https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/29939749/amnesty-blasts-australias-lawless-boatpeople-policy/

Sydney (AFP) - Amnesty International on Thursday slammed Australia's secretive operation to deter boatpeople as a "lawless venture" in a damning report authorities called a "slur" on defence and border force personnel.

The rights group claimed to have evidence Australian officials were involved in "transnational crime" and had abused asylum-seekers in its report "By Hook or By Crook".

"New evidence gathered by Amnesty International suggests that Australia's secretive maritime border control operations now resemble a lawless venture," it said.

Under the conservative government's Operation Sovereign Borders policy, asylum-seekers attempting to enter Australia by boat are turned back or sent to detention camps on Nauru or Papua New Guinea.

They are blocked from resettling on the mainland, even if found to be genuine refugees -- a policy that has drawn international criticism, but which Canberra argues saves lives by deterring boat people.

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton rejected Amnesty's report -- which follows previous accusations Australian authorities had paid off people-smugglers -- as a "slur" and said the country complied with domestic and international law.

"People on intercepted vessels are held lawfully in secure, safe, humane, and appropriate conditions by the personnel of the Australian Border Force (ABF) and the Australian Defence Force (ADF)," his spokesman said.

"To suggest otherwise, as Amnesty has done, is to cast a slur on the men and women of the ABF and ADF."

Amnesty claimed there had been "criminal activity by government officials, including pay-offs to boat crews and abusive treatment of women, men and children seeking asylum".

It cited witness testimonies from asylum-seekers, boat crew and Indonesian police that claimed Australian officials in May paid US$32,000 to six crew members who were taking 65 asylum-seekers to New Zealand, to get them to return to Indonesia instead.

Australian officials endangered the lives of the people seeking asylum by transferring them to different boats that did not have enough fuel, Amnesty said.

It also suggested Australian officials paid money to the crew of another boat turned back in July.

"Amnesty International and many others have documented an alarming pattern of abusive and illegal pushbacks by the Australian authorities," the rights group said.

"Such turnbacks violate the principle of non-refoulement, which says refugees cannot be sent back to countries where they are at risk, and also deny people the right to have their asylum claims assessed."

The group called for a public inquiry to investigate allegations of "criminal and unlawful acts committed by Australian government officials".

Canberra has said its hardline immigration policy is necessary to stop asylum-seekers from dying at sea, with no successful boat arrivals since August last year.

Under the previous Labor government, at least 1,200 people died trying to reach Australia by boat between 2008 and 2013.

Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats

Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died.

We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else.

If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil

So set up a Regional Processing Centre in Malaysia. . .oh wait!

Most of the boats, ASs and drowings happened after the conservative Parties, the Libs and Greens. Libs and Greens have blood on their hands.

Libs The People Smuggling Criminals

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1446068465

Did you miss this thread maqqa?

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

So set up a Regional Processing Centre in Malaysia. . .oh wait! Most of the boats, ASs and drowings happened after the conservative Parties, the Libs and Greens. Libs and Greens have blood on their hands.

Wrong. Most happened before.

Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening.

Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't.

Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement.

Has been for over two hundred years - the forces of law are merely another set of criminals established in positions of control, who have perverted the usage of Law to suit themselves.

You should know that....

Bam wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement.

For which you naturally have detailed reliable confirmed statistics, right?  And how many people does the rest have to take in to eliminate this risk? 300 million? 600 million? A billion or two? And yes, that is the scale of the issue.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm: Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement. For which you naturally have detailed reliable confirmed statistics, right?

Ask the Liberals ... they have suppressed some of that information for "operational reasons".

Usual suspects butthurt that Australia no longer runs a passenger service a satellite phone call away from an Indonesian beaches surf.   

Bam wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement.

Dead asylum shoppers seekers didn't matter to the Laborites and Greens when Labor was in power. But now they're all compassionate. Pardon me for being skeptical about their compassion.

Bam wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement.

They can guarantee 4 were settled in cambodia , for 55 milllllllllllllllllion dollars  :D

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm: Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement. Dead asylum shoppers seekers didn't matter to the Laborites and Greens when Labor was in power. But now they're all compassionate. Pardon me for being skeptical about their compassion.

Starwars you need to provide some links , or was it conservative secret wars , hard to keep up with all your psuedos post modern

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm: Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement. Dead asylum shoppers seekers didn't matter to the Laborites and Greens when Labor was in power. But now they're all compassionate. Pardon me for being skeptical about their compassion.

Yes they did Mistie. We keep telling you that. Why do you refuse to believe it? Suit your agenda?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm: Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement. Dead asylum shoppers seekers didn't matter to the Laborites and Greens when Labor was in power. But now they're all compassionate. Pardon me for being skeptical about their compassion.

Yeah they want to let em come in again by boat to die at sea smashed up on the rocks.

What a joke, useless imbeciles labor are. They are in pretend compassionate mode now since they have been dumped down the sewer in the polls.

mothra wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30th, 2015 at 6:17pm: Bam wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm: Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement. Dead asylum shoppers seekers didn't matter to the Laborites and Greens when Labor was in power. But now they're all compassionate. Pardon me for being skeptical about their compassion. Yes they did Mistie. We keep telling you that. Why do you refuse to believe it? Suit your agenda?

One his many alter egos will provide some links that paint up the lefties as the real hypocrites , it won't happen overnight but I am sure they will take  a look....... any day soon. We have to find our own evidence to defend his accusations according to righty logic  ;D

I doubt any of the righties on here even know their very own English speaking white neighbours... let alone an arggggh, brown one , , got the roller door that closes and it was a request to have the shoppers entrance when they built purchased the house, the lawn mowing contractor takes care of the front only and the letterbox gets visited at 11pm after a bottle of courage, they would prefer a conveyor to the kitchen, but damn those penalty rates  ;D there is always an argument about who puts the bin out at a righties house at 2am because they heard a car drive past once upon a time and they may have to actually hold a conversation, with potentially, somebody brown :D

Its time wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 11:04pm:

I doubt any of the righties on here even know their very own English speaking white neighbours... let alone an arggggh, brown one , , got the roller door that closes and it was a request to have the shoppers entrance when they built purchased the house, the lawn mowing contractor takes care of the front only and the letterbox gets visited at 11pm after a bottle of courage, they would prefer a conveyor to the kitchen, but damn those penalty rates  ;D there is always an argument about who puts the bin out at a righties house at 2am because they heard a car drive past once upon a time and they may have to actually hold a conversation, with potentially, somebody brown :D

I take it you're a leftard from your childish rant.

mariacostel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:05pm: Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been subjected to refoulement? No - it's been happening. Can the conservatives guarantee that no refugee has been killed after being returned to their country of origin? No, they can't. Any discussion of the death toll has to include refugees who are killed after refoulement. For which you naturally have detailed reliable confirmed statistics, right?  And how many people does the rest have to take in to eliminate this risk? 300 million? 600 million? A billion or two? And yes, that is the scale of the issue.

