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Title: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm

Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.html

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Ex Dame Pansi on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm

Religious people are selfish and self-centred, just look at Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison and the religious posters on here and how they are happy to treat asylum seekers.

Peter Dutton....let's see.....he got a 'Christian Values Award'.....he might be just a low life grunt though.

Mostly horrible people, even the nice ones have horrible humanitarian ideals.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Yet it is the non religious that feel the need to abuse them and make threads on forums about them. What silly dumb stupid angry ugly individuals you are.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

By and large, the Christians on this forum behave appallingly and are a terrible representation of their religion but they're not all like that.

My parent's church is very pro-asylum seeker, among other altruistic and truly compassionate things. My parents are very nice people who raised me to be thoughtful, non-prejudiced and humble. I was taught similar things through my convent school education. That convent sponsored several Vietnamese refugees.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

The Roman Catholic Church ;D ;D ;D with a Pope, Pedophile priests and prayer to dead people. Yes very Christian. Its a shame its not the Holy Catholic Church as mentioned in the bible. Your parents are clearly just lefty nutters with a pedophile pretend church under their belts. You are what they ended up producing which says it all really.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:18pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Which particular church was mentioned in the Bible, He Man?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Ex Dame Pansi on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Good to hear Mothra, a first hand report of a church being pro asylum seeker.

There's a famous one in Gosford that is very left-leaning too, with a political voice. I bet that pastor doesn't even molest children.

I like that, and this:

The 'Christians on this forum are very selective.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:25pm

And Father Bob McGuire. You gotta love Father Bob.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Gnads on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm

Why do you judge the worthiness of religious people on the basis of whether or not they support the entry of illegal economic boat hopping migrants you call asylum seekers?

Most of which belong to a so called religion that is extremely intolerant of any other religion.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Gnads on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:32pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

And Father Bob McGuire. You gotta love Father Bob.

Actually he's one catholic clergyman I do respect.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

It's more about the overall treatment of those people Gnads. From start to finish. And i don't agree with your descriptor.

And the people fleeing persecution aren't usually the ones with Draconian ideas. They are persecuted because they disagree with Draconian ideas.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What would you prefer children be sharing in the study. Kidneys?

Just because you don't like the results of the study doesn't diminish the findings.
i.e morality is not linked with religion.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Sun Tzu on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Christianity?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:54pm

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Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

And all of those are why the Anglican Church has average age of 70 and scarcely any new-comers. People want a Church to stand for something - preferably the Bible. The Anglican church - like the Uniting Church - stands for whatever is popular. Which is why nobody goes.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Definition of altruism: the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.

Note the absence of sharing stickers in the definition. UNSELFISH CONCERN is not sharing a sticker. DEVOTION TO THE WELFARE OF OTHERS is not sharing a sticker. Giving away your entire lunch to a hungry kid is closer to the mark. Standing up to bullies in the playground is closer. sharing a sticker is nothing at all.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

The problem with debating with you is that you know so little on just about every topic. Sociopaths are often 'lovely children' where no one sees what is really going on until later. They share stickers, but torture small animals when no one is looking. For goodness sake, do some reading!

SHARING STICKERS... the new definition of character!!!!

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Never had children, have you?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

You always get nasty when you get backed into a corner. Most un-Christian like of you. You are a stunning example of the Christians of this forum who behave appallingly.

Is that because you don;t think we're worth a damn because we are not good Christians like you? On our way to hell are we?

Now care to answer why children would share stickers? Why some would not?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Never had children, have you?

I have two young children Mara. Like it matters.

Why would some share stickers while others would not? What reason did the children have for sharing stickers?

It seems to be a really difficult question for you.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Never had children, have you?

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

And this is why I don't believe you have children - or you never see them. Children will give a minor thing like a sticker to another child because:

1) they want to
2) they don't particularly care
3) they know they are expected to
4) to annoy another child
5) to try and get someone to like them

The worthlessness of the experiment is because of the extreme low value of the item. Try it with something the kids value highly - like special food or tasty drink, or toys all the kids want.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of kids over the decades I can tell you what many child-care workers will: Some of the nicest kids turn out to be horrible adults and some of the bully kids turn out to be angels.

