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Title: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

Quote:

BEAUTIFUL Paris has been attacked by Islamist terrorists again. There’s no point pretending there’s any doubt about who the perpetrators are. Not a “lone wolf” gunman, not “disaffected youth” or “un-Islamic” madmen.

Less than a year after the Charlie Hebdo massacre, the land of “liberte, egalite and fraternite” has been attacked at its heart, yet again, by Islamist fundamentalists driven by a murderous totalitarian ideology that cannot be appeased.

Co-ordinated, militaristic attacks by suicide bombers and gunmen on soft targets at six locations across Paris are designed to cause maximum casualties and maximum terror.

Survivors say terrorists wielding Kalashnikovs yelled “Allahu Akbar”, as they opened fire on young people watching a rock concert at the Le Bataclan theatre, scene of a dramatic police operation to rescue hostages from the carnage where 100 people were reported dead.

Leftist fools who try to downplay this virulent terrorism are missing the point. They sneer at attempts by our security agencies to keep us safe, and tediously claim that, because fewer Australians are killed each year by terrorism than, say, car accidents or heart attacks, therefore counter-terrorism is mere pantomime pandering to Islamophobes.

But when sports stadiums, restaurants and concert halls in the City of Love are not safe, nothing is safe. This is the point of terrorism, the ever-present threat of random and violent death, targeted specifically at innocent people in the Western world.

Denial and appeasement, pretending the threat has nothing to do with Islam, exaggerating Islamophobia, and blaming the victim, are exactly the wrong reaction to jihadist violence.

But you can bet in the weeks to come, this will be the narrative from the bien pensants of Fairfax and the ABC, just as it was after the terrorist attack on the Parramatta police headquarters and on the Lindt cafe in the heart of Sydney.

This wilfully blind political correctness does no favours to Muslims, who are among the greatest victims of Islamofascism.

“We have to acknowledge that today’s Islamists are driven by a political ideology, an ideology embedded in the foundational texts of Islam,” Somali-born former Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. We appease the Muslim heads of government who lobby us to censor our press, our universities, our history books, our school curricula. They appeal and we oblige. We appease leaders of Muslim organisations in our societies. They ask us not to link acts of violence to Islam because they tell us that theirs is a religion of peace, and we oblige. What do we get in return? Kalashnikovs in the heart of Paris. The more we oblige, the more we self-censor, the more we appease, the bolder the enemy gets.”

I spent last Christmas in Paris, just before the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and had never seen such strong security measures, outside of Israel. Road closures, car checks, black vans disgorging scores of black-clad, fully armed special operations police. Once, walking in crowds down the Champs Elysees, I felt the hard steel of a gun brush against my hip as I passed a gendarme at close quarters.

Even with the best wall-to-wall security, Paris still wasn’t safe. And what happened there yesterday only reminds us how vulnerable we are in Australia — three terrorist attacks already on home soil, and numerous attacks foiled by counter-terrorism agencies.

And yet, in the days after the lethal attack on Parramatta police HQ last month by a 15-year-old suicide gunman yelling “Allahu Akbar”, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and NSW Premier Mike Baird were reluctant to speak plainly about what had occurred.

They repeatedly refused to mention the “I” word and instead used carefully scripted euphemisms such as “politically motivated”, and exhorted the public to “come together”.

Sugarcoating the truth about Islamist extremism, and pretending an equal threat comes from theoretical redneck Islamophobes, only further endangers us and pushes reasonable people into the arms of far-Right hate groups. Angela Merkel’s naive open-door refugee policy will only exacerbate the problem. As Tony Abbott said in a recent speech in London, it is a “catastrophic error”, which has benefited a majority of fake refugees. Yet, in a subtle repudiation of Abbott’s stance, Turnbull chose to bestow on the German Chancellor the rare honour of being the first European leader he has visited as PM this week. And in his reported remarks from their Berlin meeting, he made no criticism of the policy that has divided Merkel’s Government and threatens her leadership.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

Well, some think it is a false flag operation :D ;D

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

and all of these leftwits want us to open our boarders to let in these fake reffo's as well??

how the Labor/Greens coalition gets one vote in Australia is beyond me..

they are Traitors of Australia.. >:(

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Again with the “boarders” :D :D :D

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Greens_Win on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

Your evidence refugees are fake?

