OPPOSITION leader Bill Shorten hopes to tackle climate change by taking a 16,000km flying tour through the Pacific Islands on a private jet.

Mr Shorten flew into Papua New Guinea on a private plane owned by multi-millionaire entrepreneur and climate change activist Harold Mitchell on Sunday, with deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek and immigration spokesman Richard Marles in tow.

The trio met PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill to chat asylum policy and global warming. They landed in the Marshall Islands last night and will fly to the Republic of Kiribati tonight, before jetting back to Australia tomorrow. All up the, trip will cover about 16,400km.

“We are hoping that Australia will take a leadership role in stating our position to the global community,” Mr Shorten said.

“The Pacific Islands are at the front line of the harmful consequences of climate change. Rising water levels mean these people lose their food security.’’

Mr Shorten’s office defend the tour when asked if it was appropriate to create such a large carbon footprint, saying it was an “opportunity to see first-hand the impact of climate change on our Pacific neighbours.”

“Unlike members of the government who regard rising sea levels as a joke, Labor understands the challenges affecting Pacific nations,” a spokesman said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bill-shorten-will-fly-16000km-on-a-private-jet-to-talk-about-climate-change/story-fni0cx12-1227591419046

Couldn't have teleconferenced?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:03am:

Couldn't have teleconferenced?

Maybe it would have been more acceptable to you AP if it had been a coal-powered aircarft  :)

Cliff48 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:03am: Couldn't have teleconferenced? Maybe it would have been more acceptable to you AP if it had been a coal-powered aircarft  :)

Get a job and pay some tax, you loafer.

armpits upset that he's not charging taxpayers for the flight :D :D :D :D

They could have hired a helicopter.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:31am:

They could have hired a helicopter.

he could have used the computer.. ::) ::)

unless he thinks he is Moses and can turn the tide...lolol

he prob ably does. :(

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:34am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:31am: They could have hired a helicopter. he could have used the computer.. ::) ::) unless he thinks he is Moses and can turn the tide...lolol he prob ably does. :(

they can't ... they're still waiting for turncoats NBN

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:34am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:31am: They could have hired a helicopter. he could have used the computer.. ::) ::) unless he thinks he is Moses and can turn the tide...lolol he prob ably does. :(

He's gonna be disappointed when he returns and can't preach his message of doom and gloom because those islands aren't sinking or being inundated by the Pacific Ocean.

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:34am:

he could have used the computer.. ::) ::) (

Pollies don't Google Earth travel cods, they want the real deal, money is free.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:40am:

cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:34am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:31am: They could have hired a helicopter. he could have used the computer.. ::) ::) unless he thinks he is Moses and can turn the tide...lolol he prob ably does. :( He's gonna be disappointed when he returns and can't preach his message of doom and gloom because those islands aren't sinking or being inundated by the Pacific Ocean.

Sea levels are rising, that is an indisputable fact. So low lying  islands are losing land and floods will reach further inland and do more damage.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:40am:

cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:34am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:31am: They could have hired a helicopter. he could have used the computer.. ::) ::) unless he thinks he is Moses and can turn the tide...lolol he prob ably does. :( He's gonna be disappointed when he returns and can't preach his message of doom and gloom because those islands aren't sinking or being inundated by the Pacific Ocean.

Turnbull is now pro science.
Get with the program.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:03am:

Couldn't have teleconferenced?

How advanced is the IT on small Pacific Islands? I am sure he isn’t flying on a jumbo jet.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:40am: cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:34am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:31am: They could have hired a helicopter. he could have used the computer.. ::) ::) unless he thinks he is Moses and can turn the tide...lolol he prob ably does. :( He's gonna be disappointed when he returns and can't preach his message of doom and gloom because those islands aren't sinking or being inundated by the Pacific Ocean. Sea levels are rising, that is an indisputable fact. So low lying  islands are losing land and floods will reach further inland and do more damage.

And Coral islands are GROWING - also fact.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:49am:

How advanced is the IT on small Pacific Islands? I am sure he isn’t flying on a jumbo jet.

