The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges

Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30021705/shorten-in-clear-at-unions-commission/

"Federal Labor leader Bill Shorten is not expected to face any adverse findings from the trade unions royal commission after the inquiry's lawyers said he did not engage in criminal or unlawful conduct while a union official.

However, commission lawyers did urge a finding that Mr Shorten's successor as head of the Victorian branch of the Australian Workers' Union (AWU), now-Victorian MP Cesar Melhem, may have breached laws regarding corrupt commissions in relation to $25,000 in payments the union received from cleaning contractor Cleanevent.

In submissions released late on Friday night, counsel assisting the commission made no suggestion that Commissioner Dyson Heydon make findings against Mr Shorten in relation to his time as leader of the AWU.

"There is no submission that Mr Bill Shorten may have engaged in any criminal or unlawful conduct," a statement from the commission said."

Best side with the angels, Maqqa.... the trolls on Ozpolitic are unworthy of your attention... let's just stick with the facts....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:28pm:

"There is no submission that Mr Bill Shorten may have engaged in any criminal or unlawful conduct," a statement from the commission said. "

Yep, no submission.

lee wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:28pm: "There is no submission that Mr Bill Shorten may have engaged in any criminal or unlawful conduct," a statement from the commission said. " Yep, no submission.

Read it again - that's - errr - submission from the council assisting the commission - those who are effectively the prosecution lawyers.... not from lawyers representing Shorten.

Some of you kids need to keep up.

Funny thing is, this story came out on Friday night when everyone is out and about partying for TGIF.....  that means on Monday the usual suspect newspapers can go straight back to throwing sh!t at Shorten over 'allegations in the royal commission'....

What a joke....

Maqqa wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU

if memory serves me correct... Melham just carried on the work that Bull Shitten had already set up...

although, documentation may have been lost in the shredder...  >:(

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:16pm: The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU if memory serves me correct... Melham just carried on the work that Bull Shitten had already set up... although, documentation may have been lost in the shredder...  >:(

Exactly. We will never know the true extent of Shorten's involvement thanks to the illegal shredding of papers.

wouldnt it be the first time in history if a leader of one of the top parties in the country was charged with a CRIME?... lets be honest here.. shortarse takes all the credit whenever he can.. but --------------

its the usual case of pass the buck...is anyone surprised..look at THOMO they bent the rules so far I am surprised he hasnt been compensated for his time.. ::) ::) ::) ::).. you just need the right mouthpiece or position..

why would thye try so hard to remove the JUDGE if he didnt have something to answer too..

I dont know who they think they are kidding...it just makes me more and more determined not to vote for either of the bastards....I wouldnt give them the time of day letalone my vote.

And the right-wing stupidity just rolls onwards.

You are FOOLS.

Kat wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:09am:

And the right-wing stupidity just rolls onwards. You are FOOLS.

its takes one to know one.. >:(

Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:26am:

Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'.

Just watch.

Like the pink batts scheme, we'll have this lot whinging for the next 12 months, refusing to accept the umpire's decision.

Quote:

Bill Shorten himself can breath easier, even though his former union, his successor and some companies he dealt with all face the possibility of criminal charges: The Commissioner investigating trade union corruption has been advised that Bill Shorten did not engage in any criminal or unlawful conduct. No evidence was given proving Shorten broke the law as head of the Australian Workers Union. Yet this happened under his nose: Mr Stoljar said a common theme in seven AWU Victoria case studies being probed by the commission was that secret payments were made by businesses to the union “in many cases” amid enterprise bargaining negotiations which “profoundly weakens the union’s position”. Other themes running through the case studies were bogus invoices and inflated union memberships. In some cases, workers, such as those employed by agricultural group Chiquita Mushrooms, ended up being worse off financially than they were previous employment agreements. “The fact that a union has entered into an undisclosed arrangement during that bargaining process pursuant to which it receives significant sums from an employer is likely to inhibit the ability of the union vigorously to defend and prosecute its members’ interests in relation to that employer,’’ Mr Stoljar said. He said it was not suggested that any AWU officials personally benefited from the conduct but “nevertheless the submissions are to the effect that the AWU Vic itself, and a number of officials, may have committed offences”. And while Shorten may indeed have acted legally, did he act properly? Mr Stoljar rejected Mr Shorten’s reasoning or signing away worker’s rights at cleaning company Cleanevent — which cost 5000-odd workers up to $400m in lost wages. In 2004, under Mr Shorten, AWU Victoria entered an EBA which stripped workers of the company of nightime and weekend penalty rates which saw workers paid, in many cases, less than half of what they were entitled under the industry award. Mr Shorten, who was the AWU Victoria general secretary from 1998 to 2007 and AWU National Secretary from 2001 to 2007, told the commission he had agreed to this arrangement because it was “fanciful in the real world” that cleaners were being paid award penalty rates. In his submission, Mr Stoljar said there was “little evidence” to support that claim. “There is little evidence that other employers in the industry were paying less than award rates, although that of course is always possible,” he said. Mr Shorten is unlikely to face any fallout from his role in arranging for struggling construction firm Unibuilt to pay the wages of staffer Lance Wilson during his 2007 election campaign. However Mr Melhem may have broken AWU rules for writing off a debt Unibuilt owed to the union, the submissions state. And: While he does not call for charges against Mr Shorten, Mr Stoljar’s submission acknowledges Mr Shorten’s role as then Victorian AWU secretary in initial discussions over the idea of Thiess John Holland making payments to the union.

