.

(Apologies to Lisa).

Crainial wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Gillard was hated because she was useless and couldn't string two words together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLEx-cf6Jdw

Nice proof, Aquascoot. Thanks.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:58pm: mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:56pm: You are saying that women are mindless, Scoot? ;D ;D ;D ;D I think he did i think you did,  go back and read your own comments where you said "MOST WOMEN HATE A SUCCESSFUL WOMAN"

yes, but I didn't say they are mindless .... they're jealous.

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 1:05pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:48am: And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to. The reason for this is Tony Abbott is the very model of divisiveness. His entire career from student politics on is a history of declarations of war. He even called his book, "Battlelines".

This old chestnut: conservatives are divisive while "progressives" are inclusive. Of course, except if you are Christian, conservative, a banker, rich, successful, a white male, have pride in oneself and history, straight, are family orientated etc. etc. etc.

The real difference is the honesty in their approaches. Conservatives will tell you straight up who they like and dislike. "Progressives" hide all their divisiveness behind feelgood slogans like diversity, tolerance and the like.

mothra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:48am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Yes yes. She declared a war among the genders. Clearly. She never used her gender as an excuse for anything. And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to.

Gillard never had a hostile senate dickhead.. if you can't tell the difference then stay off the political forum..

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:11pm: Love seeing the more brainless rightards here, True Blue and Armpit lashing out at “Juliar.” There is a reason for that: they instinctively know it will be PM Gillard that will become increasingly recognised as the greatest PM for 60 years. Julia is out there working at a high level in a field she loves: education. No sitting in the HoR waiting and wishing for someone to offer a high paying job like Costello did. Gillard will shine in our history when abbott & howard are mere footnotes. PMSL!!!! That is GOLD. Simply hilarious. I didn't know you were so adept at comedy! Wow, you're the most delusional phuckwit on this forum by far (even more than GW)!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

no he is right.. Gillard is shining out in our history.. take a look at the OP ... Monkey obviously agrees...

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:48am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Yes yes. She declared a war among the genders. Clearly. She never used her gender as an excuse for anything. And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to. Gillard never had a hostile senate dickhead.. if you can't tell the difference then stay off the political forum..

Yes she did. Weren't you paying attention?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 1:05pm: mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:48am: And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to. The reason for this is Tony Abbott is the very model of divisiveness. His entire career from student politics on is a history of declarations of war. He even called his book, "Battlelines". This old chestnut: conservatives are divisive while "progressives" are inclusive. Of course, except if you are Christian, conservative, a banker, rich, successful, a white male, have pride in oneself and history, straight, are family orientated etc. etc. etc. The real difference is the honesty in their approaches. Conservatives will tell you straight up who they like and dislike. "Progressives" hide all their divisiveness behind feelgood slogans like diversity, tolerance and the like.

Plenty of "conservatives" are inclusive, Mistie. If Abbott was so honest about his likes and dislikes, why the need to be all hush hush during an election? Why the need for false election promises, three-word slogans and policy built around spin?

How about a paid parental leave scheme just to prove Abbott liked women?

Or his non-committal on gay marriage and rolling out his lesbian sister to play gay-friendly?

The Abbott government was the least stable, and the least honest we’ve had in recent memory. I bet you’re ever so glad to see Turnbull in the chair, just like the rest of us.

"Conservatives" and "progressives" alike can breathe again.

Why women hated Gillard? Internalized misogyny is a hell of a thing.

Fun fact, strong independent female characters focus test the worst with general female demographics, A series of Star Trek had to replace its planned female first officer because she focus tested poorly with women. What are the responses from women? "Shes bitchy", "A women shouldn't argue with a males orders" etc etc

Also some of the strongest attacks of Feminism have come from women and female conservative groups.

Feminism/gender equality and women who fall outside "traditional" gender norms attack the patriarchal, misogynistic false consciousness that many women build their lives upon, "oh I'm a great woman because I shacked up with a rich guy and I have a family and big suburban house!, my man is the best" you would be surprised how overwhelming this outlook on life is for the average woman, even most Gen Y female classmates I have on facebook post poo like this all the time... in 2015.

Its sad this is still very much the case, I personally experienced vicious misogyny against Gillard coming from female co-workers, acquaintances and on social media. Anyone who says Gillard wasn't a victim of misogyny is grade A full of S***

the reviews after Gillards Hate Speech of men in Blue Ties..


Quote:

Scathing reviews from the Left and feminists, including even one of the founders of Destroy the Joint: Social commentator Jane Caro said it smacked of desperation and could blow up in the Prime Minister’s face… Ms Caro added Ms Gillard’s abortion comments “smack of desperation, like it’s her last card’’. “I am deeply worried about it,” she said. She said the broader playing of the gender card “feels like a political tactic rather than a statement of real belief’’… “ I’m worried it will create this very idea that we don’t want, which is that women in politics only represent women. We want women in politics because we want the brightest and the best of all available people.’’ University of Technology, Sydney, professorial fellow Eva Cox said voters shouldn’t be swayed by politics that uses gender to rally votes. “This strikes me as part of continuing to push the misogyny thing,’’ she said. “If women want to vote for Julia, they should do it based on the policies that both parties are putting up, not on the possibility that there might be something on abortions, given the ­federal government control in that area is?minimal.” More reviews: It raised eyebrows within Labor, with some MPs believing the Prime Minister had “jumped the shark”. Coalition women described the comments as desperate and offensive. Even one Labor MP, Stephen Jones, said he was surprised by Ms Gillard’s pitch. He stressed he supported a woman’s right to choose but “I am not convinced of the wisdom of kicking this into a political debate’’... And another: And there’s Wendy Harmer, co-founder of The Hoopla, who says her readers haven’t been impressed. She told the ABC: “I’ve been getting emails all day saying ‘Did she really say that’?” Hmm. Maybe we should indeed be scared of treasurers in blue ties delivering budgets aka Wayne Swan But be aware: Gillard’s speech is not just an appeal to women to prevent her being replaced by Tony Abbott. It is also to appeal to prevent her being replaced by another man - Kevin Rudd.