Of course, an actual parent would already know that.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

What this parent knows is that it is significant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group of children did not.

You seem to be glossing over that bit Maria.

And i'm not going to stoop to your level by questioning whether or not you have any experience with children but if you do, you are not showing it.

Young children value stickers highly enough. Some were sharing. Some weren't. Why do you think that is Maria?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by freediver on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:35pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Absolutely, well articulated

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

No. I don't abuse. Despite how much i am deliberately provoked. Annoys you doesn't it?

And is this an example of Christian behaviour? Are you as rude, disrespectful and dishonest when dealing with other Christians? Or do you just think i am less than you and not worth consideration?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

Come in spinner.

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Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

Nothing I posted about you was incorrect, everyone here knows that troll. Your pretend christian mother and your grandchildren must be very proud of your trolling and lying on here. Just like you did on yahoo. Your life must be magnificent sitting there on the pension every day trolling people online. If you had a heart attack and dropped dead tonight you would not be missed by anyone from here at all. Well done.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:58pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

It's Christian charity, 'innit?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:01pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

It's Christian charity, 'innit?

But you're not a christian. So no, it aint.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:01pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

It's Christian charity, 'innit?

But you're not a christian. So no, it aint.

I was talking about you. Point too subtle for you?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:06pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:01pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

Look in the mirror . :D

We have put up with you acting like one ever since your ejection pod crash landed after being ejected from yahoo granny.

It's Christian charity, 'innit?

But you're not a christian. So no, it aint.

I was talking about you. Point too subtle for you?

More abuse granny, on your bike, go troll elsewhere.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:46pm

At the very least, these studies are breaking down the morality spin of religionists.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

At the very least, these studies are breaking down the morality spin of religionists.

So their can be no morality so the greens can feel more comfortable with their buggery and bestiality.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:55pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Nothing I posted about you was incorrect.

Everything you post is incorrect.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

At the very least, these studies are breaking down the morality spin of religionists.

So their can be no morality so the greens can feel more comfortable with their buggery and bestiality.

Morality is a human state, not a religious one.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Nothing I posted about you was incorrect.

Everything

Yes everything I posted was correct.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:03pm

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

At the very least, these studies are breaking down the morality spin of religionists.

So their can be no morality so the greens can feel more comfortable with their buggery and bestiality.

Morality is a human state, not a religious one.

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper: In other words, it is the disjunction between right and wrong.

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I guess the greens don't learn something new every day even if it is posted to them staring them in the face eh?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

At the very least, these studies are breaking down the morality spin of religionists.

So their can be no morality so the greens can feel more comfortable with their buggery and bestiality.

Morality is a human state, not a religious one.

If I required a dictionary entry, I would of looked it up.
Religionists use to claim they are the guards of morality. Now we know this untrue.

So what is the purpose of religion?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Who knows? They are CHILDREN. Children do all manner of incomprehensible and odd things. The point is that this test says absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever and your belief otherwise is stilly.

And no, I don't believe you have children. No sane parent would swallow this rubbish for a nanosecond.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

Presumably to be Green and Gay and leave all the awful 'straights' to breed replacements.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:09am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

Presumably to be Green and Gay and leave all the awful 'straights' to breed replacements.

Luckily there are the other 99.95% of straights (the nice ones) to breed the next gay generation.

So relax Maria, you can go back to hating all the gay children at your god bothering centre.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:57am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

No, the point is one group of children shared stickers and the other didn't. One group showed altruism and the other did not.

This seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp, so difficult you are going on about sociopaths. The best you can come up with when asked to explain why is "i don't know". The answer is obvious. One group of children showed more empathy than the other. Kind of rules out your sociopath theory doesn't it

And i don't believe for a second that you've had kids. You seem to have absolutely no understanding of what they value or how they work.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Gnads on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:00am

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Christianity?

