Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us?

~~  OR  ~~

Should we immediately put that pledge on hold?

My Question to you:

If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it,
do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash?

Yes.

Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians.

By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated.

heard yesterday 4 families have been given the ok so far and two are Muslim...

we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

heard yesterday 4 families have been given the ok so far and two are Muslim...

The vast majority of those we are taking in from Turkey and Jordan aren't Muslim. Some are, but most aren't.

failing that, any we import should have to live at herbs place until he is happy they have been cured of the islamic virus

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters.

Hey they could hang the green poo pusher! ;) ;)

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:03am: we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters. Hey they could hang the green poo pusher! ;) ;)

We could put them up at Sarah Hanson-Dumb's place!

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated.

You are a racist Green and unpatriotic

You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

What do you expect ' It's only a freeloading KIWI
>:( >:( >:( >:(

ISIS operatives have been given waivers from their High Poomba to act non-muslim so they can infiltrate the West

Look at the date of the article

(note my reference to Poomba in the Lion King)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

By AARON BROWN
07:27, Thu, Sep 10, 2015 | UPDATED: 12:07, Mon, Sep 14, 2015

AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe.

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.

The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success.

"Just wait," he smiled.

The Islamic State operative spoke exclusively to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity and is believed to be the first to confirm plans to infiltrate western countries.

There are now more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen "ready" across the European Union, he claimed.

The operative said the undercover infiltration was the beginning of a larger plot to carry out revenge attacks in the West in retaliation for the US-led coalition airstrikes.

He said: "If someone attacks me then for sure I will attack them back."

Islamic State extremists are taking advantage of developed nations' generosity towards refugees to infiltrate Europe, he said.

Refugees were applauded as they arrived in Germany this weekend having made the journey through Hungary and Austria.

The lethal ISIS gunmen use local smugglers to blend in and travel amongst a huge tide of illegal migrants flooding Europe.

More than 1.5million refugees have fled into Turkey alone – desperate to escape the bloodshed in Syria.

From Turkish port cities like Izmir and Mersin, thousands of refugees venture across the Mediterranean aiming for Italy, he said.

Then the majority make for more welcoming nations like Sweden and Germany, turning themselves over to authorities and appealing for asylum

The Syrian operative, a former member of his nation's security forces, said ISIS had ambitious plans ahead.

He said: "It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world," he said "and we will have it soon, God willing."

The operative agreed to a meeting at the urging of a former Free Syrian Army gunman who fought alongside him in the war.

The Syrian said he had been granted permission to attend the meeting by his superior in ISIS — a radical referred to by members of the group as an "emir."

He said: "There are some things I’m allowed to tell you and some things I’m not."

During the meeting, the operative said he believed future attacks would only target Western governments – not civilians.

Although details of terror plot are something over which he has little control, he claims.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

ISIS operatives have been given waivers from their High Poomba to act non-muslim so they can infiltrate the West Look at the date of the article (note my reference to Poomba in the Lion King) http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees By AARON BROWN 07:27, Thu, Sep 10, 2015 | UPDATED: 12:07, Mon, Sep 14, 2015 AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe. The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees. The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success. "Just wait," he smiled. The Islamic State operative spoke exclusively to BuzzFeed on the condition of anonymity and is believed to be the first to confirm plans to infiltrate western countries. There are now more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen "ready" across the European Union, he claimed. The operative said the undercover infiltration was the beginning of a larger plot to carry out revenge attacks in the West in retaliation for the US-led coalition airstrikes. He said: "If someone attacks me then for sure I will attack them back." Islamic State extremists are taking advantage of developed nations' generosity towards refugees to infiltrate Europe, he said. Refugees were applauded as they arrived in Germany this weekend having made the journey through Hungary and Austria. The lethal ISIS gunmen use local smugglers to blend in and travel amongst a huge tide of illegal migrants flooding Europe. More than 1.5million refugees have fled into Turkey alone – desperate to escape the bloodshed in Syria. From Turkish port cities like Izmir and Mersin, thousands of refugees venture across the Mediterranean aiming for Italy, he said. Then the majority make for more welcoming nations like Sweden and Germany, turning themselves over to authorities and appealing for asylum The Syrian operative, a former member of his nation's security forces, said ISIS had ambitious plans ahead. He said: "It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world," he said "and we will have it soon, God willing." The operative agreed to a meeting at the urging of a former Free Syrian Army gunman who fought alongside him in the war. The Syrian said he had been granted permission to attend the meeting by his superior in ISIS — a radical referred to by members of the group as an "emir." He said: "There are some things I’m allowed to tell you and some things I’m not." During the meeting, the operative said he believed future attacks would only target Western governments – not civilians. Although details of terror plot are something over which he has little control, he claims.