not to mention she was a godless, childless, unmarried, lying, backstabbing witch   >:(

You can disagree with gay marriage and not hate gays. It's not an 'you're either with us or against us' mentality. The ppl was a bad idea from a conservative. There may be a few exceptions here and there, but generally, "progressives" are the ones claiming to be humanity's best friend then launch into a tirade of anger against their enemies.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

You can disagree with gay marriage.

Sure, but why would you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you?

The same reason Muslims do.

double plus good wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:03pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you? The same reason Muslims do.

Which is ... ?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:01pm:

the reviews after Gillards Hate Speech of men in Blue Ties.. Quote: Scathing reviews from the Left and feminists, including even one of the founders of Destroy the Joint: Social commentator Jane Caro said it smacked of desperation and could blow up in the Prime Minister’s face… Ms Caro added Ms Gillard’s abortion comments “smack of desperation, like it’s her last card’’. “I am deeply worried about it,” she said. She said the broader playing of the gender card “feels like a political tactic rather than a statement of real belief’’… “ I’m worried it will create this very idea that we don’t want, which is that women in politics only represent women. We want women in politics because we want the brightest and the best of all available people.’’ University of Technology, Sydney, professorial fellow Eva Cox said voters shouldn’t be swayed by politics that uses gender to rally votes. “This strikes me as part of continuing to push the misogyny thing,’’ she said. “If women want to vote for Julia, they should do it based on the policies that both parties are putting up, not on the possibility that there might be something on abortions, given the ­federal government control in that area is?minimal.” More reviews: It raised eyebrows within Labor, with some MPs believing the Prime Minister had “jumped the shark”. Coalition women described the comments as desperate and offensive. Even one Labor MP, Stephen Jones, said he was surprised by Ms Gillard’s pitch. He stressed he supported a woman’s right to choose but “I am not convinced of the wisdom of kicking this into a political debate’’... And another: And there’s Wendy Harmer, co-founder of The Hoopla, who says her readers haven’t been impressed. She told the ABC: “I’ve been getting emails all day saying ‘Did she really say that’?” Hmm. Maybe we should indeed be scared of treasurers in blue ties delivering budgets aka Wayne Swan But be aware: Gillard’s speech is not just an appeal to women to prevent her being replaced by Tony Abbott. It is also to appeal to prevent her being replaced by another man - Kevin Rudd. not to mention she was a godless, childless, unmarried, lying, backstabbing witch   >:(

Good point, Mechanic. You stone these types in Saudi Arabia, no?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:03pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you? The same reason Muslims do. Which is ... ?

Many people around the world see it as a ceremony highlighting the union between man and woman connected  with their religion.

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:07pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:01pm: the reviews after Gillards Hate Speech of men in Blue Ties.. Quote: Scathing reviews from the Left and feminists, including even one of the founders of Destroy the Joint: Social commentator Jane Caro said it smacked of desperation and could blow up in the Prime Minister’s face… Ms Caro added Ms Gillard’s abortion comments “smack of desperation, like it’s her last card’’. “I am deeply worried about it,” she said. She said the broader playing of the gender card “feels like a political tactic rather than a statement of real belief’’… “ I’m worried it will create this very idea that we don’t want, which is that women in politics only represent women. We want women in politics because we want the brightest and the best of all available people.’’ University of Technology, Sydney, professorial fellow Eva Cox said voters shouldn’t be swayed by politics that uses gender to rally votes. “This strikes me as part of continuing to push the misogyny thing,’’ she said. “If women want to vote for Julia, they should do it based on the policies that both parties are putting up, not on the possibility that there might be something on abortions, given the ­federal government control in that area is?minimal.” More reviews: It raised eyebrows within Labor, with some MPs believing the Prime Minister had “jumped the shark”. Coalition women described the comments as desperate and offensive. Even one Labor MP, Stephen Jones, said he was surprised by Ms Gillard’s pitch. He stressed he supported a woman’s right to choose but “I am not convinced of the wisdom of kicking this into a political debate’’... And another: And there’s Wendy Harmer, co-founder of The Hoopla, who says her readers haven’t been impressed. She told the ABC: “I’ve been getting emails all day saying ‘Did she really say that’?” Hmm. Maybe we should indeed be scared of treasurers in blue ties delivering budgets aka Wayne Swan But be aware: Gillard’s speech is not just an appeal to women to prevent her being replaced by Tony Abbott. It is also to appeal to prevent her being replaced by another man - Kevin Rudd. not to mention she was a godless, childless, unmarried, lying, backstabbing witch   >:( Good point, Mechanic. You stone these types in Saudi Arabia, no?