Good point, Maria. Half the world is on the run, living in tents and paddling canoes around the place to try to find an open border.

Two billion. Now that’s a statistic Longy would be proud of.

Maqqa wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil

Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal.

It's actually one of the normal, legal channels.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 30^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Pardon me .

Not a chance.

Liar.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:22am:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:27am: Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal. It's actually one of the normal, legal channels.

It is if they aren't real asylum seekers but country shoppers.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:33am: So set up a Regional Processing Centre in Malaysia. . .oh wait! Most of the boats, ASs and drowings happened after the conservative Parties, the Libs and Greens. Libs and Greens have blood on their hands. Wrong. Most happened before.

Any evidence for that, Armpit?

Most of the moral outrage comes from regions where crossing a border means walking across a paddock. We're talking about navigating the Indian Ocean. Leftist zombies just can't get it.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 5:08am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:10pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:33am: So set up a Regional Processing Centre in Malaysia. . .oh wait! Most of the boats, ASs and drowings happened after the conservative Parties, the Libs and Greens. Libs and Greens have blood on their hands. Wrong. Most happened before. Any evidence for that, Armpit?

I'm not your teacher. You look for it. That's what you told me, right?

He Man wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:27am: Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal. It's actually one of the normal, legal channels. It is if they aren't real asylum seekers but country shoppers.

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers.

A country overseeing it's immigration, border protection, quarantine and customs and security policies isn't illegal either.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:20am:

He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:27am: Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal. It's actually one of the normal, legal channels. It is if they aren't real asylum seekers but country shoppers. If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers.

Wrong, unflushable. They had asylum in Turkey, Jordan, Serbia, etc.

They are seeking permanent settlement and benefits for life.

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:20am: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:27am: Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal. It's actually one of the normal, legal channels. It is if they aren't real asylum seekers but country shoppers. If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers. Wrong, unflushable. They had asylum in Turkey, Jordan, Serbia, etc. They are seeking permanent settlement and benefits for life.

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers.

This is an indisputable fact.

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 8:52am:

They are seeking permanent settlement and benefits for life.

That sounds exactly like Tony Abbott, the ten-pound Pom.  ;D

The lefties of the world still can't handle the fact that Australia has secured it's borders. It goes on and on. The crying, whinging and sooking. You can't always get what you want leftards.

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:55am:

The lefties of the world still can't handle the fact that Australia has secured it's borders. It goes on and on. The crying, whinging and sooking. You can't always get what you want leftards.

Lawless. Pfft, what a farce! Try living in Russia under Putin, or Syria under Assad or North Korea under Kim. Then you'll see how government operates lawlessly.

Leftards loves to use the Refugee Convention to argue their case. So lets look at the convention and see what it says

UN Refugee Convention 1951 says in Article 1

You are only classified as a refugee ONLY when you have passed the refugee criteria

So they can claim asylum but there's nothing in the Convention that says they have to be assessed against these criteria in Australia

In addition crossing the borders of another country without a valid VISA is illegal. The penalty is immediate "Get The F*ck out of HERE!!"

There is an exception to this "Get The F*ck out of HERE!!" - if you pass the refugee criteria

The extremist leftards wants these illegals onto the mainland so the illegals do not have to go through the refugee criteria

They will use ANY excuse e.g. rape, children etc to achieve their agenda

Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement.

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:47am:

Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement.

Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:23am:

double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth.

So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through??

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through??

They aren't as good as Australia.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:27am:

double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia.

In wealth???? :-? :-?

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-?

Australia is a better place to live, overall.

Don't you agree?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:30am:

double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree?

If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls.

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls.

Well, some people just have more ambition than others.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:36am:

double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls. Well, some people just have more ambition than others.

We've gone over this same rubbish a million times numpty. Seeing that most refugees are unemployable because they are elderly and can't speak English how would Australia afford the costs if you and your numpty kind opened the floodgates??

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:36am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls. Well, some people just have more ambition than others. We've gone over this same rubbish a million times numpty. Seeing that most refugees are unemployable because they are elderly and can't speak English how would Australia afford the costs if you and your numpty kind opened the floodgates??

Have you stopped beating your wife?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:41am:

double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:36am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls. Well, some people just have more ambition than others. We've gone over this same rubbish a million times numpty. Seeing that most refugees are unemployable because they are elderly and can't speak English how would Australia afford the costs if you and your numpty kind opened the floodgates?? Have you stopped beating your wife?

Can answer the question I see numpty. NEXT!!!!

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:41am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:36am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls. Well, some people just have more ambition than others. We've gone over this same rubbish a million times numpty. Seeing that most refugees are unemployable because they are elderly and can't speak English how would Australia afford the costs if you and your numpty kind opened the floodgates?? Have you stopped beating your wife? Can answer the question I see numpty. NEXT!!!!

It was a complex fallacy.

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:41am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:36am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls. Well, some people just have more ambition than others. We've gone over this same rubbish a million times numpty. Seeing that most refugees are unemployable because they are elderly and can't speak English how would Australia afford the costs if you and your numpty kind opened the floodgates?? Have you stopped beating your wife? Can answer the question I see numpty. NEXT!!!!

can't

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:45am:

can't

Try something that isn't a complex fallacy.

You were doing well there for a minute, Homo.

double plus good wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls.

Yes Indonesia for example is much better where they can never be legally accepted the children can not go to school at all and the parents can not legally work. But then there is the small problems of food clothing and survival.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:48am:

double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:32am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:30am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:29am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:27am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:24am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:23am: double plus good wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:47am: Asylum seeking is a way for people with no education to bypass the Australian point system for settlement. Asylum seeking has nothing to do with education, or wealth. So why don't they settle in one of the countries they pass through?? They aren't as good as Australia. In wealth???? :-? :-? Australia is a better place to live, overall. Don't you agree? If I was looking for a peaceful place I wouldn't be thinking about private schools for my kids and shopping malls. Yes Indonesia for example is much better where they can never be legally accepted the children can not go to school at all and the parents can not legally work. But then there is the small problems of food clothing and survival.

Loads of asylum seekers live in Malaysia, Indonesia etc . They do alright. They are muslims in a muslim country.

How do you know they do alright?

And what’s Muslim got to do with it? We’re not taking in refugees from the Philippines, Chile or Ghana, nor do we care if they’re Christians.

They are ASYLUM seekers

They are not WEALTH seekers

So go to the nearest UN Refugee Convention signatories (countries)

There are 14 countries they can seen ASYLUM that are closer than Australia

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:41am:

Have you stopped beating your wife?

Unflushable turd

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:41am: Have you stopped beating your wife? Unflushable turd

Thanks, dear boy, I couldn’t eat another thing.

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:20pm:

They are ASYLUM seekers They are not WEALTH seekers So go to the nearest UN Refugee Convention signatories (countries) There are 14 countries they can seen ASYLUM that are closer than Australia

Why should they?

