I just found out -
you can't even carry a little Swiss Army knife on your key ring:

You can see one here on their poster - click to open as a .pdf:

www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp?media_id=108958&status=active



An example of a nice Swiss Army knife
http://www.pdibuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/swiss_army_knife.jpg




http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=26793


Quote:

New Weapons Laws Release date: Thu 3 June 2010 Last updated: Mon 17 August 2015 The Victorian Government has introduced new laws to target knife crime. From 1 September 2015 A person 18 years of age or over must not possess, carry or use a controlled weapon such as a knife without lawful excuse. Additionally, sale of a controlled weapon to a child, or the purchase of a controlled item by a child is an offence. A disposable knife made of plastic, bamboo or wood and designed for, and utilised exclusively for eating purposes is not included in the definition of a controlled weapon. Therefore, these items are not restricted and can be used, purchased, or sold to individuals under 18 years of age. From 22 August 2010 You can be searched for knives in a public place anywhere, anytime, with and without notice. If you are 16 and over and get caught carrying a controlled weapon such as a knife, you face an on the spot fine of $1,000, or you may have to go to court and face a fine of over $14,000 or one year imprisonment. This penalty is doubled if you are inside or within 20 metres of a pub, club or bar. From 1 January 2011 If you are under 18 you will no longer able to buy any type of knife, including kitchen knives or knives for school or work. To do so is against the law and you will face a $239 on the spot fine, or you could face court and a fine of over $1,400. Anyone who knowingly sells a knife or other controlled weapon to a minor faces a fine of over $2,300.

Is this a fair law?

Just because young drunken hooligans use them for weapons
shouldn't deny other people from having one.

Banning alcohol would have been a more logical approach.

They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.

Notice here:

www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp?media_id=108958&status=active


that a machete is on there too.


I wondered why Bunnings & Masters doesn't stock them.

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Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

They are not "illegal". You just need a reason for having one.

Then it's ambiguous -

what's a lawful excuse?

" I always have one on my key ring "

Steampipe wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Banning alcohol would have been a more logical approach.

Yes - when ever you hear about knife crime it's always some drunken thug who's done it.

Notice that a fishing knife is on there too.

Therefore you can't go fishing anymore
because you'd have to carry a fishing knife -

how do you cut the fishing line or cut & scale the fish?

Spear guns are out -  so forget spear fishing too.

Kitchen knives are out -

so how do you get one from the supermarket to your kitchen without getting one year's jail & a $14,000 fine?

These new laws are ridiculous.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm: They are not "illegal". You just need a reason for having one. Then it's ambiguous - what's a lawful excuse? " I always have one on my key ring "

A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation.


Quote:

Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes: the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity; participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons. It does not include self-defence.

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm: Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm: They are not "illegal". You just need a reason for having one. Then it's ambiguous - what's a lawful excuse? " I always have one on my key ring " A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation. Quote: Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes: the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity; participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons. It does not include self-defence.

So you buy a kitchen knife in the supermarket -

how do you get it home without fear of jail?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm: Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm: They are not "illegal". You just need a reason for having one. Then it's ambiguous - what's a lawful excuse? " I always have one on my key ring " A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation. Quote: Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes: the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity; participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons. It does not include self-defence. So you buy a kitchen knife in the supermarket - how do you get it home without fear of jail?

By taking it home. Cooking is a lawful activity, you are taking the knife home to use for food prep. Lawful

I see that multi-tools are not banned yet they are just an American version of a Swiss Army Knife, and even somewhat bigger. Are they banning it because the name has Knife included in it?

There is something missing in all this.  It makes no sense.

We've had this idiocy in NSW for years.

My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem.

A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool.

I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems.

Kat wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:48pm:

We've had this idiocy in NSW for years. My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem. A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool. I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems.

Its not that crazy Kat, if you are going fishing and have a fishing knife with you then there wont be a problem, if you go down to the pub and take a fishing knife with you then the police have legal means to remove you or the knife from the premises. It is illegal to carry a shotgun around the shopping mall but its legal to take one out to the shooting range, you can legally drive down the road but you cant drive your car around the playground at the park. You just need to understand what the law means.

Steampipe wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:48pm: We've had this idiocy in NSW for years. My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem. A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool. I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems. Its not that crazy Kat, if you are going fishing and have a fishing knife with you then there wont be a problem, if you go down to the pub and take a fishing knife with you then the police have legal means to remove you or the knife from the premises. It is illegal to carry a shotgun around the shopping mall but its legal to take one out to the shooting range, you can legally drive down the road but you cant drive your car around the playground at the park. You just need to understand what the law means.

That's what I mean when I said "Something is missing," on this knife thing.  I know of no need to be licensed in Qld to have possession of a knife.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Steampipe wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:48pm: We've had this idiocy in NSW for years. My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem. A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool. I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems. Its not that crazy Kat, if you are going fishing and have a fishing knife with you then there wont be a problem, if you go down to the pub and take a fishing knife with you then the police have legal means to remove you or the knife from the premises. It is illegal to carry a shotgun around the shopping mall but its legal to take one out to the shooting range, you can legally drive down the road but you cant drive your car around the playground at the park. You just need to understand what the law means. That's what I mean when I said "Something is missing," on this knife thing.  I know of no need to be licensed in Qld to have possession of a knife.

