Australia being a tiny partner in the bombing of Syria yet risking  a Paris style attack here ... is it worth it?

Surely there are better ways for Australia to make a difference.

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Is this the best argument the hard right can forward?

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Australia being a tiny partner in the bombing of Syria yet risking  a Paris style attack here ... is it worth it? Surely there are better ways for Australia to make a difference.

Our only involvement should be in a humanitarian capacity .

We should have been helping the Kurds with training and heavy weapons to fight ISIS. This bombing we are doing with a few old planes is not achieving anything.

Unlike Greens_10% I do not condone appeasement but we should know why we are there, what we want to achieve, how we can achieve it and  is when our mission is completed.

Not this tag along with the yanks abbott signed us up for.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

We should have been helping the Kurds with training and heavy weapons to fight ISIS. This bombing we are doing with a few old planes is not achieving anything. Unlike Greens_10% I do not condone appeasement but we should know why we are there, what we want to achieve, how we can achieve it and  is when our mission is completed. Not this tag along with the yanks abbott signed us up for.

Perhaps you could point out my so called appeasement ... or is it like your name calling, childish slash desperate rhetoric?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

We should have been helping the Kurds with training and heavy weapons to fight ISIS. This bombing we are doing with a few old planes is not achieving anything. Unlike Greens_10% I do not condone appeasement but we should know why we are there, what we want to achieve, how we can achieve it and  is when our mission is completed. Not this tag along with the yanks abbott signed us up for.

Get ready for a 20 year commitment to do it right then, we saw how 10 year commitment failed miserably , the ME is a basket case , we have no business being their .

Its time wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 8:41am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 8:31am: We should have been helping the Kurds with training and heavy weapons to fight ISIS. This bombing we are doing with a few old planes is not achieving anything. Unlike Greens_10% I do not condone appeasement but we should know why we are there, what we want to achieve, how we can achieve it and  is when our mission is completed. Not this tag along with the yanks abbott signed us up for. Get ready for a 20 year commitment to do it right then, we saw how 10 year commitment failed miserably , the ME is a basket case , we have no business being their .

The concern is that if it isn't stopped there it may come here. It seems to be anyway.

While I also do not like what we are doing as it seems stupid and ineffective I also don't think that to bury our heads in the sand to be the right option either.

IMO the World needs to stand together and to rip the heart out of anything that can do what we seen in France.

the west should pull out of the Middle East and stay out. Leave them to sort themselves out. Sooner or later they'll have to learn to live together, or they'll all kill each other. Either way it will sort itself out (yeah, I know, it might not be for another 1000 years).

Our trying to sort them out is only feeding the frenzy.

The coalition is there bombing so so protect Israel from IS. Not the Syrian people.

If people really counted, we would be protecting Africans from Boko Haram.

CORRECTION

OZ IS NOT BOMBING SYRIA.

THEY ARE HELPING TO ERADICATE ISIS.


an d yes.. it needs to be eradicated... not just contained

of course it would be nice if all Australians were on the same page with doing that..

but for those who live in fantasyland where the likes of ISIS will never reach OZ...good luck with that >:(

Nuke 'em

cods wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

CORRECTION OZ IS NOT BOMBING SYRIA. THEY ARE HELPING TO ERADICATE ISIS. an d yes.. it needs to be eradicated... not just contained of course it would be nice if all Australians were on the same page with doing that.. but for those who live in fantasyland where the likes of ISIS will never reach OZ...good luck with that >:(

How is Australia helping eradicated IS when at the same time as the occasional bomb dropped, we are funding IS via trade with (pro Wahhabism) Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabism funds IS and it's propaganda is turning western children against the west.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:26am:

The coalition is there bombing so so protect Israel from IS.

Oh Good Grief!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:26am: The coalition is there bombing so so protect Israel from IS.  Oh Good Grief!

For a know it all, you have some very large areas of ignorance.

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John Smith wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

the west should pull out of the Middle East and stay out. Leave them to sort themselves out. Sooner or later they'll have to learn to live together, or they'll all kill each other. Either way it will sort itself out (yeah, I know, it might not be for another 1000 years). Our trying to sort them out is only feeding the frenzy.

This is not practical on account of the oil, the whole reason that the west became involved in the middle east in the first place was to ensure that the communists did not control the area and sabatoge the wests oil supply.