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by lee on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

Well, some think it is a false flag operation

yes, those poor Islamists, wrong place, wrong time, wrong vest.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

a vote for the leftwits is a vote for Terrorism.. its that simple..

just ask that dumb slag Angela Merkel... who had the nerve to have a Crack at Australian Border Controls - as did other hypocritical UN mongs who are now reaping what they have sown..

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

and all of these leftwits want us to open our boarders

Ouch!

What sort of people do you have staying in your spare bedroom?

Are they male, or female?

And, how exactly are you going to "open" them?

:-/

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:33pm

"Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it"

I know who did it: terrorists.

Cowardly, murdering terrorists.

Why can't you admit that?

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

and all of these leftwits want us to open our boarders

Ouch!

What sort of people do you have staying in your spare bedroom?

Are they male, or female?

And, how exactly are you going to "open" them?

:-/

Sounds like there is some "Hostel" like shenanigans going on in Mechanics basement.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:38pm

____ wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:22pm:

Your evidence refugees are fake?

Quote:

Two men who French police are seeking to identify in connection with the Paris attacks registered as migrants with Greek authorities earlier this year, the Greek police have confirmed.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

What the difference between Josef Fritzl and Mechanic ?

:(

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

Its time wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

What the difference between Josef Fritzl and Mechanic ?

:(

The moustache?

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by John Smith on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:47pm

Its time wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

What the difference between Josef Fritzl and Mechanic ?

:(

Fritzl had brains

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by cods on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

"Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it"

I know who did it: terrorists.

Cowardly, murdering terrorists.

Why can't you admit that?

they did gweggy they did they posted their own ARABIC FACEBOOK MESSAGE OF GUILT just for you..

it was signed ISIS..

why do you call them COWARDLY GWEG?? whats cowardly about strapping a bomb to ones chest.. :( :( :(

would you do that???? :o

not a chance you say..

that sounds cowardly to some...

these TERRORIST that killed and died are looked on as HEROS back in ISISland....

to each his own mate..

btw you will not be welcome in the lefties bunker if you keep that talk up...

the left are pretending we do not see what is happening in the MIDDLE EAST.

.they are looking the other way...

.a bit like the rabbit caught in the headlights if it shuts its eyes... no one can see it..

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

cods wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

"Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it"

I know who did it: terrorists.

Cowardly, murdering terrorists.

Why can't you admit that?

they did gweggy they did they posted their own ARABIC FACEBOOK MESSAGE OF GUILT just for you..

it was signed ISIS..

ISIS is an organisation.

Stop shifting the blame away from the individuals.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Dnarever on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

Now we have Miranda Divine playing the always predictable political point scoring blame game.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Neferti on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

Early days. We are lucky to be "girt" by sea. ;)

How many young (male) Aussies are attracted to the "adventure" of going off to "fight a war"?

Listen to some of the "music" .. it is sort of "haunting" and calling for you to "come join us" ... unlike "Onward Christian Soldiers" .......

Kids do what kids do.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Maqqa on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:54pm

The Western concept of crime and punishment assume the perpetrator is alive so we can punish them

This concept does not work when they blow themselves up

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Bazza on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

Bazza wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

I bet leaders in the West would like to nuke Raqqah?

Francois Hollande must have thought about & so would have Putin.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Neferti on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Bazza wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

I bet leaders in the West would like to nuke Raqqah?

Francois Hollande must have thought about & so would have Putin.

Nuking the Middle East would be a good idea but it won't happen. The Jews wouldn't allow it.

Remember "shock and awe?" Putin might do it. If he ever gets out of bed with that young blond bit. ;)

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Bazza wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

I bet leaders in the West would like to nuke Raqqah?

Francois Hollande must have thought about & so would have Putin.

Nuking the Middle East would be a good idea but it won't happen. The Jews wouldn't allow it.

The oil is underground so no danger of it being irradiated

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Sir Bobby on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Bazza wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

I bet leaders in the West would like to nuke Raqqah?

