https://au.totaltravel.yahoo.com/news/a/29946417/unions-using-travellers-as-pawns-minister/

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports.

Travellers could be met with delays at international airports as Border Force staff prepare for a 24-hour strike on November 9 over a dispute with the federal government over pay and conditions.

Ms Cash told ABC radio on Friday it was unfair travellers were being disrupted by the Community and Public Sector Union

Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly

Too right! They could never pay me enough to carry out the inhumane treatment this government demands of our border protection. Should recruit some of the wankers on this forum, they would do it for free.

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly

Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country?

macman wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:38am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Too right! They could never pay me enough to carry out the inhumane treatment this government demands of our border protection. Should recruit some of the wankers on this forum, they would do it for free.

So asking for the passport of travellers coming into Sydney International Airport from abroad is inhumane?

It's like being back at Yahoo with Macca churning out the stories.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country?

Our defence forces protect our country. Border force is an armed paramilitary force.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:20am:

It's like being back at Yahoo with Macca churning out the stories. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Different forum, same bullsh1t.

A strike is a classic signal that managment (in this case the government) have failed to negotiate...

That would mean it is the government using travelers as pawns...

This crap is always a matter of perspective innit.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:14am: John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country? Our defence forces protect our country. Border force is an armed paramilitary force.

This is no different from the department of Homeland Security or the British equivalent. It makes sense to put Customs, Quarantine, etc under the one roof. They aren't a paramilitary force - they're federal agents.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:11am:

A strike is a classic signal that managment (in this case the government) have failed to negotiate... That would mean it is the government using travelers as pawns... This crap is always a matter of perspective innit.

Not necessarily. Remember the Qantas engineers strike? The wages and conditions they were demanding would've sent Qantas to the wall. They only backed down after Joyce grounded the airline after months of protracted negotiations in which the Unions did little other than to demand more with no promises of better productivity.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country?

and yet they are  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:14am: John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country? and yet they are  :D :D

Of course you have proof of this, right? Oh, look who I'm talking about!  ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:06am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:14am: John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country? and yet they are  :D :D Of course you have proof of this, right? Oh, look who I'm talking about!  ::)

you can wait for the tele to tell you!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:11am: A strike is a classic signal that managment (in this case the government) have failed to negotiate... That would mean it is the government using travelers as pawns... This crap is always a matter of perspective innit. Not necessarily. Remember the Qantas engineers strike? The wages and conditions they were demanding would've sent Qantas to the wall. They only backed down after Joyce grounded the airline after months of protracted negotiations in which the Unions did little other than to demand more with no promises of better productivity.

I like a good fairy tail.

Union/ALP use travellers as pawns

A dispute between employees and their employer the fault of the ALP - creative at best.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:06am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:14am: John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country? and yet they are  :D :D Of course you have proof of this, right? Oh, look who I'm talking about!  ::) you can wait for the tele to tell you!

Your surrender and white flag are accepted... again.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:06am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:14am: John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country? and yet they are  :D :D Of course you have proof of this, right? Oh, look who I'm talking about!  ::) you can wait for the tele to tell you! Your surrender and white flag are accepted... again.

or alternatively, you can read something other than the tele

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:10am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:06am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:14am: John Smith wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:29pm: Border force is the libs baby gumpy .... you want them to be laughed at globally, you pay them properly Why would/should they be laughed at by anyone? What's funny about protecting our country? and yet they are  :D :D Of course you have proof of this, right? Oh, look who I'm talking about!  ::) you can wait for the tele to tell you! Your surrender and white flag are accepted... again.

Based on performance I would think it was a valid suggestion.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports.

yeah, just go protest where it doesn't effect anyone nor you can be seen  ;D

Do you autistic right wing morons even understand the point of strikes or protests... its almost like they are designed to create disruption as a bargaining method.

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 8:56am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:23pm: Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports. yeah, just go protest where it doesn't effect anyone nor you can be seen  ;D Do you autistic right wing nice people even understand the point of strikes or protests... its almost like they are designed to create disruption as a bargaining method.

How does a strike like this hurt the government? It doesn't. It hurts travellers. How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't - it hurts passengers. Unions rarely think about anyone other than themselves.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 1^st, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports.

Cash was torn to pieces on QnadA last week by largely a liberal / nationals audience. She had to go as far as disagreeing openly with party policy in an effort to get out of there in one piece.

Every time she opened her mouth disingenuous politics came out of it, much of it debatable in terms of fact.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00am:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:56am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:23pm: Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports. yeah, just go protest where it doesn't effect anyone nor you can be seen  ;D Do you autistic right wing nice people even understand the point of strikes or protests... its almost like they are designed to create disruption as a bargaining method. How does a strike like this hurt the government? It doesn't. It hurts travellers. How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't - it hurts passengers. Unions rarely think about anyone other than themselves.

How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't

If their planes don't fly they can not sell seats and this means they make no profit. Profit is their god, attacking their God can get results.

