link

They should bring in laws.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

link They should bring in laws.

What laws do you suggest Herbie?

Child murderers should be hanged.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

Child murderers should be hanged.

Not going to bring the kid back is it?

Herbert, your stereotyping is a marvel in  itself.  All I know is what is reported in that Article.  I see no 'trend.'  I do see what is probably a very disturbed Mother who had a history of failures with her child before the 'boyfriend' came along ~ and why any bloke would get involved with her is amazing in itself.

At some more relevant point (if this Thread gets legs) I'll relate (again) the real events of a real, bizarre and unique Trial in which I successfully defended a bloke in what looks like pretty similar circumstances, other than the age of the poor kid who was killed.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie?

The Death Penalty for child murders.

But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers'
may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age.

'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry?

'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.

Most boyfriends of single mother's do not go on to endanger the children Herbie. Why deny people the chance to be happy?

Your obviously warped views on single mother's is poisoning your reason.

I feel a Greggory coming on. ::)

Education is the key. 

Not book Larnin, but mothers actually giving parental advice to their daughters, instead of being their "friend" and turning them loose to "follow their heart".

I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, but that would require they actually have access to their sons. 

Cranial wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

I feel a Greggory coming on. ::)

No, its Wednesday, he's having his electric shock therapy today.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it?

Then why give him any punishment at all?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.

Your post reeks of arrogance and ignorance.

Cranial wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

I feel a Greggory coming on. ::)

;D ;D ;D

Should I blow my dog whistle?

Yes?

Okay - but just this once ....


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr96/Herbert_04/dog%20whistle.png

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it? Then why give him any punishment at all?

Of course he deserves punishment. He just doesn't deserve to die is all.

There is no reason for it other than vengeance and that will not bring the kid back.

Lock him up for the rest of his life.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:28pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it? Then why give him any punishment at all? Of course he deserves punishment. He just doesn't deserve to die is all. There is no reason for it other than vengeance and that will not bring the kid back. Lock him up for the rest of his life.

Hang em

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:28pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it? Then why give him any punishment at all? Of course he deserves punishment. He just doesn't deserve to die is all. There is no reason for it other than vengeance and that will not bring the kid back. Lock him up for the rest of his life.

I don't agree with a death penalty only because it is impossible to correct or compensate a mistake. 

Having said that, why isn't vengeance allowed to be included in the responses to crime?  I would suggest they would punishment, for that you can read vengeance, deterrence, and rehabilitation. 

Being locked up for life is pretty vengeful. 

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:40pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:28pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it? Then why give him any punishment at all? Of course he deserves punishment. He just doesn't deserve to die is all. There is no reason for it other than vengeance and that will not bring the kid back. Lock him up for the rest of his life. I don't agree with a death penalty only because it is impossible to correct or compensate a mistake.  Having said that, why isn't vengeance allowed to be included in the responses to crime?  I would suggest they would punishment, for that you can read vengeance, deterrence, and rehabilitation.  Being locked up for life is pretty vengeful.

I didn't say vengeance should not form a part of a person's sentence.

I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone.

... wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, .

Seriously? that's your solution?

to hard for you to simply teach them not to kill kids?

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone.

do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back?

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back?

Locking somebody up in gaol takes care of recidivism.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back? Locking somebody up in gaol takes care of recidivism.

tell that to Daniel Morcombe

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:39pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back? Locking somebody up in gaol takes care of recidivism. tell that to Daniel Morcombe

That was a failed case. We can fix the system. We should fix the system.

But incorporating the death penalty into an already broken system makes no sense at all.

 
John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:37pm:

... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm: I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, .  Seriously? that's your solution? to hard for you to simply teach them not to kill kids?

That's brilliant!  I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel peace prize, because I think your radical suggestion is going to eradicate murder once and for all. 

Why did nobody think of this before?

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back?

I rescued one tonight in the sink and threw it outside.... I never harm any creatures unless it is necessary..... a second on hiding in the sink was killed by hot water...


There's a parable there somewhere.....

The facts remain that mothers, either alone or in company with their 'new lion', kill their cubs at a rate seven times greater than natural fathers do.

This year that has been massively overturned - with mothers killing children at a rate around twelve times natural fathers do,

That is one clear reason why 'family violence' should no be classified as  'men v women', and why 'women and children' should not be used as a statistical argument to purvey the idea that most children etc are abused by their father, and that most 'family violence' is from the father.

It is emphatically not.

Most 'Family Violence' is from mothers and their 'new lion' in the pride, who preys upon the cubs of the former Lion...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

Most 'Family Violence' is from mothers and their 'new lion' in the pride, who preys upon the cubs of the former Lion...

That's just not true Grap.

... wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:37pm: ... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm: I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, .  Seriously? that's your solution? to hard for you to simply teach them not to kill kids? That's brilliant!  I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel peace prize, because I think your radical suggestion is going to eradicate murder once and for all.  Why did nobody think of this before?

nobody? now, now, I know you have security in numbers and all that, but the real question you should be asking is why YOU didn't think of that?

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:14pm: Most 'Family Violence' is from mothers and their 'new lion' in the pride, who preys upon the cubs of the former Lion... That's just not true Grap.

Seriously?  How then the figures that children are seven times more likely to be abused. neglected and even killed at the hands of their mother alone or in concert with her new lion?

Sadly - it IS true.

"
Who Are the Perpetrators?
No matter how the fatal abuse occurs, one fact of great
concern is that the perpetrators are, by definition,
individuals responsible for the care and supervision
of their victims. In 2013, parents, acting alone or with
another parent, were responsible for 78.9 percent of child
abuse or neglect fatalities. More than one-quarter (27.7
percent) were perpetrated by the mother acting alone,
12.4 percent were perpetrated by the father acting alone,
and 24.6 percent were perpetrated by the mother and
father acting together. Nonparents (including kin and
child care providers, among others) were responsible
for 17.0 percent of child fatalities, and child fatalities with
unknown perpetrator relationship data accounted for 4.2
percent of the total".

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/fatality.pdf

Thing about this is that in discussing 'both parents', this includes those In Locus Parenti - meaning de factos and 'new lions' and 'new lionesses', and not just real fathers.

It's also a shocking fact that 40%+ of child sexual abuse is by women, and that this is a vastly under-reported crime.

http://www.secasa.com.au/pages/breaking-the-last-taboo-sexual-abuse-by-female-perpetrators/

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:17pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:14pm: Most 'Family Violence' is from mothers and their 'new lion' in the pride, who preys upon the cubs of the former Lion... That's just not true Grap. Seriously?  How then the figures that children are seven times more likely to be abused. neglected and even killed at the hands of their mother alone or in concert with her new lion? Sadly - it IS true.

Link please.

But anyway, that doesn't translate to most family violence being mostly perpetrated by women.

Not necessarily most Family Violence - but it raises the very real issue that combining 'women and children' in the victim category, and thus pointing the finger at fathers, is a massive lie.

No other word for it.

You could also consider that the level of women's deaths could be related to this blatant abuse of children  by 'new lions' and even themselves - and the very natural response of a natural father in protecting his children.

Family Violence is not a simple issue - you know I was beaten and starved by my father.. as were my siblings - but we were also massively abused by our mother and other females in the family.

Even my father and his two brothers and his sister were physically and emotionally abused by their mother and not their father - my mother was sexually abused by her grandfather, and then physically abused by her mother... not her father at all.

Family Violence is not as simple as the reigning 'men v women' nonsense that has caused an even greater level of woman killings, through attacking men without proper reason.

You also need to read my books......

Continuing to sweep under the carper the very real responsibility of women for the harm they so often do will not resolve the situation - and assaulting men to try to beat them into line with such nonsense will only make things worse.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:21pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:17pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:14pm: Most 'Family Violence' is from mothers and their 'new lion' in the pride, who preys upon the cubs of the former Lion... That's just not true Grap. Seriously?  How then the figures that children are seven times more likely to be abused. neglected and even killed at the hands of their mother alone or in concert with her new lion? Sadly - it IS true. Link please. But anyway, that doesn't translate to most family violence being mostly perpetrated by women.

A)  define family violence.

B) compare that with the number of children killed this year by mother and real father.

C)  separate women from children and re-do your statistics.

D)  take into account the input of the new lion into the pride

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-ignored-male-victims-20150224-13o5l0.html

I'm not fighting against you here - I'm fighting with you to resolve these issues... and I believe that any discussion and input helps - as long as we escape the current downward spiral of 'men v women' only - and falsely including children as well with women.

We need to resolve the REAL issues and get away from propaganda.

One woman every seven days - one man every ten...... ring any bells?

How many of those women who kill men are charged, and how many do meaningful time?

Grap, if women are more highly represented in child deaths it is because women are by and large more often with the children.

Try factoring that in.

How much time does the average father spend with the children versus the mother.
How many more women are left isolated with children than men?

And i don;t think it's fair to associate boyfriend committed homicides with women.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

One woman every seven days - one man every ten...... ring any bells? How many of those women who kill men are charged, and how many do meaningful time?

Are you claiming that one man dies as the result of a domestic dispute every 10 days Grap?

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:02pm:   John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:37pm: ... wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:49pm: I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, .  Seriously? that's your solution? to hard for you to simply teach them not to kill kids? That's brilliant!  I'm going to nominate you for the Nobel peace prize, because I think your radical suggestion is going to eradicate murder once and for all.  Why did nobody think of this before? nobody? now, now, I know you have security in numbers and all that, but the real question you should be asking is why YOU didn't think of that?