You mean those sinking atolls can't handle a jumbo jet?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:40am:

Sea levels are rising, that is an indisputable fact. So low lying  islands are losing land and floods will reach further inland and do more damage.

Sea level Kiribati

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/content/interactive-sea-level-time-series-wizard?dlat=1&dlon=173&fit=s&smooth=b&days=60

It also helps if they don't sand mine.

'But Paul Kench of the University of Auckland, New Zealand, and colleagues found no evidence of heightened erosion. After poring over more than a century’s worth of data, including old maps and aerial and satellite imagery, they conclude that 18 out of 29 islands have actually grown.

As a whole, the group grew by more than 18 hectares, while many islands changed shape or shifted sideways.

“There is still considerable speculation that islands will disappear as sea level rises,” says Kench. “Our data indicates that the future of islands is significantly different.” '

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27639-small-atoll-islands-may-grow-not-sink-as-sea-levels-rise/

Is Shorten using union membership money to pay for this?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:03am:

OPPOSITION leader Bill Shorten hopes to tackle climate change by taking a 16,000km flying tour through the Pacific Islands on a private jet. Mr Shorten flew into Papua New Guinea on a private plane owned by multi-millionaire entrepreneur and climate change activist Harold Mitchell on Sunday, with deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek and immigration spokesman Richard Marles in tow. The trio met PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill to chat asylum policy and global warming. They landed in the Marshall Islands last night and will fly to the Republic of Kiribati tonight, before jetting back to Australia tomorrow. All up the, trip will cover about 16,400km. “We are hoping that Australia will take a leadership role in stating our position to the global community,” Mr Shorten said. “The Pacific Islands are at the front line of the harmful consequences of climate change. Rising water levels mean these people lose their food security.’’ Mr Shorten’s office defend the tour when asked if it was appropriate to create such a large carbon footprint, saying it was an “opportunity to see first-hand the impact of climate change on our Pacific neighbours.” “Unlike members of the government who regard rising sea levels as a joke, Labor understands the challenges affecting Pacific nations,” a spokesman said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bill-shorten-will-fly-16000km-on-a-private-jet-to-talk-about-climate-change/story-fni0cx12-1227591419046

classic

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:03am: Mr Shorten’s office defend the tour when asked if it was appropriate to create such a large carbon footprint, saying it was an “opportunity to see first-hand the impact of climate change on our Pacific neighbours.” classic

They could have SnapChat the real impact

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:30am:

Is Shorten using union membership money to pay for this?

why? are you paying any? ... much better he use taxpayer monies, right? :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:45am:

why? are you paying any? ... much better he use taxpayer monies, right?

It's his benefactor claiming a tax deduction.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:45am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:30am: Is Shorten using union membership money to pay for this? why? are you paying any? ... much better he use taxpayer monies, right? :D :D :D

Much better he goes back in his hole

The trip is getting mentioned in the press, good idea of Shorten’s  ;D AGW is Malodorous’ achilles heel. Also the MTM but for now mainly AGW.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:03am: OPPOSITION leader Bill Shorten hopes to tackle climate change by taking a 16,000km flying tour through the Pacific Islands on a private jet. Mr Shorten flew into Papua New Guinea on a private plane owned by multi-millionaire entrepreneur and climate change activist Harold Mitchell on Sunday, with deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek and immigration spokesman Richard Marles in tow. The trio met PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill to chat asylum policy and global warming. They landed in the Marshall Islands last night and will fly to the Republic of Kiribati tonight, before jetting back to Australia tomorrow. All up the, trip will cover about 16,400km. “We are hoping that Australia will take a leadership role in stating our position to the global community,” Mr Shorten said. “The Pacific Islands are at the front line of the harmful consequences of climate change. Rising water levels mean these people lose their food security.’’ Mr Shorten’s office defend the tour when asked if it was appropriate to create such a large carbon footprint, saying it was an “opportunity to see first-hand the impact of climate change on our Pacific neighbours.” “Unlike members of the government who regard rising sea levels as a joke, Labor understands the challenges affecting Pacific nations,” a spokesman said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bill-shorten-will-fly-16000km-on-a-private-jet-to-talk-about-climate-change/story-fni0cx12-1227591419046 classic