Remember this type of action is only available as a last resort in the event of failed negotiation. This position come after many months frequently over a year of the management refusing to come to the table in a meaningful way and to negotiate a reasonable deal. This is the end of a really long process and never taken lightly.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:00am: Kiron22 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:56am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:23pm: Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports. yeah, just go protest where it doesn't effect anyone nor you can be seen  ;D Do you autistic right wing nice people even understand the point of strikes or protests... its almost like they are designed to create disruption as a bargaining method. How does a strike like this hurt the government? It doesn't. It hurts travellers. How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't - it hurts passengers. Unions rarely think about anyone other than themselves. How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't If their planes don't fly they can not sell seats and this means they make no profit. Profit is their god, attacking their God can get results. Remember this type of action is only available as a last resort in the event of failed negotiation. This position come after many months frequently over a year of the management refusing to come to the table in a meaningful way and to negotiate a reasonable deal. This is the end of a really long process and never taken lightly.

Qantas could handle that for a while. They do it all the time when they participate in discount fare wars with other airlines like Virgin.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:16am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:06am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:00am: Kiron22 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:56am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:23pm: Employment Minister Michaelia Cash has accused unions of using travellers as "pawns" as they prepare for a 24-hour strike at international airports. yeah, just go protest where it doesn't effect anyone nor you can be seen  ;D Do you autistic right wing nice people even understand the point of strikes or protests... its almost like they are designed to create disruption as a bargaining method. How does a strike like this hurt the government? It doesn't. It hurts travellers. How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't - it hurts passengers. Unions rarely think about anyone other than themselves. How does engineers at Qantas striking hurt Qantas? It doesn't If their planes don't fly they can not sell seats and this means they make no profit. Profit is their god, attacking their God can get results. Remember this type of action is only available as a last resort in the event of failed negotiation. This position come after many months frequently over a year of the management refusing to come to the table in a meaningful way and to negotiate a reasonable deal. This is the end of a really long process and never taken lightly. Qantas could handle that for a while. They do it all the time when they participate in discount fare wars with other airlines like Virgin.

I'm sure you could probably handle no wage for a week or two as well, but I bet you'd avoid it if you could. And discount wars are different. They're about keeping your market share, in discount wars everyone loses and passengers aren't pissed off at the companies..

If Qantas passengers can't fly Qantas due to strike action, they'll move to Virgin. They risk losing that passenger long term. I swapped to virgin years ago and have never gone back to Qantas except once because I had to.   

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:01am:

She had to go as far as disagreeing openly with party policy in an effort to get out of there in one piece.

Unlike lefties we allow our people to have an opinion regardless of the impact on the party

Maqqa wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:01am: She had to go as far as disagreeing openly with party policy in an effort to get out of there in one piece. Unlike lefties we allow our people to have an opinion regardless of the impact on the party

Yes I remember when you wanted to string up the socialist Turnbull because he disagreed and how you celebrated when Abbott finally tossed him overboard. How you came out after avidly supporting Abbott, Turnbull you admitted that you thought he was awful and not really a Liberal at all.

Labor lite or something you called his opposition.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:01am: She had to go as far as disagreeing openly with party policy in an effort to get out of there in one piece. Unlike lefties we allow our people to have an opinion regardless of the impact on the party

yeah ... that must be why the libs are so keen to see a conscious vote allowed on gay marriage  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:44am: Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:01am: She had to go as far as disagreeing openly with party policy in an effort to get out of there in one piece. Unlike lefties we allow our people to have an opinion regardless of the impact on the party yeah ... that must be why the libs are so keen to see a conscious vote allowed on gay marriage  :D :D :D

No that is a different problem - they done an audit and couldn't find anybody who had one.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:11am: A strike is a classic signal that managment (in this case the government) have failed to negotiate... That would mean it is the government using travelers as pawns... This crap is always a matter of perspective innit. Not necessarily.

True, it isn't necessary, however it is consistently the case as demonstrated below...



Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Remember the Qantas engineers strike? The wages and conditions they were demanding would've sent Qantas to the wall. They only backed down after Joyce grounded the airline after months of protracted negotiations in which the Unions did little other than to demand more with no promises of better productivity.

Which was Joyce demonstrating management using travelers as pawns...

Qantas was going back to the wall because of outrageous CEO wages and poor performance for said wages...

Further, Mr Joyce played his part in the "protracted negotiations" which he treated as his zone to make demands.

Qantas was not the best example to demonstrate a Union using travellers as pawns to be honest.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:20am: Phemanderac wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:11am: A strike is a classic signal that managment (in this case the government) have failed to negotiate... That would mean it is the government using travelers as pawns... This crap is always a matter of perspective innit. Not necessarily. True, it isn't necessary, however it is consistently the case as demonstrated below... Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:20am: Remember the Qantas engineers strike? The wages and conditions they were demanding would've sent Qantas to the wall. They only backed down after Joyce grounded the airline after months of protracted negotiations in which the Unions did little other than to demand more with no promises of better productivity. Which was Joyce demonstrating management using travelers as pawns... Qantas was going back to the wall because of outrageous CEO wages and poor performance for said wages... Further, Mr Joyce played his part in the "protracted negotiations" which he treated as his zone to make demands. Qantas was not the best example to demonstrate a Union using travellers as pawns to be honest.

It is a good example of employers using their employees as pawns though.