You don't need to be Einstein to work out that these waves of refugees are a dream come true for ISIS to spread to the furthest reaches of Europe, and beyond.

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:03am: we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters. Hey they could hang the green poo pusher! ;) ;)

Do you mean green poo-pusher or green-poo pusher?

the value of a hyphen!

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come.
The majority of Jews Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I bet most of the EU leaders are feeling rather stupid for letting in these people. Should've listened to Tony when he gave the Thatcher speech. He foresaw this happening long before anyone else did.

I find the idea of taking in foreigners intriguing.

My herd (ive got about 35 and plenty of land), people will often ask me to "take a horse"
usually its been half starved or abused and its off to the doggers.
Should i take it?
being compassionate i used to take a lot.
But some , especially the dysfunctional ones, can really upset the whole herd.
You really gain nothing by doing it (if you are a pragmatist).
It either gives you an extra mouth to feed or is a disruptive pest,
Even retraining it , you already have 30 or so you are trying to keep educated so you often dont have the time to do proper re education.

i have had a couple who i retrained and they turned out super (and they were eventually re homed, which would seem the ideal).
But on any risk/benefit analysis, i would say that taking in strays , particularly if you are already in a happy place , is more risk then benefit.

If young people with lots of energy want to take in a stray or two and they have the time for it...well and good.
But the young do-gooders (say in the green party), they want to take in the strays , but they lose interest way too quickly and its guys like me that end up having to do all the retraining and we are already busy enough

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of Jews Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

You don't even need a minority

Apparently you only need 2 as France found out

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of Jews Refugees  ar e not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Austral You don't even need a minority Apparently you only need 2 as France found out

2 is a minority sweetie.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of Jews Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia. You don't even need a minority Apparently you only need 2 as France found out

I'm pretty sure 2 is a minority, in this case.

Check with Longy, though.  Year 9 maths, innit?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

thats an interesting arguement.
when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe.

how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow.

if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:33am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again. thats an interesting arguement. when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe. how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow. if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

They were cows, not people and frankly mad cow scares me more than terrorists do.

But it's largely irrelevant because it's not as though you would stop or significantly reduce terrorist attacks by limiting refugees numbers. That's the rub.

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

Fatima Elomar, wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, admits providing support for foreign fighters

Updated 9 minutes ago


Fatima Elomar arrives at court
Photo: Fatima Elomar has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge. (AAP: David Moir)

Related Story: Australian terrorists Sharrouf and Elomar 'killed in Iraq drone strike'



Map:  Sydney 2000

Fatima Elomar, the wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge.

Elomar pleaded guilty to providing support for Islamic State during a brief appearance at Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Monday.

Elomar was arrested by counter-terrorism officials in May last year as she tried to board a flight to Malaysia with her four children.

Counter-terrorism police alleged she was carrying cash, camouflage equipment and medical supplies at the time.

She will be sentenced on April 1 next year.

Her husband is believed to have been killed in June while fighting in Iraq.

More to come.

Topics: courts-and-trials, sydney-2000

First posted 37 minutes ago

  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:33am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again. thats an interesting arguement. when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe. how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow. if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

Comparing people with cattle with bovine spongiform encephalopathy
Reflects more on you than anyone else.

Quote:

Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?

Yes maybe we should increase the number to take pressure off of other countries and give them a better chance to correctly asses the people that they take.

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:00am: Kytro wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:33am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again. thats an interesting arguement. when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe. how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow. if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ? Comparing people with cattle with bovine spongiform encephalopathy Reflects more on you than anyone else.