Apparently in Australia they can be taken to sea in a chaff bag.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 1^st, 1974 at 10:54am:

There may be a few exceptions here and there

Ah.

double plus good wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:03pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you? The same reason Muslims do.

We are all one, no?

double plus good wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: double plus good wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:03pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you? The same reason Muslims do. Which is ... ? Many people around the world see it as a ceremony highlighting the union between man and woman connected  with their religion.

Indeed.

Why would one object to a union between a woman and a woman connected with their religion, though?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm:

double plus good wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:03pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you? The same reason Muslims do. Which is ... ?

For the same reason you don’t eat pork, shave your beard or eat with your left hand.

It’s haram, you see.

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double plus good wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: double plus good wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:03pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: You can disagree with gay marriage. Sure, but why would you? The same reason Muslims do. Which is ... ? Many people around the world see it as a ceremony highlighting the union between man and woman connected  with their religion.

The only churches we have in Western.Sydney are Tongan or African.  If you want a marriage, you need to find a friendly imam.

We don’t get married in Western Sydney, Homo. We leave all that to the snots in the white leafy enclaves.

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:17pm:

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at least grumpy cat was a useful pussy..  ;D

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:17pm: http://imgfave-chat-herokuapp-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/image_cache/1358379335913367.jpg at least grumpy cat was a useful pussy..  ;D

Forgiven for disrespecting the Divine Mother.

All are exposed by the Light without consent, fear or favour.

And so it is.

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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:48am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Yes yes. She declared a war among the genders. Clearly. She never used her gender as an excuse for anything. And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to. Gillard never had a hostile senate dickhead.. if you can't tell the difference then stay off the political forum..

you should admit yourself to a psychiatric institution for that comment :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 7:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:07pm: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 7:01pm: the reviews after Gillards Hate Speech of men in Blue Ties.. Quote: Scathing reviews from the Left and feminists, including even one of the founders of Destroy the Joint: Social commentator Jane Caro said it smacked of desperation and could blow up in the Prime Minister’s face… Ms Caro added Ms Gillard’s abortion comments “smack of desperation, like it’s her last card’’. “I am deeply worried about it,” she said. She said the broader playing of the gender card “feels like a political tactic rather than a statement of real belief’’… “ I’m worried it will create this very idea that we don’t want, which is that women in politics only represent women. We want women in politics because we want the brightest and the best of all available people.’’ University of Technology, Sydney, professorial fellow Eva Cox said voters shouldn’t be swayed by politics that uses gender to rally votes. “This strikes me as part of continuing to push the misogyny thing,’’ she said. “If women want to vote for Julia, they should do it based on the policies that both parties are putting up, not on the possibility that there might be something on abortions, given the ­federal government control in that area is?minimal.” More reviews: It raised eyebrows within Labor, with some MPs believing the Prime Minister had “jumped the shark”. Coalition women described the comments as desperate and offensive. Even one Labor MP, Stephen Jones, said he was surprised by Ms Gillard’s pitch. He stressed he supported a woman’s right to choose but “I am not convinced of the wisdom of kicking this into a political debate’’... And another: And there’s Wendy Harmer, co-founder of The Hoopla, who says her readers haven’t been impressed. She told the ABC: “I’ve been getting emails all day saying ‘Did she really say that’?” Hmm. Maybe we should indeed be scared of treasurers in blue ties delivering budgets aka Wayne Swan But be aware: Gillard’s speech is not just an appeal to women to prevent her being replaced by Tony Abbott. It is also to appeal to prevent her being replaced by another man - Kevin Rudd. not to mention she was a godless, childless, unmarried, lying, backstabbing witch   >:( Good point, Mechanic. You stone these types in Saudi Arabia, no? Apparently in Australia they can be taken to sea in a chaff bag.

They can also be kicked to death, shot, ground up in a machine for grinding up old unproductive dairy cows etc. I guess the hatred is because Gillard was always on top of her brief, never referred a question to another minister like Malodorous has done several times now and accepted defeat with good grace and got high level employment soon after leaving Parliament. In other words, Gillard was better than the whole Lib Party combined and they recognised that and felt their inferiority deeply.

The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure .

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:48am: President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:45am: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:38am: mariacostel wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:31am: Gillard was one of the most unpopular and divisive PMs this country ever had. She was also never once voted in by the people. She took the Labor Party to its lowest ever polls and the 2013 election had the ALP receiving its lowest-ever primary vote. That wasn't the question, Mechanic. How was JuLiar divisive? are you kidding me??? she tried to drive a wedge between every male and female in the country by playing the "Sexist" card.. bloody pathetic... especially when she promised never to use her gender as an excuse for failure..  ::) Yes yes. She declared a war among the genders. Clearly. She never used her gender as an excuse for anything. And she was quite a successful Prime Minister. Got more through a tricky parliament than Tony came even close to. Gillard never had a hostile senate dickhead.. if you can't tell the difference then stay off the political forum..

The balance was about the same and the number of bills rejected was very similar. You are wrong if anything the Senate was more hostile then. It was however better managed and better negotiated.

Gillard managed it with discussion and negotiation where the Liberals went for threats and bullying. This is the reason for a differing perception.

Its time wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:37pm:

The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure .

Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh?

We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never.

I blame the leftards. Typical.

absolute horsesheet by the rusted ons...

even Her own labor party knew that she had totally Stuffed things so much that not one of them could work out a way to unstuff it all...

utterly and hopelessly STUFFED.. and you halfwits seem to think this is some sort of victory and that history will shine her in good stead..

well it wont as history has already been written..Gillard wrote it herself by her own dismal failures...


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In the middle of the 2012 winter, an influential supporter of Julia Gillard laid out for me the intricacies of the Labor caucus’ power structures, the labour movement’s web of personal antagonisms and the federal government’s dire predicament. At the end of his treatise, with a wide-eyed look of resignation and a despairing tone, he summed up: The whole show is f—ed and no-one can work out how to unf— it.

and that my friends was that...

no need to thank me for the history lesson...

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical.

Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had.

And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm: Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical. Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had. And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime.

Yes, that’s true. I do believe good government was just around the corner. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen.

I just wish the next erection could be a referendum on stopping the boats and saving $15 a year on our electricity bills.

Who knows? Maybe Mr Abbott will come back to save the day.

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm: Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical. Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had. And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime. Yes, that’s true. I do believe good government was just around the corner. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. I just wish the next erection could be a referendum on stopping the boats and saving $15 a year on our electricity bills. Who knows? Maybe Mr Abbott will come back to save the day.

No dear the next erection will be about expelling muslim skum from australia and stopping them coming here. Better get out while you can homo, its a jolly world , no ?

Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/22/1411346587521_wps_9_Prime_Minister_Julia_Gill.jpg

Remember when the ALP tried to whip up anti-Abbott sentiment leading up to Australia Day. It backfired, and Gillard ended up tits-up at the feet of a bunch of rampaging abos. Oh the hilarity!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Its time wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 8:37pm:

The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure .

Leigh Sales is intelligent and articulate
Julia sounded like a school teacher with a severe adenoid problem lecturing and talking down to a group of kids in prep.
Thats not my idea of articulate.
Her voice sounded like a piece of chalk being dragged across a blackboard.

As for her getting high level employment in the education sector.

her myschool website is a joke
the teachers union wont allow dud teachers to be exposed (unions protecting the mediocre, yet again) and Naplan is universally hated
and we are going backwards in maths and science against every south east asian country.

She did build some lovely school sheds though at hugely inflated costs. :D :D

Julia Gillard: from Australia’s first female prime minister to international superstar.


Quote:

Emerging as one of the top education leaders in the world, Gillard commands global respect to such an extent that the putative next president of the United States, Hillary Clinton, included our former prime minister in campaign video released this week.

People all over the world will still be valuing Julia Gillard’s work long (long!) after the next generation are trying to remember how to spell Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott’s names.


Quote:

The misogyny speech made Gillard internationally famous. She’s still stopped in the street, on college campuses, and in board rooms the world over by people who have watched the YouTube clip. But it would be a mistake to think her reputation globally begins and ends there. Where some former prime ministers seem to crave attention, missing the spotlight, Gillard has been doing substantive things these past few years – and without the need to broadcast it – by following her passion. The rest – the attention, the international profile – has followed.

The hate from the right is because Gillard is so much better than them.

Crainial wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm: Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical. Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had. And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime. Yes, that’s true. I do believe good government was just around the corner. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. I just wish the next erection could be a referendum on stopping the boats and saving $15 a year on our electricity bills. Who knows? Maybe Mr Abbott will come back to save the day. No dear the next erection will be about expelling muslim skum from australia and stopping them coming here. Better get out while you can homo, its a jolly world , no ? Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time.

Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time

That is a big call when you consider Abbotts failure.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:15am:

Julia Gillard: from Australia’s first female prime minister to international superstar. Quote: Emerging as one of the top education leaders in the world, Gillard commands global respect to such an extent that the putative next president of the United States, Hillary Clinton, included our former prime minister in campaign video released this week. People all over the world will still be valuing Julia Gillard’s work long (long!) after the next generation are trying to remember how to spell Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott’s names. [quote]The misogyny speech made Gillard internationally famous. She’s still stopped in the street, on college campuses, and in board rooms the world over by people who have watched the YouTube clip. But it would be a mistake to think her reputation globally begins and ends there. Where some former prime ministers seem to crave attention, missing the spotlight, Gillard has been doing substantive things these past few years – and without the need to broadcast it – by following her passion. The rest – the attention, the international profile – has followed.

The hate from the right is because Gillard is so much better than them.[/quote]


The mood in the street is that she was so woeful that she has probably stuffed up the chances of "articulate, competant and passionate young women" from ever being a chance at getting the leadership of the labor party for a long time.

You are seriously deluded if you think otherwise.

To have your own party bring back Kevin Rudd whom most of the labor caucus regarded as a disaster.
To be replaced by a disaster by your own colleagues must mean you are a disaster of EPIC proportions.

There is no more highly regarded award in rugby league or AFL then the players player award, voted for entirely by your peers.

Julias peers voted for a person they absolutley detested as a better option then her.

She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation.

She is an example of total ineptitude , from knifing kevin to being knifed herself.
Only a total beta female like hilary who lets other women give her husband blowjobs would be her friend.

they are two total beta females, 2 total failures.
they should join angela merkel and start their own planet , because here on planer earth, which  i call "reality", there is no place for their total failure as
world leaders.

