Post by innocentbystander. on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:20pm
What racist bastard would want to stop hundreds of millions of these fine chaps from entering the country?
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Title: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm
'..........restoring border security is the only truly compassionate thing to do.'
That is part of what this Jesuit Priest wannabe failure and tossed out PM told some Thatcher Conservative devotees in the last 24 hours. Compassionate! Compassionate for whom you ferking failure of a human being???? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Setanta on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:18pm Aussie wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Never heard of Compassionate Conservatives? Quote:
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:21pm Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Only when its an oxymoron |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:32pm Aussie wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
For us, only a ferking failure for a human being would bring in the trash or are you blind to whats happening in the real world dodo. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by innocentbystander. on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:20pm
What racist bastard would want to stop hundreds of millions of these fine chaps from entering the country?
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:50pm innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:20pm:
Certainly not Mr Abbott. He was our Jobs Prime Minister. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by The Grappler on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:16am Karnal wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:50pm:
.. and Infrastructure.... don't forget infrastructure... |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by The Mechanic on Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:40am innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:20pm:
where are all the Females?? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:05am
More compassionate for the asylum seekers because they don't die at sea. More compassionate for Navy personnel who don't have to pull dead women and children from the sea.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:11am Aussie wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
800 deaths under Labor and not a word from the left-wing trendies. Compassion eh! |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:20am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:11am:
Most conservative estimates put the death toll under Labor at more than 1,000. The idiotic Left don't really care that much until it's a Coalition government in office. Look what happened with that arsewipe Triggs, who only discovered kids in detention AFTER Abbott became PM. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:22am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:05am:
not forgetting how they deliberately sink the boats even though they dont have lifejackets until our Navy hand them out...along with the exploding ones.where I am sure we are still looking out for those who lived after the last one..some folks have short memories... dont they?. they also forget the many many missing numbers we will never know those boats never had a manifest did they?... ::) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:34am cods wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:22am:
I take pride in housing, clothing and freeing those good people from war and oppression and being compassionate enough to give them the same start in life we take for granted. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:04am Its time wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:34am:
So does this government. What they won't accept is people picking and choosing where they go and attempting to blackmail the government into taking them. Coalition governments dictate who they will and will not allow into the country, whereas Labor governments let the people smugglers and illegal immigrants dictate terms to them. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:21am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:04am:
they are rebuilding WALLS across Europe the people smugglers are making millions...if its just left to carry on unheeded what will be the eventual result????.... a mass exodus from war torn countries that are left to the the ARMIES who will just kill anything that stands in its way..... is that really what the dogooders want???? Nth Africa would be one huge mass of violent armies kill or be killed. >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Dame Pansi on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:23am
A few scum bag Thatcher lovers would listen to him, that's about it.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Kytro on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:25am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 6:05am:
There is not a shred of evidence that Abbott's policy has saved a single life. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:52am Kytro wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:25am:
Deaths at sea under Labor - more than 1,100 (probably much higher). Deaths at sea under Coalition - 0. You just got owned, son! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Muttley on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:55am Setanta wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Never heard of honest Labrats? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Muttley on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:56am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:23am:
I guess its better than a few bugger up labrats listening to Bull Shitten. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:03am Muttley wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:56am:
The left are still smarting from how swiftly Abbott was able to stop the boats and stop the drownings at sea. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:49am innocentbystander. wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 11:20pm:
Not many women in that photo. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:52am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:03am:
seeing as how they spent 6 years and got us into billions in debt trying to achieve just THAT... makes you laugh really doesnt it??....they dont even see the irony it their lamentable Malaysian deal.... ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:56am cods wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:52am:
I'd laugh except for the fact that Labor and the Greens got more than 1,100 people killed due to their incompetence. So much for Rudd's more humane solution. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:57am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:52am:
We don’t know that, Armpit. The bulk of the boats and drownings were after the Greens and Libs blocked the Malaysian Processing Centre. Greens and Libs have blood on their hands. Libs also making life hell on earth for people fleeing prosecution. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:00am Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:57am:
The boats had stopped coming under Howard. Hadn't been a boat in 2 years or so when Howard lost the election to Rudd. Labor and the Greens restarted them and put people smugglers back in business. Coalition has no blood on its hands whatsoever - it's ALL on Labor and Greens. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Honky on Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:39am President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 5:40am:
They ARE the females. You dont even wanna see the men. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:47am cods wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:52am:
Yes, dear, but Mr Abbott doesn't see the irony in his opposition to the Malaysia deal in favour of Nauru. Remember? He said Malaysia was unsafe for refugees. Now they're getting raped left, right and centre on Nauru. It's getting so bad they're flying them here for treatment. Only Mr Abbott can stop the boats, dear. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:52am
No one seems to have zeroed in on the new element Abbott introduced into his policy......
"'..........restoring border security is the only truly compassionate thing to do." That is an addition to the hollow stop the boats. He is saying that a great wall of china needs to be built to protect borders and that, he says, is what is truly compassionate! |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by crocodile on Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:59am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:23am:
The only thing he has in common with Thatcher is the way he was flicked by his own party. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:02am Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 9:47am:
Malaysia was deemed unsafe due to corporal punishment that existed in their detention centres, among other issues. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:40am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:02am:
rubbish ... malaysia was deemed unsafe because it wasn't a signatory to the UN refugee convention. Labors deal with malaysia had safeguards built in to protect the asylum seekers.. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mariacostel on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:18am Kytro wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:25am:
Thats a pretty silly thing to say. No one drowned under Abbott while 100 did under Rudd/Gillard. That's a pretty powerful argument that his policies saved lives. In fact, it is so powerful that you need to make an argument to dispute it. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mariacostel on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:20am John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:40am:
They were going to take only 800 from us in a year that 20,000 arrived. AND we had to take 4000 of theirs. It was a pointlessly stupid idea. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:33am mariacostel wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:20am:
it wasn't pointless and it wasn't stupid. How many asylum seekers arrived once they knew they were going to Nauru? typical rightards .. when they are in govt. they believe the senate should be stripped of their power and they should be allowed to govern, for better or worse, and the voters decide on election day ... when labor is in govt. they believe they have to block everything, even legislation they themselves require for their own policies :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:35am mariacostel wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:18am:
really? no one drowned or perhaps their cone of silence meant you don't know if they drowned? Also,If you prevent them from getting a boat to Australia, and leave them no option but to get a boat to Greece, and they drown, do those drownings not count? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mariacostel on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:43am John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:35am:
They are not getting a boat to Greece, you ignoramus. Do you know where Greece is???? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Muttley on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:43am John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Yes you are correct, for once. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:47am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 10:02am:
They were not to be housed in detention centres, Armchair. Nauru and Manus Island are now both deemed unsafe due to rape, assault, and problems with the natives. And not just deemed, proven. One guy's dead, two women are in hospital in Australia for being raped. And over a hundred children are still in detention, going nowhere. If you don't support Malaysia, how could you support Nauru and Manus island? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:52am mariacostel wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:43am:
Good on you for resurrecting the idiot post. You're thinking of some clever alternatives to the word idiot, no? If you don't mind me saying, it looks as if you're being extra careful to avoid it. Good to see, dear. It adds so much to the debate. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:58am mariacostel wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:43am:
not real bright are you? If they can't come to Australia then their only real option is to head to Europe .... have you figured it out yet? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:30pm John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:35am:
You've been watching far too much Maxwell Smart. Then again, maybe you haven't because if you had, you'd know that the cone of silence was a failure - it didn't work! |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Armchair_Politician on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:32pm John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:58am:
Why Europe? What's wrong with Turkey or Jordan or Lebanon or Israel or Saudi Arabia? Why do they have to cross 8-10 countries to get to Germany? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mariacostel on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
Not to mention Africa, the Americas and Asia. They are all safer than where they come from but wait... they are economic refugees which is why you see millions of men and the occassional woman and child. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:02pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
see, the libs are exactly like 'control' ... both come up with dumb policies that fail that's because the liberal party has based their organsiation around that of 'control' |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:03pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
you go to those countries if you like them. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm mariacostel wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
The Americas? so you have no problem with them getting on leaky boats after all ? :D :D :D Africa? and move from one hellhole to another? Asia? which Asian country recognises the rights of refugees? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mariacostel on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:04pm John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm:
If you are supposedly 'running from death' how good does a place have to be to be better? And that is the point, isn't it? These 'refugees' are targetting not simply better countries or even good countries. They want the BEST which is why they are wanting to come to australia or western europe or north america. How many are lining up to go to russia or anywhere in asia or india? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:08pm
That's right - the best. Living indefinitely in UNHCR tents with no income or supplies is clearly not good enough for them.