It's a welcome change from horses, though.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:06am: aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:03am: we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters. Hey they could hang the green poo pusher! ;) ;) We could put them up at Sarah Hanson-Dumb's place!

Anyone who spent years supporting Tony Abbott can hardly afford to call anyone dumb.

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:00am: Kytro wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:33am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again. thats an interesting arguement. when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe. how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow. if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ? They were cows, not people and frankly mad cow scares me more than terrorists do. But it's largely irrelevant because it's not as though you would stop or significantly reduce terrorist attacks by limiting refugees numbers. That's the rub.

I think my point is that governments (and populations) are usually SO risk averse nowadays.
the slightest risk and they dont want anything to do with it.
I'll bet the greens are trying to terrify people about where to put our "nuclear" waste dump  (which will hold a tiny bit of medical waste) and which poses no threat at all.
But there clearly IS a threat (even if small) in importing syrians.
i think thats fairly evident.

I'm all for importing people, i say that all the time.

danish and german engineers
American IT specialists
South east asian business people.
I couldnt care if they are muslim or not.
If microsoft has an IT genius who is a muslim and wants to create a start-up. i'll pick him up at the airport, he can marry my daughter.

But we should have the right to be very selective
As consumers, shopping in the migrant market, we should be getting the best of the best.
Like breeding horses
cross the best with the best and hope for the best

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

So now you think that in order to be patriotic we need to sell out our Australian Values and cower to the wishes of ISIS ?

Your words are less patriotic than you seem to think.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens So now you think that in order to be patriotic we need to sell out our Australian Values and cower to the wishes of ISIS ? Your words seem to be less patriotic than you seem to think.

Fatima Elomar, wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, admits providing support for foreign fighters

Updated 9 minutes ago


Fatima Elomar arrives at court
Photo: Fatima Elomar has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge. (AAP: David Moir)

Related Story: Australian terrorists Sharrouf and Elomar 'killed in Iraq drone strike'



Map:  Sydney 2000

Fatima Elomar, the wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge.

Elomar pleaded guilty to providing support for Islamic State during a brief appearance at Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Monday.

Elomar was arrested by counter-terrorism officials in May last year as she tried to board a flight to Malaysia with her four children.

Counter-terrorism police alleged she was carrying cash, camouflage equipment and medical supplies at the time.

She will be sentenced on April 1 next year.

Her husband is believed to have been killed in June while fighting in Iraq.

More to come.

Topics: courts-and-trials, sydney-2000

First posted 37 minutes ago

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Panther wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash?

You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians.

No Muslims should be accepted by Australia any more - not migrants or 'refugees'.

However, humans are not cattles, as we have seen in world war 2. 

Anyway, this is actually a really interesting question.  By reaction, we should be closing the borders, stop refugee intake, as per many of our ultra conservative politicians.  But, I think, we a smart group we need to think a bit deeper.  Now, I am in no way in support of ISIL at way.  But merely going at this from an emotionless point of view.

First is that what ISIL is hoping to achieve?  Okay, we know that the US (with allies like Australia) have superficially (at least) contained the advancement of ISIL.   In fact, many Western Media have reported ISIL was on the decline.   So to change this around, ISIL need to show strongly to the world that it is still here, open for business as usual, and at the same time, trying to get more recruits - which are their lifeblood.

And how do they get more recruits?  Well, through fear and chaos.
1)  This attack strike at the heart of the Western Civilization.  It shakes our belief that war in Syria are just that, and it cannot affect us.   
2)  The attack motivates the marginalized and closet radicalized individuals.
3)  This attack will divide the community.   It is ISIL's hope that there will be more  resentment against the largely innocent and law abiding Muslim communities around the world.   They will hope for retaliation attacks against Muslim targets, and hence, starting cycles of violence and hatred.  And through this more recruits to their cause.
4)  They also... I must say cleverly left Syrian passports (implying that they are refugees).  Now, think about this for a moment.  As the news reported, most of the attackers blew themselves up.  So they are not planning to survive this.  To me, carrying a passport of all things does not serve any purpose.  Now, I believe the main purpose in this instance is to try to alienate the Syrian refugees.   