LOL Shorten is such a joke ;D

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:44am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:45am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:30am: Is Shorten using union membership money to pay for this? why? are you paying any? ... much better he use taxpayer monies, right? :D :D :D Much better he goes back in his hole

what about turncoat gumpy, should he go back in his hole? you were, after all, one of the ones that used to call him a lefty.  :D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:26am:

Cliff48 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:22am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:03am: Couldn't have teleconferenced? Maybe it would have been more acceptable to you AP if it had been a coal-powered aircarft  :) Get a job and pay some tax, you loafer.

again Polly spukes of his hate with no knowledge!

reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:59pm:

reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins.

And so it should. Every time a politician or celebrity mentions climate change, the Tele publishes a graph with their carbon miles.

Scientific, innit.

Oh look out.. Silly Billy is going to try and do a Tim Flannery.. oh the doom and gloom. .. its never going to rain again!!!

Trouble is.. is that he has about as much credibility as a rapist...

Oh wait... :-/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:03am: OPPOSITION leader Bill Shorten hopes to tackle climate change by taking a 16,000km flying tour through the Pacific Islands on a private jet. Mr Shorten flew into Papua New Guinea on a private plane owned by multi-millionaire entrepreneur and climate change activist Harold Mitchell on Sunday, with deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek and immigration spokesman Richard Marles in tow. The trio met PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill to chat asylum policy and global warming. They landed in the Marshall Islands last night and will fly to the Republic of Kiribati tonight, before jetting back to Australia tomorrow. All up the, trip will cover about 16,400km. “We are hoping that Australia will take a leadership role in stating our position to the global community,” Mr Shorten said. “The Pacific Islands are at the front line of the harmful consequences of climate change. Rising water levels mean these people lose their food security.’’ Mr Shorten’s office defend the tour when asked if it was appropriate to create such a large carbon footprint, saying it was an “opportunity to see first-hand the impact of climate change on our Pacific neighbours.” “Unlike members of the government who regard rising sea levels as a joke, Labor understands the challenges affecting Pacific nations,” a spokesman said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bill-shorten-will-fly-16000km-on-a-private-jet-to-talk-about-climate-change/story-fni0cx12-1227591419046 classic

What's 'classic' about it?  I don't get it at all.  What does it matter to any of you lot?  It did not cost you a cent so what's the issue?

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:23pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:30am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:03am: OPPOSITION leader Bill Shorten hopes to tackle climate change by taking a 16,000km flying tour through the Pacific Islands on a private jet. Mr Shorten flew into Papua New Guinea on a private plane owned by multi-millionaire entrepreneur and climate change activist Harold Mitchell on Sunday, with deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek and immigration spokesman Richard Marles in tow. The trio met PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill to chat asylum policy and global warming. They landed in the Marshall Islands last night and will fly to the Republic of Kiribati tonight, before jetting back to Australia tomorrow. All up the, trip will cover about 16,400km. “We are hoping that Australia will take a leadership role in stating our position to the global community,” Mr Shorten said. “The Pacific Islands are at the front line of the harmful consequences of climate change. Rising water levels mean these people lose their food security.’’ Mr Shorten’s office defend the tour when asked if it was appropriate to create such a large carbon footprint, saying it was an “opportunity to see first-hand the impact of climate change on our Pacific neighbours.” “Unlike members of the government who regard rising sea levels as a joke, Labor understands the challenges affecting Pacific nations,” a spokesman said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bill-shorten-will-fly-16000km-on-a-private-jet-to-talk-about-climate-change/story-fni0cx12-1227591419046 classic What's 'classic' about it?  I don't get it at all.  What does it matter to any of you lot?  It did not cost you a cent so what's the issue?

