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............A friend of mine runs a fleet of trucks and 4wds out of Cobar.  His accountant does the figures and it costs them less to run the v6petrol models than the diesels and they do HUGE k's..............

http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=3175.msg46984#msg46984

the prados I am looking at V6's are $20K, the equivalent diesel is $30K

Haven't we done this before?

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...............o problems buying at those klms mate, 1 of the only vehicles I would though, purchased mine 14mths ago with spot on 200k on it, 1 owner car, full logs, no offroad, just had a big service with all fluids (diff, trans, etc) + a new radiator, battery and air conditioner compressor, paid $16k for it, Ive run up 30k between now and then, towing a van from QLD to sydney, through blue mnts etc, been up a tonne of beaches and a fair bit of offroad, runs like a dream, uses no oil, no coolant and I have no doubt she'll go 500+, some bloke on here uses hiluxes for work with the 1gr-fe and has a few above 500k with 1 above 800k with minimal work, The motors are rock solid, and an accountant blindfolded could do a basic service on them. Seen a few lately around the 180k to 200k mark for $16 grand, At that price it's good buying. .........

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?17660-Engine-Life-of-4-0-V6

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...............My 2007 120 GX with 1GRFE has 245,000k and going strong with no noises or oil consumption but at my work we run some Hilux's with the same 1GRFE and I have sold two with untouched engines using no oil between services one at 713,656km and another at 620,000km. This week we performed a 700,000k service on another and we will see if we can run it to 1,000,000k mark Now that will be pretty good for a petrol engine. My work Hilux has only 333,000k ATM After having been around these engines I had no problem purchasing mine with 220,000k Biggest thing with any of these is regular servicing! Cheers Rick ...........

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?17660-Engine-Life-of-4-0-V6/page2&s=c6d9c909c10cdd710383364c7516941a

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...................GRFE V6 in one of our work Hilux's (2008 model) is about to have it 800,000k service, engine wise untouched- never had a rocker cover lifted and still running original radiator hoses - regular servicing and they just keep going, I firmly believe Toyota engines especially love fresh oil. Oh by the way this still uses no oil between services. Xmas time drove my GX 120 V6 to Sydney and filled up down there for the return trip - it took 108 litres for 895 km so 12.1 l per 100k. @$1.06 per litre (With discount) and the return trip came back at 11.9 l per 100k ........

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?17660-Engine-Life-of-4-0-V6/page3

toyota certainly knows how to make them!

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Patrol, Prado, Pajero so get in them all and drive them. I am biased as I own a Diesel D4D Prado. :)  But I was looking at GU patrols at the time. I was looking for a long distance tourer and like you do 80/20 on road/off road. These things did it for me in my price range: You will get most places you want to off road in all of those in stock form. The GU has a 4 speed Auto, the Prados I was looking at were all 5 speed. The 90 and 120 series Prado have 180 litre fuel tanks - The diesel guys can get close to 1500km on a tank when not towing. The Patrols are tough as nails, but driving the Patrol is like driving a truck. The live axles are great for off road, but driving long distance in a Patrol vs a Prado is chalk and cheese. Prado's win for comfort in my eyes. We've got 3 kids and the rear middle seat in the Patrol felt uncomfortable. Pajero was discounted early to me because we wanted an 8 seater (And I've never known a Mitsi that didn't leak oil. Irrational I know but it was enough) BUT they are underrated off road vehicles. Ground clearance can be a bit low though and I wouldn't be mounting a second battery in the engine bay, but they're not bad trucks. So that leaves Petrol vs Diesel Prado - The V6 Prado is a hoot to drive and the engine is pretty near indestructible but fuel consumption if you tow and do a lot of low range is up around the mid 20's. But if you own a diesel factor in changing the injectors when they wear out, higher servicing costs, and higher purchase price and you probably come out evens. Pre-D4D diesel is a great unit, some feel it is underpowered but plenty use it to tow.  The early D4D diesel's had a problem with their injector seals/seats causing blow by - can make the engine go boom! This should now be fixed as there is a recall out to get them done but if you hear a knocking from the engine when inspecting, walk away (I've heard the same noise from Diesel Pajero's too btw). 2008 onwards should be ok as they changed the design but might be out your price range.  You'll need to swap out injectors on any diesel truck eventually as they're a consumable but the Injector swap on a D4D Toyota is around $1500-$2000. Much less for a non D4D (1KZ-TE). The early GU 1-3 diesels also had an issue - google Nissan Grenade. Most people I spoke to recommend buying an '06 GU IV and above to avoid it. Downside of driving a Prado - paying the Toyota Tax for parts and servicing.

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John Smith wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

toyota certainly knows how to make them!

yes, very well engineered cars.
I think they make better petrol engines than diesel ones.