what a rotten **** Bull Shitten is...

and the forum lapdogs just love him.... why? because they are all rolling in the same bed of fleas...

Kat wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:33am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:26am: Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'. Just watch. Like the pink batts scheme, we'll have this lot whinging for the next 12 months, refusing to accept the umpire's decision.

why would you support a grub that signed away 400 million dollars in lost wages???

Melhem takes one for Shorten?

For some posters honesty is a foreign concept - there is nothing honest about this claim.

Mud sticks and I think Mr Shorten is already wearing quite a bit.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:16pm: The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU if memory serves me correct... Melham just carried on the work that Bull Shitten had already set up... although, documentation may have been lost in the shredder...  >:(

if memory serves me correct... Melham just carried on the work that Bull Shitten had already set up.


You were there ? It appears that memory hasn't served you very well though this is understandable with it being over 10 years ago. Maybe you should review your meeting notes.

cods wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:24am:

Kat wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:09am: And the right-wing stupidity just rolls onwards. You are FOOLS. its takes one to know one.. >:(

Gee that is a funny admission ? I don't agree with you cods.

Kat wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:33am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:26am: Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'. Just watch. Like the pink batts scheme, we'll have this lot whinging for the next 12 months, refusing to accept the umpire's decision.

Yes, after all no one really died in Labors pink batts disaster. No one had their house burn down and no one had their business collapse when Labor abruptly axed the deadly scheme!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:26am:

Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'.

:) :) Poor righties , yet another Gillard gotcha moment  :) :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Kat wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:26am: Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'. Just watch. Like the pink batts scheme, we'll have this lot whinging for the next 12 months, refusing to accept the umpire's decision. Yes, after all no one really died in Labors pink batts disaster. No one had their house burn down and no one had their business collapse when Labor abruptly axed the deadly scheme!

Considering 1.2m homes were retrofitted with insulation, about 20 years worth of work, there were fewes deaths and fewer fires than if the scheme had not been introduced.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Considering 1.2m homes were retrofitted with insulation, about 20 years worth of work, there were fewes deaths and fewer fires than if the scheme had not been introduced.

Can you show statistics for that? Seeing as the insulation installed was about reducing temperatures - what is the correlation to fires? I have never heard of the sun creating a house fire yet.

Were the deaths produced by AGW?

Talking about Shorten and shredder

Didn't Rudd have a Shreddergate as well?

Kat wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:33am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:26am: Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'. Just watch. Like the pink batts scheme, we'll have this lot whinging for the next 12 months, refusing to accept the umpire's decision.

But if the decision was the other way - Shuttin would be claiming bias

Maqqa wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:33am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:26am: Shorten found guilty by Ozpolitic 'lawyers'. Just watch. Like the pink batts scheme, we'll have this lot whinging for the next 12 months, refusing to accept the umpire's decision. But if the decision was the other way - Shuttin would be claiming bias

Bit of bad luck eh mate, better luck next time  ;D

lee wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 11:44am: Considering 1.2m homes were retrofitted with insulation, about 20 years worth of work, there were fewes deaths and fewer fires than if the scheme had not been introduced. Can you show statistics for that? Seeing as the insulation installed was about reducing temperatures - what is the correlation to fires? I have never heard of the sun creating a house fire yet. Were the deaths produced by AGW?

The problem with fires form these installations was highlighted by the volume of new installations from the scheme.

Prior to this the fires has been occurring at a higher rate for the previous 10 years or more but the lower volume of installations was masking the problem.


The fact that conductive sheets and electricity do not mix well was not a new discovery.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:16pm:

The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU

The level of ignorance on what a RC can do is mind blowing, even though I have explained it many times.  A RC does not have any power to charge anyone.  It can make findings and make recommendations, and those are merely administrative.  I have used to the Cole RC into the Building and Construction Industry which made adverse findings and recommendations against many people, and not one of them was even charged with any offence, let alone convicted.