If you were in their position, wouldn't you aim for the best possible outcome or, do you have a habit of just settlling for second best?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:09am:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:20am: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:27am: Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal. It's actually one of the normal, legal channels. It is if they aren't real asylum seekers but country shoppers. If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers. Wrong, unflushable. They had asylum in Turkey, Jordan, Serbia, etc. They are seeking permanent settlement and benefits for life. If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers. This is an indisputable fact.

The majority are lying. They are not interested in mere asylum, they want, demand permanent migration.
Offer them asylum only (ie temporary visas) and they will riot.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:20pm: They are ASYLUM seekers They are not WEALTH seekers So go to the nearest UN Refugee Convention signatories (countries) There are 14 countries they can seen ASYLUM that are closer than Australia Why should they? If you were in their position, wouldn't you aim for the best possible outcome or, do you have a habit of just settlling for second best?

Second best is measured on economic grounds

Refugee as per the Refugee Convention is based on fleeing persecution of the country they came from and not economics

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:25pm: Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:20pm: They are ASYLUM seekers They are not WEALTH seekers So go to the nearest UN Refugee Convention signatories (countries) There are 14 countries they can seen ASYLUM that are closer than Australia Why should they? If you were in their position, wouldn't you aim for the best possible outcome or, do you have a habit of just settlling for second best? Second best is measured on economic grounds Refugee as per the Refugee Convention is based on fleeing persecution of the country they came from and not economics

I'm not talking about economics - I'm talking about Australia being a better country than the ones they pass through (or by).

There's nothing illegal about asylum seekers trying to reach the best possible country they can.

There's nothing wrong with it at all, in fact.

If I were in their position, I'd aim for the best.

If you're happy to settle, that's your prerogative.

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:09am: Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 8:20am: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:39am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:22am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 29th, 2015 at 11:27am: Under ALP's soft stance on illegals - thousands died trying to get onto Australian soil on leaky boats Under 3 years of LIB government - I would hazard a guess that no more than 5 have died. We want refugees in Australia - but they must go through the normal legal channel. Go through the process like everyone else. If you go through illegal means - you can F*ck off. You aint setting foot on Australian soil Seeking asylum, in a boat, isn't illegal. It's actually one of the normal, legal channels. It is if they aren't real asylum seekers but country shoppers. If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers. Wrong, unflushable. They had asylum in Turkey, Jordan, Serbia, etc. They are seeking permanent settlement and benefits for life. If they say they are seeking asylum, they are asylum seekers. This is an indisputable fact. The majority are lying.

Been out talking to them, have you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 12:25pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:20pm: They are ASYLUM seekers They are not WEALTH seekers So go to the nearest UN Refugee Convention signatories (countries) There are 14 countries they can seen ASYLUM that are closer than Australia Why should they? If you were in their position, wouldn't you aim for the best possible outcome or, do you have a habit of just settlling for second best?

Would you drag your family onto a leaky boat across a dangerous stretch of sea because you feared for your life, or because you think the grass is greener on the other side? The same can be said of those traipsing across Europe right now. They aren't seeking safe haven. they're seeking a more comfortable life. The UNHCR itself deems people who do that to not have a genuine claim for refugee status.

Let's face it, Amnesty International does not believe in border control, which is in itself a position that stands for lawlessness. It is more of Nawaz's Regressive Leftism.

Lawless alright!

In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.)

In May this year the government announced that due to the need to save money it was no longer to be used for it’s original purpose. Tony had stopped the boats and there was no need for it. I would think it would have been preferable to move the poor souls trapped on Manus Island and Nauru there, to wait to be processed and resettled, and save billions by closing the hellholes, but I’m not the government. Instead asylum seekers in the detention centre began to be transferred to Nauru and Manus.

The official line was parts of the place would be closed with the most prison-like section to be used as a ‘contigency’ from next year.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-13/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close/6465266

It soon became clear that the facility was increasingly being used as a gaol, a modern-day prison hulk, holding people who had had their visas cancelled, people the government had decided to deport or detain as part of their new purge.

Christmas Island detention centre being used to hold bikies, murderers with cancelled visas
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/problem-immigration-detainees-sent-to-christmas-island/6503812

Naturally these prisoners, many of whom had been living in Australia for decades, were not happy about being incarcerated indefinitely on an island, away from their friends, families and lawyers. Some were pretty dodgy types anyway. Things became violent. This caused a lot of worry for asylum seekers still on the island. The government is is no hurry to move them all.

Asylum seekers say they are under attack as violence erupts in detention centres
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/influx-of-501s-into-detention-centres-sparks-outbreak-of-violence

Too many prisoners are New Zealanders.
Raised in Australia, he’s among a wave of Kiwis held on Christmas Island as visas revoked
http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-held-on-christmas-island-as-visas-revoked-20150929-gjx0cl.html

The NZ government is very worried about all this. John Key has expressed his concerns to AllBull, who has done nothing. Our government doesn’t give a frack. Dutton, who must have got his jollies as a kid pulling wings off butterflies and torturing small animals, uses the place as his own private torture chamber while AllBull looks the other way.

One more thing – the place is run by Serco.
http://www.serco-ap.com.au/our-services/our-work/immigration-services/

Told you Mal is worse than abbott.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.) In May this year the government announced that due to the need to save money it was no longer to be used for it’s original purpose. Tony had stopped the boats and there was no need for it. I would think it would have been preferable to move the poor souls trapped on Manus Island and Nauru there, to wait to be processed and resettled, and save billions by closing the hellholes, but I’m not the government. Instead asylum seekers in the detention centre began to be transferred to Nauru and Manus. The official line was parts of the place would be closed with the most prison-like section to be used as a ‘contigency’ from next year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-13/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close/6465266 It soon became clear that the facility was increasingly being used as a gaol, a modern-day prison hulk, holding people who had had their visas cancelled, people the government had decided to deport or detain as part of their new purge. Christmas Island detention centre being used to hold bikies, murderers with cancelled visas http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/problem-immigration-detainees-sent-to-christmas-island/6503812 They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. Naturally these prisoners, many of whom had been living in Australia for decades, were not happy about being incarcerated indefinitely on an island, away from their friends, families and lawyers. Some were pretty dodgy types anyway. Things became violent. This caused a lot of worry for asylum seekers still on the island. The government is is no hurry to move them all. Asylum seekers say they are under attack as violence erupts in detention centres http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/influx-of-501s-into-detention-centres-sparks-outbreak-of-violence Too many prisoners are New Zealanders. Raised in Australia, he’s among a wave of Kiwis held on Christmas Island as visas revoked http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-held-on-christmas-island-as-visas-revoked-20150929-gjx0cl.html They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. The NZ government is very worried about all this. John Key has expressed his concerns to AllBull, who has done nothing. Our government doesn’t give a frack. Dutton, who must have got his jollies as a kid pulling wings off butterflies and torturing small animals, uses the place as his own private torture chamber while AllBull looks the other way. One more thing – the place is run by Serco. http://www.serco-ap.com.au/our-services/our-work/immigration-services/ Maybe it should be run by the Greens? Told you Mal is worse than abbott. They're both far better than Rudd or Gillard.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.)

