It's an unworkable system if you need unanimous support for any change.

Tear it up and start again.

Premier Andrews in Victoria, said he does not support an increase in the GST.   :)

The GST should be 15% and should apply to everything. This would enable governments to scrap a myriad of other taxes while maintaining an increase in overall revenue.

wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:06am:

Premier Andrews in Victoria, said he does not support an increase in the GST.   :)

This is what I mean. The Labor states will scupper any change for political purposes.
Stuff the good of the nation.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

The GST should be 15% and should apply to everything. This would enable governments to scrap a myriad of other taxes while maintaining an increase in overall revenue.

Putting all the eggs in a basket with a hole in it.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03am:

It's an unworkable system if you need unanimous support for any change. Tear it up and start again.

labor will never support it... but they will TAKE IT>.. ;D ;D ;D ;D.. a bit like howard v beazley...
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they will never give it back..I love it.. it smacks of hypocrisy at its worst..a real STINKER.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:15am:

wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:06am: Premier Andrews in Victoria, said he does not support an increase in the GST.   :) This is what I mean. The Labor states will scupper any change for political purposes. Stuff the good of the nation.

It probably is bad for the nation, there are better ways to fix things that just another unfair money grab.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:15am:

wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:06am: Premier Andrews in Victoria, said he does not support an increase in the GST.   :) This is what I mean. The Labor states will scupper any change for political purposes. Stuff the good of the nation.

you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D

the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't.

Why should Qld be able to scuttle GST change?

It isn't just Qld any state can do it or a combination of most states.

This was the intended purpose of the process the GST was set to 10% and this process was put into place to ensure that it stays at 10%.

The Liberal party's intention was to have a 10% GST, not a 15% GST.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:20am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:15am: wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:06am: Premier Andrews in Victoria, said he does not support an increase in the GST.   :) This is what I mean. The Labor states will scupper any change for political purposes. Stuff the good of the nation. you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't.

Labor was vehemently against offshore detention. They only did it half-arsed because they ran out of other options. neither the carbon tax nor Labor's illegal immigrant policy were good for the nation. Both were extremely costly and provided no benefit whatsoever.

Carbon Tax saw huge reduction in CO2 releases. How is spending over a billion dollars for some refugees (when refugees economically have net positive effect on the economy in the long term) good money? Where is your CBA on that? Oh wait doesn't exist, because all economists agree that Refugees are good for the economy in the long run, even your oh so precious IPA.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:20am:

you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't.

Totally agree who needs taxes to pay for stuff when the Magic Money Tree is there for everyone.

Stupid liberals.

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bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03am:

It's an unworkable system if you need unanimous support for any change. Tear it up and start again.

Do you prefer dictatorial approach...????

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:27am:

Carbon Tax saw huge reduction in CO2 releases. How is spending over a billion dollars for some refugees (when refugees economically have net positive effect on the economy in the long term) good money? Where is your CBA on that? Oh wait doesn't exist, because all economists agree that Refugees are good for the economy in the long run, even your oh so precious IPA.

Australians paid $14b to reduce global emissions by 0.004%. Australia's emissions dropped by a paltry 1.4% - hardly something to be proud of, especially when you look at how much money was spent doing it. So if we want to achieve even a 50% reduction, we only have to fork out around $700bn to do it! Besides, emissions were already falling before the carbon tax came into effect. So it's true effect is probably even less than this.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03am:

It's an unworkable system if you need unanimous support for any change. Tear it up and start again.

Yes it was meant to be an unworkable system - that was the point in its design. People argued that it was stupid at the time but the conservatives all supported it. Many even laughed about how effective it was to ensure that the Liberals would get elected and a GST would be implemented.

That was the point giving the impression that a GST once implemented could not be changed was a major reassurance that allowed the Howard government to be re elected with the lie of the never ever GST as their core policy.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:20am: you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't. Totally agree who needs taxes to pay for stuff when the Magic Money Tree is there for everyone. Stupid liberals.

and yet you opposed the carbon tax and applaud DA  :D :D :D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:25am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:20am: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:15am: wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:06am: Premier Andrews in Victoria, said he does not support an increase in the GST.   :) This is what I mean. The Labor states will scupper any change for political purposes. Stuff the good of the nation. you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't. Labor was vehemently against offshore detention. They only did it half-arsed because they ran out of other options. neither the carbon tax nor Labor's illegal immigrant policy were good for the nation. Both were extremely costly and provided no benefit whatsoever.

stop finding dumb excuses ... even Abbott was on record saying the carbon tax was the best way to deal with reducing emissions

they opposed offshore detention and the carbon tax purely for political gain

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:27am: Carbon Tax saw huge reduction in CO2 releases. How is spending over a billion dollars for some refugees (when refugees economically have net positive effect on the economy in the long term) good money? Where is your CBA on that? Oh wait doesn't exist, because all economists agree that Refugees are good for the economy in the long run, even your oh so precious IPA. Australians paid $14b to reduce global emissions by 0.004%. Australia's emissions dropped by a paltry 1.4% - hardly something to be proud of, especially when you look at how much money was spent doing it. So if we want to achieve even a 50% reduction, we only have to fork out around $700bn to do it!