Now the mad muslims have replaced the communists and they are the reason the interference must continue, unless you want the mad muslims to control oil supplies of course, with the resulting chaos that would cause to western economies.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:30am: CORRECTION OZ IS NOT BOMBING SYRIA. THEY ARE HELPING TO ERADICATE ISIS. an d yes.. it needs to be eradicated... not just contained of course it would be nice if all Australians were on the same page with doing that.. but for those who live in fantasyland where the likes of ISIS will never reach OZ...good luck with that >:( How is Australia helping eradicated IS when at the same time as the occasional bomb dropped, we are funding IS via trade with (pro Wahhabism) Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism funds IS and it's propaganda is turning western children against the west.

ok cut off your own nose despite your face...do you really think any trade with a country STOPS THEM DOING  WHAT THEY DO ANYWAY??>..

if loons like you had their way we wouldnt be doing business with any country....they all do somethign we dont agree with...and I am sure Australia is doing stuff they dont like .....gawd... green...grow up try living in the real world and not the fantasy one the green party has been feeding you.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:02am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:54am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:26am: The coalition is there bombing so so protect Israel from IS.  Oh Good Grief! For a know it all, you have some very large areas of ignorance.

and you think we should not be concerned its all in the middle east nothing happening here.. ::) ::) ::)

makes sense to some. >:(

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:07am: the west should pull out of the Middle East and stay out. Leave them to sort themselves out. Sooner or later they'll have to learn to live together, or they'll all kill each other. Either way it will sort itself out (yeah, I know, it might not be for another 1000 years). Our trying to sort them out is only feeding the frenzy. This is not practical on account of the oil, the whole reason that the west became involved in the middle east in the first place was to ensure that the communists did not control the area and sabatoge the wests oil supply. Now the mad muslims have replaced the communists and they are the reason the interference must continue, unless you want the mad muslims to control oil supplies of course, with the resulting chaos that would cause to western economies.

Another path would be to confront peak oil at the same time and diversify away from middle east oil for a green sustainable sourced solution.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:21am: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:07am: the west should pull out of the Middle East and stay out. Leave them to sort themselves out. Sooner or later they'll have to learn to live together, or they'll all kill each other. Either way it will sort itself out (yeah, I know, it might not be for another 1000 years). Our trying to sort them out is only feeding the frenzy. This is not practical on account of the oil, the whole reason that the west became involved in the middle east in the first place was to ensure that the communists did not control the area and sabatoge the wests oil supply. Now the mad muslims have replaced the communists and they are the reason the interference must continue, unless you want the mad muslims to control oil supplies of course, with the resulting chaos that would cause to western economies. Another path would be to confront peak oil at the same time and diversify away from middle east oil for a green sustainable sourced solution.

To confront peak oil we would need to build a time capsule and head 100 years into the future  :D



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cods wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:34am: cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:30am: CORRECTION OZ IS NOT BOMBING SYRIA. THEY ARE HELPING TO ERADICATE ISIS. an d yes.. it needs to be eradicated... not just contained of course it would be nice if all Australians were on the same page with doing that.. but for those who live in fantasyland where the likes of ISIS will never reach OZ...good luck with that >:( How is Australia helping eradicated IS when at the same time as the occasional bomb dropped, we are funding IS via trade with (pro Wahhabism) Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism funds IS and it's propaganda is turning western children against the west. ok cut off your own nose despite your face...do you really think any trade with a country STOPS THEM DOING  WHAT THEY DO ANYWAY??>.. if loons like you had their way we wouldnt be doing business with any country....they all do somethign we dont agree with...and I am sure Australia is doing stuff they dont like .....gawd... green...grow up try living in the real world and not the fantasy one the green party has been feeding you.

Isn't the looney ones, those that want the status quo. Australia in a spiralling path where the endgame is WW3 and the resulting nuclear holocaust.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:25am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:34am: cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:30am: CORRECTION OZ IS NOT BOMBING SYRIA. THEY ARE HELPING TO ERADICATE ISIS. an d yes.. it needs to be eradicated... not just contained of course it would be nice if all Australians were on the same page with doing that.. but for those who live in fantasyland where the likes of ISIS will never reach OZ...good luck with that >:( How is Australia helping eradicated IS when at the same time as the occasional bomb dropped, we are funding IS via trade with (pro Wahhabism) Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism funds IS and it's propaganda is turning western children against the west. ok cut off your own nose despite your face...do you really think any trade with a country STOPS THEM DOING  WHAT THEY DO ANYWAY??>.. if loons like you had their way we wouldnt be doing business with any country....they all do somethign we dont agree with...and I am sure Australia is doing stuff they dont like .....gawd... green...grow up try living in the real world and not the fantasy one the green party has been feeding you. Isn't the looney ones, those that want the status quo. Australia in a spiralling path where the endgame is WW3 and the resulting nuclear holocaust.