My guess that there may be more attacks around Europe in coming months, and they will try to implicate the refugees.  Such that, through fear and chaos, a few prominent hard right wing politicians will emerge - I suppose similar to rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany pre WW2.    And who knows what will happen next. 

I believe, fight against ISIL is tied not only to its own progress, but also the peaceful resolution of the Syrian refugee crisis, and unfortunately the two are intricately tied together. 

My question is that, is our intake of 12000 refugees going to be enough to help resolve the crisis.  If yes, then do it.  If not, then perhaps reduce the quota, increase security screening.  At the same time, prepare for inevitable instability in Europe. 

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

I think my point is that governments (and populations) are usually SO risk averse nowadays. the slightest risk and they dont want anything to do with it. I'll bet the greens are trying to terrify people about where to put our "nuclear" waste dump  (which will hold a tiny bit of medical waste) and which poses no threat at all. But there clearly IS a threat (even if small) in importing syrians. i think thats fairly evident. I'm all for importing people, i say that all the time. danish and german engineers American IT specialists South east asian business people. I couldnt care if they are muslim or not. If microsoft has an IT genius who is a muslim and wants to create a start-up. i'll pick him up at the airport, he can marry my daughter. But we should have the right to be very selective As consumers, shopping in the migrant market, we should be getting the best of the best. Like breeding horses cross the best with the best and hope for the best

Most people don't really understand risk.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be selective generally, and I'd hope humanitarian concerns come into it, but I am saying that won't really reduce the risk of a terrorist attack but not accepting refugees.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians. No Muslims should be accepted by Australia any more - not migrants or 'refugees'.

You're welcome to that view point, but I disagree, and it won't be implemented anyway

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters.

We should import them and convert them to our ways. Your Alpha horses have nothing on ISIS suicide bombers. If they're prepared to kill themselves for ISIS, imagine what they could do for your business.

Forget refugees, let's bring in ISIS themselves.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:03am: we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters. We should import them and convert them to our ways. Your Alpha horses have nothing on ISIS suicide bombers. If they're prepared to kill themselves for ISIS, imagine what they could do for your business. Forget refugees, let's bring in ISIS themselves.

Aren't they already here??

Panther wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash?

Yes but make sure they are non-Muslims. Let Muslim countries take the Muslim refugees.

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens So now you think that in order to be patriotic we need to sell out our Australian Values and cower to the wishes of ISIS ? Your words seem to be less patriotic than you seem to think. Fatima Elomar, wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, admits providing support for foreign fighters Updated 9 minutes ago Fatima Elomar arrives at court Photo: Fatima Elomar has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge. (AAP: David Moir) Related Story: Australian terrorists Sharrouf and Elomar 'killed in Iraq drone strike' Map:  Sydney 2000 Fatima Elomar, the wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge. Elomar pleaded guilty to providing support for Islamic State during a brief appearance at Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Monday. Elomar was arrested by counter-terrorism officials in May last year as she tried to board a flight to Malaysia with her four children. Counter-terrorism police alleged she was carrying cash, camouflage equipment and medical supplies at the time. She will be sentenced on April 1 next year. Her husband is believed to have been killed in June while fighting in Iraq. More to come. Topics: courts-and-trials, sydney-2000 First posted 37 minutes ago Print  Email  Facebook  Twitter  More More  stories from New South Wales   Top Stories Live: Hunt on for Paris suspect as IS stronghold bombed in Syria Eighth Paris suspect cleared at police checkpoint hours after attacks Australian man recounts escaping Bataclan attack with 12yo son Dutton rejects internal call to 'close our borders' False alarm causes panic on the streets of Paris Wife of Islamic State terrorist pleads guilty to terrorism charge 'Real-life Jumanji': Zebras go on run after escaping from circus Essendon saga continues as WADA begins appeal Port of Melbourne lease sale hits potential roadblock Adelaide band detained in Malaysia after visa issue Records fall as Taylor's 200 guides New Zealand within reach of Australia Possible ice volcanoes discovered on frozen >:(

Why reply to my post with this irrelevant information ?