Ban them. Send them back to Syria. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by skippy. on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:38pm
Of course Abbott has great insight and judgement, that is why he was dumped by his own party and shunned by anyone with an IQ over 50. I see we still have one or two here arguing his case, don't be too hard on them, most of them are born philistines.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Hornet on Oct 30th, 2015 at 10:35am
Rhetoric of Tony Abbott and Tony Blair is morally bereft
October 30, 2015 - 12:33AM Waleed Aly How is it a moral result that Lebanon takes something equivalent to a quarter of its population, while Australia congratulates itself for taking 12,000 people? There's something about seeing a former prime minister attempting to defend or rehabilitate a legacy. Something about the relentless grinding out of well-rehearsed arguments in the hope that this time they will finally strike the audience, like some revelatory lightning bolt. But the result is so often perverse; every re-statement, every elaboration seems only to heighten the sense of parody, revealing anew why there's a legacy in need of rehabilitation. It's a spectacle we've witnessed twice this week in the forms of Tony Blair and Tony Abbott. To be sure, there are differences. Blair's intervention took the form of an apology; Abbott's a kind of unapology. Blair is apparently pre-empting the impending result of an almost certainly damning inquiry; Abbott is tending to his fresh wounds for his own reasons, rather than because of some urgent external demand. But at bottom, both men carry an albatross: in Blair's case a catastrophic foreign policy blunder, and in Abbott's case a thoroughgoing political failure. "I can say that I apologise for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong," began Blair when asked – again – about his decision to invade Iraq. Immediately he revealed what sort of an apology this wasn't, apologising for the most passive thing imaginable: receiving something. "Sorry, MI6 stuffed up", is the most direct translation. Elsewhere, he admitted to "mistakes in planning and, certainly, our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you removed the regime". But even so, he remained resolutely unapologetic for "removing Saddam" on the basis that "today, in 2015, it is better that he's not there than that he is there". All of which raises the question: why, then, are you apologising? These "mistakes" and "misunderstandings" are doing an awesome amount of heavy lifting here. To begin with, they're lifting the hundreds of thousands of bodies that belong to dead Iraqi civilians and, of course, coalition soldiers. They're also lifting the burden of IS (which Blair accepts is, at least in part, a creation of the Iraq invasion) and the increased regional influence of Iran. Frankly, it's a hell of a whoopsie. Too big, really, to explain how such a momentous decision was made on such inadequate intelligence, and certainly too big to explain how so much expert advice to the contrary was so gleefully ignored. But a whoopsie it simply must be because it's the only way Blair can keep any semblance of his legacy intact. The alternative is to admit the more grotesque allegations against him: that he either lied or manipulated his way into a predictably disastrous war, sacrificing countless lives in the process (literally – we refuse to count them). So, to admit to certain well-intentioned mistakes, and apologise for the failures of other people, is really to change the subject. Blair's aim here is not to come clean, but to wash away the intractable moral questions that will forever plague him. Abbott's Margaret Thatcher Lecture seems to present an opposite problem. In spruiking his asylum seekers policies to the world, he's not rehashing a losing argument, but perhaps his only winning one. And yet Abbott's speech, by taking those policies beyond the parochial outpost of Australia and thrusting them before Europe, seems only to have exposed their limitations. "The only way to dissuade people seeking to come from afar is not to let them in," he declared as thousands fleeing the civil war in Syria flood into Europe. Anything less than turning boats around would make Europe "a facilitator rather than a deterrent" of people smuggling. But there's a reason this argument, which is utterly mainstream in Australia, tends only to win fans like UKIP's Nigel Farage in Britain. What it offers is not a solution at all, but instead a determination to opt out of a solution. That much becomes clear when you think through the implications of Abbott's prescription. European turnbacks could only mean millions of people piling up in places like Lebanon and Turkey. Indeed, the basis of Abbott's argument is that these people reach Europe via other countries to which they've already fled, and are therefore, by definition, economic migrants rather than refugees fleeing a war zone. But unless Abbott wants to argue explicitly that the burden of the Syrian catastrophe must fall disproportionately on these countries, they remain just as sovereign as us, and can therefore assert a right to seal their own borders, too In fact, every nation can make a similar claim, leaving only one ultimate consequence: that those fleeing Syria are hemmed right back into the war zone they're fleeing. [continued next post] |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Hornet on Oct 30th, 2015 at 10:38am
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That makes the ultimate mockery of any "deaths at sea" reasoning. But it also raises one of the most ignored questions in the asylum-seeker drama: why should the weight of refugee protection be carried by those nations least equipped to handle it? How is it a moral result that Lebanon takes something equivalent to a quarter of its population, while Australia congratulates itself for taking 12,000 people? How is it "heroic" (to borrow Farage's assessment) to advocate that instead of nations like ours doing something more proportionate, Europe simply lock its gates and let the human debris fall where it may? The answer lies somewhere in Abbott's warning of a "tide of humanity surging through Europe and quite possibly changing it forever". Whether such numbers will change, say, Turkey in a similar way is unanswered and, it seems, irrelevant. And if that's so, we're left with the clear implication that only Europe (and, I suppose, Australia) is worthy of such preservation. That's the kind of conclusion you tend to reach when your response is really to shift the problem elsewhere. And that kind of reasoning seems solid on an island like ours with a political culture that mostly ignores arcane matters like foreign affairs. But it's also the kind of conclusion you reach when, deep down, the actual lives of people in far off lands barely feature in your moral calculus. And that way lies just about every transgression for which you'll never feel any need to apologise. Even, say, the most scantily justified war. ****smh.com.au/comment/wellrehearsed-rhetoric-still-falling-on-deaf-ears-as-tonys-seek-to-touch-new-audiences-20151028-gklcmh.html#ixzz3q0Top2Lg |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by The Grappler on Oct 30th, 2015 at 10:52am
If you were fleeing persecution and death - wouldn't you want to go to a country which is FarFarAway (that's why it's called that, Don-kay!) from all that, and which has a fair and decent population generally, who won't hate on you and treat you like scum and in which your children can prosper with work and effort?