the looney ones...lol

do you think by us pretending alls well with the world

we see nuffink hear nuffink say nuffink

we will outlast a nuclear holocaust??... btw I didnt know ISIL had nuclear.

cods wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:02am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:54am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:26am: The coalition is there bombing so so protect Israel from IS.  Oh Good Grief! For a know it all, you have some very large areas of ignorance. and you think we should not be concerned its all in the middle east nothing happening here.. ::) ::) ::) makes sense to some. >:(

It's not just in the middle east. Did you happen notice news out of Paris in the last 24 hours?
Young western born people are being turned against their countries by propaganda being funded out of Saudi Arabia.
Cut Australia funding Saudi Arabia  terrorists and less people will be turned in Australia.

btw greeny they say HITLER was a looney...

but look at the damage he caused....

ooops dont lets think about that. ::) ::)

like saddam all loonies seem to be very very destructive..

some on here thinks thats not such a bad thing... ::) ::) ::) ::)

We were told in 2003 by Bush, Howard and Blair that we needed to invade Iraq for the safety of all mankind and the stability of the ME....The fault lays with the failure of the Coalition of the Willing who lied to the people and failed in their mission....The rise of ISIS was fuelled by the bullshit merchants who lied to us all including those who the Coalition of the Willing vowed to protect....Sadly we are now obligated to fix the mess we helped to create IMO!!!

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Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

Radical Islamists wants you to either convert to Islam or die

These are the only options

And you want to stick your head in the sand?

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

Radical Islamists wants you to either convert to Islam or die These are the only options And you want to stick your head in the sand?

I don't think anyone has suggested sticking heads in the sand.
Past warmongering has inflamed the issues more, not solved them.

Do we repeat our mistakes or work at solving the core issues.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:21am: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:07am: the west should pull out of the Middle East and stay out. Leave them to sort themselves out. Sooner or later they'll have to learn to live together, or they'll all kill each other. Either way it will sort itself out (yeah, I know, it might not be for another 1000 years). Our trying to sort them out is only feeding the frenzy. This is not practical on account of the oil, the whole reason that the west became involved in the middle east in the first place was to ensure that the communists did not control the area and sabatoge the wests oil supply. Now the mad muslims have replaced the communists and they are the reason the interference must continue, unless you want the mad muslims to control oil supplies of course, with the resulting chaos that would cause to western economies. Another path would be to confront peak oil at the same time and diversify away from middle east oil for a green sustainable sourced solution.

So let us build that nice big nuclear generator, use it, among other things, to make biodiesel and desalinate water.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:45am: Radical Islamists wants you to either convert to Islam or die These are the only options And you want to stick your head in the sand? I don't think anyone has suggested sticking heads in the sand. Past warmongering has inflamed the issues more, not solved them. Do we repeat our mistakes or work at solving the core issues.

Lets avoid conflict to give them a chance to regroup and send their sleeper cells into your backyard

Now this is worth repeating.



philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

We were told in 2003 by Bush, Howard and Blair that we needed to invade Iraq for the safety of all mankind and the stability of the ME....The fault lays with the failure of the Coalition of the Willing who lied to the people and failed in their mission....The rise of ISIS was fuelled by the bullshit merchants who lied to us all including those who the Coalition of the Willing vowed to protect....Sadly we are now obligated to fix the mess we helped to create IMO!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:02am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:54am: ____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:26am: The coalition is there bombing so so protect Israel from IS.  Oh Good Grief! For a know it all, you have some very large areas of ignorance.

You really do have no idea. Israel is arming and supporting ISIS!

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

____ wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:32am: innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 10:21am: John Smith wrote on Nov 15th, 2015 at 9:07am: the west should pull out of the Middle East and stay out. Leave them to sort themselves out. Sooner or later they'll have to learn to live together, or they'll all kill each other. Either way it will sort itself out (yeah, I know, it might not be for another 1000 years). Our trying to sort them out is only feeding the frenzy. This is not practical on account of the oil, the whole reason that the west became involved in the middle east in the first place was to ensure that the communists did not control the area and sabatoge the wests oil supply. Now the mad muslims have replaced the communists and they are the reason the interference must continue, unless you want the mad muslims to control oil supplies of course, with the resulting chaos that would cause to western economies. Another path would be to confront peak oil at the same time and diversify away from middle east oil for a green sustainable sourced solution. So let us build that nice big nuclear generator, use it, among other things, to make biodiesel and desalinate water.