You expect it to work so perfectly??!!

In addition - the Pacific Solution had about 15 deaths for the period between 2003-2007 with 200 illegals arriving

So lets examine what Labor replaced the Pacific Solution with!!

Labor's plan killed over 2000 illegals dying and 55,000 illegals arriving

We can all see how Labor's plan was "worked so perfectly" to kill people

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.) You expect it to work so perfectly??!! In addition - the Pacific Solution had about 15 deaths for the period between 2003-2007 with 200 illegals arriving So lets examine what Labor replaced the Pacific Solution with!! Labor's plan killed over 2000 illegals dying and 55,000 illegals arriving We can all see how Labor's plan was "worked so perfectly" to kill people

And the Liberal songbook gets another outing.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 2:00pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.) In May this year the government announced that due to the need to save money it was no longer to be used for it’s original purpose. Tony had stopped the boats and there was no need for it. I would think it would have been preferable to move the poor souls trapped on Manus Island and Nauru there, to wait to be processed and resettled, and save billions by closing the hellholes, but I’m not the government. Instead asylum seekers in the detention centre began to be transferred to Nauru and Manus. The official line was parts of the place would be closed with the most prison-like section to be used as a ‘contigency’ from next year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-13/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close/6465266 It soon became clear that the facility was increasingly being used as a gaol, a modern-day prison hulk, holding people who had had their visas cancelled, people the government had decided to deport or detain as part of their new purge. Christmas Island detention centre being used to hold bikies, murderers with cancelled visas http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/problem-immigration-detainees-sent-to-christmas-island/6503812 They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. Naturally these prisoners, many of whom had been living in Australia for decades, were not happy about being incarcerated indefinitely on an island, away from their friends, families and lawyers. Some were pretty dodgy types anyway. Things became violent. This caused a lot of worry for asylum seekers still on the island. The government is is no hurry to move them all. Asylum seekers say they are under attack as violence erupts in detention centres http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/influx-of-501s-into-detention-centres-sparks-outbreak-of-violence Too many prisoners are New Zealanders. Raised in Australia, he’s among a wave of Kiwis held on Christmas Island as visas revoked http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-held-on-christmas-island-as-visas-revoked-20150929-gjx0cl.html They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. The NZ government is very worried about all this. John Key has expressed his concerns to AllBull, who has done nothing. Our government doesn’t give a frack. Dutton, who must have got his jollies as a kid pulling wings off butterflies and torturing small animals, uses the place as his own private torture chamber while AllBull looks the other way. One more thing – the place is run by Serco. http://www.serco-ap.com.au/our-services/our-work/immigration-services/ Maybe it should be run by the Greens? Told you Mal is worse than abbott. They're both far better than Rudd or Gillard.

I guess things have to be put in words of one syllable for the dunce of OzPol.

They are putting violent criminals with Asylum Seekers imprisoned there. Asylum seeker families, men, women & children. That is not a good thing. Do you need an explanation of WHY that is not a good thing?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSmA-cfUEAADz4q.jpg

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:00pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.) In May this year the government announced that due to the need to save money it was no longer to be used for it’s original purpose. Tony had stopped the boats and there was no need for it. I would think it would have been preferable to move the poor souls trapped on Manus Island and Nauru there, to wait to be processed and resettled, and save billions by closing the hellholes, but I’m not the government. Instead asylum seekers in the detention centre began to be transferred to Nauru and Manus. The official line was parts of the place would be closed with the most prison-like section to be used as a ‘contigency’ from next year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-13/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close/6465266 It soon became clear that the facility was increasingly being used as a gaol, a modern-day prison hulk, holding people who had had their visas cancelled, people the government had decided to deport or detain as part of their new purge. Christmas Island detention centre being used to hold bikies, murderers with cancelled visas http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/problem-immigration-detainees-sent-to-christmas-island/6503812 They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. Naturally these prisoners, many of whom had been living in Australia for decades, were not happy about being incarcerated indefinitely on an island, away from their friends, families and lawyers. Some were pretty dodgy types anyway. Things became violent. This caused a lot of worry for asylum seekers still on the island. The government is is no hurry to move them all. Asylum seekers say they are under attack as violence erupts in detention centres http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/influx-of-501s-into-detention-centres-sparks-outbreak-of-violence Too many prisoners are New Zealanders. Raised in Australia, he’s among a wave of Kiwis held on Christmas Island as visas revoked http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-held-on-christmas-island-as-visas-revoked-20150929-gjx0cl.html They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. The NZ government is very worried about all this. John Key has expressed his concerns to AllBull, who has done nothing. Our government doesn’t give a frack. Dutton, who must have got his jollies as a kid pulling wings off butterflies and torturing small animals, uses the place as his own private torture chamber while AllBull looks the other way. One more thing – the place is run by Serco. http://www.serco-ap.com.au/our-services/our-work/immigration-services/ Maybe it should be run by the Greens? Told you Mal is worse than abbott. They're both far better than Rudd or Gillard. I guess things have to be put in words of one syllable for the dunce of OzPol. They are putting violent criminals with Asylum Seekers imprisoned there. Asylum seeker families, men, women & children. That is not a good thing. Do you need an explanation of WHY that is a good thing?

As they attempted to enter our country illegally against our wishes, they're right at home there I reckon!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:00pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.) In May this year the government announced that due to the need to save money it was no longer to be used for it’s original purpose. Tony had stopped the boats and there was no need for it. I would think it would have been preferable to move the poor souls trapped on Manus Island and Nauru there, to wait to be processed and resettled, and save billions by closing the hellholes, but I’m not the government. Instead asylum seekers in the detention centre began to be transferred to Nauru and Manus. The official line was parts of the place would be closed with the most prison-like section to be used as a ‘contigency’ from next year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-13/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close/6465266 It soon became clear that the facility was increasingly being used as a gaol, a modern-day prison hulk, holding people who had had their visas cancelled, people the government had decided to deport or detain as part of their new purge. Christmas Island detention centre being used to hold bikies, murderers with cancelled visas http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/problem-immigration-detainees-sent-to-christmas-island/6503812 They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. Naturally these prisoners, many of whom had been living in Australia for decades, were not happy about being incarcerated indefinitely on an island, away from their friends, families and lawyers. Some were pretty dodgy types anyway. Things became violent. This caused a lot of worry for asylum seekers still on the island. The government is is no hurry to move them all. Asylum seekers say they are under attack as violence erupts in detention centres http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/influx-of-501s-into-detention-centres-sparks-outbreak-of-violence Too many prisoners are New Zealanders. Raised in Australia, he’s among a wave of Kiwis held on Christmas Island as visas revoked http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-held-on-christmas-island-as-visas-revoked-20150929-gjx0cl.html They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. The NZ government is very worried about all this. John Key has expressed his concerns to AllBull, who has done nothing. Our government doesn’t give a frack. Dutton, who must have got his jollies as a kid pulling wings off butterflies and torturing small animals, uses the place as his own private torture chamber while AllBull looks the other way. One more thing – the place is run by Serco. http://www.serco-ap.com.au/our-services/our-work/immigration-services/ Maybe it should be run by the Greens? Told you Mal is worse than abbott. They're both far better than Rudd or Gillard. I guess things have to be put in words of one syllable for the dunce of OzPol. They are putting violent criminals with Asylum Seekers imprisoned there. Asylum seeker families, men, women & children. That is not a good thing. Do you need an explanation of WHY that is a good thing? As they attempted to enter our country illegally against our wishes, they're right at home there I reckon!