Further, the RC has not made any adverse findings against Melham.  All that happened on Friday evening was that Jeremy Stoljar, the Barrister Assisting the RC (the Prosecutor, if you like) made submissions urging that the RC make adverse findings.

You'd be a bit of a DNA (aka fool) to believe Shorten has not been hammered badly by all of this. He was neck deep in shonky and unethical behaviour.  And his 17% polls - and dropping - are the evidence.

cods wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:06am:

wouldnt it be the first time in history if a leader of one of the top parties in the country was charged with a CRIME?... lets be honest here.. shortarse takes all the credit whenever he can.. but -------------- its the usual case of pass the buck...is anyone surprised..look at THOMO they bent the rules so far I am surprised he hasnt been compensated for his time.. ::) ::) ::) ::).. you just need the right mouthpiece or position.. why would thye try so hard to remove the JUDGE if he didnt have something to answer too.. I dont know who they think they are kidding...it just makes me more and more determined not to vote for either of the bastards....I wouldnt give them the time of day letalone my vote.

Charged with what crime, by whom? As far as I recall this was an investigation, one in which Bill was cleared. To claim that he is somehow guilty and charged with anything is completely irrational and unreasonable.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

You'd be a bit of a DNA (aka fool) to believe Shorten has not been hammered badly by all of this. He was neck deep in shonky and unethical behaviour.  And his 17% polls - and dropping - are the evidence.

They only thing Shorten had going for him was not being Abbott. Honesty he is a terrible choice for leader, accusations aside.

Kytro wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 3:02pm:

cods wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 6:06am: wouldnt it be the first time in history if a leader of one of the top parties in the country was charged with a CRIME?... lets be honest here.. shortarse takes all the credit whenever he can.. but -------------- its the usual case of pass the buck...is anyone surprised..look at THOMO they bent the rules so far I am surprised he hasnt been compensated for his time.. ::) ::) ::) ::).. you just need the right mouthpiece or position.. why would thye try so hard to remove the JUDGE if he didnt have something to answer too.. I dont know who they think they are kidding...it just makes me more and more determined not to vote for either of the bastards....I wouldnt give them the time of day letalone my vote. Charged with what crime, by whom? As far as I recall this was an investigation, one in which Bill was cleared. To claim that he is somehow guilty and charged with anything is completely irrational and unreasonable.

Its OK codsy does go off half cocked at times, despite that she is one of my favourites in any subject except Labor!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:16pm: The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU The level of ignorance on what a RC can do is mind blowing, even though I have explained it many times.  A RC does not have any power to charge anyone.  It can make findings and make recommendations, and those are merely administrative.  I have used to the Cole RC into the Building and Construction Industry which made adverse findings and recommendations against many people, and not one of them was even charged with any offence, let alone convicted. Further, the RC has not made any adverse findings against Melham.  All that happened on Friday evening was that Jeremy Stoljar, the Barrister Assisting the RC (the Prosecutor, if you like) made submissions urging that the RC make adverse findings.

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mariacostel wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:16pm: The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU The level of ignorance on what a RC can do is mind blowing, even though I have explained it many times.  A RC does not have any power to charge anyone.  It can make findings and make recommendations, and those are merely administrative.  I have used to the Cole RC into the Building and Construction Industry which made adverse findings and recommendations against many people, and not one of them was even charged with any offence, let alone convicted. Further, the RC has not made any adverse findings against Melham.  All that happened on Friday evening was that Jeremy Stoljar, the Barrister Assisting the RC (the Prosecutor, if you like) made submissions urging that the RC make adverse findings.

Another Tony Abort failure to add to the list

Its time wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 3:15pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 7th, 2015 at 2:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 11:16pm: The royal commission into Union Corruption will charge Cesar Melham on a number of corruption charges Mr Melham was Mr Shorten's successor at the AWU The level of ignorance on what a RC can do is mind blowing, even though I have explained it many times.  A RC does not have any power to charge anyone.  It can make findings and make recommendations, and those are merely administrative.  I have used to the Cole RC into the Building and Construction Industry which made adverse findings and recommendations against many people, and not one of them was even charged with any offence, let alone convicted. Further, the RC has not made any adverse findings against Melham.  All that happened on Friday evening was that Jeremy Stoljar, the Barrister Assisting the RC (the Prosecutor, if you like) made submissions urging that the RC make adverse findings. Another Tony Abort failure to add to the list

Shortens 17% and the polls at 56.5/43.5 it doesn't sound too much like a failure.