Good grief. ;)

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:23am:

Crainial wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm: Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical. Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had. And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime. Yes, that’s true. I do believe good government was just around the corner. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. I just wish the next erection could be a referendum on stopping the boats and saving $15 a year on our electricity bills. Who knows? Maybe Mr Abbott will come back to save the day. No dear the next erection will be about expelling muslim skum from australia and stopping them coming here. Better get out while you can homo, its a jolly world , no ? Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time. Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time That is a big call when you consider Abbotts failure.

"A leading United States think tank has published a piece posing the question, "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?" and answering, quite comprehensively, in the affirmative."

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:42am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:15am: Julia Gillard: from Australia’s first female prime minister to international superstar. Quote: Emerging as one of the top education leaders in the world, Gillard commands global respect to such an extent that the putative next president of the United States, Hillary Clinton, included our former prime minister in campaign video released this week. People all over the world will still be valuing Julia Gillard’s work long (long!) after the next generation are trying to remember how to spell Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott’s names. [quote]The misogyny speech made Gillard internationally famous. She’s still stopped in the street, on college campuses, and in board rooms the world over by people who have watched the YouTube clip. But it would be a mistake to think her reputation globally begins and ends there. Where some former prime ministers seem to crave attention, missing the spotlight, Gillard has been doing substantive things these past few years – and without the need to broadcast it – by following her passion. The rest – the attention, the international profile – has followed. The hate from the right is because Gillard is so much better than them.

The mood in the street is that she was so woeful that she has probably stuffed up the chances of "articulate, competant and passionate young women" from ever being a chance at getting the leadership of the labor party for a long time.

You are seriously deluded if you think otherwise.

To have your own party bring back Kevin Rudd whom most of the labor caucus regarded as a disaster.
To be replaced by a disaster by your own colleagues must mean you are a disaster of EPIC proportions.

There is no more highly regarded award in rugby league or AFL then the players player award, voted for entirely by your peers.

Julias peers voted for a person they absolutley detested as a better option then her.

She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation.

She is an example of total ineptitude , from knifing kevin to being knifed herself.
Only a total beta female like hilary who lets other women give her husband blowjobs would be her friend.

they are two total beta females, 2 total failures.
they should join angela merkel and start their own planet , because here on planer earth, which  i call "reality", there is no place for their total failure as
world leaders.

Good grief. ;)
[/quote]

The mood in the street

All I really needed to read to work out that you were going to just make it all up as it rambled along.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:49am:

She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation.

Not even close.

That title goes to this thing:


https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/abbott-asleep.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:49am: She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation. Not even close. That title goes to this thing: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/abbott-asleep.jpg

Tony Abbott clearly finds your nonsensical drivel too boring to keep awake...

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:42am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:15am: Julia Gillard: from Australia’s first female prime minister to international superstar. Quote: Emerging as one of the top education leaders in the world, Gillard commands global respect to such an extent that the putative next president of the United States, Hillary Clinton, included our former prime minister in campaign video released this week. People all over the world will still be valuing Julia Gillard’s work long (long!) after the next generation are trying to remember how to spell Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott’s names. [quote]The misogyny speech made Gillard internationally famous. She’s still stopped in the street, on college campuses, and in board rooms the world over by people who have watched the YouTube clip. But it would be a mistake to think her reputation globally begins and ends there. Where some former prime ministers seem to crave attention, missing the spotlight, Gillard has been doing substantive things these past few years – and without the need to broadcast it – by following her passion. The rest – the attention, the international profile – has followed. The hate from the right is because Gillard is so much better than them. The mood in the street is that she was so woeful that she has probably stuffed up the chances of "articulate, competant and passionate young women" from ever being a chance at getting the leadership of the labor party for a long time. You are seriously deluded if you think otherwise. To have your own party bring back Kevin Rudd whom most of the labor caucus regarded as a disaster. To be replaced by a disaster by your own colleagues must mean you are a disaster of EPIC proportions. There is no more highly regarded award in rugby league or AFL then the players player award, voted for entirely by your peers. Julias peers voted for a person they absolutley detested as a better option then her. She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation. She is an example of total ineptitude , from knifing kevin to being knifed herself. Only a total beta female like hilary who lets other women give her husband blowjobs would be her friend. they are two total beta females, 2 total failures. they should join angela merkel and start their own planet , because here on planer earth, which  i call "reality", there is no place for their total failure as world leaders. Good grief. ;)

The mood in the street

All I really needed to read to work out that you were going to just make it all up as it rambled along.
[/quote]
The jealous hate of someone who reads silly self help books for another who has achieved on a world scale. Nothing else explains the hate but the crushing sense of inferiority.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:15am:

Julia Gillard: from Australia’s first female prime minister to international superstar. Quote: Emerging as one of the top education leaders in the world, Gillard commands global respect to such an extent that the putative next president of the United States, Hillary Clinton, included our former prime minister in campaign video released this week. People all over the world will still be valuing Julia Gillard’s work long (long!) after the next generation are trying to remember how to spell Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott’s names. [quote]The misogyny speech made Gillard internationally famous. She’s still stopped in the street, on college campuses, and in board rooms the world over by people who have watched the YouTube clip. But it would be a mistake to think her reputation globally begins and ends there. Where some former prime ministers seem to crave attention, missing the spotlight, Gillard has been doing substantive things these past few years – and without the need to broadcast it – by following her passion. The rest – the attention, the international profile – has followed.