Hi Aussie,
I was hoping that you being the resident lawyer could clear this up for us.

So - how can you buy a kitchen knife at the supermarket & take it home to your kitchen without going to jail?

Maybe if it's in your car then it's ok ?  -

but what if you were walking past a pub with it inside your supermarket bag on the way home?

The penalty is double for being within 20 meters of a pub,

therefore 2 years in jail & a $28,000 fine.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:45pm: Steampipe wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:27pm: Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:48pm: We've had this idiocy in NSW for years. My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem. A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool. I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems. Its not that crazy Kat, if you are going fishing and have a fishing knife with you then there wont be a problem, if you go down to the pub and take a fishing knife with you then the police have legal means to remove you or the knife from the premises. It is illegal to carry a shotgun around the shopping mall but its legal to take one out to the shooting range, you can legally drive down the road but you cant drive your car around the playground at the park. You just need to understand what the law means. That's what I mean when I said "Something is missing," on this knife thing.  I know of no need to be licensed in Qld to have possession of a knife. Hi Aussie, I was hoping that you being the resident lawyer could clear this up for us. So - how can you buy a kitchen knife at the supermarket & take it home to your kitchen without going to jail? Maybe if it's in your car then it's ok ?  - but what if you were walking past a pub with it inside your supermarket bag on the way home? The penalty is double for being within 20 meters of a pub, therefore 2 years in jail & a $28,000 fine.

I do not understand it at all Bobby.  It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted.  There is something missing.

Aussie,

Quote:

I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing.

Hi Aussie,
Thanks for trying.

I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car.
I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it.

I wonder if that breaks the law?

The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work
when we didn't have the right spanner etc.

cheers
Bobby.

I blame Islam.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Aussie, Quote: I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing. Hi Aussie, Thanks for trying. I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car. I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it. I wonder if that breaks the law? The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work when we didn't have the right spanner etc. cheers Bobby.

No it probably doesn't Bobby. You have the swiss army knock-off to use for car repairs, that is a legitimate reason.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm: Aussie, Quote: I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing. Hi Aussie, Thanks for trying. I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car. I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it. I wonder if that breaks the law? The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work when we didn't have the right spanner etc. cheers Bobby. No it probably doesn't Bobby. You have the swiss army knock-off to use for car repairs, that is a legitimate reason.

That's good - I will take your legal advice & leave it in there - thanks.

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:38pm:

I blame Islam.

I blame unintended consequences of ill thought out legislation.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:01pm:

Notice that a fishing knife is on there too. Therefore you can't go fishing anymore because you'd have to carry a fishing knife - how do you cut the fishing line or cut & scale the fish? Spear guns are out -  so forget spear fishing too.

fishing is a LAWFUL EXCUSE

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Aussie, Quote: I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing. Hi Aussie, Thanks for trying. I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car. I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it. I wonder if that breaks the law? The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work when we didn't have the right spanner etc. cheers Bobby.

no, it is not ... emergency tools in a tool box are a lawful excuse

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:25pm:

So - how can you buy a kitchen knife at the supermarket & take it home to your kitchen without going to jail?

Easy, you go to coles, buy the knife and walk home ... cooking is a LAWFUL EXCUSE


you can carry one when working (tradesmen), hunting, camping, fishing snorkeling, etc etc etc any ACTIVITY that is lawful ... you just can't be an 18 yr old kid out at Kings Cross (or the Victorian equivalent)  at 2 am with a knife in your pocket

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm: Aussie, Quote: I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing. Hi Aussie, Thanks for trying. I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car. I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it. I wonder if that breaks the law? The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work when we didn't have the right spanner etc. cheers Bobby. no, it is not ... emergency tools in a tool box are a lawful excuse

Thanks - there is also something like this in the toolkit which is very handy:


http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1qgkgHFXXXXXCapXXq6xXFXXXj/Outdoor-Survival-Stainless-Steel-9-In-1-Multi-Tool-Plier-Portable-Compact-Knives.jpg

that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:38pm:

I blame Islam.

Knife them.

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm: I blame Islam. Knife them.

It's a legal Activity ... or it should be :D :D :D

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm: Aussie, Quote: I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing. Hi Aussie, Thanks for trying. I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car. I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it. I wonder if that breaks the law? The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work when we didn't have the right spanner etc. cheers Bobby. no, it is not ... emergency tools in a tool box are a lawful excuse Thanks - there is also something like this in the toolkit which is very handy: http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1qgkgHFXXXXXCapXXq6xXFXXXj/Outdoor-Survival-Stainless-Steel-9-In-1-Multi-Tool-Plier-Portable-Compact-Knives.jpg

That very thing is in the glove box of one of the Cabs.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:07pm:

that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned

Yes - handy to remove bad teeth.


http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1qgkgHFXXXXXCapXXq6xXFXXXj/Outdoor-Survival-Stainless-Steel-9-In-1-Multi-Tool-Plier-Portable-Compact-Knives.jpg