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I have a D4D and I can say with all honesty that it gets between 9.3 and 10.1 around town and 9.5 on a long drive (if you keep it below 110km/h) once you go over 110km/h it creeps up to around 12..... IT loves sitting on 115km/h though and is only ticking over at 2200rpm and is nearly silent in the car, IMO it is worth the extra 2L/100k to see the world zipping past that little bit quicker on some of our l-o-n-g country roads :D X The country figure is quoted towing a quad trailer loaded up with a couple of quads (bout 700kg all up), as we like to get away quite often... the figures ARE reliable !!

http://4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55593

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V8 100 Series Petrol Landcruiser 5 speed auto 18-20l/100 around town/highway 20-21l/100km towing SF565 Southwind 21-23l/100 towing SF565 Southwind to Waddy in sand. Old truck 80 Series diesel 1HZ(non turbo) same boat, same trips, 5 speed manual 14-15l/100km town/highway 19-20l/100km towing SF565 Southwind 23-25l/100km towing SF565 Southwind to Waddy in sand. One trip had to swap off the sub tank (45l) from barge at Rainbow before we got to Orchid (110Km) - with a bit left in the tank I reckon that was about 35l/100km, but it was stinky soft and powdery and we got stuck at Indian and Middle Rocks. Just planning now to go into a Petrol V8 200 series - heaps on the 2nd hand market now with the value washed off them/low km etc. Never go back to another diesel (maybe a 200 series turbo V8) or a manual again. Gotta love that V8 towing on the highway and the sand especially and for better than the old diesel could ever do. Cheers

http://www.ausfish.com.au/vforum/archive/index.php/t-176810.html?s=62213fc97111211d1ed702386d697981

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Hi there.  We drive a Holden Rodeo 3ltr turbo diesel manual.  Towing our 17ft pop top Jaco Freedom I average  14.5 ltrs per 100 ks.  This works out to 7ks per ltr.  Just the vehicle alone runs 9.5 to 10litres per 100 ks.  Total weight of the van loaded is about 1600kg (I dont carry full water tanks unless going well bush).   A good head wind will make a mockery of the above calculations however. Ian     jandas fun said     07:50 PM Dec 28, 2009 Hi lance and Vi. welcome to the forum. We have a 1999 Prado 3400 petrol auto towing a 16ft coromal pop top. gvm 1350. Average over the last couple of years is 16litres per 100k at average speed of 90klms. and 18litres per 100k at 100klms an hour. Usually flick out of o/drive when approaching decent hills, go by feel. Johnw

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We have a 1998 Mitsubishi Triton 3 litre petrol manual. The Other Half is fanatical about recording our k's. On the last trip we averaged 13-16/100klms. That was across the Savannah Way, Gibb River Road and the Tanami plus sealed roads to Darwin etc. We always use 98 or the highest grade fuel we can on the road. We tow a Jayco Hawke Outback. He just gave me his calculations in all conditions from Oct '06 till now, 35,200 klms, we averaged 14.64/100klms. We are thinking of going to diesel next vehicle which is next year and a bigger van so who knows. The old Triton comes up ok with all the diesels by the looks.� smile

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I have a 99 Prado petrol and do 15-16L per 100k at average 8okph 16-18L per 100k at average 90kph 18-20L per 100k at average 95/100kph towing a 16ft coromal pop top lowline. about 1350k g.v.m if it costs me a few dollars more to drive a bit faster, then i can camp up an extra day to recoup. at the end of the day i feel its a matter of being happy and comfortable with what you have. Johnw

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08-09 Pathfinder Diesel, around town about 11/100 with 16 ft van single axle 13/100 at 90- 100 KPH between Port Macquarie to Mosman NQld and return

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We tow a 3t van - goes good - 15 l/100 km     The Bear said     09:00 AM Sep 16, 2015 I have a 2 wheel drive D max tray back towing 2 ton van loaded 12l per 100kms my only problem it likes to go faster than I think it should !!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear     Delta18 said     09:25 AM Sep 16, 2015 Our MY15 D-Max tows out 3t van well. �I would never be so stupid to say "I never know it's there" as some I have heard but it does do the job admirably considering the lower torque & power output compared to some other dual cab utes. I think this is because it's power is available over a wider rev range. �I know it gets away from a standstill better than our previous, higher specc'd Triton. �It is also more economical and I expect the motor to outlast any of the 'neck wrung' competitors. Cheers Neil     Izabarack said     12:38 PM Sep 16, 2015 Love mine. I tow up to 2.2. 11.9 to 13.9 (into a headwind). Has all the power I will ever need. Iza

