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Title: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Sir Crook on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 9:39am

Yass cafes back penalty rates
By ALIX DOUGLAS
Oct. 23, 2015.
Yass Tribune

Local cafe owners are not in favour of cutting weekend penalty rates amid building momentum in the Coalition for industrial relations reforms.

Member for Hume Angus Taylor is among a number of Liberal MPs to recently advocate for reduced weekend penalty rates in sectors such as hospitality, retail and tourism to drive business growth and stimulate employment. :(

Mr Taylor told Fairfax media that high penalty rates were stopping country cafes opening on weekends.

“If you walk around on a Sunday or a public holiday many of the cafes are closed,” he said.

“I have spoken to the owners and they say, ‘look we’d love to open, but it’s just not economical’. Many of these are family-owned businesses so, if they’re going to be open on a Sunday, they’ll use family members themselves rather than employ people, because of the high weekend penalty rates."

New owners of Galutzi cafe, Pete and Belle Green, are happy to pay their staff extra on weekends.

"We are not against penalty rates," Mr Green said.

"The girls deserve to be remunerated for giving up their weekends to work. They earn every cent and we are happy to pay it."

Galutzi does not trade on Sundays but Mrs Green said that was due more to a "lifestyle" choice than higher wages.

Thyme to Taste owner Andrew Dodds does open most Sundays and has done since he started the local deli/cafe.

He said he was also in full support of paying staff penalty rates and the added cost did not influence his trading hours. :)

"It does not make a difference, we have always opened on weekends and it is just something we factor into our business model.

"Staff should be awarded penalty rates for giving up their weekends." :)

Mr Taylor has, however, said he is most concerned about the people who are unemployed and underemployed.

“And the real problem we have with the way the union movement thinks about this, and the Fair Work Commission, is they seem much more worried about the conditions of those who are already in work and have very little concern for the people who either aren’t in work or are underemployed.

“We can’t afford to have wages that are at levels that are just not going to work - and that’s the situation we’ve got with weekend penalty rates.”

The Hume MP added there would be no impact on emergency services workers if penalty rates were cut.

The issue of industrial relations reforms was briefly raised in Question Time in Federal Parliament last week, with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull giving his clearest signal yet that changes could be on the table at the next election.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Kat on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 9:56am

Taylor is my local member, and has, predictably, proven to be utterly useless.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by stunspore on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 10:11am

Why doesn't the liberal government make real jobs rather than getting workers to subsidise via lower pay? What's the problem with asking family members to work on the weekends? That way the business gets to save on more wages. Clearly some people think its ok for workers to work for less on the weekends but not for family members - oh wait, their weekends are more valuable than others.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Johnsmith on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by cods on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:34am

times they are a changing... not everyone shares Sat and Sunday as their weekend.. some prefer Monday Tuesday...its their choice....we are fast approaching a 24/7 constant working time zone...airports are moving into the future...if we want to keep up with the rest of the world then we will have to do the same...

funny how the left screamed when it was suggested they pay to go to triage ... yet they dont mind using the place at weekends when the staff all need and get penalty rates... ::) ::) ::).. so many double standards

if I go to a restaurant or coffee shop at the weekend they can at least put on a surcharge or even increase their prices...to cover the extra... but that FREE hospital dont even think of asking for anything to help cover their high costs... ::) ::) ::)

weird ..

how about we close the hospitals down at weekends save even more money?.. just a thought.

public transport is another great waste of money...

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Johnsmith on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:38am

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

times they are a changing... not everyone shares Sat and Sunday as their weekend.

when parliament opens saturday and sunday then we can talk about scrapping penalty rates. ... we don't punish the majority just becasue 'some' prefer Monday and tuesdays off.

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

funny how the left screamed when it was suggested they pay to go to triage ... yet they dont mind using the place at weekends when the staff all need and get penalty rates... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.. so many double standards

where is the double standard? :D :D :D no one should pay to go to emergency rooms, no matter what day of the week

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

how about we close the hospitals down at weekends save even more money?.. just a thought.

I've figured it out, you've been drinking again haven't you?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Swagman on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Dnarever on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

Quote:

The Hume MP added there would be no impact on emergency services workers if penalty rates were cut

Just about tells the hypocrisy of it. What's the difference.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Dnarever on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:03pm

Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates

Most honest employers do.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Dnarever on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:05pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

The expected normal and fair Australian working conditions and payments are not controlled by some union clown. But removing it seems to be the province of some miserable conservative politicians and a group of selfish business clowns.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Bam on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:06pm

stunspore wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Why doesn't the liberal government make real jobs rather than getting workers to subsidise via lower pay?