No they didn't.

Honestly what do you think happens to refugees when they don't come to Australia? They vanish into the ether?

The fact you conservatives are trotting out the same debunked myths over and over again (Queue jumping, economic refugees, correct channels) shows that you simply don't actually care about Refugees, you use this situation as a xenophobic political club then cry crocodile tears when things don't go your way.

You could bring in every refugee that comes on a boat and stick them on welfare for decades for the cost of the Offshore detention solution. You bring up Europe, but ignore that Europe has taken vastly more people and Europe is geographically easier to get too.

Also you block climate change policy and support wars in the middle east which causes these major issues to begin with, the Syrian Civil War started with a very unusual, very harsh drought that caused the cities to be overburdened with rural people fleeing collapsing water supplies, it could easy be called the first climate conflict.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:25pm: Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:20pm: They are ASYLUM seekers They are not WEALTH seekers So go to the nearest UN Refugee Convention signatories (countries) There are 14 countries they can seen ASYLUM that are closer than Australia Why should they? If you were in their position, wouldn't you aim for the best possible outcome or, do you have a habit of just settlling for second best? Would you drag your family onto a leaky boat across a dangerous stretch of sea because you feared for your life, or because you think the grass is greener on the other side? The same can be said of those traipsing across Europe right now. They aren't seeking safe haven. they're seeking a more comfortable life. The UNHCR itself deems people who do that to not have a genuine claim for refugee status.

You have no F**king clue.

Yeah, lets go into a overburderened refugee camp in Turkey or Jordan that are already running out of food and water, your stuck in a tent for probably decades and your children have no access to education and little to no access to medicine. So great. Or how about flee into Pakistan where refugees are rounded up and executed by the Taliban.

Yep, how about they stay in Indonesia where they are forced into a life of crime and their children can't get medical access or education.

The level of delusion you conservatives have is astounding. You seem to think that refugees hop on a cruise ship or some poo and then roll around living in luxury until they find a country they like. Not surprising though since you conservatives seem to have no grasp on the working class in your own country.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 4:46pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:00pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 1:47pm: Lawless alright! In case this slipped past you, the Christmas Island Immigration Reception and Processing Centre, aka Detention Centre, purpose built by Howard to handle asylum seekers,is undergoing a big change. (thought the Pacific NonSolution worked so perfectly? In the tiny minds of RWNJs perhaps.) In May this year the government announced that due to the need to save money it was no longer to be used for it’s original purpose. Tony had stopped the boats and there was no need for it. I would think it would have been preferable to move the poor souls trapped on Manus Island and Nauru there, to wait to be processed and resettled, and save billions by closing the hellholes, but I’m not the government. Instead asylum seekers in the detention centre began to be transferred to Nauru and Manus. The official line was parts of the place would be closed with the most prison-like section to be used as a ‘contigency’ from next year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-13/christmas-island-detention-centre-to-close/6465266 It soon became clear that the facility was increasingly being used as a gaol, a modern-day prison hulk, holding people who had had their visas cancelled, people the government had decided to deport or detain as part of their new purge. Christmas Island detention centre being used to hold bikies, murderers with cancelled visas http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-28/problem-immigration-detainees-sent-to-christmas-island/6503812 They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. Naturally these prisoners, many of whom had been living in Australia for decades, were not happy about being incarcerated indefinitely on an island, away from their friends, families and lawyers. Some were pretty dodgy types anyway. Things became violent. This caused a lot of worry for asylum seekers still on the island. The government is is no hurry to move them all. Asylum seekers say they are under attack as violence erupts in detention centres http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/influx-of-501s-into-detention-centres-sparks-outbreak-of-violence Too many prisoners are New Zealanders. Raised in Australia, he’s among a wave of Kiwis held on Christmas Island as visas revoked http://www.smh.com.au/national/kiwis-held-on-christmas-island-as-visas-revoked-20150929-gjx0cl.html They broke the law and our immigration laws are very clear on the consequences. The NZ government is very worried about all this. John Key has expressed his concerns to AllBull, who has done nothing. Our government doesn’t give a frack. Dutton, who must have got his jollies as a kid pulling wings off butterflies and torturing small animals, uses the place as his own private torture chamber while AllBull looks the other way. One more thing – the place is run by Serco. http://www.serco-ap.com.au/our-services/our-work/immigration-services/ Maybe it should be run by the Greens? Told you Mal is worse than abbott. They're both far better than Rudd or Gillard. I guess things have to be put in words of one syllable for the dunce of OzPol. They are putting violent criminals with Asylum Seekers imprisoned there. Asylum seeker families, men, women & children. That is not a good thing. Do you need an explanation of WHY that is a good thing? As they attempted to enter our country illegally against our wishes, they're right at home there I reckon!

It is not illegal to seek asylum.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:28pm:

It is not illegal to seek asylum.

No need to post that, they know, they've been told a billion times, they don't care. They are purposing lying because "tell a lie enough times and it becomes truth".

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:08pm:

The same can be said of those traipsing across Europe right now. They aren't seeking safe haven. they're seeking a more comfortable life.

Outrageous!

Seeking a more comfortable life?

Bring back the noose.

Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 7:28pm: It is not illegal to seek asylum. No need to post that, they know, they've been told a billion times, they don't care. They are purposing lying because "tell a lie enough times and it becomes truth".

Liberal Party song book.

They have read and believed the crap in the Daily Toilet so often that their brains have turned into jelly.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 1:08pm:

they're seeking a more comfortable life.

Like Tony Abbott, former ten-pound Pom?

Slimy abbott family, sailing to Australia to get away from the war just as the first diggers were heading north to protect Britain.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Slimy abbott family, sailing to Australia to get away from the war just as the first diggers were heading north to protect Britain.

I don't know what's better: the sight of Mr Abbott in his speedos, or the sight of him in black tie.

Miam Miam.

Karnal wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 9:50pm: Slimy abbott family, sailing to Australia to get away from the war just as the first diggers were heading north to protect Britain. I don't know what's better: the sight of Mr Abbott in his speedos, or the sight of him in black tie. Miam Miam.