Yes, I can't believe myself.  I guess I'll have to cancel tomorrow's killing lesson.  The kids will be so disappointed.

"Grap, if women are more highly represented in child deaths it is because women are by and large more often with the children."

That's appalling - case rests.

That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.

The issue is that the real issues of Family Violence need to be thoroughly researched and thoroughly looked at, and that means the current approach of 'male v female violence' needs to be thrown away and a new start begun.

This divisive and one-sided approach has already created an escalating war between men and women and surely any sane person could see it it time for it to be abolished, and a fair and even-handed approach made to FAMILY violence in all its forms.

Rose Batty tried to espouse Family Violence but was shouted down and signed up to 'domestic violence' as espoused by the current regime - 'men v women'.  No agree Rosie - no funding!  and surely you can see we need to cut out 'men v women' violence first.. thus trapping the entire discussion in the same mold that has created the problem of today with more and more murders.


You CANNOT exercise violence against one gender as your chosen means to resolve violence without creating casus belli - cause for war.  Capisce?

I would also suggest that proper restitution be made to the countless millions harmed by this approach.

Does government have that much money?  I doubt it.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident.

What article? One man what?

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm: That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident. What article? One man what?

Link - I provided link...


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-ignored-male-victims-20150224-13o5l0.html

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 11:04pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm: That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident. What article? One man what? Link - I provided link... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-ignored-male-victims-20150224-13o5l0.html

I have never ignored male victims. I have always strongly spoken out against family violence in all of it's forms but i refuse to accept that a man is killed every 10 days owing to the fact that his spouse is abusive.

I would say it is more likely that he was abusive and the woman had had enough.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 11:13pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:04pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm: That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident. What article? One man what? Link - I provided link... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-ignored-male-victims-20150224-13o5l0.html I have never ignored male victims. I have always strongly spoken out against family violence in all of it's forms but i refuse to accept that a man is killed every 10 days owing to the fact that his spouse is abusive. I would say it is more likely that he was abusive and the woman had had enough.

So it's all one-sided and the woman is always the victim?  You do see the error in your thinking, don't you?

Maybe all those women were abusive and the men had had enough?

You really cannot take such a position and expect it to be acceptable, and in the reverse situation you would be on the barricades screaming "Blaming the Victim!".

You do see the error of your ways, don't you?

That is the problem - the total unwillingness of those who take such a huge part in the issues of family violence to actually look at the realities in an impartial way.

Until the 'woman victim - man perpetrator' nonsense is removed from the discussion - there is no end in sight, other than an escalating war between men and women and men and government.

What you are seeing is the minor skirmishes and chance encounters... what if such a war were to become real, especially given the other evils of government of the west in the 21st century?

How many would die then?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:13pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:04pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:01pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:59pm: That article says one man every ten days from a DV incident. What article? One man what? Link - I provided link... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/qa-domestic-violence-program-ignored-male-victims-20150224-13o5l0.html I have never ignored male victims. I have always strongly spoken out against family violence in all of it's forms but i refuse to accept that a man is killed every 10 days owing to the fact that his spouse is abusive. I would say it is more likely that he was abusive and the woman had had enough. So it's all one-sided and the woman is always the victim?  You do see the error in your thinking, don't you? Maybe all those women were abusive and the men had had enough? You really cannot take such a position and expect it to be acceptable, and in the reverse situation you would be on the barricades screaming "Blaming the Victim!". You do see the error of your ways, don't you? That is the problem - the total unwillingness of those who take such a huge part in the issues of family violence to actually look at the realities in an impartial way. Until the 'woman victim - man perpetrator' nonsense is removed from the discussion - there is no end in sight, other than an escalating war between men and women and men and government. What you are seeing is the minor skirmishes and chance encounters... what if such a war were to become real, especially given the other evils of government of the west in the 21st century? How many would die then?

I never said it was all one sided. In fact i clearly said that i have never ignored male victims. They are plentiful and the number is rising.

I simply reject that one man dies at the hands of his spouse every 10 days unless it is a murder to free herself from tyranny.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 11:30pm:

I simply reject that one man dies at the hands of his spouse every 10 days unless it is a murder to free herself from tyranny.

That is the essence of the one-sided and feminist 'women victim - men perpetrator' concept that is at the heart of the current brushfire war between men and women.

Seriously, and in all good faith, you need to divorce yourself from that style of thinking - if that is allowed to continue to dominate discussion between men and women, there can only be an escalation in a war that may take millenia - but which women cannot win in the long run.

Violence is not an acceptable solution to any situation, and should be the last resort - and even suggesting that women are 'freeing themselves from tyranny' by exercising violence in many forms, as is the current case, is a certain recipe for disaster.

Any continuation of this current fallacy will result in many more deaths pn both sides, and also of those in the middle.

You need to stop that kind of thinking right now - and get with the program.

So do stupid and short-sighted governments who see that using the power of government to abuse an entire demographic to establish some form of order by exercising violence to reduce violence.

When that ever actually happens - let me know.

I will say again - this current nonsense between men and women, with the government on the side of women without any consideration for realities, is one of the root causes of social unrest and potential civil war in this country.

Do you seriously contend that just such a 'brush fire war' is not going on right now under this regime of 'woman victim - man perpetrator'?

Tomorrow will be worse....

the article was written by Bill O'chee a man with an axe to grind...failed political career and failed marriage... I would like to see where he gets the figures from he quotes....

the other link from grap is American..we cannot compare ourselves to the yanks...not yet I hope.. although we are fact approaching their stats thats for sure..

the facts are a lot of children are DYING.. and they are dying in an appalling way... this case that herb has highlighted I cannot read it..it makes me sick to my stomach to think of what they little boy went through before finally he succumbed to the brutality...where are we sinking too??.. what are we becoming..

to argue who is the worst mum or dad. boyfriend  is not the point..this is how it all gets too hard... who can stop an ADULT FROM BEING AN ANIMAL>>

we cant ..

how could this little boy 7 years of age be treated like this and no one notice anything wrong..???...

are we getting to the stage where we will soon be stepping over dead bodies in the gutter because its and every day occurrence??.. :'( :'(

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Most boyfriends of single mother's do not go on to endanger the children Herbie. Why deny people the chance to be happy? Your obviously warped views on single mother's is poisoning your reason.

It's the sheer number of these 'new boyfriend' killings and torturings that I've read of over the years that creates the stereotype. 

Okay - let's compromise.

Let's have a program in our schools which teaches the kids to report if anything untoward is happening in their home - or from neighbours.

I was sexually abused (no penetration) by 4 separate people during my younger years - and not once did it even remotely occur to me that I could report these to the adults in my social environment (school, parents, etc).

This inhibition on the part of young victims must be 'taught' out of them.

... wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Education is the key.  Not book Larnin, but mothers actually giving parental advice to their daughters, instead of being their "friend" and turning them loose to "follow their heart". I would say that fathers need to advise their sons also, for example to not raise another mans bastard, but that would require they actually have access to their sons.

Oh hell yes. Wise words there, Honky.

oh dear wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:31pm:

Your post reeks of arrogance and ignorance.

Oh, Jesus ... gregg's here as one of his socks ...

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:28pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it? Then why give him any punishment at all? Of course he deserves punishment

But what use is that?  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 7:02am:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:41pm: Most boyfriends of single mother's do not go on to endanger the children Herbie. Why deny people the chance to be happy? Your obviously warped views on single mother's is poisoning your reason. It's the sheer number of these 'new boyfriend' killings and torturings that I've read of over the years that creates the stereotype.  Okay - let's compromise. Let's have a program in our schools which teaches the kids to report if anything untoward is happening in their home - or from neighbours. I was sexually abused (no penetration) by 4 separate people during my younger years - and not once did it even remotely occur to me that I could report these to the adults in my social environment (school, parents, etc). This inhibition on the part of young victims must be 'taught' out of them.

you know herb... there are a lot of signs if you know what to look for.....we need to give people the tools to read what is going on...for instance teachers yes even doctors...if someone say a grandparent reports something they are concerned about they too should be given  the tools to watch for and report on... as we all know people make mistakes and get reported wrongly... but thats the name of the game when we are looking at crimes that are horrific...children who are abused for months...if they are not going to school it should be reported...a child that is considered in danger should be removed no ifs or buts...and parenting must be monitored for as long as it takes...I have always said we could have volunteers to do that...call in every day we have people who ring aged people who live alone every day to make sure all is well...I think our kids are entitled to have that little bit of security at least...

sorry to hear you had that awful experience...its such an evil thing.... but nothing can excuse the killing of a child nothing.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

I didn't say vengeance should not form a part of a person's sentence. I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone.

Sounds like you're hedging your bets here, Mothra.

"Heads I win - Tails you lose ..."

cods wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 7:13am:

sorry to hear you had that awful experience...its such an evil thing.... but nothing can excuse the killing of a child nothing.

Home visits by 'the authorities' is not worth a cracker. Lies, deceit, cover-ups, 'performances' is all part of the tools of the guilty and the victims.

At one time during my childhood my mother was 6 months away from dying of malnutrition as a 'Single Mother' living with us three teenaged sons in a godforsaken part of England. She literally looked like a survivor of Auschwitz - and we boys said nothing to anybody. We suffered from the frog(s) in the billy-can syndrome - being slowly heated to boiling point ... all the while getting used to the increasingly horrible change in our mother.

Eventually a cousin came from across the country and discovered the nest of rats that we were and immediately had my mother transferred to a hospital for a long session of rehabilitation.

The village priest had once dropped by to complain to my mother that she wasn't sending we three boys to church every Sunday. She stood there at the door - wobbling and lurching with weakness and looking like a scarecrow - and this Man of God arsehole left, and never raised the alarm.