Or if you feel there is relevance to the posts in this conversation what is it ?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians.

No, all screened so far have been ethnic minority Muslims.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:30am: Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians. No, all screened so far have been ethnic minority Muslims.

I heard that most of them will be ethnic minority Christians and a minority Shia Muslims.

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? Yes but make sure they are non-Muslims. Let Muslim countries take the Muslim refugees.

Not that easy to do, old chap. We have a thing called the constitution. Any human rights lawyer worth his salt would be all over if Australia started weeding out the Muselmen.

But how would you do this anyway? It's easy enough to shave off a beard. Do you trick him with an off-the-cuff Allah Uakbar?

Please explain, old dear. Give us all a bit of tjurd.

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:25am:

Fatima Elomar, wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, admits providing support for foreign fighters. >:(

The real story has yet to come.

It will be how she's given a pathetically minimal sentence because ...

1) Her children need her.

2) She had been 'mislead' by her now-deceased husband.

3) The Muslim Community will rally around her and tell the court she's a woman of good character who was only obeying her husband as a good Muslim wife and mother to his children.

And the final clincher ... which every judge LOVES to hear ..

4) She's sincerely remorseful ... and is a first time offender ... and is a minority ethnic ... and as a Muslim she is by default a victim of Australian racist and Islamophobic attitudes ... and ... and ... and ...

I doubt that she'll get a jail sentence at all.

She'll be seen shopping in Lakemba any day soon now, wearing various Muslim garb to announce to all and sundry her piety, and her moral excellence, and her 'modesty'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians. No Muslims should be accepted by Australia any more - not migrants or 'refugees'.

so far its been 50% Muslim...

and you only need a handful of the mad bastards..

double plus good wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:44am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:40am: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:30am: Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians. No, all screened so far have been ethnic minority Muslims. I heard that most of them will be ethnic minority Christians and a minority Shia Muslims.

You probably heard a lot of things. That's because Abbott's policy announcement was aimed at the Corey Bernardis in his party.

We're not screening for religion, we're asking for at-risk minority groups.

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? Yes but make sure they are non-Muslims. Let Muslim countries take the Muslim refugees.

Why not just send them the Pies ?

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

double plus good wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:44am: Karnal wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:40am: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:30am: Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? You forgot to say if this '12,000' is mostly Christians. No, all screened so far have been ethnic minority Muslims. I heard that most of them will be ethnic minority Christians and a minority Shia Muslims. You probably heard a lot of things. That's because Abbott's policy announcement was aimed at the Corey Bernardis in his party. We're not screening for religion, we're asking for at-risk minority groups.

I swear you leftists want to see Australian people shot and blown up. Do we need more Muslims??

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:03am: we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters. We should import them and convert them to our ways. Your Alpha horses have nothing on ISIS suicide bombers. If they're prepared to kill themselves for ISIS, imagine what they could do for your business. Forget refugees, let's bring in ISIS themselves.

Karmal, you are not entirely wrong.
women are attracted to strong males who are "on mission' with their lives.
i would bet there would be many young girls in britain who would choose an ISIS fighter over a weak politician as a lover .
Women love confident men.
Our male leaders seem to have lost confidence.

Again, this is very odd.

Like a powerful stallion who has lost his nerve and now all the scrubs are running off with his mares.

All the good that you create will be attacked, (at least on planet earth which i call "reality").
If the west are not willing to defend it.
If france has many young muslim scrubs and they out breed the descendants of Napoleon and take over the herd......
all i can say is this is the natural state of things.
they were stronger then you.
you got what you deserved  ;)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

so far its been 50% Muslim... and you only need a handful of the mad bastards..

It's time to put out the trash ... and not allow any further build-up of Muslims in our suburbs.

Collection Day should be Every Day ... taken straight to the airports where Airbus A380s can comfortably seat nearly half a thousand (554) devotees of Islam.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:51am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:46am: so far its been 50% Muslim... and you only need a handful of the mad bastards.. It's time to put out the trash ... and not allow any further build-up of Muslims in our suburbs.