The hate from the right is because Gillard is so much better than them.[/quote]
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. tell that to those WIDOWS whos money disappeared thanks to gillard and her crass relationship with her married lover...

I am sure they will agree with you...

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://aussiememes.com.au/media/created/Tony-Abbott-worst.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:54am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:49am: She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation. Not even close. That title goes to this thing: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/abbott-asleep.jpg Tony Abbott clearly finds your nonsensical drivel too boring to keep awake...

that was when they were announcing the libs policies ... no wonder he never knew what they were.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:54am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:49am: She left parliament possibly as the biggest failure in the history of the nation. Not even close. That title goes to this thing: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/abbott-asleep.jpg Tony Abbott clearly finds your nonsensical drivel too boring to keep awake...

;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:47am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 7:23am: Crainial wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm: Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical. Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had. And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime. Yes, that’s true. I do believe good government was just around the corner. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. I just wish the next erection could be a referendum on stopping the boats and saving $15 a year on our electricity bills. Who knows? Maybe Mr Abbott will come back to save the day. No dear the next erection will be about expelling muslim skum from australia and stopping them coming here. Better get out while you can homo, its a jolly world , no ? Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time. Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time That is a big call when you consider Abbotts failure. "A leading United States think tank has published a piece posing the question, "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?" and answering, quite comprehensively, in the affirmative."

you do recall they elected geo bush twice and now look like they could elect Trump..  ::) ::) ::) ::)

but it beats facebook I guess.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 7:23am:

Crainial wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 11:11pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:50pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:45pm: Its time wrote on Oct 22nd, 2015 at 8:37pm: The good old days when an intelligent articulate leader in gillard passed record numbers of legislation , then we had a scare campaign and saved 15 bucks thats right 15 bucks a year when Abort abolished the CT and then managed to pass about 15 pieces of legislation , in 2 years , oh my what a failure . Thank heavens the grown-ups were back in charge. Oh, for the days, eh? We’ll never have a man like Mr Abbott back. Never. I blame the leftards. Typical. Yes we will all fondly remember the fire trucks and the red budgies, I think we would all agree that Mr Abbott was the most colourful PM we have ever had. And he was getting ready to introduce good government at any time when he was cut down in his prime. Yes, that’s true. I do believe good government was just around the corner. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. I just wish the next erection could be a referendum on stopping the boats and saving $15 a year on our electricity bills. Who knows? Maybe Mr Abbott will come back to save the day. No dear the next erection will be about expelling muslim skum from australia and stopping them coming here. Better get out while you can homo, its a jolly world , no ? Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time. Julie Gillard was Australia's worst PM of all time That is a big call when you consider Abbotts failure.

Abbott won't be remembered as a particularly successful PM, rather as a very successful Opposition Leader. Some of his decisions defy common sense (a Knighthood for Prince Philip???) and while he was never particularly popular as PM, I do firmly believe he had the best interests of the country at heart. he just went about fixing Labor's legacy of debt and deficit the wrong way - too harshly, some might say. Having said that, Gillard was an abject failure from day one of her Prime Ministership. Her insistence that she was victimised because she was a woman did nothing to help the cause of women in high profile positions other than to set them back decades. I doubt we'll see another female PM for at least 20 years, thanks to Gillard. She might've been hounded by the press, but that was only because of the consistency with which she produced truly appalling policy. Simply putting all of her troubles down to the fact she wore a skirt is simply ludicrous and smacks of desperation from a person who was never fit for the top job.

http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/999422_212985955525726_221229554_n.jpg

One of the things which could see Malcolm establish a real dynasty is that he follows the 2 worst PM's of all time.

If he can keep his emotions under control.
If he can keep that sneaky cunning street smart brain of his ticking over
He could easily rule for 3 terms.
People wont want to risk more Gillard, Rudd, Abbott types , who were fairly dysfunctional.

Looking good for the conservatives !!!!
thank you to the last 3 failures.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:04am:

One of the things which could see Malcolm establish a real dynasty is that he follows the 2 worst PM's of all time. If he can keep his emotions under control. If he can keep that sneaky cunning street smart brain of his ticking over He could easily rule for 3 terms. People wont want to risk more Gillard, Rudd, Abbott types , who were fairly dysfunctional. Looking good for the conservatives !!!! thank you to the last 3 failures.

In terms of ranking failures, Abbott isn't nearly as bad a failure as Rudd or Gillard. they will hold top place for generations to come. I reckon that if Abbott had taken over with a budget in good condition, he'd have been able to implement the policies he truly wanted to and he'd have been a two or three term PM.

http://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2015/04/09/464599504-619-386.jpg

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:08am:

In terms of ranking failures, Abbott isn't nearly as bad a failure as Rudd or Gillard. they will hold top place for generations to come. I reckon that if Abbott had taken over with a budget in good condition, he'd have been able to implement the policies he truly wanted to and he'd have been a two or three term PM.

how truly deluded must one be to make up a comment like this? I hope they don't let you administer drugs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juGT7aNUnY

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:08am: In terms of ranking failures, Abbott isn't nearly as bad a failure as Rudd or Gillard. they will hold top place for generations to come. I reckon that if Abbott had taken over with a budget in good condition, he'd have been able to implement the policies he truly wanted to and he'd have been a two or three term PM. how truly deluded must one be to make up a comment like this? I hope they don't let you administer drugs

Christ! Rudd had to cope with a GFC! And did that spectacularly well. So abbott had to have everything nice to be a good PM? How deluded are the RWNJs here?