Not even close ::)

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:04am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

I know.....what a petty, desperate and futile basis for any sane argument.

Only the insane of OzPol could rely on such a study.

And this thread evidences such insanity.

Enjoy!

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:27am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

I know.....what a petty, desperate and futile basis for any sane argument.

Only the insane of OzPol could rely on such a study.

And this thread evidences such insanity.

Enjoy!

The stickers are valued by the children and so the altruistic value of the child is measured.
Why are religious kids mean spirited. Is it nature or nurture?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:52am

____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

Why are religious kids mean spirited. Is it nature or nurture?

Same reason the grown-ups are mean spirited. Look at their replies on this thread?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:36am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Sharing Stickers is not the worlds leading definition of 'altruism' or even close. You would have to be the biggest dimwit and gullible fool to swallow that.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

I know.....what a petty, desperate and futile basis for any sane argument.

Only the insane of OzPol could rely on such a study.

And this thread evidences such insanity.

Enjoy!

I discovered rather quickly that most posters here are on the lower scale of intelligence and social awareness. Even so, the idea that anyone at all would think sticker-sharing was a measurement of anything at all, nevermind altruism.

I heard of a 9yo girl who raised $5000 for poor children. But she probably doesn't share her stickers!

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:56am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Sharing Stickers is not the worlds leading definition of 'altruism' or even close. You would have to be the biggest dimwit and gullible fool to swallow that.

Who said it was? You really need to stop just making things up when you don't have an actual argument Maria.

However, it clearly shows that one group was willing to share and another was not. Why do you think that is Maria? You really don't seem to be able to answer that besides saying that you don't know.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

They are KIDS. Grow a brain. IF you had ever had kids, you would see through the idiocy of that statement. Why do you think they don't do this study on ADULTS? Surely the effect of a religious upbringing would be far better determined in adults? But they didn't and we all know why. Because there are gullible people that think that a handful of children with stickers 'explains everything'.

Your gullibility is truly staggering. Did you ever wonder if the TRUE target of this research was the readers to determine just how gullible they are?

PS posting ludicrous 'research' and studying peoples comments, is not a new thing.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

A bright person would not need to be told. Any parent or child-worker will tell you that children change enormously over their development cycle. Anyone who has ever had a teenager knows that in spades.

Why do YOU think they didn't test adults? Perhaps because the result were very different? Or perhaps they are testing the gullibility of people like you.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

None of that explains why one group acted differently to the other groups.

None of that explains why religious children showed less empathy during images of children being bumped or bullied and asked for lesser punitive responses to those images.

You really can't answer the question can you Maria? o you just become abusive instead.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:54am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

This is going nowhere. Every argument bumps up against your ignorance and general stupidity. My guess is that you've learned nothing new in a long time and perhaps nothing that changes your mind... ever.

If you ever have kids, you will see just how dumb you have been.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:57am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

More abuse because you've been backed into a corner.

Typical.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Kytro on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

There has been studies on adults, and the results do vary. This study isn't saying these beliefs will remain forever.

All it is saying is as children this behaviour occurs.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

You are wasting your time mothra is just a troll, it will go in one ear and out the other. There is nothing in between.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

There has been studies on adults, and the results do vary. This study isn't saying these beliefs will remain forever.

All it is saying is as children this behaviour occurs.

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Kytro on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

There has been studies on adults, and the results do vary. This study isn't saying these beliefs will remain forever.

All it is saying is as children this behaviour occurs.

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

Sure. It's a reasonable measure of how willing they are to share, one that is consistent across cultural groups, which is very interesting. You might not think much of it, but people who study human behaviour do because it tells them something about how they are thinking.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

It's an excellent way to ascertain if the kids are willing to share. Why do you think some children would share and some wouldn't Maria?

Also, the sharing of stickers wasn't the only part of the experiment. A fact you are unwilling to address.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:46pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

its a TERRIBLE way to assess sharing - something an actual parent would know. Not all kids love stickers. "sharing' them could be nothing more than reflecting their disinterest or low perceived value. a PROPER study would find things of high value to all.