Must've thought they were going to windsurf or canoe their  :D

Yep looks like another slow news day at the Dummies Telegraph  :)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:59pm:

reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins.

NOTHING beats the 'ship of fools' that went down to the Antarctic to view the 'retreating ice' and got caught in ice way short of their destination and had to be rescued.

Extension of Antarctica sea ice is an effect of AGW.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Extension of Antarctica sea ice is an effect of AGW.

And melting of sea ice and loss of Antarctic Ice mass and greater Antarctic ice mass. CO2 the magic gas that can do almost anything, except to give a brain to JM.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 12:59pm: reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins. NOTHING beats the 'ship of fools' that went down to the Antarctic to view the 'retreating ice' and got caught in ice way short of their destination and had to be rescued.

we never see any real life scientist living on the ice though do we???>..I guess they dont really need to see it first hand when we have such a scientist as shortarse making notes of sea levels..god hes a gifted bloke isnt he??he will be doing Tim out of a job soon. ;D ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:16pm:

Extension of Antarctica sea ice is an effect of AGW.

Exactly, just as a reduction of Antarctic sea ice would have been an effect of AGW  :D

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 12:59pm: reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins. NOTHING beats the 'ship of fools' that went down to the Antarctic to view the 'retreating ice' and got caught in ice way short of their destination and had to be rescued.

PMSL!!! HAHAHAHA!!! I forgot about that!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:11pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 12:59pm: reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins. NOTHING beats the 'ship of fools' that went down to the Antarctic to view the 'retreating ice' and got caught in ice way short of their destination and had to be rescued. PMSL!!! HAHAHAHA!!! I forgot about that!!!  ;D ;D ;D

It was truly glorious. It is like Flannery's oft-mocked predictions of Sydney and Adelaide running out of water... years ago.

Climate Hysterics should b e neutered in case they breed.

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:16pm: Extension of Antarctica sea ice is an effect of AGW. Exactly, just as a reduction of Antarctic sea ice would have been an effect of AGW  :D

{sigh} No, it has been discussed how Antarctic glaciers are melting and thinning and enlarging iceshelves.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 12:59pm: reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins. NOTHING beats the 'ship of fools' that went down to the Antarctic to view the 'retreating ice' and got caught in ice way short of their destination and had to be rescued.

you don't know the difference between a glacier and an ice shelf do you?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:50pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:11pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 12:59pm: reminds me of Peter Grrett flying down to Antartica to look at penguins. NOTHING beats the 'ship of fools' that went down to the Antarctic to view the 'retreating ice' and got caught in ice way short of their destination and had to be rescued. PMSL!!! HAHAHAHA!!! I forgot about that!!!  ;D ;D ;D It was truly glorious. It is like Flannery's oft-mocked predictions of Sydney and Adelaide running out of water... years ago. Climate Hysterics should b e neutered in case they breed.

Strange the Libs are behind DA then  ::)

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:50pm:

{sigh} No, it has been discussed how Antarctic glaciers are melting and thinning and enlarging iceshelves.

And ice mass overall is increasing even though glaciers are thinning.

Edit: But that's what a changing climate does. In the northern hemisphere retreating glaciers are uncovering villages and Roman mines. So glaciers were smaller there before the current retreat. We just don't have enough data to show what Antarctica  is "normally" like.

lee wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:50pm: {sigh} No, it has been discussed how Antarctic glaciers are melting and thinning and enlarging iceshelves. And ice mass overall is increasing even though glaciers are thinning.

It is an 'inconvenient truth'.

You global warming deniers are so dumb it hurts.
Is it honestly fun picking and choosing parts of reports instead of reading the entire thing? Do you even realize you are all literally quote mining?

Its just getting tiring having to hear and debunk the same lame poo over and over again.

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:19pm:

Its just getting tiring having to hear and debunk the same lame poo over and over again.

You haven't done it yet. :D :D

Quite apart from the fact that the world has warmed and cooled many times.

Yes, yes I have done it numerous times.