My great-great-grandparents all did just that.... from Ireland, Scotland and Germany...... Aye - remember the '49..... |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:02am mariacostel wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
if you are going to leave your homeland, your friends and everything and everyone you've ever known, wouldn't you head for the best alternative? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:19am Hornet wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 10:38am:
Exactly. And this is just what Abbott is arguing. Europe will destroy itself if it takes in refugees - the responsibility is all Lebanon and Turkey's. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 12:55pm
Barrie Cassidy has also latched on to Abbott's new dogma ~ that closing borders is the only truly compassionate thing to do. Fairbloodydinkum.....how did that inhumane Jesuit scum ever get where he did?
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:01pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:02am:
No Fords....try thinking before you press that post button. You'd just get out. Anywhere safer is BETTER. You're not in any position to sit back and choose your BEST option. It's a matter of survival. ::) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:18pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:01pm:
whats FORD (apart from a crap car)? Who says they're not in a position to choose? if they can make their way here, they're obviously in a position to choose. Just because you think they should do what YOU want :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:21pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:18pm:
Christ Almighty....Maria's right about you. You're full of cr@p....irrespective of the many pathetic transparent nics you post with. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:28pm
go away idiot ... I'm starting to think Aussie is right about you!
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 30th, 2015 at 4:55pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 1:18pm:
It not a matter of their choice alone. No country is obliged to settle anyone permanently, whether they are refugees or not. These migrants are not members of the European Union so by law they do not get choose where they settle. The countries that agree to settle them will ultimately decide, not the migrants. And no European country can settle this many migrant per year. The flow will not stop by itself. It will have to be stopped by Europeans. CLosing their borders is the only way to stop the flow. It must be done and will be done. Austria will be the next to build a fence on its Slovenian border. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:07pm Karnal wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
these are the ones that are NOT banned karmal...the ones living in real camps they are not the ones who are wearing the latest sneakers thank you... if your home town was invaded by lets say a bikie gang that came in took over every house that happened to be empty of people at the time.... looked at you and your neighbours and said.. right now feed me and clothe me and my kids...I am m oving in like it or not... to bad if I hav e a disease none of your business...do I have money or papers none of your business....I am here get used to it.. ::) ::) would that be alright with you????..... we are talking about a LOT of people...not thousands hundreds of thousands... ::) ::) where do you say STOP....or dont you? once people think its their right to move in and take over... then it soon becomes the norm. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by darkhall67 on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:14pm Look at these well dressed refugees. One's even got a bloody violin for chrissakes. Send em back. Can't be REAL refugees. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:28pm
Cods,
The ones in the tents are unsustainable. The homeless refugees in Lebanon now make up a third of the population. Forgetting food and supplies, the demand on water, sewerage and electricity is overwhealming. Where do you say stop? When people are evacuating a war zone, you don’t. You assist every single person, just as the aid agencies and UNHCR are trying to do. It’s currently beyond them. Two to three million people have evacuated, and there are more to come. Thousands are without shelter, and now the Winter is setting in. It’s not as if Europe is unfamiliar with this. Two world wars saw more displaced people than all of human history. We placed a few of them ourselves. Some went home, some stayed for good. Sending people back into a war zone because this might offend Australians on the other side of the world is not an option. Mind you, that’s just what Australia did to one Syrian who tried to come here on a boat - onto a plane to Damascus with a bit of pocket money. He made it home to find his father dead and the house bombed. Luckily, he made it out in one piece. He’s Turkey’s problem now, dear. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:30pm Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 4:55pm:
actually, they are if they've signed the refugee convention making them so ... The libs can pull out of that convention anytime they like ... why don't they? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:44pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
Probably leaving it to Labor. They are the stars at legislating measures to prevent country shoppers, after all, their rusted on base won't complain about them taking measures that would be unthinkable to them if LNP tried it. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:45pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
of course they leave it to labor, the libs won't do anything that doesn't involve lining their donors pockets. ALL worthwhile policy comes from labor |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:51pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:45pm:
Yes, I agree totally with mandatory detention, excising the mainland, country shoppers who arrive by boat never to be settled in Australia, not allowed to work and no dole. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:54pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
Of course you will now quote that part of the bullshit convention that makes a country obliged to settle country shoppers permanently. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:12pm Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
800 odd deaths under Labor and not a word from the left-wing trendies. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:14pm Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:28pm:
well dear as you know we all sees things differently....what WAR ZONE are you talking about specifically... do you have fool proof proof they are all from a WAR ZONE>. and why do I not see you calling for the FAMOUS UN to bring to a halt WARs???... ::) ::) just asking. if as you say some went home... imagine the imbalance on the planet if they hadnt???.. ::) imagine the imbalance in the future...if what we are seeing is mainly fine strong YOUNG men..leaving WAR torn countries and fleeing to countries that will take CARE OF THEM.. bugger the ones left b ehind to either hopefully live through the WAR.. and then live to repair the damage.. ooops wait a minute wont they be mostly aged females....maybe a few young kids that couldnt make the journey years before you forget dear that Europe was mostly involved in those two WARS you quote......this time its the ARABS. that are killing each other....maybe you havent n oticed but other ARAB countries have refuse to assist any of these "WAR TORN" refugees you are concerned about... you support them all you like I have no quarrel with that... its just you seem to forget about those in the camps as if they dont matter... do you not believe we should be doing more to make their countries safe and livable.. than to be opening borders where eventually some countries will be like living in an ants nest.,one on top of the other whilst other countries will be almost empty except for the bandits >:(.. dont forget once we thought we had the right answer for resettling the Jews.... people should be safe in their own countries.... that gets my vote.... not saying heres a new lot for you get used to it... btw you didnt answer my question.just sayin |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:15pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Oh....so...is that a concession (finally) that Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders had nothing to do with saving people from drowning, and all to do with simply putting up an impregnable wall to keep the tinted bastards out? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:16pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
you mean more like 1100 dont you... and shhhhhhhhhh they dont like being reminded.. and bazza never did ask anyone about those did he?? must have slipped his mind. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:17pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Of course not, it was on their watch. "Tragedies happen, accidents happen". Children in mandatory detention were never a problem so long as Labor mandated the detention and locked up the children. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:19pm Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
I credit Rudd with stopping the drownings. As do many prominent luvvies when they forget themselves. There's your impregnable wall. Never ever resettled. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:20pm Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Simply pointing out the hypocrisy. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:23pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Incorrect. Many left-wing trendies, including me, have condemned Labor for their asylum seeker policies. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:23pm:
A few years too late. It was only after a few of us hounded you for a few years did you change. Eat it. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:26pm Quote:
What hypocrisy? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:26pm :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:27pm Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:26pm:
Oh.....I'd love to see that!!!! |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:29pm cods wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:16pm:
No, he means 800 odd. The official figure is around 862. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:30pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:25pm:
Incorrect. We condemned them at the time it was happening. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:32pm Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:26pm:
Re-read reply 69. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:30pm:
Liar. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:30pm:
We? I will do a favourite luvvie trick and ask, who else? Name names and times. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:34pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:32pm:
Re-read reply 78. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:34pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:32pm:
Incorrect. I only deal in the truth. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:39pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:33pm:
Me. Many times. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:43pm mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:39pm:
Find me a post of you condemning country shoppers policy when Gillard was in. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:43pm Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:34pm:
I have. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:44pm mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:39pm:
What name did you go under before Mothra? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:44pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:43pm:
Would you like her to fetch your pipe and slippers too, Mistie? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:51pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
Mothra is the only name i've had here. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:52pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:43pm:
I wasn't a member of this forum then. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:52pm
You
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:44pm:
You have yet to address the "we". The call of the collective, or more like a whine. Labor has legislated all of the legislation that disadvantages country shoppers and the hypocrites and the clowns of the left barely raised a whisper. It was their own team you see. Tragedies happen. Accidents happen. The siren call and signature of political hypocrisy. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:54pm
That Tony isnt a very good christian is he , love thy neighbour , as long as he is white :D
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:58pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:52pm:
Are you sure you want to run with that narrative ? If Tony didnt stop the boats that means he achieved precisely NOTHING in 2 years as PM. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:58pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:52pm:
Well, I don't have to do anything. However, mothra has already admitted to condemning Labor, along with me. John smith did so back in the day too, I think. Possibly Bam and Kat as well, and there were certainly several others. I know you find it hard to understand that not everybody is a rusted on supporter of one political party, supporting every single policy they release, however, that just demonstrates how narrow-minded you are. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:59pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:54pm:
do your own homework |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:01pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:32pm:
stop making crap up mistie .... it's unbecoming |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:05pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:59pm:
Hahahah, you have been googling all this time and come up with nothing. Your claim, your homework. Gotta give you an F for that I am afraid. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:09pm
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:58pm:
Nothing to do with being rusted on, everything to do an assertion made that can be easily demonstrated.......but nuffin. You clowns were mute when it was your own team presiding over drownings, locking up children, and legislating never ever and mandatory detention, the no work and the no dole. No sea of hands when Labor was in. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:12pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Incorrect. Many of us condemned them. Your selective memory is doing you no favours. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:13pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
google is your friend. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:13pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Not true. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:14pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Sadly we require you provide some proof , now we all know how the righties struggle with the facts and bend the truth equivocally but we need to hold you to account with some actual transcripts of previous interactions . |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:15pm Quote:
So...that's the end of that then, eh? Rubbish. Abbott wants to put up the shield to keep the tinted bastards out....it is a simple and obvious as that. I have never heard any other politician from either side make it as plain as Abbott did when he gave that speech in the UK. Fortress Australia...and he wants the Europeans to do the same, because it is the only truly compassionate thing to do. Ferk him big time. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:18pm
So off you Secret . See if you can find them :)
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:30pm Its time wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Heheheh, luvvies claim that they protested Labors actions, none can provide any proof they did, and your response is to ask me to prove they didn't? You are a genuine idiot, and I don't say that often. Your retarded post was barely worth my addressing it's stupidity. You should have said nothing cos you demonstrated what a moron you are. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:32pm mothra wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:13pm:
A complete lie, in fact. What else would one expect, though? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:33pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:40pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
Yes its a long and distinguished list that call me a nice person , but thankyou for compliment , you're to kind :), sadly i cant let you off the hook despite bestowing me with that privileged title , sadly we still need some rock solid evidence , how about those links , off ya go good buddy :) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:40pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:42pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
Utterly irrelevant to this Thread which exposes Abbott for the real and genuine inhumane prick the lousy little Jesuit failure is. He is a flake, always was a flake and ever will be a flake....a bigotted shell of a man with zero pulse. He is someone who would sit idly by while a child died within his physical arm reach if that child was not Australian and just an inch beyond our border. It is, you see, the only truly compassionate thing to do for that child. What a turd he really is. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:00pm cods wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 8:52am:
But the boats stopped under Tony didn't they ? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:16pm
800 dead under Labor and not a whimper. Some humanitarians yous are.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:18pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:16pm:
Liar. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:19pm
We're waiting for evidence, peccyboy.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:20pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
Liar. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Culture Warrior on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:23pm
No, I am really am waiting for the evidence.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:24pm Liar. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:16pm:
It was awful but we got 50k through the front door , not raped got a better standard of living and didnt have live through yet another conservative replublican bombing campaign that claimed half a billllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllion innocents, will be enjoying some nice halal delicasies at neighbours house 2mrw night. Can't wait , thanks Labor :) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Jovial Monk on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:36pm
What we lost:
In her place we got a thug and now a mechant banker who is worse than the thug. The Malaysian Centre would have stopped the boats and drownings, the blame lies with the Libs and Greens. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2015 at 10:59pm Its time wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
Don’t offend Mistie. He does have rights, you know. He’s been using that line for at least 4 years. He learned it at the uni. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:08pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:10pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:10pm Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 10:59pm:
Who the hell is mistie ? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:14pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:15pm
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:17pm He Man wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:10pm:
Our resident janitor, that still leaves the gravy stains on the bowl , one of low moral character |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:19pm Its time wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:08pm:
Good point. Mistie always praised Mr Abbott for that one. Why should the lefties be the only ones to pay the broads off? Why shouldn’t Mr Abbott put some cash down their knickers? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:20pm Its time wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:17pm:
Sounds like a muslim. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:29pm
I love multiculturism , could you imagine not having nips coons jungle bunnies and mussies, a wealth of culture and experience, I can spot a redneck bellend within a few sentences, must be getting impatient in my old age , it's a simple your not going to work out on my team its for the best you move on.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:33pm Its time wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:29pm:
You're post is incoherent. I could imagine multiculturalism without muslims easy they are just members of a sick ideology. No culture at all. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:34pm Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:19pm:
He is representing |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:44pm Its time wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:34pm:
O wish he's just go away. The more he continues to get a platform the more we are laughed at by the rest of the world. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:45pm
Groan ::)
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:05am
Now now, leftards, the legacy’s looking good. A tweet of Mr Abbott in the fire truck last week, and now this black tie speech in London.
I’ll bet we get some fine snaps of Mr Abbott in his speedos over Summer. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:12am
.... and lycra. Don't forget the lycra.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:15am He Man wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 11:10pm:
Culture Warrior. And, Postmodern Trendoid. He has several socks. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:18am
Maybe he can advertise things on it now.
Buy more coal. Eat McDonalds. Smoke more ciggies. It’ll make a change from axing, stopping and scrapping things, no? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am
Buy more coal is a particularly good suggestion.
He's being all compassionate to the poor coal mining companies. They have taken a hit lately. And we know how important it is for Mr, Abbott to be compassionate. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:31am
Every little bit helps, Mother. I’d like to see the asbestos industry make a comeback. I wonder how much Mr Abbott’s bicycle shorts would cost.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:37am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:15am:
Mistie always looks so busy in this photo, Greggery. He must have a hygeine class to get to. Open your textbooks to the lavatories section, please. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:46am mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:12am:
Well done Mr Abbott you get this years Logie Award for making leftards cry and sook the most. Thank you Mr Abbott |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:47am Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:37am:
Your pretend friend mistie must be a muslim. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by The Grappler on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:47am mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am:
Don't forget trickle down - there's always trickle down and massive social benefit for all as a result..... Allow me to make a billion dollars and I guarantee you at least ten.. dollars... |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by The Grappler on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:48am mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am:
Don't forget trickle down - there's always trickle down and massive social benefit for all as a result..... Allow me to make a billion dollars and I guarantee you at least ten.. dollars... Is there such a thing as a Longie Award? Never heard of that.... but he's that good. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:37am
page flip ..