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back? Locking somebody up in gaol takes care of recidivism.

Fat hope.

Parole Boards are mostly made up with priests, do-gooders, romantics, the naive, and Committed Leftwingers.

John Smith wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:39pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back? Locking somebody up in gaol takes care of recidivism. tell that to Daniel Morcombe

Excellent counter-thrust, John.  8-)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back? I rescued one tonight in the sink and threw it outside.... I never harm any creatures unless it is necessary..... a second on hiding in the sink was killed by hot water... There's a parable there somewhere.....

I think we might be soul-brothers, Grappler.

While waiting at the bus stop yesterday I saw a beetle on its back struggling in water in the gutter. I bent down and gave it a finger to clutch hold of - which it did - (with tiny shouts of joy) - and then I flicked it onto someones front lawn where no doubt it will lay eggs that develop into Curl Grubs ..

So, okay - it's an Imperfect World! I never said there was a Happy Ending for the home owner!

mothra wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 8:28pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 6:06pm: Child murderers should be hanged. Not going to bring the kid back is it? Then why give him any punishment at all? Of course he deserves punishment. He just doesn't deserve to die is all. There is no reason for it other than vengeance and that will not bring the kid back. Lock him up for the rest of his life.

The little boy did eh.....?

Get real you numpty.

Society is descending into impulsiveness.

impulsive |imˈpəlsiv|
adjective
1 acting or done without forethought : they had married as young impulsive teenagers

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

cods wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:13am: sorry to hear you had that awful experience...its such an evil thing.... but nothing can excuse the killing of a child nothing. Home visits by 'the authorities' is not worth a cracker. Lies, deceit, cover-ups, 'performances' is all part of the tools of the guilty and the victims. At one time during my childhood my mother was 6 months away from dying of malnutrition as a 'Single Mother' living with us three teenaged sons in a godforsaken part of England. She literally looked like a survivor of Auschwitz - and we boys said nothing to anybody. We suffered from the frog(s) in the billy-can syndrome - being slowly heated to boiling point ... all the while getting used to the increasingly horrible change in our mother. Eventually a cousin came from across the country and discovered the nest of rats that we were and immediately had my mother transferred to a hospital for a long session of rehabilitation. The village priest had once dropped by to complain to my mother that she wasn't sending we three boys to church every Sunday. She stood there at the door - wobbling and lurching with weakness and looking like a scarecrow - and this Man of God arsehole left, and never raised the alarm.

herb thats shocking but you have to admit different times we have come a long way from then but not near far enough...look I am sure there is a lot of prevention out there we just dont talk about that bit.. but the ones that fall through the cracks.are still shameful...

lets be honest only WE have the power to change anything...we ADULTS... whingeing and blaming others doesnt change whats happening..we have to demand things happen....and I do believe we can use volunteers to call on people to make them aware they are being watched at all times...and all kids must attend school...

there are ways and means herb...for teachers to pick up the signs.... they have to have more tools and  actions they can take.....we dont always want the police or docs involved.. just plain old commonsense... and that way maybe DOCS wouldnt be overwhelmed...

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Society is descending into impulsiveness. impulsive |imˈpəlsiv| adjective 1 acting or done without forethought : they had married as young impulsive teenagers

no bias.. these kids are tortured....read the op it will sicken you this was not impulse.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 10:09pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:38pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:33pm: I said the only reason to kill someone is for vengeance, which isn't a good enough reason to kill someone. do you step on a cockroach for revenge? or because you don't want it to come back? I rescued one tonight in the sink and threw it outside.... I never harm any creatures unless it is necessary..... a second on hiding in the sink was killed by hot water... There's a parable there somewhere..... I think we might be soul-brothers, Grappler. While waiting at the bus stop yesterday I saw a beetle on its back struggling in water in the gutter. I bent down and gave it a finger to clutch hold of - which it did - (with tiny shouts of joy) - and then I flicked it onto someones front lawn where no doubt it will lay eggs that develop into Curl Grubs .. So, okay - it's an Imperfect World! I never said there was a Happy Ending for the home owner!

People who understand pain are often the ones who become soft and caring as they age, Herb.  That exact thing was said by a retired WO in 22 SAS who had been at Goose Green with 2 Para - and his eyes show it, too.

All the 'tough guys' out there are only a slice above animals - nothing heroic there or of any value to humanity.

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 8:16am:

Society is descending into impulsiveness. impulsive |imˈpəlsiv| adjective 1 acting or done without forethought : they had married as young impulsive teenagers

That's a good thread subject all of its own.

cods wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 8:18am:

herb thats shocking but you have to admit different times we have come a long way from then but not near far enough...look I am sure there is a lot of prevention out there we just dont talk about that bit.. but the ones that fall through the cracks.are still shameful...

People working for Docs are forever being found guilty of procrastination when tragedy finally brings a death or torture to the notice of the police and the courts.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

People who understand pain are often the ones who become soft and caring as they age, Herb.  That exact thing was said by a retired WO in 22 SAS who had been at Goose Green with 2 Para - and his eyes show it, too. All the 'tough guys' out there are only a slice above animals - nothing heroic there or of any value to humanity.

Correct.

We've been reading the same sort of books.

The combat 'heroes' are often the ones who have psychopathic personalities.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 2:52pm: People who understand pain are often the ones who become soft and caring as they age, Herb.  That exact thing was said by a retired WO in 22 SAS who had been at Goose Green with 2 Para - and his eyes show it, too. All the 'tough guys' out there are only a slice above animals - nothing heroic there or of any value to humanity. Correct. We've been reading the same sort of books. The combat 'heroes' are often the ones who have psychopathic personalities.

Actually - and you can see this in their photos - the SAS don't accept people of a violent nature, just people with both the brains and the skills and the physical abilities.

I read an article that 98% of psychopathic personalities are not Serial Killers, but people who work and function in society in many different occupations without being thought a 'psychopath' by those who know them.

One of the defining features of the psychopath is the inability to feel fear or empathy as ordinary people do.

Back when, the Turks had a whole regiment made up of men who were called the 'Undisciplinables'. These were truly scary dudes. Whenever a city was proving too difficult to conquer with Turkey's ordinary regiments - they would send for ... (drumroll) ... 'The Undisciplinables'.

These were Hannibal Lecter, Genghis Khan, and Doctor Frankenstein's monsters all rolled into one. History has not recorded if they actually dragged their knuckles along the ground, but they must have been a terrifying sight as they came charging towards the city walls after being released by their Turkish masters.

innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Cranial wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:43pm: I feel a Greggory coming on. ::) No, its Wednesday, he's having his electric shock therapy today.

;D ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.

Herb.

I was at 1 stage a single mother.

Why?

I needed to escape violence.

The abusive nutter in question was my elite private schooled lawyer husband...the actual father of my now teenage son and daughter.

I shut and locked the door on that revolting relationship by initiating divorce proceedings. And that was a difficult and brave step for me to take...because it went against my cultural/religious upbringing.

I'm now in a completely different and far more positive situation BECAUSE I MOVED ON.

I was determined to make drastic changes for the sake of my kids' future. I did that by making the decision to find and marry someone completely and utterly different to my ex husband.

Looking back....I guess I needed a new but very different partner in my life...mainly for support/someone to share my sore soul's problems with. What helped me was my faith in God and my family....and the fact that I fought hard to get as much counselling as possible.

Make no mistake....counselling support programs are underfunded. Fact!

Herb...many women try to correct their life's mistakes by moving on. Many fall back into the fire whilst doing so because they don't have enough support.

Please don't judge them for that.

Oh and just so you know, your post has unfairly judged me too. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:39am:

I was at 1 stage a single mother. Why?

you thought your husband was many people?

You seem to have handled all that pretty well Lisa and I doffs my cap to you.
Single mothers always have, always will be with us.
Young blokes have little or no control over their testosterone and girls have little control over stars in their eyes.
And then there's violence.

The only civilised solution is to provide support.
There may be no parents to do that and if they're unwilling it falls to the state.
The state needs to give generous support. This is not 1850 though it may become so again.
But it must not become an alternative lifestyle and there's where you come up against the dilemma.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:39am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:29pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.  Herb. I was at 1 stage a single mother. Why? I needed to escape violence. The abusive nutter in question was my elite private schooled lawyer husband...the actual father of my now teenage son and daughter. I shut and locked the door on that revolting relationship by initiating divorce proceedings. And that was a difficult and brave step for me to take...because it went against my cultural/religious upbringing. I'm now in a completely different and far more positive situation BECAUSE I MOVED ON. I was determined to make drastic changes for the sake of my kids' future. I did that by making the decision to find and marry someone completely and utterly different to my ex husband. Looking back....I guess I needed a new but very different partner in my life...mainly for support/someone to share my sore soul's problems with. What helped me was my faith in God and my family....and the fact that I fought hard to get as much counselling as possible. Make no mistake....counselling support programs are underfunded. Fact! Herb...many women try to correct their life's mistakes by moving on. Many fall back into the fire whilst doing so because they don't have enough support. Please don't judge them for that. Oh and just so you know, your post has unfairly judged me too.

Herb...I've now highlighted the part in your post which explains why you loathe me.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:55am:

You seem to have handled all that pretty well Lisa and I doffs my cap to you. Single mothers always have, always will be with us. Young blokes have little or no control over their testosterone and girls have little control over stars in their eyes. And then there's violence. The only civilised solution is to provide support. There may be no parents to do that and if they're unwilling it falls to the state. The state needs to give generous support. This is not 1850 though it may become so again. But it must not become an alternative lifestyle and there's where you come up against the dilemma.