Read the report you post you ****ing nice person, it debunks what you are saying.

>Quite apart from the fact that the world has warmed and cooled many times.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm

bugger off you pathetic loser, your literally just repeating the most tedious of debunked arguments.

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Yes, yes I have done it numerous times. Read the report you post you ****ing nice person, it debunks what you are saying. >Quite apart from the fact that the world has warmed and cooled many times. https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm bugger off you pathetic loser, your literally just repeating the most tedious of debunked arguments.

When you are taking flak you are over the target.

You quote SKS, that blog site run by a cartoonist ? :D :D

The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology

Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:

The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years

Ahh so that's why we're paying big polluters to pollute with Direct Action, ok got it.

Interesting... in my studies of terrorism/counter-terrorism and Asian-Pacific issues, this very issue came up - about the effect of 'global warming' and sea rise etc and the impact on fairly defined communities within that region... and the possibility that such events could create an unstable region, with groups forced to move and to take sides.....

It's a kind of holistic approach to what actually constitutes a 'region' and how the many influences within that region and from without, actually impact on it.

In this way, it could be argued that Chinese pollution in Beijing is a de-stabilising factor in the Pacific....**

Hmmmm...



**maybe that's why the All Blacks keep winning..... damn it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdJ2vd1lhg

Brilliant  :)

Its time wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:51pm: The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years Ahh so that's why we're paying big polluters to pollute with Direct Action, ok got it.

so what have you done to clean up your own back your you welfare loafing butthole??

have you disconnected from the grid?
do you catch 100% of your own rain water?
are you still using plastic bags?
are you growing 100% organic food?
installed solar power?

no to all of the above??

you are just like the other tryhard welfare bludging lefties on this forum who complain about pollution but are one of the biggest contributors to it as you are sitting around on forums all day long burning power being unproductive...

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:19pm:

You global warming deniers are so dumb it hurts. Is it honestly fun picking and choosing parts of reports instead of reading the entire thing? Do you even realize you are all literally quote mining? Its just getting tiring having to hear and debunk the same lame poo over and over again.

You climate hysterics are even funnier. You would point to all your predictive successes - if indeed there actually were any.

You support the biggest con in science since Piltdown man.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:

The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years

The Greens are good at that. They do the same with anyone who is against gay marriage, regardless of whether they have a thing against gays or not. I have gay relatives and friends who I think the world of, but I won't change my stance that marriage is between a man and a woman and it won't change how I treat my gay relatives and friends.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

you are just like the other tryhard welfare bludging lefties on this forum who complain about pollution but are one of the biggest contributors to it as you are sitting around on forums all day long burning power being unproductive...

Do you right wingers have any sort of arguments that aren't the most pathetic of fallacies?

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:51pm:

The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years

;D

You right wingers are proving yourself more stupid by the second. Its actually quite embarrassing for you.

So whats more extreme? Working together to make the world a better place for future generations and trying to save a fragile environment? Or eating the poo from the daily toilet and big polluters to rip everything up for short term gain?

Seriously you right wingers are delusional. You are not even conservatives, original conservatives were environmentalists, you are outright far-right reactionaries.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

you are just like the other tryhard welfare bludging lefties on this forum who complain about pollution but are one of the biggest contributors to it as you are sitting around on forums all day long burning power being unproductive...

So these tryhard welfare bludging lefties argue with whom on the forum all day?

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:51pm: The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years ;D You right wingers are proving yourself more stupid by the second. Its actually quite embarrassing for you. So whats more extreme? Working together to make the world a better place for future generations and trying to save a fragile environment? Or eating the poo from the daily toilet and big polluters to rip everything up for short term gain? Seriously you right wingers are delusional. You are not even conservatives, original conservatives were environmentalists, you are outright far-right reactionaries.

Wake up, Vladimir. This is the 21st century and we not so easily conned by shysters like you and your ilk.

ahh great retort Maria .. with an argument like that how can anyone not agree with you  :D :D :D :D

now perhaps you can try and answer his questions?