Francois Hollande must have thought about & so would have Putin.

Nuking the Middle East would be a good idea but it won't happen. The Jews wouldn't allow it.

Remember "shock and awe?" Putin might do it. If he ever gets out of bed with that young blond bit. ;)

I am just saying that Hollande & Putin must have thought about it - they wouldn't do it.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Neferti on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

I am just saying that Hollande & Putin must have thought about it - they wouldn't do it.

Starting WW3 would be a difficult situation and it would need ALL the allies to agree. The Middle East, in my opinion, needed nuking to get rid of the scum but now they have "migrated" to Europe and beyond.

Most "citizens" of Australia, the UK, USA and so forth, saw that this was going to happen but our Pollies think they know better. We vote, they ignore us until the next "election".

Aussies want AUSTRALIA to be like it has always been .... FREE and without fear of being shot.

We also need to do something dramatic with the LAW about catching and disposing of those disgusting paedophiles. LIFE in gaol would be OK. Provided that they share a cell with some guy who hates kiddie fiddlers. Then they would find out what other "real" crims think about kiddie fiddlers. Creeps.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Kat on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Bazza wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

I bet leaders in the West would like to nuke Raqqah?

Francois Hollande must have thought about & so would have Putin.

Nuking the Middle East would be a good idea but it won't happen. The Jews wouldn't allow it.

Remember "shock and awe?" Putin might do it. If he ever gets out of bed with that young blond bit. ;)

Include them.

Problem solved.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 5:59am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

Those first two don’t really qualify. So two incidents.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by cods on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 6:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

cods wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

"Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it"

I know who did it: terrorists.

Cowardly, murdering terrorists.

Why can't you admit that?

they did gweggy they did they posted their own ARABIC FACEBOOK MESSAGE OF GUILT just for you..

it was signed ISIS..

ISIS is an organisation.

Stop shifting the blame away from the individuals.

oh you figured that out??? how bright of you..

..... and you think about 8 guys all got thje same idea at the same time and even managed to end up in the same place as each other all with ak47s and bombs strapped to their chest.....my goodness how clever of them.......

no one organised these raids...didnt even supply the weapons...

thats not bad stuff when you think about it....so ISIS had nothing to do with it.. even though they claim they did..

wow... that facebook web you get your facts from.. must be some humdinger....it thinks completely opposite to what the rest of the world does...ooops sorry gweg plus you...

individuals no allegiance to anyone just playing it by ear.... ::) ::)

if you say so.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 6:41am

These Mushlims are a hand grenade ready to have the pins pulled out and explode. ..

I don't care why or which one is going to pull the pin first...

The best defence against this is to stop piling up the grenades at our own feet...

But the leftwits want to keep bringing this fifth into our peaceful and over tolerant country with more coming in with the 12.000 from Syria. ..

How stupid could you get.??

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:16am

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 6:10am:

....so ISIS had nothing to do with it..

Who said that?

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:54am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 5:59am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

Those first two don’t really qualify. So two incidents.

The first 2 do qualify unless you are a mentally retarded leftist.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Dnarever on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:57am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

The oil is underground so no danger of it being irradiated

I am not sure that this is true or not however there is not a lot of point in having good oil under irradiated ground if you can't get it out safely.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:11am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 7:54am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 5:59am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

Those first two don’t really qualify. So two incidents.

The first 2 do qualify unless you are a mentally retarded leftist.

Broken Hill sounds like someone was severely pissed off by an individual—not an Islamic terror attack. Monis was a nutcase who should have been in remand.

Title: Re: Let’s stop pretending we don’t know who did it
Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 8:13am

Bazza wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Neferti wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

HM terrorist attacks have been carried out here? Zero?

The battle of Broken Hill
Lindt siege
Parramatta shooting of Curtis Cheng
The kid who took a knife to a gunfight with police

How many Islamic terrorists are in jail on terror charges?

I wish they would hurry up and get over there before Putin
gets pissed right off and Nukes the Daesh Islamic trash.

Putin is pro Assad not so much anti–Daesh. Pipelines for his gas.