Even if abbott had inherited a Budget surplus instead of the Howard/Costello structural Budget deficit he would have failed anyway. No policies! Wanted a fight above anything else! FMD!

Yet again, the conservatives have outfoxed the lefties.

People are very sensitive to a change in their "emotional state"

Abbott caused very negative emotions. he was a negative neurotic man.

BUT Malcolm is positive, confident and has an aura around  him.

This will be MULTIPLIED by the fact that he follows a "bad experience" for the electorate.

They will gravitate to Malcolms positve chi energy ,

Shorten is a negative neurotic as well.

So, by following abbott, the liberals master stroke should see them stay in power for a decade.

Even in his own personal defeat, Abbott has ensured the dynasty will rule and possibly for a much longer period of time.

Lefties have no idea how to play to an electorate that wants confident , alpha male leadership. ;) ;) ;)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4b/55/c1/4b55c1ff682f9e0e7dbaefc16aab4a71.jpg

At the end of the day Julia will be very well remembered and Tony won't.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:03am:

Yet again, the conservatives have outfoxed the lefties. People are very sensitive to a change in their "emotional state" Abbott caused very negative emotions. he was a negative neurotic man. BUT Malcolm is positive, confident and has an aura around  him. This will be MULTIPLIED by the fact that he follows a "bad experience" for the electorate. They will gravitate to Malcolms positve chi energy , Shorten is a negative neurotic as well. So, by following abbott, the liberals master stroke should see them stay in power for a decade. Even in his own personal defeat, Abbott has ensured the dynasty will rule and possibly for a much longer period of time. Lefties have no idea how to play to an electorate that wants confident , alpha male leadership. ;) ;) ;)

alpha male leadership

Next you will claim that Hissy fits the bill.

You surely don't think of Mal as being an alpha type ?

The best of the Libs only barely scrape past the hetro test and Mal isn't one of the best.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:35am:

At the end of the day Julia will be very well remembered and Tony won't.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Bring back Julia.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:03am:

Yet again, the conservatives have outfoxed the lefties. People are very sensitive to a change in their "emotional state" Abbott caused very negative emotions. he was a negative neurotic man. BUT Malcolm is positive, confident and has an aura around  him. This will be MULTIPLIED by the fact that he follows a "bad experience" for the electorate. They will gravitate to Malcolms positve chi energy , Shorten is a negative neurotic as well. So, by following abbott, the liberals master stroke should see them stay in power for a decade. Even in his own personal defeat, Abbott has ensured the dynasty will rule and possibly for a much longer period of time. Lefties have no idea how to play to an electorate that wants confident , alpha male leadership. ;) ;) ;)

Hence the doom and gloom out in the real world! You truly are a more on, Scoot, truly!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:04am: One of the things which could see Malcolm establish a real dynasty is that he follows the 2 worst PM's of all time. If he can keep his emotions under control. If he can keep that sneaky cunning street smart brain of his ticking over He could easily rule for 3 terms. People wont want to risk more Gillard, Rudd, Abbott types , who were fairly dysfunctional. Looking good for the conservatives !!!! thank you to the last 3 failures. In terms of ranking failures, Abbott isn't nearly as bad a failure as Rudd or Gillard. they will hold top place for generations to come. I reckon that if Abbott had taken over with a budget in good condition, he'd have been able to implement the policies he truly wanted to and he'd have been a two or three term PM.

Are you still checking to see if your Aunt has testicles ?

Had Rudd not faced the GFC he may have been a 3 term PM as well, who knows but the evidence strongly suggests that you are incorrect.

Abbott had been in power during improving times and went quickly backward because of his own failures.

Mal has had an easy ride in life. Inherited money. Married money. Acts like he wants to be a lefty, bound by far right extremism. He comes against something difficult he will collapse. His sugar rush is 50:50, to peter out as people realise that his policies are not his own and are wrong for the times, for the country.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am:

Mal has had an easy ride in life. Inherited money. Married money. Acts like he wants to be a lefty, bound by far right extremism. He comes against something difficult he will collapse. His sugar rush is 50:50, to peter out as people realise that his policies are not his own and are wrong for the times, for the country.

who left him money????

I think your confused it was krudd who married money..

tsk tsk monk watch those pills...

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:35am: At the end of the day Julia will be very well remembered and Tony won't. Without a shadow of a doubt. Bring back Julia.

idolatry.. ;D ;D they always have feet of clay....

you will have to climb over your man shortarse to get julia back....how do you think that will go... ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:43am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:35am: At the end of the day Julia will be very well remembered and Tony won't. Without a shadow of a doubt. Bring back Julia. idolatry.. ;D ;D they always have feet of clay.... you will have to climb over your man shortarse to get julia back....how do you think that will go... ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's not my man.

I want Julia back.

Putting Shorten in as leader was a huge mistake.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 8:11am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juGT7aNUnY

Well said.

Its time wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juGT7aNUnY Well said.