Aussie wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:53pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm: Aussie, Quote: I do not understand it at all Bobby. It makes no sense for all the reasons you have posted. There is something missing. Hi Aussie, Thanks for trying. I just checked my car repair toolbox in the boot of my car. I forgot - it has a cheap imitation Swiss Army knife in it. I wonder if that breaks the law? The tool kit is handy - I've even used some tools from it at work when we didn't have the right spanner etc. cheers Bobby. no, it is not ... emergency tools in a tool box are a lawful excuse Thanks - there is also something like this in the toolkit which is very handy: http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1qgkgHFXXXXXCapXXq6xXFXXXj/Outdoor-Survival-Stainless-Steel-9-In-1-Multi-Tool-Plier-Portable-Compact-Knives.jpg That very thing is in the glove box of one of the Cabs.

Aussie -

give yourself up to the cops - you'll feel better.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth.

hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D...

we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:18pm:

give yourself up to the cops - you'll feel better.

no need. It's lawful to keep tools for emergency repairs in the car

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D

My parents just took me to the dentist. I must live on the other side of the tracks I guess.

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D My parents just took me to the dentist. I must live on the other side of the tracks I guess.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D

You poor bugger - that's child abuse.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D You poor bugger - that's child abuse.

nah ... don't be a drama queen. No different to tying a string from your tooth to a door handle and slamming the door.

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D My parents just took me to the dentist. I must live on the other side of the tracks I guess.

Why would your parents take you to the dentist for a loose tooth?

Didn't they work out that's just what happens or something?

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:20pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D My parents just took me to the dentist. I must live on the other side of the tracks I guess. Why would your parents take you to the dentist for a loose tooth? Didn't they work out that's just what happens or something?

he told you, he was from the other side of the tracks. ... Pay attention Mothra ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:22pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D You poor bugger - that's child abuse. nah ... don't be a drama queen. No different to tying a string from your tooth to a door handle and slamming the door.

That's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth
with my thumb & forefinger.
They almost used to fall out by themselves.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:26pm:

hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves.

and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D

although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt.

luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D

Bloody hell John!  :o

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:20pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:17pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:07pm: that is the leatherman tool that Kat mentioned Yes - handy to remove bad teeth. hahaha ... when I was a kid my old man used to use a pair of long nosed pliers to pull teeth, the same pair he'd been using working construction all day :D :D :D... we learnt quickly not to tell him when our teeth were loose. :D :D :D My parents just took me to the dentist. I must live on the other side of the tracks I guess. Why would your parents take you to the dentist for a loose tooth? Didn't they work out that's just what happens or something?

I never suffered child abuse to have a loose tooth taken out if needed granny. Obviously you are from the wrong side of the tracks also.

Whats up with you people ?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D

Dear John,

you're a victim of child abuse & could be entitled to compensation.

What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy?

Only $50

http://www.bladesandbows.co.uk/rambo-4-machete-3355-p.asp


http://www.bladesandbows.co.uk/ekmps/shops/bladesbows/images/rambo-4-machete-3355-p.jpg

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D

That would explain you hitting on Lisa all the time in anger, you just want to be part of a happy secure family after all that child abuse.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Dear John, you're a victim of child abuse & could be entitled to compensation.

Good call my man. Aussie ?

mothra wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Bloody hell John!  :o

it was an honest mistake .... I got a bike out of it, I was cheering

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Dear John, you're a victim of child abuse & could be entitled to compensation.

you're being a drama queen again ..... what did I say about that?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:29pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Bloody hell John!  :o it was an honest mistake .... I got a bike out of it, I was cheering

Welllllllll ... if you got a bike ....

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:29pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Bloody hell John!  :o it was an honest mistake .... I got a bike out of it, I was cheering

On your bike then.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:32pm:

What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy? http://www.bladesandbows.co.uk/ekmps/shops/bladesbows/images/rambo-4-machete-3355-p.jpg

buy ? yes, you just can't carry it out unless you're chopping sugar cane  :D :D :D (except to and from your home to the shop where you bought it)

He Man wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:33pm: mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:29pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Bloody hell John!  :o it was an honest mistake .... I got a bike out of it, I was cheering On your bike then.

I wish you'd get on yours with all your continuous dumb comments ... what are you 13 yrs old?

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:32pm: What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy? http://www.bladesandbows.co.uk/ekmps/shops/bladesbows/images/rambo-4-machete-3355-p.jpg buy ? yes, you just can't carry it out unless you're chopping sugar cane  :D :D :D (except to and from your home to the shop where you bought it)

It's from the UK.
I don't think it would get through customs as it looks like a sword.

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:35pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:33pm: mothra wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:29pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:26pm: hat's silly -  when I was kid I pulled out my loose baby teeth with my thumb & forefinger. They almost used to fall out by themselves. and yet you're the one claiming it was child abuse :D :D :D although I do remember one occasion when he grabbed the wrong tooth ... now that hurt. luckily I got away before he got it out. :D :D :D Bloody hell John!  :o it was an honest mistake .... I got a bike out of it, I was cheering On your bike then. I wish you'd get on yours with all your continuous dumb comments ... what are you 13 yrs old?