The Liberal government aren't interested in creating jobs because their corporate masters are best served by a high unemployment rate and subdued wages growth. The Liberals prefer job-destroying actions like sacking tens of thousands of people, destroying the local manufacturing industry, retaining a long working week, expanding Work for the Dole and a very lax attitude towards the rules for 457 visas.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Johnsmith on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:07pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

and what about the workers choice?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Swagman on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

and what about the workers choice?

They choose where they want to work.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:38pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Penalty rates aren't enforced by unions.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Swagman on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Penalty rates aren't enforced by unions.

....looks like your wasting your membership tax then Pecker :D

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Penalty rates aren't enforced by unions.

....looks like your wasting your membership tax then Pecker :D

You have absolutely no idea what unions do, do you?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Kat on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Penalty rates aren't enforced by unions.

....looks like your wasting your membership tax then Pecker :D

You have absolutely no idea what unions do, do you?

In common with most others who knock unions.

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Johnsmith on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:02pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

and what about the workers choice?

They choose where they want to work.

you've been smoking drugs again haven't you? there is no 'choice' ... employers demand they get their way or you get sacked, where is the choice?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Swagman on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:26pm

Kat wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Penalty rates aren't enforced by unions.

....looks like your wasting your membership tax then Pecker :D

You have absolutely no idea what unions do, do you?

In common with most others who knock unions.

....hmm kinda like yourself and others that knock business, enterprise, competition and free markets perhaps....

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

employers demand they get their way or you get sacked, where is the choice?

Plenty of choice.

You can choose whether to be an employer or not or you can choose which employer to work for, choose to work hard, choose to gain extra skills, or you can choose to be lazy......

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Johnsmith on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Kat wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

swag will be devastated to hear honest cafe owners tell it like it is.

Good on him, if he's happy to give his money away, that should be his choice and not some union clown.

Penalty rates aren't enforced by unions.

....looks like your wasting your membership tax then Pecker :D

You have absolutely no idea what unions do, do you?

In common with most others who knock unions.

....hmm kinda like yourself and others that knock business, enterprise, competition and free markets perhaps....

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

employers demand they get their way or you get sacked, where is the choice?

Plenty of choice.

You can choose whether to be an employer or not or you can choose which employer to work for, choose to work hard, choose to gain extra skills, or you can choose to be lazy......

that's the best you've got?

employers can choose to open on Sunday, they can choose to pay penalty rates, they can choose to use their families to work weekends ... or they can choose to cry like you do :D :D

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 5:31pm

Hmmm it could be:

Stanley Bruce
John Useless Howard
Malcolm Turnbull

Three Lib PMs who fiddled with IR and lost power and their seats at the next general election?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Swagman on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

employers can choose to open on Sunday, they can choose to pay penalty rates,

...ah no Jonathon, wakey wakey hand off snakey, that is the crux of the issue. They are obliged to pay penalty rates......

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by John Smith on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 7:39pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

employers can choose to open on Sunday, they can choose to pay penalty rates,

...ah no Jonathon, wakey wakey hand off snakey, that is the crux of the issue. They are obliged to pay penalty rates......

yeah ... just like most people can choose which employer to work for or whether to own their own business
:D :D :D

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Dnarever on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

employers can choose to open on Sunday, they can choose to pay penalty rates,

...ah no Jonathon, wakey wakey hand off snakey, that is the crux of the issue. They are obliged to pay penalty rates......

And normal rates, a minimum wage, holiday leave, overtime. They also provide lunch breaks and equipment required to do the work etc.

Maybe they could cut all that out and offer a bowl of rice for a days work?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by stunspore on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

employers can choose to open on Sunday, they can choose to pay penalty rates,

...ah no Jonathon, wakey wakey hand off snakey, that is the crux of the issue. They are obliged to pay penalty rates......

Sounds like Chinatown!

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by Wolseley on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 10:03pm

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

public transport is another great waste of money...

Are you suggesting that we should close all public transport down on weekends?

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by The Grappler on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 10:04pm

Wolseley wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

cods wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

public transport is another great waste of money...

Are you suggesting that we should close all public transport down on weekends?

This gif has proven useful.......

Title: Re: Yass Cafes Back Penalty Rates
Post by The Grappler on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 10:06pm

stunspore wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

employers can choose to open on Sunday, they can choose to pay penalty rates,

...ah no Jonathon, wakey wakey hand off snakey, that is the crux of the issue. They are obliged to pay penalty rates......

Sounds like Chinatown!

Coupla rusty containers, lick of paint, hook up a power cable, throw in some straw and a bag of rice once a week and Fu's yer uncle!