Whats with the Miam Miam are you a widdle puddy tat ?

Kiron22 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 7:07pm:

You have no F**king clue. Yeah, lets go into a overburderened refugee camp in Turkey or Jordan that are already running out of food and water, your stuck in a tent for probably decades and your children have no access to education and little to no access to medicine. So great. Or how about flee into Pakistan where refugees are rounded up and executed by the Taliban. Yep, how about they stay in Indonesia where they are forced into a life of crime and their children can't get medical access or education. The level of delusion you conservatives have is astounding. You seem to think that refugees hop on a cruise ship or some poo and then roll around living in luxury until they find a country they like. Not surprising though since you conservatives seem to have no grasp on the working class in your own country.

That's the whole basis of the Refugee Convention i.e. you are only considered as a refugee if you are escaping persecution rather than seeking a better economic life

If you are an economic migrant then there's another set of criteria

For those who are economic migrants but pretend to be refugees - you can F*ck Off

Hear Hear

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Labor's plan killed over 2000 illegals dying and 55,000 illegals arriving

Nope.

You've been misinformed, or you're a liar.

Which is it?

Prove it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:34pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:58pm: Labor's plan killed over 2000 illegals dying and 55,000 illegals arriving Nope. You've been misinformed, or you're a liar. Which is it?

The numbers are there pecker

Take head out of sand then you'll see it

He Man wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Prove it.

The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim.

He can't, because he is a liar.

Pure and simple.

Any you are an apologist for a liar.

Doesn't get much lower than that.

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:34pm: Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:58pm: Labor's plan killed over 2000 illegals dying and 55,000 illegals arriving Nope. You've been misinformed, or you're a liar. Which is it? The numbers are there pecker Take head out of sand then you'll see it

Your claim is a complete lie.

You are nothing more than an attention-seeking, bigoted liar.

You have to live with that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:40pm:

He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:37pm: Prove it. The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim. He can't, because he is a liar. Pure and simple. Any you are an apologist for a liar. Doesn't get much lower than that.

No its not you made the claim

I responded to you not him.

The onus is on you

If you cant prove it then you are a liar

and a silly apologist of the highest order on stilts

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:42pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:34pm: Maqqa wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 2:58pm: Labor's plan killed over 2000 illegals dying and 55,000 illegals arriving Nope. You've been misinformed, or you're a liar. Which is it? The numbers are there pecker Take head out of sand then you'll see it Your claim is a complete lie. You are nothing more than an attention-seeking, bigoted liar. You have to live with that.

Prove he is a liar

If you cant that makes you the liar

He Man wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:40pm: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:37pm: Prove it. The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim. He can't, because he is a liar. Pure and simple. Any you are an apologist for a liar. Doesn't get much lower than that. No its not you made the claim

100% incorrect.

Maqqa made the claim, and the onus is now on him to prove it.

He can't, of course, because it's a lie.

And you, of course, are an apologist for a liar.

Doesn't get much sadder than that.

http://www.minister.border.gov.au/peterdutton/2015/Pages/Two-hundred-days-without-an-Illegal-boat-arrival.aspx

You know I can prove what I say pecker

I've ALWAYS rubbed your nose in it

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:45pm:

He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:40pm: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:37pm: Prove it. The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim. He can't, because he is a liar. Pure and simple. Any you are an apologist for a liar. Doesn't get much lower than that. No its not you made the claim 100% incorrect.

Yes I know you made the claim
that maqqa was wrong

now prove your claim or be a liar

Maqqa wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:46pm:

http://www.minister.border.gov.au/peterdutton/2015/Pages/Two-hundred-days-without-an-Illegal-boat-arrival.aspx You know I can prove what I say pecker

No, you can't - you are a liar.  Nothing more, yet considerably less.

Your white flag has been accepted.

In future, don't tell lies - I'll be here to expose them every time you do.

£uck you're boring!

http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/

There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013.

Before that, under Rudd/Gillard, hundreds drowned.
After the Pacific solution, hardly any drowning between 2002 and 2008 when Rudd cancelled the solution.

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013.

Incorrect.

double plus good wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:16am:

£uck you're boring!

... and wrong every single time!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:17am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:16am: £uck you're boring! ... and wrong every single time!

Incorrect.

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013.

You might want to follow that link of yours, Sore End.

"27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman."

"9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child."


The Coalition was elected on September 7, 2013.

Both of the dates above, come after September 7.

Year nine maths, innit?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:28am:

Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. You might want to follow that link of yours, Sore End. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." The Coalition was elected on September 7, 2013. Both of the dates above, come after September 7. Year nine maths, innit?

Both occurred in Indonesian waters, which Australia has zero control over. The first occurred barely two weeks after the election when Abbott had only just been sworn in. Try again, Year 9 kid.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:28am: Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. You might want to follow that link of yours, Sore End. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." The Coalition was elected on September 7, 2013. Both of the dates above, come after September 7. Year nine maths, innit? Both occurred in Indonesian waters, which Australia has zero control over. The first occurred barely two weeks after the election when Abbott had only just been sworn in. Try again, Year 9 kid.

Nice try.

Sore End kicked an own goal.

However, I suppose he just "thinks" that children and pregnant women don't count.

"27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman."

"9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child."

From his very own link:

"Australian Border Deaths Database".

Classic.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:28am: Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. You might want to follow that link of yours, Sore End. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." The Coalition was elected on September 7, 2013. Both of the dates above, come after September 7. Year nine maths, innit? Both occurred in Indonesian waters, which Australia has zero control over. The first occurred barely two weeks after the election when Abbott had only just been sworn in. Try again, Year 9 kid.

Many, if not most, of the "Labor" drownings occurred in Indonesian waters.  We’re talking about the passage to Australia.

The Abbott government went into shutdown when these drownings were reported. If it wasn’t an "on-water" issue, why would they do that?

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:15am:

http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013.

Interesting link, Sore End.

"Australian Border Deaths Database"

"27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman."

"9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child."

How is that meant to support your claim that "There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013", though?

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. One AS was killed in Manus Is concentration camp—the abbott govt withdrew 3 guards back to Australia so the PNG police couldn’t investigate that death. I call that lawless!

Of course, the RWNJs don’t give a stuff about drownings. It is all about xenophobia and racism for them in actual fact.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:31am:

At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat.

From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39.

"27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman."

"9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child."

Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:34am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End.

Well yes, but they are tinted.

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted.

So are the 12,000 people Abbott said Australia would take in from Syria. Your point?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted. So are the 12,000 people Abbott said Australia would take in from Syria. Your point?

They’re Christians. They’re more civilised.

The rest don’t care if their children drown or not. These people breed like cockroaches.

They’re only Muslims.

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted.

Hmmm, yes.

Something tells me Sore End would like to see all pregnant, tinted women drown.