You have been exposed as being into young children, disgusting.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:32pm: What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy? http://www.bladesandbows.co.uk/ekmps/shops/bladesbows/images/rambo-4-machete-3355-p.jpg buy ? yes, you just can't carry it out unless you're chopping sugar cane  :D :D :D (except to and from your home to the shop where you bought it) It's from the UK. I don't think it would get through customs as it looks like a sword.

Bump - would it be allowed through customs?  -

remember Bunnings & Masters don't sell machetes.

They must be illegal ?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:32pm:

What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy? Only $50

Yes, if you have a lawful excuse.

Edit: Importing weapons requires the appropriate permits, depending on the weapon

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:32pm: What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy? Only $50 Yes, if you have a lawful excuse. Edit: Importing weapons requires the appropriate permits, depending on the weapon

Except that it's no more a weapon than a brush cutter.


https://www.knife-depot.com/bundles/ircknifedepotcom/images/articles/machete-buying-guide/machete-styles.jpg

Back to Swiss Army knives.
I reckon they look nice on a key ring:


http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg

A gadget that has just enough tools like LED light, USB flash drive, ball point-pen, scissors, keyring, removable knife and much more is Swiss Flash USB .



http://geeksbest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Swiss-Flash-USB-Knife.jpg

http://www.vicfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/victorinox-zodiac-classic-aries-01.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q732/springbrooks7/product/swiss/swiss_similar_recom.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:02am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 5:57am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:32pm: What about a Rambo machete - is that legal to buy? Only $50 Yes, if you have a lawful excuse. Edit: Importing weapons requires the appropriate permits, depending on the weapon Except that it's no more a weapon than a brush cutter.

What is a weapon for customs purposes is described by the law. These are not definitions that people get to just make up for themselves.


Quote:

​Single edged fixed blades are typically allowed into Australia. This includes items like kitchen knives, hunting or fishing knives.

You're right &:

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Ente/Brin/Can-I-bring-it-back/Can-I-Bring-It-Back-Market-Goods-And-Shopping/Can-I-Bring-Multi-Tool-Knives-Back


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Can I Bring it Back? Multi-tool knives More Info ​You can usually bring in multi-tool knives unless they have blades which open automatically or can be opened by flicking them open. Penalties ​Prohibited and restricted imports Examples ​Pocket Knife, Swiss army knife, handyman tool Exceptions Related websites

So you are allowed to import a Swiss Army knife but not carry one - in Victoria.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:54am:

You're right &: https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Ente/Brin/Can-I-bring-it-back/Can-I-Bring-It-Back-Market-Goods-And-Shopping/Can-I-Bring-Multi-Tool-Knives-Back Quote: Can I Bring it Back? Multi-tool knives More Info ​You can usually bring in multi-tool knives unless they have blades which open automatically or can be opened by flicking them open. Penalties ​Prohibited and restricted imports Examples ​Pocket Knife, Swiss army knife, handyman tool Exceptions Related websites So you are allowed to import a Swiss Army knife but not carry one - in Victoria.

You can carry it, as long as you have a good reason. You can't carry it around "because you want to" or "for protection". That's all.

The main reasons that someone would have one are usually allowed. This applies to anything that can be used as a weapon.

Carrying a tire iron in your car = ok, carrying it around everywhere you go on your person, not so much.

The issue Sir Bobby seems to have is that hes assuming the police aren't going to exercise decision making. If you're walking home with a shopping bag with a cooking knife in it, the cops will probably assume you've just bought it and therefore assume its lawful.


If you're brandishing it as you're walking down the street, they probably won't.

No, I do not feel any of you should be allowed to carry a Swiss Army Knife. I have seen episodes of MacGyver  and know what mischief  one can cause.  ;)

Bloody lunacy

No guns no knives or pocket knives

For who? Only the law abiding citizens

Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them

Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Bloody lunacy No guns no knives or pocket knives For who? Only the law abiding citizens Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda

It's not supposed to stop criminals getting knives. It is supposed to increase the risk to them carrying them around to use for criminal acts.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg

When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener.

As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one.

I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it.

D
Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bloody lunacy No guns no knives or pocket knives For who? Only the law abiding citizens Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda It's not supposed to stop criminals getting knives. It is supposed to increase the risk to them carrying them around to use for criminal acts.

The only increase in risk is for law abiding citizens ... Crims are risk takers they don't give a toss about laws.

That's why they're crims  ::)

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it.

Well Baron - we live in a nanny state.
I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls.
It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife.

The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place -
so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it. Well Baron - we live in a nanny state. I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls. It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife. The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place - so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it.

It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting?

There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it. Well Baron - we live in a nanny state. I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls. It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife. The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place - so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it. It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting? There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives.

They should change the law to-

people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife.

I think by 30 people are sensible?

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q732/springbrooks7/product/swiss/swiss_similar_recom.jpg

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:09pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bloody lunacy No guns no knives or pocket knives For who? Only the law abiding citizens Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda It's not supposed to stop criminals getting knives. It is supposed to increase the risk to them carrying them around to use for criminal acts. The only increase in risk is for law abiding citizens ... Crims are risk takers they don't give a toss about laws. That's why they're crims  ::)

Risk is what drives criminal deterrence. They don't care about laws, but they do care about being caught breaking them.