Yeah, it's a good video.

Shot at my local markets (when I'm in Tassie).

They say it like it is down there.

0.33 says it best.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:08am: aquascoot wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:04am: One of the things which could see Malcolm establish a real dynasty is that he follows the 2 worst PM's of all time. If he can keep his emotions under control. If he can keep that sneaky cunning street smart brain of his ticking over He could easily rule for 3 terms. People wont want to risk more Gillard, Rudd, Abbott types , who were fairly dysfunctional. Looking good for the conservatives !!!! thank you to the last 3 failures. In terms of ranking failures, Abbott isn't nearly as bad a failure as Rudd or Gillard. they will hold top place for generations to come. I reckon that if Abbott had taken over with a budget in good condition, he'd have been able to implement the policies he truly wanted to and he'd have been a two or three term PM. Are you still checking to see if your Aunt has testicles ? Had Rudd not faced the GFC he may have been a 3 term PM as well, who knows but the evidence strongly suggests that you are incorrect. Abbott had been in power during improving times and went quickly backward because of his own failures.

I very much doubt that - very much. Why? He was too much of an egomaniac. Even before his slide down the polls, the hinged door to the Prime Minister's suite at parliament house had been replaced with a revolving one. He just wasn't a people person and sucked at teamwork.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:08am: aquascoot wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:04am: One of the things which could see Malcolm establish a real dynasty is that he follows the 2 worst PM's of all time. If he can keep his emotions under control. If he can keep that sneaky cunning street smart brain of his ticking over He could easily rule for 3 terms. People wont want to risk more Gillard, Rudd, Abbott types , who were fairly dysfunctional. Looking good for the conservatives !!!! thank you to the last 3 failures. In terms of ranking failures, Abbott isn't nearly as bad a failure as Rudd or Gillard. they will hold top place for generations to come. I reckon that if Abbott had taken over with a budget in good condition, he'd have been able to implement the policies he truly wanted to and he'd have been a two or three term PM. Are you still checking to see if your Aunt has testicles ? Had Rudd not faced the GFC he may have been a 3 term PM as well, who knows but the evidence strongly suggests that you are incorrect. Abbott had been in power during improving times and went quickly backward because of his own failures. I very much doubt that - very much. Why? He was too much of an egomaniac. Even before his slide down the polls, the hinged door to the Prime Minister's suite at parliament house had been replaced with a revolving one. He just wasn't a people person and sucked at teamwork.

not to mention the Unions hated him...

very early on he signalled that he wasn't going to be a Union Mouthpiece ...

and from there the plotting started...

there was no need to piss cash down the drain during the minor GFC... china's growth rate was still booming and in any case...

when things get tight... you don't spend money like a drunken sailor... sending out cheques to dead people and filthy kiwi's living in NZ for forks sakes...  ::)

and the 60c feed in tariff when the selling rate was approx. 25c.. what???  :D

I could go on but i'd be here all day..

cods wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:03am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:55am: Mal has had an easy ride in life. Inherited money. Married money. Acts like he wants to be a lefty, bound by far right extremism. He comes against something difficult he will collapse. His sugar rush is 50:50, to peter out as people realise that his policies are not his own and are wrong for the times, for the country. who left him money???? I think your confused it was krudd who married money.. tsk tsk monk watch those pills...

Mal Fraser?  Cam from the Victorian landed gentry... silver spoon country....

Rudd married a woman with inside knowledge of the impending government coffers opening for childcare.... you don't imagine she simply hit upon a good line of profit from childcare, do you?  Both 'sides' of politics spread the largess of pending government funding around their mates.... just a little business venture that happens to fall their way.....

Its time wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 8:11am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juGT7aNUnY Well said.

'tony who?'  ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 10:03am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:55am: Mal has had an easy ride in life. Inherited money. Married money. Acts like he wants to be a lefty, bound by far right extremism. He comes against something difficult he will collapse. His sugar rush is 50:50, to peter out as people realise that his policies are not his own and are wrong for the times, for the country. who left him money???? I think your confused it was krudd who married money.. tsk tsk monk watch those pills...

No cods

Mal’s father left him a substantial property portfolio. Lucy brought a lot of family money into the marriage.

Rudd’s wife wasn’t rich when he married her. She got rich by her own efforts (“nouveau riche parvenu” you can hear Libs who never did a thing sneer) but that was after she married Rudd. Rudd also got rich by his own efforts.

This is all easily found from the public record, cods! Try doing a bit of reading before posting absolute crap, eh?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

cods wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:03am: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:55am: Mal has had an easy ride in life. Inherited money. Married money. Acts like he wants to be a lefty, bound by far right extremism. He comes against something difficult he will collapse. His sugar rush is 50:50, to peter out as people realise that his policies are not his own and are wrong for the times, for the country. who left him money???? I think your confused it was krudd who married money.. tsk tsk monk watch those pills... Mal Fraser?  Cam from the Victorian landed gentry... silver spoon country.... Rudd married a woman with inside knowledge of the impending government coffers opening for childcare.... you don't imagine she simply hit upon a good line of profit from childcare, do you?  Both 'sides' of politics spread the largess of pending government funding around their mates.... just a little business venture that happens to fall their way.....

It wasn’t child care that she made her money from! Doesn’t anybody here check before rushing to post? Geez!