So the answer is direct action where we need to spend more to do less.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03am:

It's an unworkable system if you need unanimous support for any change. Tear it up and start again.

All changes still require legislation, which by its nature can ignore the problem.

The issue is getting the senate to support the changes.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:13am:

The GST should be 15% and should apply to everything. This would enable governments to scrap a myriad of other taxes while maintaining an increase in overall revenue.

15% tax on carbon pollution?

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:13am: The GST should be 15% and should apply to everything. This would enable governments to scrap a myriad of other taxes while maintaining an increase in overall revenue. 15% tax on carbon pollution?

The carbon tax and ETS are the brain child of the oligarchy to create a $2 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market to tax the peoples of this Earth on the air they breath.

Rothschilds, Rockerfellas etc are all laughing on their way to the bank.

His son has even published a book on how to survive.

So WTF UP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSI-L6uGa8M

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:33am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:20am: you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't. Totally agree who needs taxes to pay for stuff when the Magic Money Tree is there for everyone. Stupid liberals. and yet you opposed the carbon tax and applaud DA  :D :D :D :D :D

Jeez that was a desperate attempt to deflect from your stupid comment wasn't?  ;D ;D ;D

When you say something stupid, like you did, 'own up' or 'shut up', but try to not 'make up'; it just compounds your stupidity.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:15am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:13am: The GST should be 15% and should apply to everything. This would enable governments to scrap a myriad of other taxes while maintaining an increase in overall revenue. Putting all the eggs in a basket with a hole in it.

At least there is no bracket creep with a GST

STOP PRESS . . .STOP PRESS

John Smith admits offshore detention is good for the nation.

Now he just has to come round to turn backs.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:33am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:20am: you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't. Totally agree who needs taxes to pay for stuff when the Magic Money Tree is there for everyone. Stupid liberals. and yet you opposed the carbon tax and applaud DA  :D :D :D :D :D Jeez that was a desperate attempt to deflect from your stupid comment wasn't?  ;D ;D ;D When you say something stupid, like you did, 'own up' or 'shut up', but try to not 'make up'; it just compounds your stupidity.

oh please ... don't tell me you now you want to pretend you opposed DA and were for the carbon tax?  ;D ;D ;D

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:12am:

STOP PRESS . . .STOP PRESS John Smith admits offshore detention is good for the nation. Now he just has to come round to turn backs.

I think the Malaysian solution may have worked. and I use the term 'good for the nation' loosely.

Backing away from it now . . .back . .back . .there you go, you're clear now . . . . .SMACK!!!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Australians paid $14b to reduce global emissions by 0.004%.

A silly argument straight out of CRA Mining's 1989 songbook.

One person on the dole is claiming less than 0.000005% of consolidated revenue each year, so it doesn't matter if they look for work or not, right?


Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Australia's emissions dropped by a paltry 1.4% - hardly something to be proud of, especially when you look at how much money was spent doing it.

Under DA, we're spending nearly as much for a RISE in emissions because over 75% of the 144 projects funded by this crap corporate welfare policy were pre-existing. DA is ineffective. We're still paying for it: the only difference is a transparent direct cost on polluting companies has been converted into a hidden cost buried within consolidated revenue that everyone else pays for.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

So if we want to achieve even a 50% reduction, we only have to fork out around $700bn to do it!

Rubbish.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Besides, emissions were already falling before the carbon tax came into effect. So it's true effect is probably even less than this.

Emissions have started RISING as soon as DA came in. DA is a FAILURE.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:21am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:33am: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:20am: you mean like the libs with offshore detention and the carbon tax? :D :D :D the difference is they really were for the good of the nation, raising the GST isn't. Totally agree who needs taxes to pay for stuff when the Magic Money Tree is there for everyone. Stupid liberals. and yet you opposed the carbon tax and applaud DA  :D :D :D :D :D Jeez that was a desperate attempt to deflect from your stupid comment wasn't?  ;D ;D ;D When you say something stupid, like you did, 'own up' or 'shut up', but try to not 'make up'; it just compounds your stupidity. oh please ... don't tell me you now you want to pretend you opposed DA and were for the carbon tax?  ;D ;D ;D

Looks like you are still deflecting, mind staying on track there ya little ADHA winner.


Where are the massive amount of denero coming from if no a broad based consumption tax?


We have some big bills coming up and unlike that socialist utopia greece we like to pay our bills and at least try to keep the budget in some sort of balance.

crocodile wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 10:04am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:15am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:13am: The GST should be 15% and should apply to everything. This would enable governments to scrap a myriad of other taxes while maintaining an increase in overall revenue. Putting all the eggs in a basket with a hole in it. At least there is no bracket creep with a GST

It delivers very little in an economic downturn. The major problem faced by the states in the GFC was that their income stream dried up.

One of the main issues with a GST is that when you need it the most it isn't there.