The risk to law-abiding citizens is negligible.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it. Well Baron - we live in a nanny state. I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls. It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife. The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place - so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it. It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting? There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives. They should change the law to- people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife. I think by 30 people are sensible?

If you were to pick up any knife in your own home for self defence you wouldn't be considering the Swiss army knife as a choice.

It exposes what a nanny state we have become by banning this harmless tool.

Not allowing them in carry on luggage when flying, making people pack them in suitcases is all they need to restrict with this particular knife.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it. Well Baron - we live in a nanny state. I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls. It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife. The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place - so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it. It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting? There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives. They should change the law to- people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife. I think by 30 people are sensible? If you were to pick up any knife in your own home for self defence you wouldn't be considering the Swiss army knife as a choice. It exposes what a nanny state we have become by banning this harmless tool. Not allowing them in carry on luggage when flying, making people pack them in suitcases is all they need to restrict with this particular knife.

I wouldn't travel without one.

I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too.....like I was going to hijack the plane or something.

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:18pm: Kytro wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:09pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Bloody lunacy No guns no knives or pocket knives For who? Only the law abiding citizens Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda It's not supposed to stop criminals getting knives. It is supposed to increase the risk to them carrying them around to use for criminal acts. The only increase in risk is for law abiding citizens ... Crims are risk takers they don't give a toss about laws. That's why they're crims  ::) Risk is what drives criminal deterrence. They don't care about laws, but they do care about being caught breaking them. The risk to law-abiding citizens is negligible.

We'll see.... Bet some innocents get caught out inadvertently.

Too many nanny state laws catering to the minority ( yes crims are a minority still/ so far).

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

We'll see.... Bet some innocents get caught out inadvertently. Too many nanny state laws catering to the minority ( yes crims are a minority still/ so far).

It's certainty possible that a cop will use the law incorrectly, or for dodgy reasons, but if they are looking to make an arrest, they will almost certainly find a way.

I am willing bet there is a very low chance of any successful prosecution unless someone is basically carrying it for no reason at all.

Arguing that we shouldn't have laws to prevent crime is a bit odd. It would be like not searching customs because  most people don't import things they shouldn't.

There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about this type of legislation, but on balance I think it helps more than it hurts. It's not going to restrict people's activities for the most part, and it could help to create a deterrence.

Do you know how handy a pocket knife can be for many situations?

None of which are of criminal intent.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:16am:

http://www.vicfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/victorinox-zodiac-classic-aries-01.jpg

That's the one I keep in my bike-toolbox.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm: Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm: They are not "illegal". You just need a reason for having one. Then it's ambiguous - what's a lawful excuse? " I always have one on my key ring " A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation. Quote: Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes: the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity; participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons. It does not include self-defence. So you buy a kitchen knife in the supermarket - how do you get it home without fear of jail?

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/60589035.jpg http://geeksout.org/sites/default/files/blog-images/Yoda%20Fail.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it. Well Baron - we live in a nanny state. I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls. It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife. The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place - so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it. It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting? There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives. They should change the law to- people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife. I think by 30 people are sensible?

many blessings sir bobby ..

you crave to have a master

and as such , true mastery elludes you

this is ok and cool , and

as such forgiven

namaste

The other SAK, which I usually don't carry unless I know I'll need it.

---

master Light,

Quote:

many blessings sir bobby .. you crave to have a master and as such , true mastery elludes you this is ok and cool , and as such forgiven namaste

Dear master Light,
I have asked unto thee for guidance & yet none has been forthcoming.

I have yet to find a King worthy of my sword and
remember -  as a true knight - I am sworn to the quest.

you are forgiven

namaste

Ex Dame Pansi,

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I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something.

How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife!

I have a Swiss Army Knife but I usually only use it as a can opener.

I used to carry a Leatherman in my bag.  It came in handy for all sorts of things but it was confiscated at the airport a few years ago.  I had forgotten it was there.  I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't get it back.   :(

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

I have a Swiss Army Knife but I usually only use it as a can opener. I used to carry a Leatherman in my bag.  It came in handy for all sorts of things but it was confiscated at the airport a few years ago.  I had forgotten it was there.  I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't get it back.   :(

I had a Swiss army knife confiscated at Brisbane Airport a long time ago.
It was so small that the blade was half the length of my little finger -
it was the smallest one you could buy & it had been on my key ring for 15 years or more.

Anyway - they took it & luckily didn't charge me with terrorism.
They even said that I could have it mailed back to me if I paid $15.
I said it was an old knife & the side plastic  was broken so I would
rather put the $15 towards a new one.

When I finally got another one it cost just $5 -
a cheap Chinese copy which
I have never put on my key ring again owing to the silly new laws.
It's a pain in the arse not having one.

Things would happen like I would split my finger nail & I could
use the scissors & file on that knife to make a repair to stop it splitting more.
Now I can't do that.
It was also good at work to open plastic bags & cardboard boxes.

oh well - it's all over now.