Two birds with one stone, and all that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted. Hmmm, yes. Something tells me Sore End would like to see all pregnant, tinted women drown. Two birds with one stone, and all that.

What about the 12,000 Australia is taking in from Syria?

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:08pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted. So are the 12,000 people Abbott said Australia would take in from Syria. Your point? They’re Christians. They’re more civilised. The rest don’t care if their children drown or not. These people breed like cockroaches. They’re only Muslims.

They're not all Christians.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:13pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted. Hmmm, yes. Something tells me Sore End would like to see all pregnant, tinted women drown. Two birds with one stone, and all that. What about the 12,000 Australia is taking in from Syria?

I suspect he'd like to see them drown too.

Can't be too careful.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted. Hmmm, yes. Something tells me Sore End would like to see all pregnant, tinted women drown. Two birds with one stone, and all that.

White man’s burden.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31^st, 2015 at 11:40pm:

He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:37pm: Prove it. The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim. He can't, because he is a liar. Pure and simple. Any you are an apologist for a liar. Doesn't get much lower than that.

I think you mistake his strategy of consistently saying things he knows are not correct as lies.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 12:13pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:57am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:34am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:31am: At least one asylum seeker drowned after being turned back in an orange lifeboat. From Sore End's own link - "Australian Border Deaths Database" - the tally is at least 39. "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Children and pregnant women don't count, according to Sore End. Well yes, but they are tinted. Hmmm, yes. Something tells me Sore End would like to see all pregnant, tinted women drown. Two birds with one stone, and all that. What about the 12,000 Australia is taking in from Syria? I suspect he'd like to see them drown too. Can't be too careful.

I suspect your mother had relations with her cousin and you were the result.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSo8UD8VEAIXGx7.jpg

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 1:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:40pm: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:37pm: Prove it. The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim. He can't, because he is a liar. Pure and simple. Any you are an apologist for a liar. Doesn't get much lower than that. I think you mistake his strategy of consistently saying things he knows are not correct as lies.

They're lies.

The same with Sore End (and Armpit): all lies.

They tell lies in order to demonise asylum seekers.

That way, when they laugh off their deaths they justify it by saying that they deserved to die.

Sociopaths have all sorts of strategies to cover up their illness.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 12:18pm:

What about the 12,000 Australia is taking in from Syria?

The old one right makes up for a 1,000 wrongs argument.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:40pm: He Man wrote on Oct 31st, 2015 at 11:37pm: Prove it. The onus is on maqqa to prove his claim. He can't, because he is a liar. Pure and simple. Any you are an apologist for a liar. Doesn't get much lower than that. I think you mistake his strategy of consistently saying things he knows are not correct as lies. They're lies. The same with Sore End (and Armpit): all lies. They tell lies in order to demonise asylum seekers. That way, when they laugh off their deaths they justify it by saying that they deserved to die. Sociopaths have all sorts of strategies to cover up their illness.

They throw their children into the sea like driftwood.

We don’t want that type here.

Did you hear about the Burmese "refugee" that was resettled in Cambodia?

Apparently he convinced the bleeding hearts that he was a refugee because he was persecuted in Burma

When he was resettle in Cambodia - he decided that he was HOMESICK and went home  :D :D ;D ;D ;D :o :o

If this guy got onto mainland Australia he would be used Australian legal system to stay in Australia

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/refugee-transferred-to-cambodia-returns-home-to-myanmar/6858876

Maqqa wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Did you hear about the Burmese "refugee" that was resettled in Cambodia? Apparently he convinced the bleeding hearts that he was a refugee because he was persecuted in Burma When he was resettle in Cambodia - he decided that he was HOMESICK and went home  :D :D ;D ;D ;D :o :o If this guy got onto mainland Australia he would be used Australian legal system to stay in Australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/refugee-transferred-to-cambodia-returns-home-to-myanmar/6858876

How ungrateful. The money they paid for his spot in Cambodia amounts to more than 13 million dollars per person.

It would be interesting to find out how he returned. Rohingas are classed as non-citizens in Burma. They’re detained in camps. They are not granted passports.

The Australian government must have pulled some strings to get him back.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 11:21am:

Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. Interesting link, Sore End. "Australian Border Deaths Database" "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." How is that meant to support your claim that "There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013", though? Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

It is interesting - both these cases of drownings occurred in INDONESIAN waters.


And when you look at the numbers between 2008 and 2013 - what do you find, turd?

Soren wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 8:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:21am: Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. Interesting link, Sore End. "Australian Border Deaths Database" "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." How is that meant to support your claim that "There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013", though? Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? It is interesting - both these cases of drownings occurred in INDONESIAN waters. And when you look at the numbers between 2008 and 2013 - what do you find, turd?

"Australian Border Deaths Database"

"27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman."

"9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child."

Own goal, you silly little nong.    ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:21am: Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. Interesting link, Sore End. "Australian Border Deaths Database" "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." How is that meant to support your claim that "There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013", though? Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? It is interesting - both these cases of drownings occurred in INDONESIAN waters. And when you look at the numbers between 2008 and 2013 - what do you find, turd? "Australian Border Deaths Database" "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Own goal, you silly little nong.    ;D

Deaths during 2008-13, estimated to be at least 1,100.

And most drowned AFTER the Malaysian processing centre were blocked by the Libs and Greens. Libs and Greens have blood on their hands.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 10:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 8:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 11:21am: Soren wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 10:15am: http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/ There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013. Interesting link, Sore End. "Australian Border Deaths Database" "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." How is that meant to support your claim that "There has been no drowning since the Coalition was elected in 2013", though? Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? It is interesting - both these cases of drownings occurred in INDONESIAN waters. And when you look at the numbers between 2008 and 2013 - what do you find, turd? "Australian Border Deaths Database" "27-Sep-2013:      36 drowned -  The boat sank off Java enroute to Australia.  Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi & Africans, reportedly mostly children under 15 who drowned because they could not swim. 8 children known to have drowned and one pregnant woman." "9-Dec-2013:       3 drowned - Iranian and ethnic Rohingya.      The boat, carrying 30 asylum seekers, sank off the coast of Java, bound for Australia. Three deaths including one two year old child." Own goal, you silly little nong.    ;D

These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery.

The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:41am:

And most drowned AFTER the Malaysian processing centre were blocked by the Libs and Greens. Libs and Greens have blood on their hands.

So does the High Court of the Commonwealth of Australia then, if we go by your twisted logic.

No, the HC just interprets the laws. It is the executive who does things but Parliament has the final say.

Libs and Greens are racist and have blood on their hands, wanted BOATS as an election issue, didn’t care about the drownings. Once that happened the boats came in bigger numbers.

Now, how can we empty the concentration camps? Who will take the people we have so badly damaged? I think we should.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:52am:

No, the HC just interprets the laws. It is the executive who does things but Parliament has the final say. Libs and Greens are racist and have blood on their hands, wanted BOATS as an election issue, didn’t care about the drownings. Once that happened the boats came in bigger numbers. Now, how can we empty the concentration camps? Who will take the people we have so badly damaged? I think we should.