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:38am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:48am:
Actually its jobs for Australians and good paying ones. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:06am John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
Bollocks, cazzo. The Refugee Convention doesn't cover settlement and signing it obliges no-one to settle refugees permanently. Settlement is a matter of migration and the Refugee Convention doesn't dictate to its signatory countries what kind of migration policy they must have. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:09am Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:06am:
yes Soren, you are right ... I was talking about temporary settlement |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:33am
Abbott was absolutely right in his speech. And looking at who hates him for telling the truth just confirms how right he is.
Refugee advocates do more harm than good THE AUSTRALIAN OCTOBER 31, 2015 12:00AM Refugee advocates and other green-Left activists will say and do anything to inflame emotions and inject political acrimony into the border protection debate. Their sanctimony eclipses their respect for the facts. They protest and denounce their government as heartless. They tweet about the racism and selfishness of their fellow Australians. They denounce Nauru and Papua New Guinea in terms that, in other debates, would be deemed patronising if not racist (Radio National commentator Paul Bongiorno this week referred to Nauru as a “prison island aka a guano heap”). Five years ago, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young (who is one of the secular saints of this brigade) issued a press release about the unfolding tragedy of an asylum-seeker boat crashing against the rocks of Christmas Island (48 were killed) and a few hours later tweeted about watching a band at a pub. This is moral slacktivism writ large. Another in this communion is Melbourne lawyer Julian Burnside, whose words summarise the twisted politics and derisory view of others within this group. “Stop the Boats policy causes terrible harm to boat people and Australia’s reputation,” tweeted Burnside, “but harnesses xenophobia for political gain.” It would be difficult to conjure a more superficial view of a serious problem or a more miserable misreading of our national culture. These compassionistas are not harmless. Back in 2008 Labor and the Greens bowed to the humanitarian hubris and abolished Australia’s strong border protection measures. This triggered a people-smuggling revival, leading to 1200 deaths as more than 800 boats and 50,000 asylum-seekers crossed dangerous waters. A similar but greater tragedy has unfolded in Europe this year — more than 700,000 asylum-seekers have arrived in the EU, mainly via Mediterranean crossings, and more than 3000 have died. Yet even after seeing what unfolded on our shores, the compassionistas cheer them on. When Tony Abbott spoke in London this week about this diabolical dilemma — how open borders could lure tens of millions from South Asia, North Africa and the Middle East — the response was hateful. Abbott talked frankly about how protecting refugees and making their homelands safe was the only sustainable solution. He warned that welcoming unlimited numbers of refugees and economic migrants could undermine the very qualities that make European nations desirable destinations. This is what serious politicians need to do — explain hard choices. “This is so utterly appalling, Tony Abbott,” tweeted human rights lawyer Sarah Joseph. Former Liberal, Democrats and WikiLeaks party member Greg Barns tweeted about “Abbott’s racist rant”. The greatest chutzpah came from Kevin Rudd’s former press secretary, Lachlan Harris, with “What a very small man.” Never mind that Rudd’s policies, designed to appear generous and worldly, actually delivered misery and death. By referencing the Christian ethos of “love thy neighbour” Abbott opened himself up to a simplistic morality play. The ABC’s Julia Baird suggested this maxim should be applied in an “unlimited” fashion. Fairfax Media’s Waleed Aly said Abbott’s approach was the kind reached when “deep down, the actual lives of people in far-off lands barely feature in your moral calculus”. This moral superiority is coming from people who advocate policies that inevitably lead to chaos, criminal smuggling operations and innocent deaths. Taken to its logical extension, the unrestrained compassion urged by such commentators would be the ruin of Europe with the influx of millions of dependent people. And it would surrender the countries from which people are fleeing — Syria, Libya, Nigeria, Somalia, Afghanistan and others — to barbarous vandals and dysfunction. This approach wouldn’t show much love to your neighbours in Hamburg, Milan or Amsterdam, nor would it do much for your neighbours left behind in Aleppo, Tripoli or Kabul. Politicians have to make decisions and implement policies that will protect and enhance the lives of their constituents. When they are successful they can — as Western countries such as ours always do — extend generosity beyond their shores through aid and other support and through generous immigration programs. To hatefully condemn people who deal in these realities as somehow morally inferior is, in fact, an act of prejudiced immorality and hypocrisy. If the compassionistas had their way, tens of thousands more in Australia would be in detention, hundreds more would have died and we could not possibly have agreed to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria. The slacktivists excel in smugness and in vitriol thrown at their opponents but they have no real arguments or solutions. When it comes to outcomes, all the results come from the actions of those such as Abbott, Scott Morrison, Julie Bishop and Peter Dutton (and let’s give credit to the belated endorsements from the ALP leadership) who are prepared to soak up unconscionable abuse to run effective policy. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:33am
Last week in Nauru, I came face to face with those who pay the human price for strong border protection. An Iranian widow cried as she explained her thwarted hopes for her adult son, while he sat between us translating her torment. There was Syrian father Jafar and his five stranded sons, and many others.