*

I probably would have elected to pay $15 to get my Leatherman posted back but I was not given that option. 

It was a really good quality one and I have tried replacing it with cheaper ones since then but they are all rubbish and I won't spend a couple of hundred dollars on a similar replacement.

Oh well   :(

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

I probably would have elected to pay $15 to get my Leatherman posted back but I was not given that option.  It was a really good quality one and I have tried replacing it with cheaper ones since then but they are all rubbish and I won't spend a couple of hundred dollars on a similar replacement. Oh well   :(

Wow - they've got tougher - no post it back to you option!

I heard they have  10,000 or more of them at Melbourne Airport in a container.

They look on your key ring as they go through the X-Ray
& they find a dozen or more every day -
people have them on their key ring & forget they are there.

Imagine how much that container load is worth?

They should, at least, have given me the option to put it in checked luggage.

Apparently you can't even have tweezers in your hand luggage.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

They should, at least, have given me the option to put it in checked luggage. Apparently you can't even have tweezers in your hand luggage.

My late Aunty had her lipstick & makeup cream confiscated
at an Airport in the USA.
How could a 74 year old -  old lady be a threat?

Swiss Cards are another item that can land you in trouble with the nanny-state laws.

A handy little item that you can keep in your wallet or purse, they draw the attention of airline security and you can miss a flight if you don't bin it. There could even be charges laid, even if you DO bin it:

http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/mackay/2014/11/26/notice-appear-court-knife-possession-airport-mackay/

There are a number of types of these cards, but the Victorinox I used to carry all the time does possess a (VERY) small, sharp blade. When one considers that the blade, plus handle, fits into a small, thin card - well, you just know that it has lethal capability.  ::)

I, myself, need to buy another cane knife, a Spear & Jackson SJ-2100615:

https://www.toolmart.com.au/sj-2100615.html

For $35 it's a very handy tool around the yard. It'll drop a foot-thick banana tree in one one swipe, which is a pretty good effort if you've ever attempted to drop a banana tree.

Funnily enough, Brisbane City Council issues (or used to) their workers with a stainless steel lock-back single-edge knife with a 75mm blade. I've got one I carry at work (and to and from home).

Are these items then considered legal because one is used in a profession and the other used as a garden utensil?

Obviously you don't carry a cane knife down the street, but what about the pocket knife?

I also used to carry a Leatherman on my belt when motorcycle riding, albeit a 30 yo motorcycle. is that considered a tool or a weapon?

One remembers the old aluminium combs with the sharp handle.

Just sayin'.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:55pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:42pm: I have a Swiss Army Knife but I usually only use it as a can opener. I used to carry a Leatherman in my bag.  It came in handy for all sorts of things but it was confiscated at the airport a few years ago.  I had forgotten it was there.  I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't get it back.   :( I had a Swiss army knife confiscated at Brisbane Airport a long time ago. It was so small that the blade was half the length of my little finger - it was the smallest one you could buy & it had been on my key ring for 15 years or more. Anyway - they took it & luckily didn't charge me with terrorism. They even said that I could have it mailed back to me if I paid $15. I said it was an old knife & the side plastic  was broken so I would rather put the $15 towards a new one. When I finally got another one it cost just $5 - a cheap Chinese copy which I have never put on my key ring again owing to the silly new laws. It's a pain in the arse not having one. Things would happen like I would split my finger nail & I could use the scissors & file on that knife to make a repair to stop it splitting more. Now I can't do that. It was also good at work to open plastic bags & cardboard boxes. oh well - it's all over now.

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I split my finger nail -  ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz2_d6zWDhg

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:03pm: I probably would have elected to pay $15 to get my Leatherman posted back but I was not given that option.  It was a really good quality one and I have tried replacing it with cheaper ones since then but they are all rubbish and I won't spend a couple of hundred dollars on a similar replacement. Oh well   :( Wow - they've got tougher - no post it back to you option! I heard they have  10,000 or more of them at Melbourne Airport in a container. They look on your key ring as they go through the X-Ray & they find a dozen or more every day - people have them on their key ring & forget they are there. Imagine how much that container load is worth?

They probably sell them on ebay ;)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:48pm:

I split my finger nail -  ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz2_d6zWDhg

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Come on Master Light,

tell us all your Swiss army knife story.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:49pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:29pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:14am: Back to Swiss Army knives. I reckon they look nice on a key ring: http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-Lg.jpg When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener. As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one. I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it. Well Baron - we live in a nanny state. I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls. It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife. The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place - so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it. It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting? There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives. They should change the law to- people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife. I think by 30 people are sensible? If you were to pick up any knife in your own home for self defence you wouldn't be considering the Swiss army knife as a choice. It exposes what a nanny state we have become by banning this harmless tool. Not allowing them in carry on luggage when flying, making people pack them in suitcases is all they need to restrict with this particular knife. I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too.....like I was going to hijack the plane or something.

Political correctness is why old and middle aged non muslim women are put through this when they fly, anyone who has watched the news since the 70's knows who hijacks planes.