Thank you Mr Bogarde.

I lost a lot of money and my health along the way.

Any regrets? None whatsoever!

My children were/are worth it.

Life is good these days.

And you're 100% correct as regards support.

I'm sorry to hear of your earlier problems, Lisa, but in parting, you've judged me unfairly.

I made it abundantly clear that my ire is reserved for those women who have had any amount of time to assess their future husband's character before committing to marriage and children ... but who instead rush into the partnership and then - while the children are still only of rug-rat age - suddenly learn that the guy is a louse.

That is the height of irresponsibility to your children. They too have to suffer the back-wash from an abusive and violent family situation ... and all because the mother had simply rolled onto her back and said ... "Take me, Darl! - I loves your After Shave lotion".

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:56am:

I'm sorry to hear of your earlier problems, Lisa, but in parting, you've judged me unfairly.

Stop playing the victim, Herbie.

"'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. "

Creep.

He has arrived.

I'll catch you later Lisa - there's no point in continuing with this conversation while this pest is here.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:02am:

He has arrived. I'll catch you later Lisa - there's no point in continuing with this conversation while this pest is here.

Off you trot, creep.

Why do you do this greg? Live & let live

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:37am:

Why do you do this greg? Live & let live

Herbie's playing the victim (once again), after posting this:

"'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe."

This creep needs to be exposed.

If you want to be his apologist, that's your choice.

Oh no!!!!!

Why did I bother posting in this topic?

:'(

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:58am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:39am: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:29pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.  Herb. I was at 1 stage a single mother. Why? I needed to escape violence. The abusive nutter in question was my elite private schooled lawyer husband...the actual father of my now teenage son and daughter. I shut and locked the door on that revolting relationship by initiating divorce proceedings. And that was a difficult and brave step for me to take...because it went against my cultural/religious upbringing. I'm now in a completely different and far more positive situation BECAUSE I MOVED ON. I was determined to make drastic changes for the sake of my kids' future. I did that by making the decision to find and marry someone completely and utterly different to my ex husband. Looking back....I guess I needed a new but very different partner in my life...mainly for support/someone to share my sore soul's problems with. What helped me was my faith in God and my family....and the fact that I fought hard to get as much counselling as possible. Make no mistake....counselling support programs are underfunded. Fact! Herb...many women try to correct their life's mistakes by moving on. Many fall back into the fire whilst doing so because they don't have enough support. Please don't judge them for that. Oh and just so you know, your post has unfairly judged me too.  Herb...I've now highlighted the part in your post which explains why you loathe me.

I've hghlighted where I qualified that remark ...

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:42am:

Oh no!!!!! Why did I bother posting in this topic? :'(

;D ;D ;D

https://assets.pando.com/uploads/2012/01/backpedaling3.jpg

It was good of you to tell us your story, Lisa. Well done and thank you.

I'm of the generation which had a 'decent' length of time for the engagement, and there was no sex on the first date as with your generation.

A chaste kiss on the cheek was all there was for the first dozen dates.

'Heavy petting' only arrived a few weeks before the actual wedding.

The 'Wedding Night' really was the first time they lay down together in the same bed, albeit there was no sex because by then the groom had drunk far too much.

For the first 10 years the couple avoided having children while they saved up for a deposit on their own home.

Eventually, with his job secure and the house on a mortgage - the wife would then have her first baby.

Planned ... orderly ... patient ... and one step at a time.

There were no 'Single Mothers' in those days until the kids were in their teens. It took that long for the husband to change his habits and become an alcoholic.

Women in those days didn't marry alcoholics like they do today.

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I was at 1 stage a single mother. Why? I needed to escape violence. The abusive nutter in question was my elite private schooled lawyer husband...the actual father of my now teenage son and daughter. I shut and locked the door on that revolting relationship by initiating divorce proceedings. And that was a difficult and brave step for me to take...because it went against my cultural/religious upbringing. I'm now in a completely different and far more positive situation BECAUSE I MOVED ON. I was determined to make drastic changes for the sake of my kids' future. I did that by making the decision to find and marry someone completely and utterly different to my ex husband. Looking back....I guess I needed a new but very different partner in my life...mainly for support/someone to share my sore soul's problems with. What helped me was my faith in God and my family....and the fact that I fought hard to get as much counselling as possible. Make no mistake....counselling support programs are underfunded. Fact! Herb...many women try to correct their life's mistakes by moving on. Many fall back into the fire whilst doing so because they don't have enough support. Please don't judge them for that. Oh and just so you know, your post has unfairly judged me too.

I thought your (twin) kids were toddlers when you separated from their father, not teenagers.  Why did you hang around after the first act of physical violence and thus expose the kids to it, or did you leave on the occasion of the first act of physical violence?   And yes, you were lucky to have family support, especially that of your Mother with whom you are obviously very close.

Lisa Jones ^^^ ???

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:55am:

It was good of you to tell us your story, Lisa. Well done and thank you. I'm of the generation which had a 'decent' length of time for the engagement, and there was no sex on the first date as with your generation. A chaste kiss on the cheek was all there was for the first dozen dates. 'Heavy petting' only arrived a few weeks before the actual wedding. The 'Wedding Night' really was the first time they lay down together in the same bed, albeit there was no sex because by then the groom had drunk far too much. For the first 10 years the couple avoided having children while they saved up for a deposit on their own home. Eventually, with his job secure and the house on a mortgage - the wife would then have her first baby. Planned ... orderly ... patient ... and one step at a time. There were no 'Single Mothers' in those days until the kids were in their teens. It took that long for the husband to change his habits and become an alcoholic. Women in those days didn't marry alcoholics like they do today.

Herb.

1. We European girls are taught to abide by and respect our traditional cultural/religious values.

2. As such, we are expected to be virgin brides.

3. I was a virgin bride in her early 20's.

4. NB. I rebelled in that I had a few boyfriends before....but there was no sex, just a few dates and I had to be home by 9 pm.

5. NB I had no dad, just a widowed mum. And I was the eldest....so I really had no one to talk to about what was going on in my marriage.

6. Things were bad from the get go....ie my honeymoon. My body was covered in bruises within 24 hrs.....and I was teased and intimidated by my new husband for being a virgin and as such....for not knowing that such bruising during sex was normal.

Ok?

That was how my 1st marriage STARTED.

I was out of there within 6 yrs......and they were the longest years of my life. I was exhausted....both emotionally and physically.

And throughout the entire time.....my family offered no moral support because they were too busy being judgmental. Instituting divorce proceedings goes against our traditional cultural and Christian values. It's just not done. You stick it out.. .until the situation is fixed.

The last month of my marriage.....was pure hell.

I found a hidden life insurance policy he had taken out on me. And he caught me reading it.

Anyway...a lot of dreadful things happened infront of our little kids. That upset me heaps.

So I tried to negotiate with him to abuse me after the kids had gone to sleep ....pref in the wine cellar so no one could hear.

Things got even worse. I really had no choice but to run for my life and save myself and the kids.

If I stuck around...I'd be dead.

I knew I needed to stay alive for my little ones (now teenagers).

And I clearly remember the day I looked in the bathroom mirror, saw my hair (cut very short so he couldn't tear at it)....looked at even more bruises on my arms from where he had picked me up and had thrown me about...and I made the decision to choose life over tradition, culture and religion. Why? Because my 2 kids were worth it.

And that's it.

I had a lot of guts to take on that ex husband/lawyer of a beast in court....and to take on my culture and religion at the same time.

But I did it...and I've never looked back.

I've recovered all my economic losses....and am doing well.

Now Herb.....about single mothers.

We're all different. Don't you think?i

Lisa Jones, what does the expression 'passive aggressive' mean?  It does not involve physical violence, does it?

Lisa that is the best BS we have ever heard.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Lisa Jones, what does the expression 'passive aggressive' mean?  It does not involve physical violence, does it?

I cant see where lisa has mentioned' passive aggressive'


by the sound of your comment...you seem to give the impression passive aggressive is less "violent"..

REALLY?..

at least a black eye will heal  and even fade in ones memory eventually god willing...but emotional damage is a whole different thing...if you are fragile or weak if you like.. it can do untold damage forever more...fear and dread do not just belong to the physical violence.

as you have claimed aussie you were brought up in a nice home with nice people.......in fact you have no real idea what domestic violence is...

each case is an original story

instead of judging others we should be trying to find  a solution to stop the horror...

Lisa Jones:


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I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

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.in fact you have no real idea what domestic violence is...

Of course not.  Especially after 33 years practicing Law including many years involving Family Law and domestic violence.  I wouldn't have a clue.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:31am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:58am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:39am: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:29pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.  Herb. I was at 1 stage a single mother. Why? I needed to escape violence. The abusive nutter in question was my elite private schooled lawyer husband...the actual father of my now teenage son and daughter. I shut and locked the door on that revolting relationship by initiating divorce proceedings. And that was a difficult and brave step for me to take...because it went against my cultural/religious upbringing. I'm now in a completely different and far more positive situation BECAUSE I MOVED ON. I was determined to make drastic changes for the sake of my kids' future. I did that by making the decision to find and marry someone completely and utterly different to my ex husband. Looking back....I guess I needed a new but very different partner in my life...mainly for support/someone to share my sore soul's problems with. What helped me was my faith in God and my family....and the fact that I fought hard to get as much counselling as possible. Make no mistake....counselling support programs are underfunded. Fact! Herb...many women try to correct their life's mistakes by moving on. Many fall back into the fire whilst doing so because they don't have enough support. Please don't judge them for that. Oh and just so you know, your post has unfairly judged me too.  Herb...I've now highlighted the part in your post which explains why you loathe me. I've highlighted where I qualified that remark ...