We understand boatpeople deliberately tried to buy their way in while others wait forlornly for assigned humanitarian places but we all understand their motivation. None of us could blame anyone from seeking a better life in Australia. But such feelings of empathy have never been in dispute and don’t provide answers. The issue is how to resolve the dilemma. The refugees stuck on Nauru and Manus Island are the price we pay for sending a strong signal to the smugglers and potential customers. It is incredibly tough, but the policy outcome is crucial, fair and, ultimately, compassionate. What those refugees need is permanent resettlement places, somewhere. And the tragic paradox is that the best option effectively has been killed off by the posturing of the compassionistas. John Howard’s Pacific Solution was made to look and sound tougher than it actually was because in reality, of the 1153 asylum-seekers resettled from Nauru and Manus Island between 2001 and 2008, about 30 per cent went home, 30 per cent to other countries (mainly New Zealand) and 40 per cent came to Australia. Yes, most of them got to Australia or New Zealand. Critically, this generous outcome was kept quiet so that it wouldn’t encourage more smuggling. But later, to score political points and justify their rejection of offshore processing, opponents put it all up in lights. “The truth about the Pacific Solution,” Rudd said in the 2013 election campaign, “is that 70 per cent, thereabouts, of those people sent by Mr Howard to Nauru and elsewhere as part of the Pacific Solution, used it as a weigh station and within a couple of years were in Australia anyway.” This was part of a deliberate campaign to discredit the Pacific Solution. Ideally, Australia would, again, gradually and quietly, resettle most of the refugees in Nauru and Manus Island on our shores. This would be compassionate and cost effective. And if no one made a song and dance about it, Operation Sovereign Borders wouldn’t be compromised. But in the present climate of confected hysteria, this can’t happen; the compassionistas have made it impossible. Finding third country options is the critical task — and it is not proceeding well. So refugees will bide their time in the offshore centres for extended periods. And the slacktivists whose actions have helped create the problem will make wild allegations and complain loudly, apparently convinced that if only we were all as compassionate as them, all the problems of the world would disappear. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/refugee-advocates-do-more-harm-than-good/story-e6frg6n6-1227588770631 |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:36am John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:09am:
Yes, I am right, and NO, you were not talking about temporary settlement. I clearly said that no-one is obliged to settle anyone permanently to which you asserted that "actually, they are if they've signed the refugee convention making them so". You were not talking about temporary settlement. Don't be dishonest. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:47am He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:46am:
wait till they bring back kruddy.....he is still waiting in the wings to be recalled to save them and dry their tears .. they know shortarse wont be there next year and they have bugger all to replace him with..wait a minute I am forgetting Bobby Carr hes still around isnt he,.. and likes being recalled from memory... ;D ;D ;D ;D latham.. nah I dont think even they would go that far... gillard I think she would give them the BIG FINGER..wot!! beazley past his use by... so that leaves them with..... bugger all. they are all tainted in some way. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:53am Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:36am:
Yes, I was talking about temporary, don't be a dickhead all your life ... I didn't notice that you had used the 'permanent' |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:54am cods wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:47am:
celebratory drink this morning cods? after you seemed to have hit a dry spell tell me, who are you voting for at the next election? Since you've said you won't vote for turncoat. Who will you preference last? labor or liberal? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:14am Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:33am:
I say. Tony Abbott spruiking to Europe to keep the tinted races out is compassionate? I wonder if he said the same for the Poles or Russians or East Germans. He didn’t? Oh. I wonder if he likes Danish. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:15am
STOP THE BOATS.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:15am
STOP THE BOATS.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:16am John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:09am:
You lie. When I challenged you to find the obligation to permanently settle you tried to bluster. Why lie when there is no shame in admitting you were wrong? Instead of telling me to do your homework you should have just admitted you looked, you googled, and you were mistaken and you made a mistake. Secret Wars wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:23am Secret Wars wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:16am:
there was no bluster .. I wasn't going to go through the UN refugee convention for your benefit ... do your own homework. I already said I was wrong ... :D :D John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:09am:
I hadn't noticed that he said 'permanent' ... I was talking about temporary settlement. Sometimes when jumping from thread to thread, post to post, things are missed . Accept it and stop crying about it. Secret Wars wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:16am:
So now you want me to lie? Make up your mind ... I hadn't looked, i hadn't googled and I hadn't lied. Now go away and play the hero with someone else instead of acting like a 15 yr old. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Secret Wars on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am John Smith wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 7:13pm:
Four posts now that you have missed the magic word. And yet, the bluster and lies continued. Google was certainly not your friend was it. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:14pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:14am:
Thank you dick'eaddle. He announced taking 12,000 Syrian refugees. Not exactly keeping out the tinted races, PB. The issue which you distort on purpose is not about race but about numbers, orderliness, social cohesion, the will of the people in receiving countries. No country can take unlimited self-selecting migrants. WHich means a limit on numbers and the method of ordering and prioritising. Slacktivist blusteresrs like you will pretend it's about unlimited compassion. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:48pm
Oh, old boy, don’t be such a bore. By social cohesion, you mean race. Correlation not causation. We’ve been through all this.
Syrians and Labians are fleeing civil war. It’s the greatest humanitarian crisis since the Balkans. Europeans are offering to place people out of harm’s way, as they should. As we have and we should. Abbott was shamed into the 12,000 by liberal Liberals like Baird. Even then, he still played to the old boys by pretending to just take in Christians (persecuted minorities) - a game the UNHCR have never heard of until Abbott. Abbott has every right to sell his ideas to Europe, but again, it’s all about the politics of division. You know this, I know it, we all know it. Of course Europe shouldn’t take in more than they can place,. They won’t do this, and no one’s saying they should. But right now around the developed world, leaders are screaming out for more working-aged people. This week, the Mayor of Toowoomba called for refugees to be placed there. The premier of Tasmania asked for refugees there. The NSW premier is offering to place more refugees here. All conservative leaders, and all screaming out for more refugees. If Europe did not have an ageing population in decline, Abbott’s argument would make some sense, but there’s a reason the pragmatic, unsentimental Merkel is offering to take in 800,000 a year: Germany needs more people. Outside knuckleheads like Bernardi, Abbott’s pitch is increasingly falling on deaf ears within his own party. It’s a message being taken up by the skinheads, neo-Nazis and movements like UKIP. Millions have been displaced by war, and regional leaders here are crying out for more people. Abbott is simply playing to the stalls. Abbott is crowing about the one agenda he had as a world leader: stopping boats. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:49pm
STOP THE BOATS.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:49pm
STOP THE BOATS.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:51pm Secret Wars wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am:
yep ... I generally don't go and re-read a previous post after I've replied to it the first time ... you could reply to it 100 times, it won't change a thing. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:31pm
Stupid argument, PB, as always.
If a country wants more people then it introduces an immigration policy and invites the kind of people it wants or needs. It doesn't open its borders to all, especially not to unskilled hordes who do not want to integrate. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:13pm Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:31pm:
It’s not my argument, old boy, it’s the argument of those in.Abbott’s own party: take in more refugees and settle them in regional areas. It’s also the argument of Merkel, who is offering to place 800,000 people in Germany and help them to assimilate. Abbott is not arguing with moi, dear boy, he’s arguing with real Australian and world leaders. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 3:37pm Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:31pm:
So correct, only fools would do that. People that want to trash their country or losers who just don't care. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:04pm Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:31pm:
well we did for 6 looooooooog years if you remember???>...lololol and I believe the cfmeu want to open them again.. ::) ::) dont you love it when the lefties give shortarse the credit for getting rid of Abbott and now look at the polls which they believe in 100%.. hilarious...I dont think they get it though... as it is nothing changed only the POLLS....even funnier.. I think turncoat will call an early election...he knows donald duck would beat shortarse with his hands.[wings] tied behind his back. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by cods on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:12pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:13pm:
Ive got a funny feeling shes changed her mind on that one.... |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 5:57pm John Smith wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:54am:
This is your last and only warning on this John. Leave this boozing stuff out. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:02pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:13pm:
I'm spending a lot of time in Bremen at the moment for work and I can tell you the mood there is one of anger over Merkel's intransigence and lack of consulting of the German people over this 800,000. There is little scope in the way of employments, housing, schooling and organisation to fit these people in across Germany. Merkel is finding herself under huge pressure now for Germany to close its southern border and stop this swarm of people. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:04pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:02pm:
Urkle has destroyed Germany. Its 100% her fault. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:10pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:02pm:
I've heard this. She's had a drop in the polls directly over this decision. What did Mr Abbott say about making bold decisions? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:15pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:10pm:
She dropped 9 points to 54%. It's hardly representative of the "mood" Andrei describes in Bremen. Most people, it would seem, agree with her. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:17pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Well yes, but she should listen to Mr Abbott. He certainly knows a lot about polls. The only one that counts is the one on erection day. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:20pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:02pm:
One of my long term drivers, Hermann, a German who has been here in excess of 12 years is heading back there because his Wife, a Macedonian is home sick. Sheesh, talk about heading into a sheet storm. Hope he comes back. He is a ripper bloke and driver. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:23pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Yes it is. Many of the TV shows I watch on an evening are debates about this exact topic and Germans are split right down the middle. This is very unusual for a country with a much more social conscience than we have say in Australia or Britain. Merkel has not consulted Germans about this. It's insane to take in this number of people who are culturally very different, don't speak any German and immediately are a drain on resources when Germans need more help. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:27pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:23pm:
What are the alternatives Andrei? Europe has twice before had to accommodate vast numbers of homeless. It knows what it is doing. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:28pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:23pm:
More help that those who've left everything in a war zone, eh? At least the beer's cheap. A euro for a half-litre can. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:31pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:27pm:
Abbott's alternative is to leave 6 million people in tents in Lebanon and Turkey, with Europe footing the bill for the razor wire. Stop the boats, eh? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:34pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:27pm:
The alternatives are to disband the schengen zone which is causing these issues of people just moving freely. Close the borders. Croatia, Slovenia and Austria have closed theirs. Poland have shut every border and said none are coming in. We then provide support to Turkey to alleviate their strains. These people just can't keep coming, we don't want them here. Oh and I think we need to step up our intervention in the Syrian conflict to stop these people leaving. We need to accept Assad can stay. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:34pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:27pm:
;D ;D ;D Gawd you're a hoot. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:35pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:31pm:
The boats are already stopped and sounds like a plan. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:36pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:28pm:
A war zone yeah they are all fleeing ;D ;D ;D Some may be, but the rest are country shopping. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:37pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:27pm:
And look at the mess of some of our cities in Europe. Paris has large swathes of Arabs only. Munich is struggling under massive amounts arriving. London is jokingly labelled Londonistan by the Avigdor Liebermann, the then Israeli Foreign Minister. We end up with the problems of Islamic terror on our own doorstep and a weakening of our own culture and schools full of foreigners. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:37pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:34pm:
You said that about Australia too, old son. What do you say as a Turk? We want them here? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:39pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Turkey needs assistance and I wouldn't be against EU funding to help Turkey house these people in camps. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:40pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:39pm:
What about weakening your culture and lowering the marks in your schools? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:41pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:34pm:
Closing the borders will only stop people moving in. What of all of the people who have already moved in? What do you propose is to be done with them? With winter coming? Turkey already has about a million refugees. 2,00 enter every day. How many more do you think they can cope with? When you say 'we' don't want them 'here', you are aware you are only speaking for a percentage of the population? There are other 'we's with other opinions. And how do you expect stepping up our intervention will stop people leaving? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:43pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:39pm:
Funny thing is they burn their camps down, take selfies and destroy whatever they are given demanding 5 star accommodation.. The Idiots have closed ski resorts , put locals out of business that have been there for over 25 years and are now going to put muslims in their because they don't like their life saving accommodation. Screw em. Close the borders and if they want to war it out like they do back home so be it. They are like white ants, given em a house and they will eat the walls out. If they were thankful and real refugees I would have a different opinion but they are not. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:43pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Embrace the new world Andrei. There is nothing you can do about it anyway. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:43pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:40pm:
Turkey is on the front line. Theirs not much we can do about it. Long term answer is to resolve Syria and stop them leaving. This is done by bringing stability and a ceasefire. We need to accept Assad can stay and he needs to cull down his attacks on opponents. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:44pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:37pm:
Indeed. Having a secure border is the only truly compassionate thing to do. Let the Turks suffer the little children, after all, they are Musselmen. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:45pm mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:43pm:
Its people like you that cause the problem in the first place mrs urkle. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:49pm He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:45pm:
No. Hate does. Your hate. Their hate. SO much hate. There is nothing but love in my heart. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:51pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:43pm:
What's that got to do with it? Those refugees don't speak Turkish. Their culture is completely different. Why shouldn't the Turks chuck them out? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:47pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:51pm:
They are muslim brothers. They are used to trashed things. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:51pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 5:57pm:
warning for what Andrei? Not sure if you noticed but even you don't get to dictate what I say . I didn't abuse anyone, I asked a question. If someone sounds like they are drunk I'll ask them if they've been drinking. If you have a problem with that go read little golden books. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:05pm He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
Syrians and Labians share as much Muslim brotherhood with Turks as you share Christian brotherhood with Philippinos and Samoans. The difference is you speak the same language. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:48pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24pm Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:05pm:
Your point ? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:18am Karnal wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 6:31pm:
No, Abbott's solution is to stop Muslims in the Middle East fouling their own countries. That's the only solution, evidently too much to hope for so the solution for the likes of you is for the West once again save the tinted, backward, sullen races from themselves. White man's burden once again because the rich, sullen Arabs will not lift a finger for their brothers and sisters. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:25am Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:18am:
by bombing their homes? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:36am Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:18am:
That’s a bit of a long term plan, old boy. Talk to Uncle for a bit, come up with a plan, carpetbomb Assad and the Russians, aim at ISIS too, and fingers crossed we’ll have Syria in one piece by Christmas. Problem is, what do we do with the tinted hoards until then? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:39am John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:25am:
White man’s burden, innit. Carpetbomb them. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:39pm Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:39am:
at least if they did that they would make some sense ... to destroy their homes and homeland and leave them with no option but to seek a life elsewhere, and then complain when they do seek a life elsewhere .... it beggers belief |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:41pm John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:39pm:
They need to die quietly.under the rubble and stop complaining. White man’s burden. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:42pm
ahh ... so it's all the fault of the information age ::) ::)
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:51pm John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:42pm:
Islam, I think. It’s a religion of victimhood. Bomb them, and they moan like there’s no tomorrow. They’re so ungrateful. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:09pm Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:39am:
It's Russia carpetbombing. The western allies are target striking. Big difference. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:33pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:09pm:
We did that in Nam, son. We target struck regions. We defoliated forests. You can still see the craters from the air. The kids are still blowing themselves up on unexploded bombs. Big difference, eh? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by LifeOrDeath on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:36pm Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:33pm:
Then you woke up, curled up in the fetal position on a mat in your local mosque with olive oil all over your bottom. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:40pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:09pm:
Carpet bomb the feckers I say. PUTIN FOR DA WIN.... |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:19pm Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:36am:
Do not import them. Keep them in Tintedhordesistan. They have buggered up their own countries already - why bring them here to bugger up our countries?? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:24pm John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:25am:
Have a better idea? How would you stop Muslims killing each other, raining terror on each other, how would you drag them into the 21st century? The 'Arab Spring' has been nothing but a bloody disaster. Arabs are children with millennial grievances and massive chips on their shoulders. How do you make them move on, how do you make them see that a compromise is better than bloody mayhem. They have no tradition of compromise, they are macho, hour based societies. They are utterly different from the way we think and go about things. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Karnal on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:35pm Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:19pm:
Have they? Most of the ones who get out are under 30. Many are children. What have they done to bvgger up their countries? Hang on, let me guess. They stayed Muslims. They grew up tinted. They learnt Arabic and how to be performative. I see what you mean, dear boy. They’ll contaminate our Danish blood, no? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by LifeOrDeath on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:37pm Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:19pm:
Because the left apologists cannot stand to see others happy. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:04pm Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:24pm:
I wouldn't ........... I'd leave them to their own devices. They'll either work it out eventually or kill each other, either way, the west doesn't become a target and refugee numbers are limited |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Aussie on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:09pm Quote:
Exactly. We have been meddling with Arabia for centuries, and get our nose bloodied every time. When will we ever learn! We stick our nose in, they take a justifiable swipe at it, and now they are taking a justifiable swipe at 'us' in our homelands. And we whinge when they do. Arabia is for Arabs. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:14pm Aussie wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:09pm:
Yeah send all arabs back. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:24pm He Man wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:14pm:
to late to shut the gate after the horse has bolted ... the west should get out of the middle east and stay out. Unfortunately, The powers that be will never learn. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Andrei.Hicks on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:29pm Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 7:33pm:
Yeah I played Nam '67 on the Xbox too mate |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:40pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:29pm:
Kids were still blowing themselves up on unexploded bombs in Nam '67? Well, well. Aren't games getting realistic. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:44pm mothra wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:40pm:
Link ? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:53pm He Man wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:44pm:
Not the brightest crayon in the drawer, are you? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:55pm mothra wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:53pm:
You do know what a link is because if you don't I'd say it is you who is not the brightest nanna in the building. White flag accepted. No Link. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:03am He Man wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:55pm:
Link to what? Seriously, can't you follow the flow of conversation? You're embarrassing yourself. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:14am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:03am:
No gran you are embarrassing yourself. You made a post , I asked for a link and you are incapable of following that ? This is all about you acting stupid because I outed you the other day for being a grandmother and not 38 years younger than you wanted to appear from your yahoo days aint it. This has nothing to do with you not being able to provide a link to substantiate your views. Grow up. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:18am He Man wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:14am:
Link to what? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:22am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:18am:
Read the last sentence in my post dumb dumb. If you don't understand that troll I can help you no more. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:33am
You're completely oblivious to how a big a fool you are making of yourself, aren't you?