Baron,

Quote:

Political correctness is why old and middle aged non muslim women are put through this when they fly, anyone who has watched the news since the 70's knows who hijacks planes.

The terrorist have won because we all have to suffer ridiculous security checks
when it's obvious we aren't terrorists -

e.g.

hassling old ladies at the airport - come on - gimme a break -

Grandma is gunna hijack the plane & fly into the WTC.   ;D

A Swiss army knife is not a knife -

this is a knife:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrHj82gZqg


http://www.chefdepot.com/kasumi2.htm


Quote:

This is a new Kasumi Damascus Chef Knife with a 8 in. blade, it's the sharpest damascus blade made. The edge that it holds is hair splitting and remains throughout heavy use. The non slip ergo handle is very comfortable and virtually indestructible, perfect for every serious Chef. We could not believe how sharp these knives were until we tried each one. Kasumi knives are made from 33 layers of stainless steel in Seki Japan. Kasumi V Gold No. 10 Damascus Knives are crafted from the most advanced materials with the most advanced manufacturing techniques. Only the middle layer acts as the cutting edge, and it is made using V Gold No. 10 stainless steel. Each Kasumi knife blade is a high carbon stainless steel with cobalt, manganese, molybdenum and vanadium for added durability and ease of sharpening. The layers on both sides of the Kasumi knife V Gold No. 10 core are made by repeatedly folding together two different types of stainless steel and forge welding them by hand until you have sixteen exceedingly thin alternating layers. These sixteen layers are then forge welded to both sides of the V Gold No. 10 core. The addition of cobalt to this steel requires special tempering in order to maximize the full benefit of this steel. The technique for this special tempering is a closely guarded secret. Each Kasumi knife has a laminated pakka wood handle secured with stainless steel rivets. They also have a full tang. The handle is made from multiple layers of wood impregnated with a plastic resin. The handle is riveted to the tang. Chefs Note: This is the sharpest knife out of the box! Possibly our favorite knife. Comfortable and perfectly balanced. Each knife is carefully finished by the hands of skilled craftsmen. You will love this knife! A beautiful knife that will provide a lifetime of use and the ultimate in performance. Lifetime Warranty

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

Baron, Quote: Political correctness is why old and middle aged non muslim women are put through this when they fly, anyone who has watched the news since the 70's knows who hijacks planes. The terrorist have won because we all have to suffer ridiculous security checks when it's obvious we aren't terrorists - e.g. hassling old ladies at the airport - come on - gimme a break - Grandma is gunna hijack the plane & fly into the WTC.   ;D

Gotta watch out for GOLF - Golden Oldies Liberation Front.... no old lady can be trusted... when I was securing your airports and your Olympics site for you I had to explain that to the staff..... Greeks etc never believe Oldies can be bad news.... trust nobody is the watchword..... or you could end up dogmeat.... and nobody wants to scrape and clean you off the walls...

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:54pm:

A Swiss army knife is not a knife - this is a knife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrHj82gZqg http://www.chefdepot.com/kasumi2.htm Quote: This is a new Kasumi Damascus Chef Knife with a 8 in. blade, it's the sharpest damascus blade made. The edge that it holds is hair splitting and remains throughout heavy use. The non slip ergo handle is very comfortable and virtually indestructible, perfect for every serious Chef. We could not believe how sharp these knives were until we tried each one. Kasumi knives are made from 33 layers of stainless steel in Seki Japan. Kasumi V Gold No. 10 Damascus Knives are crafted from the most advanced materials with the most advanced manufacturing techniques. Only the middle layer acts as the cutting edge, and it is made using V Gold No. 10 stainless steel. Each Kasumi knife blade is a high carbon stainless steel with cobalt, manganese, molybdenum and vanadium for added durability and ease of sharpening. The layers on both sides of the Kasumi knife V Gold No. 10 core are made by repeatedly folding together two different types of stainless steel and forge welding them by hand until you have sixteen exceedingly thin alternating layers. These sixteen layers are then forge welded to both sides of the V Gold No. 10 core. The addition of cobalt to this steel requires special tempering in order to maximize the full benefit of this steel. The technique for this special tempering is a closely guarded secret. Each Kasumi knife has a laminated pakka wood handle secured with stainless steel rivets. They also have a full tang. The handle is made from multiple layers of wood impregnated with a plastic resin. The handle is riveted to the tang. Chefs Note: This is the sharpest knife out of the box! Possibly our favorite knife. Comfortable and perfectly balanced. Each knife is carefully finished by the hands of skilled craftsmen. You will love this knife! A beautiful knife that will provide a lifetime of use and the ultimate in performance. Lifetime Warranty

Wa-karimsuka!  Ceremonial beheading Samurai Dai Ichi.. many apple die for Emperor!  Now gai-jin watch while perfect balance throwing is made to strike coconut tree in half!!  HAI!  Honourable knife gut eight metre shark one sweep!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:38pm: Baron, Quote: Political correctness is why old and middle aged non muslim women are put through this when they fly, anyone who has watched the news since the 70's knows who hijacks planes. The terrorist have won because we all have to suffer ridiculous security checks when it's obvious we aren't terrorists - e.g. hassling old ladies at the airport - come on - gimme a break - Grandma is gunna hijack the plane & fly into the WTC.   ;D Gotta watch out for GOLF - Golden Oldies Liberation Front.... no old lady can be trusted... when I was securing your airports and your Olympics site for you I had to explain that to the staff..... Greeks etc never believe Oldies can be bad news.... trust nobody is the watchword..... or you could end up dogmeat.... and nobody wants to scrape and clean you off the walls...