Ah.

Herb...my twins were toddlers. They weren't "10 yrs old or so" when I made the decision to end the marriage.

Does that change things for you?

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:37am:

Why do you do this greg? Live & let live

you're talking about Herb here Boges, he doesn't live, he merely exists

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:04pm: Lisa Jones, what does the expression 'passive aggressive' mean?  It does not involve physical violence, does it? I cant see where lisa has mentioned' passive aggressive' by the sound of your comment...you seem to give the impression passive aggressive is less "violent".. REALLY?.. at least a black eye will heal  and even fade in ones memory eventually god willing...but emotional damage is a whole different thing...if you are fragile or weak if you like.. it can do untold damage forever more...fear and dread do not just belong to the physical violence. as you have claimed aussie you were brought up in a nice home with nice people.......in fact you have no real idea what domestic violence is... each case is an original story instead of judging others we should be trying to find  a solution to stop the horror...

Ignore him Cods.

He's a passive aggressive perpetrator himself.., and he's misquoting my posts in this topic to bait me into some form of dialogue with him.

It ain't gonna happen.

He can bait all he likes.

He's Oz Pol's Master Baiter.

Master Baiter.

Aussie.

Enough said?

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and he's misquoting my posts in this topic to bait me into some form of dialogue with him.

Oh....so you did not post this Lisa Jones?


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I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:35am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:42am: Oh no!!!!! Why did I bother posting in this topic? :'( ;D ;D ;D

Herb.

I can't discuss this topic with you without Master Baiter and Co rushing in to troll.

And you sit there laughing????

::) ::) ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:57pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:55am: It was good of you to tell us your story, Lisa. Well done and thank you. I'm of the generation which had a 'decent' length of time for the engagement, and there was no sex on the first date as with your generation. A chaste kiss on the cheek was all there was for the first dozen dates. 'Heavy petting' only arrived a few weeks before the actual wedding. The 'Wedding Night' really was the first time they lay down together in the same bed, albeit there was no sex because by then the groom had drunk far too much. For the first 10 years the couple avoided having children while they saved up for a deposit on their own home. Eventually, with his job secure and the house on a mortgage - the wife would then have her first baby. Planned ... orderly ... patient ... and one step at a time. There were no 'Single Mothers' in those days until the kids were in their teens. It took that long for the husband to change his habits and become an alcoholic. Women in those days didn't marry alcoholics like they do today. Herb. 1. We European girls are taught to abide by and respect our traditional cultural/religious values. 2. As such, we are expected to be virgin brides. 3. I was a virgin bride in her early 20's. 4. NB. I rebelled in that I had a few boyfriends before....but there was no sex, just a few dates and I had to be home by 9 pm. 5. NB I had no dad, just a widowed mum. And I was the eldest....so I really had no one to talk to about what was going on in my marriage. 6. Things were bad from the get go....ie my honeymoon. My body was covered in bruises within 24 hrs.....and I was teased and intimidated by my new husband for being a virgin and as such....for not knowing that such bruising during sex was normal. Ok? That was how my 1st marriage STARTED. I was out of there within 6 yrs......and they were the longest years of my life. I was exhausted....both emotionally and physically. And throughout the entire time.....my family offered no moral support because they were too busy being judgmental. Instituting divorce proceedings goes against our traditional cultural and Christian values. It's just not done. You stick it out.. .until the situation is fixed. The last month of my marriage.....was pure hell. I found a hidden life insurance policy he had taken out on me. And he caught me reading it. Anyway...a lot of dreadful things happened infront of our little kids. That upset me heaps. So I tried to negotiate with him to abuse me after the kids had gone to sleep ....pref in the wine cellar so no one could hear. Things got even worse. I really had no choice but to run for my life and save myself and the kids. If I stuck around...I'd be dead. I knew I needed to stay alive for my little ones (now teenagers). And I clearly remember the day I looked in the bathroom mirror, saw my hair (cut very short so he couldn't tear at it)....looked at even more bruises on my arms from where he had picked me up and had thrown me about...and I made the decision to choose life over tradition, culture and religion. Why? Because my 2 kids were worth it. And that's it. I had a lot of guts to take on that ex husband/lawyer of a beast in court....and to take on my culture and religion at the same time. But I did it...and I've never looked back. I've recovered all my economic losses....and am doing well. Now Herb.....about single mothers. We're all different. Don't you think?

Up!

Just bringing the topic back on track.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Quote: and he's misquoting my posts in this topic to bait me into some form of dialogue with him. Oh....so you did not post this Lisa Jones? [quote]I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

[/quote]

Did you post that Lisa Jones, or was I mis-quoting you?  I'm happy to apologise if you did not post it and I misquoted.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:58am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:39am: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:29pm: mothra wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:33pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 5:28pm: link They should bring in laws. What laws do you suggest Herbie? The Death Penalty for child murders. But otherwise a law that says that none of our hordes of f***wit 'Single Mothers' may have a 'boyfriend' in any shape or form until a son is 13 years of age and a daughter is 15 years of age. 'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe. Have you noticed how their children are always toddlers? How in god's name is it that these pathetic women can't make a more intelligent assessment of the idiots they marry? 'Single Mothers' whose children are 10 years old or so at least have the excuse that their husbands may have 'changed' because of drinking, or job loss, etc. I can feel a certain sympathy for them.  Herb. I was at 1 stage a single mother. Why? I needed to escape violence. The abusive nutter in question was my elite private schooled lawyer husband...the actual father of my now teenage son and daughter. I shut and locked the door on that revolting relationship by initiating divorce proceedings. And that was a difficult and brave step for me to take...because it went against my cultural/religious upbringing. I'm now in a completely different and far more positive situation BECAUSE I MOVED ON. I was determined to make drastic changes for the sake of my kids' future. I did that by making the decision to find and marry someone completely and utterly different to my ex husband. Looking back....I guess I needed a new but very different partner in my life...mainly for support/someone to share my sore soul's problems with. What helped me was my faith in God and my family....and the fact that I fought hard to get as much counselling as possible. Make no mistake....counselling support programs are underfunded. Fact! Herb...many women try to correct their life's mistakes by moving on. Many fall back into the fire whilst doing so because they don't have enough support. Please don't judge them for that. Oh and just so you know, your post has unfairly judged me too.  Herb...I've now highlighted the part in your post which explains why you loathe me. I've highlighted where I qualified that remark ... Ah. Herb...my twins were toddlers. They weren't "10 yrs old or so" when I made the decision to end the marriage. Does that change things for you?

Up!

Ok....Herb, I look forward to your responses.

I'm not particularly interested in any other person's posts.

Of course you're not.  Because I can prove that what you have posted is 100% inconsistent with what you have posted.

As Mr R. Neck has said......nice story Lisa Jones.  Just another one of many.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Lisa Jones: Quote: I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte. [quote].in fact you have no real idea what domestic violence is...

Of course not.  Especially after 33 years practicing Law including many years involving Family Law and domestic violence.  I wouldn't have a clue.[/quote]


yes we all know how YOU BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOU ARE TOLD>..

right LISA...

I am referring to experience personal experience...

you judge everything some posters say on  here.. with your own brand of negativity... yes sir its always ont eh DOWN side..we have noticed... right lisa???..

you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... >:( >:( >:(..

you may believe all the tosh you claim.. but many dont...... you see lisa isnt the only one who is doubted... :D :D

if you are claiming lisa made a mistake about the term passive aggressive.. she was from what I can make out of your selected piece referring to yourself....and the fact you cannot strike her from where you are.. it kind of fits the bill in that case..  yes it means NON VIOLENT... no flesh on  flesh.. ::) ::)

but your intent isnt..

I'm not going to respond to all of that rant, cods.  I can prove, using Lisa's own posts, that her stories never match.  This:


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you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... Angry Angry Angry..

At no time did I say I 'built' refuges, and I never said I helped as you assert.  I did say that, as a Cab Driver, I drove them away from the Refuges they were evicted from.

Maybe, you ought be called for links when you make these dumb and incorrect allegations, which you make make just to match your one eyed agenda.

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:54pm: Lisa Jones: Quote: I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte. [quote].in fact you have no real idea what domestic violence is... Of course not.  Especially after 33 years practicing Law including many years involving Family Law and domestic violence.  I wouldn't have a clue.

yes we all know how YOU BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOU ARE TOLD>..

right LISA...

I am referring to experience personal experience...

you judge everything some posters say on  here.. with your own brand of negativity... yes sir its always ont eh DOWN side..we have noticed... right lisa???..

you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... >:( >:( >:(..

you may believe all the tosh you claim.. but many dont...... you see lisa isnt the only one who is doubted... :D :D

if you are claiming lisa made a mistake about the term passive aggressive.. she was from what I can make out of your selected piece referring to yourself....and the fact you cannot strike her from where you are.. it kind of fits the bill in that case..  yes it means NON VIOLENT... no flesh on  flesh.. ::) ::)

but your intent isnt..[/quote]

Spot on Cods.

Ignore him. Please.

He's an online passive aggressive perpetrator.

And he's never been a lawyer...just a bankie who got given the boot.

The ONLY experience he's had with the law...is by being on the receiving end of its criminal hand.

Fact!