I don't even care if they try answer my questions. What the Paid LNP shills here post will just be absolute s**tposting nonsense anyway designed to derail debate and contribute nothing.

Every post from Swag, Cods, Maria, Maqqa etc are just absolute trash filled with massive amounts of stupidity and disinformation.

Do you think its possible to convince these idiots anything? Hell they honestly believe MTM is better and cheaper than FTTP and they believe Human caused climate change isn't real or if it is, its good for the environment.

In this thread alone they are literally cherry picking and quote mining reports which means they either don't read what they are posting or they are PURPOSELY being disingenuous.

I think its about time we need to learn to stop engaging with these reactionaries. Let them spout their bile everywhere. Whats the point of wrestling in their own poo with them?

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

Its time wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:39pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:51pm: The label "climate change denier" is a tag made up by Greens who wants to demonise people who do not support their extreme ideology Climate change happens every second of the day 365 days a year going back several billions of years Ahh so that's why we're paying big polluters to pollute with Direct Action, ok got it. so what have you done to clean up your own back your you welfare loafing butthole?? have you disconnected from the grid? do you catch 100% of your own rain water? are you still using plastic bags? are you growing 100% organic food? installed solar power? no to all of the above?? you are just like the other tryhard welfare bludging lefties on this forum who complain about pollution but are one of the biggest contributors to it as you are sitting around on forums all day long burning power being unproductive...

Watch your temper mr grumpy , yes i have solar and eargerly awaiting new battery technology to go off the grid , i do have a 25000 l rainwater tank , would like bigger but thats all space permits , grow my own seasonal veggies and i take my shopping and am an avid recycler .

Anything else  :) ?

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

I don't even care if they try answer my questions. What the Paid LNP shills here post will just be absolute s**tposting nonsense anyway designed to derail debate and contribute nothing.

You could of course start by quoting published papers. You know "the science". Instead of dribble.

You accuse people of cherry picking, not understanding the science and then defer to SkS. Sometimes known as SS and they proudly showed their photoshopped pictures of that.

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:00am: I don't even care if they try answer my questions. What the Paid LNP shills here post will just be absolute s**tposting nonsense anyway designed to derail debate and contribute nothing. You could of course start by quoting published papers. You know "the science". Instead of dribble. You accuse people of cherry picking, not understanding the science and then defer to SkS. Sometimes known as SS and they proudly showed their photoshopped pictures of that.

Kiron is your classic communist - proud, but stupid. Criticise and he goes of in a fury of disgusting abuse. Ask for facts and he provides propaganda.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:36am: Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:00am: I don't even care if they try answer my questions. What the Paid LNP shills here post will just be absolute s**tposting nonsense anyway designed to derail debate and contribute nothing. You could of course start by quoting published papers. You know "the science". Instead of dribble. You accuse people of cherry picking, not understanding the science and then defer to SkS. Sometimes known as SS and they proudly showed their photoshopped pictures of that. Kiron is your classic communist - proud, but stupid. Criticise and he goes of in a fury of disgusting abuse. Ask for facts and he provides propaganda.

Kiron is the left wing version of Longy?  :D :D :D

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 12:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 12:06pm: lee wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:36am: Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:00am: I don't even care if they try answer my questions. What the Paid LNP shills here post will just be absolute s**tposting nonsense anyway designed to derail debate and contribute nothing. You could of course start by quoting published papers. You know "the science". Instead of dribble. You accuse people of cherry picking, not understanding the science and then defer to SkS. Sometimes known as SS and they proudly showed their photoshopped pictures of that. Kiron is your classic communist - proud, but stupid. Criticise and he goes of in a fury of disgusting abuse. Ask for facts and he provides propaganda. Kiron is the left wing version of Longy?  :D :D :D

Sounds more like Stalin's love-child.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Sounds more like Stalin's love-child.

Ha ha Stalin, the left haven't been the same since that high priest of leftist insanity passed away, imagine what Stalin would have done to climate change deniers, I bet the idiot left wish they could resurrect Stalin to take care of climate change today  ;D