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:39am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:33am:
You are clearly illiterate aren't you troll. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:46am He Man wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:39am:
Well, evidently not. Link to what? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:47am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:46am:
Evidently so , clearly a link to the claim you made in your post DUMB DUMB. Are we there yet troll ? Are we there yet ? |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:48am He Man wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:47am:
What claim? I made no claim. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:51am
[lamentable Malaysian deal.... ::) ::) ::)[/quote]
Yes, dear, but Mr Abbott doesn't see the irony in his opposition to the Malaysia deal in favour of Nauru. Remember? He said Malaysia was unsafe for refugees. Now they're getting raped left, right and centre on Nauru. It's getting so bad they're flying them here for treatment. Only Mr Abbott can stop the boats, dear. [/quote] Malaysia was deemed unsafe due to corporal punishment that existed in their detention centres, among other issues.[/quote] They were not to be housed in detention centres, Armchair. Nauru and Manus Island are now both deemed unsafe due to rape, assault, and problems with the natives. And not just deemed, proven. One guy's dead, two women are in hospital in Australia for being raped. And over a hundred children are still in detention, going nowhere. If you don't support Malaysia, how could you support Nauru and Manus island? [/quote] Just starting to read thru this steaming pile of crud.. it is good to hear from someone brave enough to go against the creeps on here... good on you Karnal. I shall continue reading , but... the toxicity and repetitive rants by the racists are a bit sickening. Think I'll jump to the last couple of pages and see if anyhting has improved. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:51am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:48am:
You're not the full glass are you love. If you had quarter of a brain you would simply look at your post that you made if someone asked for a link and then provided a link to substantiate your claim. You're just a troll clearly. On your bike. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:52am
What claim?
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:56am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:52am:
Go look at your post I would have thought that would have been obvious. ::) But you're not interested are you, you are just here to troll as usual, aren't you. Just like you did late at night on yahoo. Every night. Didn't take you long did it. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by mothra on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:59am He Man wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:56am:
I have made no claims in any of my posts. How about you just tell me the claim i made? End all of this back and forwards bickering. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:59am
oh dear oh dearie me..
The title of the thread was bad enough, but this crapulent rubbish is beyond good taste. Stop bickering .. .. did this whole thread dissolve sometime after page three into this.?? No wonder I can't be bothered with this anymore.. Waste of time. Why don't u guys stop this and leave,, or GASP.. attempt to say something worthwhile. . :) >:( |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:08am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:59am:
Liar, troll somewhere else you are bothering others with your stupid nonsense. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:15am
Hello Hello He Man..?? Go away with your worthless comments.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:29am Emma wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:15am:
I will when you cease yours. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:53am
ah so you admit you speak worthless crud.. :) ;D
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Soren on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:26am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCJN7_IiFM http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/on-migration-simon-schama-doesnt-even-have-an-argument/ A large Muslim charity recently reviewed the work its people had been doing to relieve the misery and squalor on the Sangatte refugee camp in Calais. A worker with the Human Relief Foundation visited the notorious ‘Jungle’ encampment and concluded, with some alarm, that 97 per cent were economic migrants rather than refugees. Further, they were almost exclusively fit young men who were not fleeing danger at all and were not in the least desperate. An executive added: ‘I thought they had a valid reason [to be there]. They do not have a valid reason.’ The charity immediately curtailed its relief efforts. But present these facts to those who simply scream ‘Let them in!’ and ‘We must do more!’ and it makes not the slightest difference to their point of view; it washes over them without leaving so much as a trace. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:01am mothra wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:33am:
::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by LifeOrDeath on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:26am John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:01am:
I agree John is. ::) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:11pm
lets face it f heads.. Abbott is now a figure in history. :)
Sadly his 'work' will continue to resonate negative energy for some time to come. Just like his mentor Howard. >:( Pair of nasties if ever there was. Thank goodness he is gone.. so let us all just let him disappear into history.. where he will eventually be recognised as the worst PM in Oz history..( in the modern era) .. why people keep on this ridiculous thread is beyond me. He was, and is, a man who shoud never have been PM. He was. Its history. GOODBYE. :) :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:14pm Emma wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:11pm:
;D ;D ;D Mr Abbott was better than that weasel Rudd and Juliar and Bill Shorten the rapist. Worst PM that would be Juliar Rudd. Gawd you leftards are mentally disabled. ::) Goodbye *waves* |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:14pm
Turnbull is even nastier and extreme RW, keeping all but a few minor policies, e.g. ditching the stupid Knights and Dames bullcrap.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:15pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:14pm:
Yes the turnbull party won't last next election. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:18pm
Depends on when the election is and what sort of Budget is handed down in May assuming the election is after the Budget.
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Kat on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:40pm He Man wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:14pm:
No, he wasn't. And he never will be. |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:45pm Kat wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:40pm:
The Australian Public Agreed ;D ;D ;D Another leftardsim please :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by John Smith on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:58pm He Man wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:45pm:
No they didn't ... the agreed to give Abbott a shot. They didn't agree that he was a better PM. :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by He Man on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:00pm John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:58pm:
Yes they did :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:43pm
YAWN YAWn Yawnny Yawn yawn ::) ::)
Get over it .. the dude is done. I'd hope never to see or hear from the mug again. let him go home to England and good riddance. :P ::) Poor dears, your confidence must be shattered for you to need to drag out that foul brother again. GIVE US ALL A REST. :D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by The Grappler on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46pm
The public don't vote for the PM............. only for their local rep...... if such a term could be loosely bandied about.....
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Title: Re: Bloody Abbott! Post by Emma Peel on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm
Quite so Grappler.
All the brou haha is about celebrity. The more in the News the talking heads are, the more the sheep Baa along with the tune. Pretty pathetic really. |
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