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:04pm: Quote: and he's misquoting my posts in this topic to bait me into some form of dialogue with him. Oh....so you did not post this Lisa Jones? [quote]I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

Did you post that Lisa Jones, or was I mis-quoting you?  I'm happy to apologise if you did not post it and I misquoted.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

I'm not going to respond to all of that rant, cods.  I can prove, using Lisa's own posts, that her stories never match.  This: Quote: you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... Angry Angry Angry.. At no time did I say I 'built' refuges, and I never said I helped as you assert.  I did say that, as a Cab Driver, I drove them away from the Refuges they were evicted from. Maybe, you ought be called for links when you make these dumb and incorrect allegations, which you make make just to match your one eyed agenda.

Cods....no links are required.

He can bugger off...and take his BS rescripted lies with him.

We all read Aussie's perverted lies about SETTING REFUGES UP AND MANAGING THEM.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:10pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:04pm: [quote] and he's misquoting my posts in this topic to bait me into some form of dialogue with him. Oh....so you did not post this Lisa Jones? [quote]I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

Did you post that Lisa Jones, or was I mis-quoting you?  I'm happy to apologise if you did not post it and I misquoted.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:08pm:

3. I was a virgin bride in her early 20's.

I fell off my chair reading that!

DOES ANY ONE BELIEVE ANYTHING THIS TART WRITES?

I CERTAINLY DONT!

ATTENTION SEEKER EXTRAORDINAIRE!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:31pm: I'm not going to respond to all of that rant, cods.  I can prove, using Lisa's own posts, that her stories never match.  This: Quote: you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... Angry Angry Angry.. At no time did I say I 'built' refuges, and I never said I helped ..as you assert.  I did say that, as a Cab Driver, I drove them away from the Refuges they were evicted from. Maybe, you ought be called for links when you make these dumb and incorrect allegations, which you make make just to match your one eyed agenda. Cods....no links are required. He can bugger off...and take his BS rescripted lies with him. We all read Aussie's perverted lies about SETTING REFUGES UP AND MANAGING THEM.

Cods.....if you like....you could throw the truth into his lying face.

You see, the lying prick just cannot get his lies straight.....and he attempts to deflect his own shortcomings...on those of us....who tell the truth

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1443653228/660#665

Aussie :

Ya see, cods, this is where you come apart.  Apart from basic stuff, you know nothing about me, including that I was very personally responsible for starting, setting up, and seeing into ongoing existence several Womens' Refuges.



::)

And I was.  I did not build anything.  I was part of a Committee which established and ran several Refuges.

Did you post this, Lisa Jones:


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I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

If you did not, I am happy to apologise unequivocally.

Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:56pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:08pm: 3. I was a virgin bride in her early 20's. I fell off my chair reading that! DOES ANY ONE BELIEVE ANYTHING THIS TART WRITES? I CERTAINLY DONT! ATTENTION SEEKER EXTRAORDINAIRE!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

she's greek .... for her a virgin bride is one who's arse is virginal.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:44pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:31pm: I'm not going to respond to all of that rant, cods.  I can prove, using Lisa's own posts, that her stories never match.  This: Quote: you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... Angry Angry Angry.. At no time did I say I 'built' refuges, and I never said I helped ..as you assert.  I did say that, as a Cab Driver, I drove them away from the Refuges they were evicted from. Maybe, you ought be called for links when you make these dumb and incorrect allegations, which you make make just to match your one eyed agenda. Cods....no links are required. He can bugger off...and take his BS rescripted lies with him. We all read Aussie's perverted lies about SETTING REFUGES UP AND MANAGING THEM. Cods.....if you like....you could throw the truth into his lying face. You see, the lying prick just cannot get his lies straight.....and he attempts to deflect his own shortcomings...on those of us....who tell the truth http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1443653228/660#665 Aussie : Ya see, cods, this is where you come apart.  Apart from basic stuff, you know nothing about me, including that I was very personally responsible for starting, setting up, and seeing into ongoing existence several Womens' Refuges. ::)

Up for Cods!

Lisa Jones, you accused me of a pretty grave sin around these parts.


Quote:

and he's misquoting my posts in this topic to bait me into some form of dialogue with him.

I have said you posted this:


Quote:

I just couldn't take any more of his passive -aggressive control freak shyte.

I am asking a simple question of you.  Did you post that (highlighted) or not.

If you did not, I am wanting to apologise, unequivocally.  How much fairer can I be, Lisa Jones?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:06pm:

Herb. I can't discuss this topic with you without Master Baiter and Co rushing in to troll. And you sit there laughing???? ::) ::) ::) ::)

No - I'm not laughing at you.

And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:06pm: Herb. I can't discuss this topic with you without Master Baiter and Co rushing in to troll. And you sit there laughing???? ::) ::) ::) ::) No - I'm not laughing at you. And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade.

I am guessing you include me among those 'white ants' Herbert, yet all I am doing is my very best to ask Lisa Jones if I have misquoted her, so that, if I did, I can offer an equivocal apology.  So far, she has done everything except not answer my obvious question.  Why would that be Herbert?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:57pm:

to flush this thread down the toilet

nope, i think that happened as soon as someone made this comment

'Single Mothers' are a breed of creature that I utterly loathe.'

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Ok....Herb, I look forward to your responses. I'm not particularly interested in any other person's posts.

Fact or fiction, you write very well, Lisa. Don't be discouraged by the rude noises coming from the cheap seats here - You just remain true to yourself.

I don't doubt that for you, writing in these threads is as much a mental exercise and a cathartic therapy as it is for me.  :)

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:08pm:

I am guessing you include me among those 'white ants' Herbert, yet all I am doing is my very best to ask Lisa Jones if I have misquoted her, so that, if I did, I can offer an equivocal apology.  So far, she has done everything except not answer my obvious question.  Why would that be Herbert?

Jesus Christ on a crippled donkey, Aussie - do you ever ... I mean f***ing EVER do anything else on this board except button-hole people to whinge and whine at over some highly forgettable trivia. For God sake get a life, mate.

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

you become  an expert mostly when it suits you we are still getting over your building  refuge homes and helping refuge home grub women and their screaming kids as they are being evicted by managers of said houses... >:( >:( >:(..

  >:( >:( >:( ... ;D ;D ;D

So Lisa has a flair for journalistic licence - where's the harm? There's nothing wrong with having a fertile imagination if it wiles away the time and makes an interesting read.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:08pm: I am guessing you include me among those 'white ants' Herbert, yet all I am doing is my very best to ask Lisa Jones if I have misquoted her, so that, if I did, I can offer an equivocal apology.  So far, she has done everything except not answer my obvious question.  Why would that be Herbert? Jesus Christ on a crippled donkey, Aussie - do you ever ... I mean f***ing EVER do anything else on this board except button-hole people to whinge and whine at over some highly forgettable trivia. For God sake get a life, mate.

You mean like how you were a Senior Officer of the London Metropolitan Police at age 19?  That sort of trivia?

If I have misquoted Lisa Jones as she asserts, all I ask is that she say so, and I will do what is required.  I will either prove that I have not misquoted her, as she alleges, or I will abjectly apologise.  Is that not the honourable thing to do Herbert?

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:23pm:

If I have misquoted Lisa Jones as she asserts, all I ask is that she say so, and I will do what is required.  I will either prove that I have not misquoted her, as she alleges, or I will abjectly apologise.  Is that not the honourable thing to do Herbert?

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:23pm: If I have misquoted Lisa Jones as she asserts, all I ask is that she say so, and I will do what is required.  I will either prove that I have not misquoted her, as she alleges, or I will abjectly apologise.  Is that not the honourable thing to do Herbert? You just can't help yourself, can you?

Oh.....If you mean that I wish to apologise if I am wrong, then I guess I can't help myself Herbert.

I think we have taken that as far as we can Herbert, so I'd like to explore this post of yours which was made by you in direct reference to Lisa Jones:


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So Lisa has a flair for journalistic licence - where's the harm? There's nothing wrong with having a fertile imagination if it wiles away the time and makes an interesting read.

There is only one way to read that, isn't there.  You are alleging Lisa Jones is posting fiction about what she reckons is her real life experience.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:35pm:

I think we have taken that as far as we can Herbert, so I'd like to explore this post of yours which was made by you in direct reference to Lisa Jones: Quote: So Lisa has a flair for journalistic licence - where's the harm? There's nothing wrong with having a fertile imagination if it wiles away the time and makes an interesting read. There is only one way to read that, isn't there.  You are alleging Lisa Jones is posting fiction about what she reckons is her real life experience.

She never claimed to  be a Lawyer ;D

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:36pm:

She never claimed to  be a Lawyer Grin

give her time  8-) 8-)

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:35pm: I think we have taken that as far as we can Herbert, so I'd like to explore this post of yours which was made by you in direct reference to Lisa Jones: Quote: So Lisa has a flair for journalistic licence - where's the harm? There's nothing wrong with having a fertile imagination if it wiles away the time and makes an interesting read. There is only one way to read that, isn't there.  You are alleging Lisa Jones is posting fiction about what she reckons is her real life experience. She never claimed to  be a Lawyer ;D

As a matter of fact, she has posted that when she was at 'Uni' she was a Law Student.  I guess she graduated and became a Lawyer, but, on the other hand,  maybe she flunked as a Law Student.

Now, While I admit Aussie does stalk Lisa and is hardly a reliable source of information where Lisa is concerned, I do have to agree with him that Lisa did claim to have studied law.

She has yet to tell us she is a lawyer though, so technically she is still in the clear

but like I said, give her time.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:45pm:

Now, While I admit Aussie does stalk Lisa and is hardly a reliable source of information where Lisa is concerned, I do have to agree with him that Lisa did claim to have studied law. She has yet to tell us she is a lawyer though, so technically she is still in the clear but like I said, give her time.