You are joking of course?

It's about political correctness -

if they just pulled over 18 to 30 year old Muzzies for a good check up
they would be told off for discrimination.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:05pm:

Wa-karimsuka!  Ceremonial beheading Samurai Dai Ichi.. many apple die for Emperor!  Now gai-jin watch while perfect balance throwing is made to strike coconut tree in half!!  HAI!  Honourable knife gut eight metre shark one sweep!

Like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyO46RQhYkQ

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

Ex Dame Pansi, Quote: I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something. How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife!

That's not cool Bobby, I also carry my laser light with me when I'm out and about. I'm so glad Customs didn't find that in my luggage.....they took my knife, I kept the prohibited item, we're even now.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:34pm: Ex Dame Pansi, Quote: I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something. How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife! That's not cool Bobby, I also carry my laser light with me when I'm out and about. I'm so glad Customs didn't find that in my luggage.....they took my knife, I kept the prohibited item, we're even now.

Dear ex Dame Pansi,

give yourself up - confess & get this off your chest.

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:27am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:34pm: Ex Dame Pansi, Quote: I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something. How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife! That's not cool Bobby, I also carry my laser light with me when I'm out and about. I'm so glad Customs didn't find that in my luggage.....they took my knife, I kept the prohibited item, we're even now. Dear ex Dame Pansi, give yourself up - confess & get this off your chest. namaste

Master Sir Bobby

forgive me for I have sinned

I knew not what I dideth

I was under the spell

of the She Devil

she raindeth down

bad thoughts

unto my heart and soul

I will forever be

at the mercy of the gods

and I shall spend

my last days in the house

of the lepers

forever and ever

so be it

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:05pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:27am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:34pm: Ex Dame Pansi, Quote: I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something. How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife! That's not cool Bobby, I also carry my laser light with me when I'm out and about. I'm so glad Customs didn't find that in my luggage.....they took my knife, I kept the prohibited item, we're even now. Dear ex Dame Pansi, give yourself up - confess & get this off your chest. namaste Master Sir Bobby forgive me for I have sinned I knew not what I dideth I was under the spell of the She Devil she raindeth down bad thoughts unto my heart and soul I will forever be at the mercy of the gods and I shall spend my last days in the house of the lepers forever and ever so be it

Dear ex Dame Pansi,
If any are in confusion , one such as I am

exposes the darkness without permission

or approval yes this work is not for the faint

hearted beloved ones ... and this is why and

from the energy in which I emanate in whom I am

as a humble servant in the divine

and sacred LIGHT as we continue

to monitor all thoughts word

and deed ,and so it is

namaste

Master Bobby

humble servant of the

light workers

and of the light

one such as you are

shall remain in the

realm of the worthy

to be loved

as all are loved

and so it is

*Namaste

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

Master Bobby humble servant of the light workers and of the light one such as you are shall remain in the realm of the worthy to be loved as all are loved and so it is *Namaste

Thanks - at least someone loves me.   :'(

Bobby. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 4:05pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:27am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:34pm: Ex Dame Pansi, Quote: I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something. How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife! That's not cool Bobby, I also carry my laser light with me when I'm out and about. I'm so glad Customs didn't find that in my luggage.....they took my knife, I kept the prohibited item, we're even now. Dear ex Dame Pansi, give yourself up - confess & get this off your chest. namaste Master Sir Bobby forgive me for I have sinned I knew not what I dideth I was under the spell of the She Devil she raindeth down bad thoughts unto my heart and soul I will forever be at the mercy of the gods and I shall spend my last days in the house of the lepers forever and ever so be it Dear ex Dame Pansi, If any are in confusion , one such as I am exposes the darkness without permission or approval yes this work is not for the faint hearted beloved ones ... and this is why and from the energy in which I emanate in whom I am as a humble servant in the divine and sacred LIGHT as we continue to monitor all thoughts word and deed ,and so it is namaste

many blessings sir bobby

you may have the care to think and write in your own style

there is a difference between flattery and  plagiarism

ye are guilty of the later

ye may consider self bann for 5 minutes

yet ye are forgiven and so be it

namaste

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/trainertom/frencharmyknife.jpg

master Light,

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many blessings sir bobby you may have the care to think and write in your own style there is a difference between flattery and  plagiarism ye are guilty of the later ye may consider self ban for 5 minutes yet ye are forgiven and so be it namaste

Dear master Light,

I have completed my self ban & I'm back.

Yes - I am guilty of plagiarism of the one and only master on Ozpolitic.

Now - you owe us all your Swiss army knife story!

namaste

miketrees wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/trainertom/frencharmyknife.jpg

That's genuinely funny.

Does that make me a bigot?