Seriously, have you spent ANY time with young children?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

So you are saying that religious children like stickers more than non-religious children Maria? That that is why they didn't share? The non-religious children placed no value on the stickers so were willing to share?

Is that how you explain the discrepancy?

Again, this is still more deflection from you over the other part of the study you are trying to avoid talking about.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

A better research topic would be "Does mothra possess the capability of understanding an opposing point of view? Not accepting but merely understanding."

So far the evidence is ABSOLUTELY NOT.

You and JS should marry. You could breed a new generation of truly stupid kids - who will share stickers!

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:22pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

But you haven't explained your point of view on half of the study Maria.

And your objections over the half you will comment upon are questionable at best. I'm not the only person disagreeing with you here, as much as you think bullying me will cover for the fact that you haven't a leg to stand on.

And as usual, all you do when backed into a corner is lash out like a wolverine.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:46pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

There has been studies on adults, and the results do vary. This study isn't saying these beliefs will remain forever.

All it is saying is as children this behaviour occurs.

On the basis of sharing stickers? Is there any way they could make a lamer experiment?

And what do you think the degree of confidence is in a study like this? Low to nil? What is most interesting is why anyone thinks' altruism and its relationship to religion can be measured in young children and stickers. Why not toys in short supply or food of varying quantity and preferences?

A far, far, far better experiment would be in adults where altruism is more likely to be a genuine trait rather than a mere learned behaviour (at best) among children.

It is the absence of an adult test or at least control group that really makes this study the truly ridiculous thing that it is.

Some psychology (and psychologists) can be very good. Likewise, some can be so laughingly idiotic it makes you wonder how anyone can be gullible enough to swallow it. This is an example of the latter.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Setanta on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

A far, far, far better experiment would be in adults where altruism is more likely to be a genuine trait rather than a mere learned behaviour (at best) among children.

If it is just learned behaviour as you say, what does that teach us about religious parents vs the others?

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by Stratos on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

edit:wrong thread.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mariacostel on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

A far, far, far better experiment would be in adults where altruism is more likely to be a genuine trait rather than a mere learned behaviour (at best) among children.

If it is just learned behaviour as you say, what does that teach us about religious parents vs the others?

Nothing. The study teaches nobody anything about any topic other than the gullibility of some to think it has value.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by mothra on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

You're not thinking Maria. You are just reacting in a knee-jerk manner because you don't like the findings.

The stickers are toys in short supply. That is half of the study. I'll take this opportunity to remind you again of the half of the study you are steadfastly ignoring.

What of this 'genuine trait' versus 'learned behaviour' business? My my, you are grasping at straws. If the fact that across several countries, children from a non-religious background shared while across several countries religious children did not suggests that the religious children were not acquiring the habit of sharing, either through nurture or nature. Either the non-religious parents were, across several countries, doing a better job of imparting social values on their children or something in religiosity impedes the natural inclination to share and the tendency to demand more severe punishments whilst being disinclined to forgive. Nature or nurture Maria? What do you think? Either way, it looks pretty grim for religious kids. Across several countries.

There have been plenty of tests done on adults. This has already been pointed out to you.

As for a control group, are you serious? Do you know how psychological group studies work? How would they put together a control group Maria? What would be the instructions for the control group? What would they be tested for and how would that relate to the tests being carried out for the main part of the study. You're not thinking Maria.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by He Man on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:00pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

A far, far, far better experiment would be in adults where altruism is more likely to be a genuine trait rather than a mere learned behaviour (at best) among children.

If it is just learned behaviour as you say, what does that teach us about religious parents vs the others?

Nothing. The study teaches nobody anything about any topic other than the gullibility of some to think it has value.

Yeah well it give the desperate a voice I guess. but you are right its a joke.

Title: Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Post by The Grappler on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:24pm

He Man wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

Yeah well it give the desperate a voice I guess. but you are right its a joke.

How so? Both subjects.....