Oh, I am a very reliable source on Lisa Jones.  I know what she has claimed, and I can just about post a link to all her claims, including that she did post that her ex-husband was a passive aggresive bloke....which ipso facto, excludes the physical violence she now asserts she was victim of. She is also inconsistent as to how long that alleged relationship lasted.  I could go on and on, but Herbert has brought it to a head quite nicely.   He understands that she is posting fiction.  I do hope others have the same perception, especially when it comes down to wild and false allegations Lisa Jones makes about PMs, socks and multi-trolls etc including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:18pm:

including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes.

I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't?

Joan is secretly in love with Lisa.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't?

No, you have sucked them "John," and now you have stopped, she is turning, viper like, on you.  I can assure you I am not deluded and, she has never deluded me, even when she was at PA, sucking my toes when I was Admin there.....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? No, you have sucked them "John," and now you have stopped, she is turning, viper like, on you.  I can assure you I am not deluded and, she has never deluded me, even when she was at PA, sucking my toes when I was Admin there.....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history.

you're an idiot Aussie, you still stalk her continuously ... my pointing that out to you is not 'sucking her toes' ... no matter how often you say it.,

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? Joan is secretly in love with Lisa.

you're just upset because I rejected your advances :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:58pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? Joan is secretly in love with Lisa. you're just upset because I rejected your advances :D :D

Nah you're just upset because I exposed your love for Lisa Jones, Joan.

Ever since Aussie knocked you back. Try Greg.

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:58pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? Joan is secretly in love with Lisa. you're just upset because I rejected your advances :D :D Nah you're just upset because I exposed your love for Lisa Jones, Joan. Ever since Aussie knocked you back. Try Greg.

you didn't expose anything you fool. Other than your foolishness

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? No, you have sucked them "John," and now you have stopped, she is turning, viper like, on you.  I can assure you I am not deluded and, she has never deluded me, even when she was at PA, sucking my toes when I was Admin there.....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history. you're an idiot Aussie, you still stalk her continuously ... my pointing that out to you is not 'sucking her toes' ... no matter how often you say it.,

No, I don't stalk her.  Learn what that word means.  That is what she says I do, and you have sycophantically tagged along with her on that score.  I am no longer willing to sit idle and do/post nothing (as I did for many years) while Lisa Jones posts what Herbert now politely calls 'fiction' ...........  to attract sympathetic attention which you and cods (and others) fall over yourselves to give her.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:05pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:03pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:58pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? Joan is secretly in love with Lisa. you're just upset because I rejected your advances :D :D Nah you're just upset because I exposed your love for Lisa Jones, Joan. Ever since Aussie knocked you back. Try Greg. you didn't expose anything you fool. Other than your foolishness

Tut tut now you have been exposed.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:58pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? No, you have sucked them "John," and now you have stopped, she is turning, viper like, on you.  I can assure you I am not deluded and, she has never deluded me, even when she was at PA, sucking my toes when I was Admin there.....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history. you're an idiot Aussie, you still stalk her continuously ... my pointing that out to you is not 'sucking her toes' ... no matter how often you say it., No, I don't stalk her.  Learn what that word means.  That is what she says I do, and you have sycophantically tagged along with her on that score.  I am no longer willing to sit idle and do/post nothing (as I did for many years) while Lisa Jones posts what Herbert now politely calls 'fiction' ...........  to attract sympathetic attention which you and cods (and others) fell over yourselves to give her.

you stalk her Aussie ...everytime she makes a comment, you pop up with some dumb comment, usually  trying to catch her out or taking some cheap shot at her.

I'd say get over it, but I think you both enjoy it too much so I'll save my breath.

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:05pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:03pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:58pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? Joan is secretly in love with Lisa. you're just upset because I rejected your advances :D :D Nah you're just upset because I exposed your love for Lisa Jones, Joan. Ever since Aussie knocked you back. Try Greg. you didn't expose anything you fool. Other than your foolishness Tut tut now you have been exposed.

you fantasising again? I've already told you I'm not interested ...

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:11pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:05pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:03pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:58pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:46pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:18pm: including presently, in your direction Mr. Smith, now you have stopped sucking her toes. I've never 'sicked her toes' idiot ... I've always said she is as deluded as you are, however, if she wants to make up stories, that's her prerogative. This is the internet. Who are you to tell her she can't? Joan is secretly in love with Lisa. you're just upset because I rejected your advances :D :D Nah you're just upset because I exposed your love for Lisa Jones, Joan. Ever since Aussie knocked you back. Try Greg. you didn't expose anything you fool. Other than your foolishness Tut tut now you have been exposed. you fantasising again? I've already told you I'm not interested ...

We all know you want to be Lisa's man but she knocked you back why so upset Joan ?

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:13pm:

We all know you want to be Lisa's man but she knocked you back why so upset Joan ?

Judging from the quality of your posts I'm afraid the evidence shows that you don't know much at all..

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:16pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:13pm: We all know you want to be Lisa's man but she knocked you back why so upset Joan ? Judging from the quality of your posts I'm afraid the evidence shows that you don't know much at all..

I know you are attracted to Lisa Jones and therefore have exposed yourself Joan.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:16pm:

Judging from the quality of your posts I'm afraid the evidence shows that you don't know much at all..

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:16pm: Judging from the quality of your posts I'm afraid the evidence shows that you don't know much at all..

I know you are attracted to Lisa Jones and therefore have exposed yourself Joan.

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you stalk her Aussie ...everytime she makes a comment, you pop up with some dumb comment, usually  trying to catch her out or taking some cheap shot at her.

Incorrect, and a simple search of her posts and mine  will demonstrate just how wrong that is Mr. Smith.  You were sucked in by her many PMs and you are slowly having to come to grips with the fact that she duped you, and ......  if it is any consolation, you are by far from the first.  In my case, she never got anywhere near me despite her best efforts.


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I'd say get over it, but I think you both enjoy it too much so I'll save my breath.

Again, incorrect.  I wish I had never encountered her.   My issue is twofold:

1.  She, as Herbert of all people now accepts, posts fiction about her personal life and combines that with 'worldly' advice and a plea for attention.

2.  People who believe she has expertise in Law, physics, maths, HR, middle class domestic violence, the Sydney real estate market (etc.) might actually act to their detriment based on her 'advice.'

It cannot be allowed to stand uncorrected.

Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants.

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants.

Your jealousy of Lisa Jones has been exposed gran.

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31pm: Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants. Your jealousy of Lisa Jones has been exposed gran.

LOL. I pity you Lisa Jones.

You are She is a tragic figure,

She doesn't like me because i'm younger than even her pretend age. Drives you her nuts.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Incorrect, and a simple search of her posts and mine  will demonstrate just how wrong that is Mr. Smith.  You were sucked in by her many PMs and you are slowly having to come to grips with the fact that she duped you, and ......  if it is any consolation, you are by far from the first.  In my case, she never got anywhere near me despite her best efforts.

see, now you're just proving my comment that you are just as deluded as she is. .... many PM's? Where do you get this crap from? I received 10 times as many PM's from you as her ... or at least until I blocked your name from my inbox.

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:34pm: mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31pm: Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants. Your jealousy of Lisa Jones has been exposed gran. LOL. I pity you Lisa Jones. You are She is a tragic figure, She doesn't like me because i'm younger than even her pretend age. Drives you her nuts.

Jealousy is a curse gran.

Why do you need to pretend to be 38 years younger than you were on yahoo where you doted over your grandchildren and celebrated your sons 40th birthday years ago.

I hardly think that qualifies you to be younger than Lisa. ::)

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:40pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:36pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:34pm: mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31pm: Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants. Your jealousy of Lisa Jones has been exposed gran. LOL. I pity you Lisa Jones. You are She is a tragic figure, She doesn't like me because i'm younger than even her pretend age. Drives you her nuts. Jealousy is a curse gran. Why do you need to pretend to be 38 years younger than you were on yahoo where you doted over your grandchildren and celebrated your sons 40th birthday years ago. I hardly think that qualifies you to be younger than Lisa. ::)

See what i mean?

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:41pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:40pm: mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:36pm: He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:34pm: mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31pm: Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants. Your jealousy of Lisa Jones has been exposed gran. LOL. I pity you Lisa Jones. You are She is a tragic figure, She doesn't like me because i'm younger than even her pretend age. Drives you her nuts. Jealousy is a curse gran. Why do you need to pretend to be 38 years younger than you were on yahoo where you doted over your grandchildren and celebrated your sons 40th birthday years ago. I hardly think that qualifies you to be younger than Lisa. ::) See what i mean?

Yes I do, you get upset over Lisa Jones.

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:41pm:

See what i mean?

You could put it on the side of a giant dump truck and run him over with it repeatedly

he still wouldn't see it!

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:29pm: Incorrect, and a simple search of her posts and mine  will demonstrate just how wrong that is Mr. Smith.  You were sucked in by her many PMs and you are slowly having to come to grips with the fact that she duped you, and ......  if it is any consolation, you are by far from the first.  In my case, she never got anywhere near me despite her best efforts. see, now you're just proving my comment that you are just as deluded as she is. .... many PM's? Where do you get this crap from? I received 10 times as many PM's from you as her ... or at least until I blocked your name from my inbox.

Mr Smith...you and I both know that is garbage.  As far as I know, you have not blocked PMs from me.  But, it is no skin off my nose.  Do carry on. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:45pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:41pm: See what i mean? You could put it on the side of a giant dump truck and run him over with it repeatedly he still wouldn't see it!