More nukes is an angry inflamed world. Yet will that shift the power base away from current power brokers and into every person's hands. Of course not.
More same old same old unworkable nuke rhetoric from JM

Nukes are expensive, dangerous, dirty, and worse, you can't have a nuke reactor in every car unless you want an increase in suicide bombings.

So you are not sincere in wanting to boycott Saudi and moving away from oil?

Not going to suggest the furphy of baseload solar again, are you?

A modern plant is not like a Gen 1 plant.  :)

And I said use it to make bio diesel, lowering emissions. Why don’t the Greens want lower emissions?

Shifting away from Saudi oil to green sustainable renewables does not include dirty and dangerous nukes.

Your path hands dirty bombs to terrorists.
Stupidity with a capital S.

So you are trying to say “baseload solar” without actually saying “baseload solar.”

Get over this idiotic fear of nukes, read up a little bit on MODERN nuke plants and see they can give us emissions free baseload power for industry, desalinate water and create biodiesel.

Radioactive uranium is not a replacement for oil.
Can't see people happily putting uranium into their petrol tank ... can you?

Now enough of your highjacking.
Back to the topic otherwise will ignore your posts.

Is Oz Bombing Syria, Worth A Paris Style Attack?

There is a high probability that we are on this list if they can do it.

Our main advantages are distance isolation and cost with the fact that their are more prominent targets that are easier.

It would be crazy to think that we are not at risk.

Us working as hard as we have been to destabilise and alienate our own Muslim community probably represents our greatest vulnerability and exposes us to the greatest risk.

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

Radioactive uranium is not a replacement for oil. Can't see people happily putting uranium into their petrol tank ... can you? Now enough of your highjacking. Back to the topic otherwise will ignore your posts.

You are making me a tad angry, Green10%, with your continual LIES. Stop lying! Stop changing the sense of what I said.

I think you have no idea how to boycott Saudi, are not genuine about it, typical empty Green rhetoric and empty gestures.

You are a fool!

What is surprising is that our enemies are fighting back instead of dying in silence....Who would have thought???

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If we want to boycott Saudi we will have to be energy self reliant. Baseload solar is bulldust.

A decent sized modern nuke plant will give us the energy to make bio diesel, speed to switch to electric cars and allow us to close down the older, dirtier coal mines.

I cannot see any other way. Baseload solar is a slogan, need a plant or selection of plants totalling 500Km by 500Km. Not going to happen.

Saudi Arabia doesn't supply our electricity.
It supplies oil.

It's about finding a worldwide replacement for Saudi oil so to dry up funding for Wahhabism and so cut funds to global terrorism.

Not going to happen.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

What is surprising is that our enemies are fighting back instead of dying in silence....Who would have thought??? ::) ::) ::)

Quite the revelation .

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Not going to happen.

Sure ain't with nukes.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Is Oz Bombing Syria, Worth A Paris Style Attack? There is a high probability that we are on this list if they can do it. Our main advantages are distance isolation and cost with the fact that their are more prominent targets that are easier. It would be crazy to think that we are not at risk. Us working as hard as we have been to destabilise and alienate our own Muslim community probably represents our greatest vulnerability and exposes us to the greatest risk.

Tony Abbott started that sh1t, at least Turnbull has resisted to follow that path, too late though, the young Muslim kids won't forget how much they're hated by the right of politics.

Going to have to resettle the poor bastards in our concentration camps somewhere some time, better to do that sooner and humanely.

Do note I did not say settle them here, right whingers would wet themselves in fright.

But if we don’t want to be a target that would be a good thing.

Stop bombing Syria, our few old planes make no bloody difference. Work with the Kurds I reckon. Weapons, training, medical care for their wounded etc. In Iraq the SAS could even conduct operations. Help rebuild etc.

Our aims can be stated in ways that say extremism will not be tolerated but speak of a political solution. We will, for once have to stay the course unlike the other stupid wars the stupid Libs dragged us into, Iraq, Afghanistan, now Iraq again.