Wrong, the High Court has the final say.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:00am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:52am: No, the HC just interprets the laws. It is the executive who does things but Parliament has the final say. Libs and Greens are racist and have blood on their hands, wanted BOATS as an election issue, didn’t care about the drownings. Once that happened the boats came in bigger numbers. Now, how can we empty the concentration camps? Who will take the people we have so badly damaged? I think we should. Wrong, the High Court has the final say.

DT boy makes a statement—and gets it wrong.

The HC interprets the law, the executive can, sometimes, act to put the law into acceptable shape. The Lib and Greens wanted BOATS! as an election issue and, knowing there would be loss of life, blocked the change to laws.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:43am:

These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable.

Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too.

What were you saying about turds?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:37am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:00am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:52am: No, the HC just interprets the laws. It is the executive who does things but Parliament has the final say. Libs and Greens are racist and have blood on their hands, wanted BOATS as an election issue, didn’t care about the drownings. Once that happened the boats came in bigger numbers. Now, how can we empty the concentration camps? Who will take the people we have so badly damaged? I think we should. Wrong, the High Court has the final say. DT boy makes a statement—and gets it wrong. The HC interprets the law, the executive can, sometimes, act to put the law into acceptable shape. The Lib and Greens wanted BOATS! as an election issue and, knowing there would be loss of life, blocked the change to laws.

Wrong again. The Liberals stopped the boats, not once but twice. First by Howard and then again by Abbott. If the Liberals didn't want to stop the boats, as you so wrongly claim, then why did the boats stop within three months of Abbott taking office?

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:46am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds?

As a direct result of LABOR policy!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:42am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? As a direct result of LABOR policy!

I agree. But how is it that drownings in Indonesia count for the ALP, but not the Libs?

I'm curious.

Or is it just that Sore End doesn't read his own sources?

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 11:42am: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? As a direct result of LABOR policy! I agree. But how is it that drownings in Indonesia count for the ALP, but not the Libs? I'm curious. Or is it just that Sore End doesn't read his own sources?

You deliberately omit to mention that hundreds ALSO drowned in Australian waters during Labor's term in office.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 11:42am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:37am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:00am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:52am: No, the HC just interprets the laws. It is the executive who does things but Parliament has the final say. Libs and Greens are racist and have blood on their hands, wanted BOATS as an election issue, didn’t care about the drownings. Once that happened the boats came in bigger numbers. Now, how can we empty the concentration camps? Who will take the people we have so badly damaged? I think we should. Wrong, the High Court has the final say. DT boy makes a statement—and gets it wrong. The HC interprets the law, the executive can, sometimes, act to put the law into acceptable shape. The Lib and Greens wanted BOATS! as an election issue and, knowing there would be loss of life, blocked the change to laws. Wrong again. The Liberals stopped the boats, not once but twice. First by Howard and then again by Abbott. If the Liberals didn't want to stop the boats, as you so wrongly claim, then why did the boats stop within three months of Abbott taking office?

Boats are still coming. Howard didn’t stop the boats.

Now, how can we empty the concentration camps?

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:38pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 11:42am: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? As a direct result of LABOR policy! I agree. But how is it that drownings in Indonesia count for the ALP, but not the Libs? I'm curious. Or is it just that Sore End doesn't read his own sources? You deliberately omit to mention that hundreds ALSO drowned in Australian waters during Labor's term in office.

And the conservatives claim that it is much better to see them drown in the Mediterranean instead.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 2:32pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:38pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 11:42am: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? As a direct result of LABOR policy! I agree. But how is it that drownings in Indonesia count for the ALP, but not the Libs? I'm curious. Or is it just that Sore End doesn't read his own sources? You deliberately omit to mention that hundreds ALSO drowned in Australian waters during Labor's term in office. And the conservatives claim that it is much better to see them drown in the Mediterranean instead.

Where did they claim that?

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:38pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 11:42am: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? As a direct result of LABOR policy! I agree. But how is it that drownings in Indonesia count for the ALP, but not the Libs? I'm curious. Or is it just that Sore End doesn't read his own sources? You deliberately omit to mention that hundreds ALSO drowned in Australian waters during Labor's term in office.

No, dear boy, omitted they were not. I remember the Christmas island disaster well.

Your omission, on the other hand, was not deliberate. You simply posted up something without looking at it. Something to prove -

What?

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:46am:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds?

Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013?

Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it?

http://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_departments/parliamentary_library/pubs/bn/2012-2013/pacificsolution

Pacific Solution started in Sept 2001

Look at the arrival figures after this date - great job LIBs

Good to see Turnbull has reinstated you, maqqa ;). Shame you spew the same nonsense as always.  Will your little peewee brain ever learn?


There is no front door vs back door, dopey.  Asylum seekers can asylum if they arrived via Mars. It matters not.  I could go to New Zealand and claim asylum.  It's not illegal in any country that has signed the refugee convention.  Full stop.

And at which point do we say a policy has gone too far?  What's better, death or torture?  Sure, asylum seekers might not be dying at sea now. Instead they are being raped.  And mentally tortured. And denied human rights.  Are you proud, dufus?

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it?

How many self harmed before and now?  How many were raped before and now?  How many children fiddled with before and now?

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it?

Cunning, no?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:24pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it? How many self harmed before and now?  How many were raped before and now?  How many children fiddled with before and now?

You tell us. You pretend to know.

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:24pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it? Cunning, no?

Absolutely. It's a massive proggy con. And you are a small part of it.

Soren wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:24pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it? How many self harmed before and now?  How many were raped before and now?  How many children fiddled with before and now? You tell us. You pretend to know.

And you only seem to care about "death". But how to stop death, if that involves rape,
Torture, paedos, that doesn't seem to raise any care factor in you.

You are a pathetic sod.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:34pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:24pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it? How many self harmed before and now?  How many were raped before and now?  How many children fiddled with before and now? You tell us. You pretend to know. And you only seem to care about "death". But how to stop death, if that involves rape, Torture, paedos, that doesn't seem to raise any care factor in you.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it.

The old boy has redemption.

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:41pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:34pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:24pm: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:06pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:46am: Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:43am: These drowning did not occur in Australian territory, gweggowy turdery. The name of the database, covering 15 years, doesn't change the facts, unflushable. Have a look at your source, Sore End. Most drownings during Labor's time in office happened outside Australian territory too. What were you saying about turds? Soooo....  how many drowned between 2007-2013 and how many since 2013? Or - how many drowned after the Pacific Solution and before and after it? How many self harmed before and now?  How many were raped before and now?  How many children fiddled with before and now? You tell us. You pretend to know. And you only seem to care about "death". But how to stop death, if that involves rape, Torture, paedos, that doesn't seem to raise any care factor in you. Not that there’s anything wrong with it. The old boy has redemption.

Hmm no he doesn't