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'day Brett. Not sure what model you are referring to. I have an 04 V6 GXL with the 5 speed auto. It is rated to tow 2.5 tonne. My van weighs almost 2.6 tonne fully loaded which is slightly above max. I had a two week run from NSW to SA and return before Xmas and it averaged 22 L/100k towing in 4th gear. Took it easy and tried to stick to the speed limits but did creep up to 105KPH a couple of times. A few of the big hills had it working a bit ( 3rd gear/4000rpm) but no shortage of power and a very comfortable travelling vehicle. Also a nice town car as well..... ........ am talking about 120 series V6 petrols here. 2500kg is the max towing capacity. 250kg ball weight. If you want to use a WHD (and you probably do, towing at the max capacity) you should probably go for a Hayman Reece tow bar. The Toyota ones can fail when used with WHD. Someone towing a 2.25t boat reported getting 24l/100km. Others report figures around 17-18l/100km depending. Another with a tandem jayco at 2100kgs reported 20l/100km It will depend a lot on the how high the van is, wind, and speed. Apparently going at 90-95 makes a big difference compared with 100+........ ..............I have an 04 V6 GXL with the 5 speed auto. It is rated to tow 2.5 tonne. My van weighs almost 2.6 tonne fully loaded which is slightly above max. I had a two week run from NSW to SA and return before Xmas and it averaged 22 L/100k towing in 4th gear. Took it easy and tried to stick to the speed limits but did creep up to 105KPH a couple of times. A few of the big hills had it working a bit ( 3rd gear/4000rpm) but no shortage of power and a very comfortable travelling vehicle. Also a nice town car as well.

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/83826/Petrol_Prado_Fuel_consumption.aspx

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............We tow our 2900kg 22' Traveller with a Navara 3.0L V6td and just for comparison our last trip of 12,000km averaged 12.5L/100km. the V6 has loads of power and torque even when towing and I have never yet had to floor it to get the power I need. We find it very comfortable to travel in and to us that was a major choice factor..........

http://www.thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t56961585/45lt-petrol-land-cruiser-fuel-consumption/

what are you towing?

My Rodeo got 12lts per 100 while towing our 13' poptop and 14lts/100 when towing our 17' full caravan..

while in the outback.. it was higher due to the sheet fuel and at times heavy head winds...

if I can I never use "shell" diesel.. I lose fuel eco..

Caltex, BP and Mobil are always good..

I buy a car to do a job and in our case a dual cab suits us really well...

the company Rodeo I had never had one problem up over 200K

but now I own my own, picked up at auction... I've experienced a couple of problems that I've read about..

one... whistling noise front end... fixed by a spray of lube in the inner washer of the front disc..

power loss at times.. its like you have no throttle after deceleration.. ( Holden Rodeo Power Loss )

Problem.... EGR valve getting stuck open by carbon buildup putting exhaust gas back into inlet manifold and choking it...

Cause?

cheap crap Oil...  >:(

if you buy a modern day Diesel put some bloody decent Oil in it... Full Synthetic if you can..

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........... I think there is something wrong here! But maybe my understanding of diesels is wrong :) Comparing only the no load to caravan towing consumptions. The petrol used 78% more fuel which is about or even less than I expected. The LPG used 76% more fuel but the diesel used 107% more fuel. Is this correct? 2 △ ▽ Pete Dwight •a year ago What a great reveal on fuel choices. Unfortunately my diesel Pajero uses more than double when the Jayco van is hooked up so I'm stuck with that. Can I just say how great the filming was on that clip. Must have been a truly professional videographer..................

http://www.caravanworld.com.au/features/1406/tow-fuel-test/

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

what are you towing? My Rodeo got 12lts per 100 while towing our 13' poptop and 14lts/100 when towing our 17' full caravan.. while in the outback.. it was higher due to the sheet fuel and at times heavy head winds... if I can I never use "shell" diesel.. I lose fuel eco.. Caltex, BP and Mobil are always good.. I buy a car to do a job and in our case a dual cab suits us really well... the company Rodeo I had never had one problem up over 200K but now I own my own, picked up at auction... I've experienced a couple of problems that I've read about.. one... whistling noise front end... fixed by a spray of lube in the inner washer of the front disc.. power loss at times.. its like you have no throttle after deceleration.. ( Holden Rodeo Power Loss ) Problem.... EGR valve getting stuck open by carbon buildup putting exhaust gas back into inlet manifold and choking it... Cause? cheap crap Oil...  >:( if you buy a modern day Diesel put some bloody decent Oil in it... Full Synthetic if you can..

Hi Mechanic,

I am doing some research on it all.
Toying with the idea of a caravan.

Did those rodeos have the isuzu motor in them?
Very good unit apparently.