That's because I would be dead you muppet. :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:06pm: Herb. I can't discuss this topic with you without Master Baiter and Co rushing in to troll. And you sit there laughing???? ::) ::) ::) ::) No - I'm not laughing at you. And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade.

Ah....there you are.

I've been very busy Herbert.

I'd be more than happy to continue this topic with you later on.

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31pm: Don't feed her ego by fighting over her guys. It's precisely what she wants. Your jealousy of Lisa Jones has been exposed gran.

Ignore the nutter. Please He Man?

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:55pm:

.....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history.

That is a big fat fib, aussie.  You were not abused by PA natives because you were silent at all.  Your management skills and competence (well, lack thereof) was certainly questioned.  Why?

You would ban regulars for little or NO reason but usually because you did not like them and yet, all the while, you allowed that lunatic free rein to abuse and lie about members and constantly spam the forum unabated.

Then you would try to interrogate and threaten members based on the say so of that troll.

This present situation/lovefest between you and 'her' was always going to happen it was just a question of when.  Suck it up. 

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: .....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history. That is a big fat fib, aussie.  You were not abused by PA natives because you were silent at all.  Your management skills and competence (well, lack thereof) was certainly questioned.  Why? You would ban regulars for little or NO reason but usually because you did not like them and yet, all the while, you allowed that lunatic free rein to abuse and lie about members and constantly spam the forum unabated. Then you would try to interrogate and threaten members based on the say so of that troll. This present situation/lovefest between you and 'her' was always going to happen it was just a question of when.  Suck it up.

Oi you 2 trolls.

Bugger off.

Take it to Relationships or PA.

Go on...p1$$ off.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:55pm: .....I always kept her at arm's length, as I did here despite hundreds if not more than a thousand PMs.  I was abused by the PA natives because I was silent (and took no action) other than to post that I thought they would have been clever enough to work out there is no joy in kicking a "three legged dog."  I should have listened to them, but that is ancient history. That is a big fat fib, aussie.  You were not abused by PA natives because you were silent at all.  Your management skills and competence (well, lack thereof) was certainly questioned.  Why? You would ban regulars for little or NO reason but usually because you did not like them and yet, all the while, you allowed that lunatic free rein to abuse and lie about members and constantly spam the forum unabated. Then you would try to interrogate and threaten members based on the say so of that troll. This present situation/lovefest between you and 'her' was always going to happen it was just a question of when.  Suck it up.

You can rake over old coals as much as you like.  I've said my piece, but will add that there is not, and has never been, a love fest between me and anyone on these www sites.

You were the one raking over old coals, aussie.  I merely corrected the misinformation you were trying to peddle.

Oi you 2 trolls.

Bugger off.

Take it to Relationships or PA.

Go on...p1$$ off.

Up!

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And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade.

exactly went back 4 pages to over come the trash and crap brigade....to find this comment...

what is it when we get into a serious topic.. along come the PERSONAL BRIGADE who never fail to bring their personal attacks into the thread and before you know it.. pages of "get backs' all of which have been seen before . ::) ::)

news is slow no drownings at sea no heads being chopped off randomly...so lets eat each other..

guess what folks..we  dont care if you hate each other thats your problem....some of us would like to discuss the topic of the thread........not your personal problems..I am amazed FD hast got a board just for personal attacks....where you silly people who havent grown up yet can put all your tread trashing remarks in...it very noticeable its always the same ones...

arent you just a little tired of it or even embarrassed.????.. because you should be.

as for the good old PA being dragged in AGAIN... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:06pm: Herb. I can't discuss this topic with you without Master Baiter and Co rushing in to troll. And you sit there laughing???? ::) ::) ::) ::) No - I'm not laughing at you. And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade. Ah....there you are. I've been very busy Herbert. I'd be more than happy to continue this topic with you later on.

Up!

cods wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

Quote: And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade. exactly went back 4 pages to over come the trash and crap brigade....to find this comment... what is it when we get into a serious topic.. along come the PERSONAL BRIGADE who never fail to bring their personal attacks into the thread and before you know it.. pages of "get backs' all of which have been seen before . ::) ::) news is slow no drownings at sea no heads being chopped off randomly...so lets eat each other.. guess what folks..we  dont care if you hate each other thats your problem....some of us would like to discuss the topic of the thread........not your personal problems..I am amazed FD hast got a board just for personal attacks....where you silly people who havent grown up yet can put all your tread trashing remarks in...it very noticeable its always the same ones... arent you just a little tired of it or even embarrassed.????.. because you should be. as for the good old PA being dragged in AGAIN... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Yep...so true Cods.

And it ALWAYS starts with the SAME serial pest who thinks he was at one time...a lawyer  ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

cods wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:51pm: Quote: And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade. exactly went back 4 pages to over come the trash and crap brigade....to find this comment... what is it when we get into a serious topic.. along come the PERSONAL BRIGADE who never fail to bring their personal attacks into the thread and before you know it.. pages of "get backs' all of which have been seen before . ::) ::) news is slow no drownings at sea no heads being chopped off randomly...so lets eat each other.. guess what folks..we  dont care if you hate each other thats your problem....some of us would like to discuss the topic of the thread........not your personal problems..I am amazed FD hast got a board just for personal attacks....where you silly people who havent grown up yet can put all your tread trashing remarks in...it very noticeable its always the same ones... arent you just a little tired of it or even embarrassed.????.. because you should be. as for the good old PA being dragged in AGAIN... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Yep...so true Cods. And it ALWAYS starts with the SAME serial pest who thinks he was at one time...a lawyer  ::)

it manages to get a mention on every topic...lolol.. but I dont want to hear it on every topic..

aussie need to accept he trolls he does.

its always about him and he is always right...

I have yet to see him stick to the topic...and this is a topic I would like to read others opinions on...but 4 pages later we are still talking about aussie. ::) ::)

cods wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:54pm: cods wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:51pm: Quote: And yes, the White Ants have arrived to flush this thread down the toilet like they do with every other thread they invade. exactly went back 4 pages to over come the trash and crap brigade....to find this comment... what is it when we get into a serious topic.. along come the PERSONAL BRIGADE who never fail to bring their personal attacks into the thread and before you know it.. pages of "get backs' all of which have been seen before . ::) ::) news is slow no drownings at sea no heads being chopped off randomly...so lets eat each other.. guess what folks..we  dont care if you hate each other thats your problem....some of us would like to discuss the topic of the thread........not your personal problems..I am amazed FD hast got a board just for personal attacks....where you silly people who havent grown up yet can put all your tread trashing remarks in...it very noticeable its always the same ones... arent you just a little tired of it or even embarrassed.????.. because you should be. as for the good old PA being dragged in AGAIN... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Yep...so true Cods. And it ALWAYS starts with the SAME serial pest who thinks he was at one time...a lawyer  ::) it manages to get a mention on every topic...lolol.. but I dont want to hear it on every topic.. aussie need to accept he trolls he does. its always about him and he is always right... I have yet to see him stick to the topic...and this is a topic I would like to read others opinions on...but 4 pages later we are still talking about aussie. ::) ::)

I know.

The insufferable fool is presently ruining the English Grammar topic next door....surrounded by females awkwardly posting around him.

Hey Cods, have you noticed that he has NO online male mates to chat to on OzPol?

Twas the same on PA. No male pals.

Says it all really. :-/

Looking at this thread, it's not Aussie who's run it off into a ditch.

And it's not him doing it now.

Anyway Cods....I was waiting for Herb to pull up a chair so we could continue our discussion.

It seems he's not going to turn up.

Ahh well, never mind, at least I had the chance to briefly chat to you  :)

mothra wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

Looking at this thread, it's not Aussie who's run it off into a ditch. And it's not him doing it now.

perhaps you should take a peek at reply 80...and thats the beginning...I am not saying he is alone...but??? its every thread mothra...he likes the control and he leads the attacks if he can.. lisa bites she always does and he knows it...thats why he attacks always the achilles heel..
havent you noticed?.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Anyway Cods....I was waiting for Herb to pull up a chair so we could continue our discussion. It seems he's not going to turn up. Ahh well, never mind, at least I had the chance to briefly chat to you  :)

I find this topic sad so sad and would love for us to come up with the answers to stopping it...I cant bear the thought of these children being abused it sends chills through me...because I kn ow its going on RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT...as a society we all own this we really do...

I would kn ow if one of my family were abusing one of their children  I WOULD KNOW... I would not stand for it..

this child was 7 years old... where was his extended family.. why did they not remove him...

I ask that question all the time..I have never seren where a member of the dead childs family was ever charged with not doing a thing about it..

I kn ow reporting it to DOCS lets a lot of people off the hook so to speak...but it wouldnt be enough for me....we have to change things we do...

domestic violence must be changed to FAMILY VIOLENCE....if mum and dad cant get on then the children become the victims dont they...

cods wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 5:06pm: Looking at this thread, it's not Aussie who's run it off into a ditch. And it's not him doing it now. perhaps you should take a peek at reply 80...and thats the beginning...I am not saying he is alone...but??? its every thread mothra...he likes the control and he leads the attacks if he can.. lisa bites she always does and he knows it...thats why he attacks always the achilles heel.. havent you noticed?.

I don't know how to properly respond to that, but given you chose to take a swipe at me ~ What Achille's heel?   

Now that's what I'm talking about - right there!  All this internecine fighting and failure to address the issues raised....

I reckon bring back the death penalty for losers - men and women - who kill kids..... and dire punishment on the rack for those who neglect and abuse them.....