Herbie, it doesn't really matter whether you think it's time or not. Our constitution is timeless. Australia can't legally discriminate under its treaty obligations on the basis of religion. It can't legally discriminate under its urban planning legislation to prevent "build up of Muslims in our suburbs". And it can't legally prevent people from joining a religion.

Menzies tried to get the constitution changed to ban the communist party. The majority of Australians voted against it. Banning a religion in Australia would be next to impossible, if the Liberal Party even wanted to do so.

You're going to need to change your definition of trash. Given the things I see put on the street for the council clean-up, most of it's not trash anyway.

Remember, Herbie, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Soren wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:37am: Panther wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 9:51am: Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash? Yes but make sure they are non-Muslims. Let Muslim countries take the Muslim refugees. Not that easy to do, old chap. We have a thing called the constitution. Any human rights lawyer worth his salt would be all over if Australia started weeding out the Muselmen. But how would you do this anyway? It's easy enough to shave off a beard. Do you trick him with an off-the-cuff Allah Uakbar? Please explain, old dear. Give us all a bit of tjurd.

Check the trouser snakes.

Also, Christians and other non-Muslim minorities are the most vulnerable, most in need of protection.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

That is a complete misstatement. I don’t like Greens—they are based on a lie—but at least argue coherently.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:27am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of Jews Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia. You don't even need a minority Apparently you only need 2 as France found out I'm pretty sure 2 is a minority, in this case. Check with Longy, though.  Year 9 maths, innit?

You don't read much, do you? The point he made was both accurate and powerful, but since your twin super powers are pedantry and cowardice, you missed it.

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:24am: I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman. I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry. Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees. The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

ONLY 4000???????  this was done by SEVEN.

Perspective isnt a strong point for you - at least not yet.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

Quote: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris? Yes maybe we should increase the number to take pressure off of other countries and give them a better chance to correctly asses the people that they take.

wow....

I can't believe you said something quite as stupid as that and yes, it was incredibly stupid.

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of  Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

One baddie is one baddie too many!

OK, everybody pay attention, Greenie is willing to put his life up as collateral, as a guarantee that none of the refugees, refugees he personally feels should be let into Australia, & he's willing to vouch for, will go Jihadi on Australians.

That right Greenie? Or are you just tryin' to sell us more of your racist, leftist, apologist, bull sh!t.


BTW.....who want's the pleasure of holding Greenie to account if one (1) goes bad?

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:23am: I think my point is that governments (and populations) are usually SO risk averse nowadays. the slightest risk and they dont want anything to do with it. I'll bet the greens are trying to terrify people about where to put our "nuclear" waste dump  (which will hold a tiny bit of medical waste) and which poses no threat at all. But there clearly IS a threat (even if small) in importing syrians. i think thats fairly evident. I'm all for importing people, i say that all the time. danish and german engineers American IT specialists South east asian business people. I couldnt care if they are muslim or not. If microsoft has an IT genius who is a muslim and wants to create a start-up. i'll pick him up at the airport, he can marry my daughter. But we should have the right to be very selective As consumers, shopping in the migrant market, we should be getting the best of the best. Like breeding horses cross the best with the best and hope for the best Most people don't really understand risk. I'm not saying we shouldn't be selective generally, and I'd hope humanitarian concerns come into it, but I am saying that won't really reduce the risk of a terrorist attack but not accepting refugees.

Why do you say that? None of our domestic terrorist attacks came from overseas, They were all domestic  - and all refugees.

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of  Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

One baddie is one baddie too many!

OK, everybody pay attention, Greenie is willing to put his life up as collateral, as a guarantee that none of the refugees, refugees he personally feels should be let into Australia, & he's willing to vouch for, will go Jihadi on Australians.

That right Greenie? Or are you just tryin' to sell us more of your racist, leftist, apologist, bull sh!t.


BTW.....who want's the pleasure of holding Greenie to account if one (1) goes bad?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

Why do you say that? None of our domestic terrorist attacks came from overseas, They were all domestic  - and all refugees.

Australia hasn't faced a significant coordinated terrorist attack.

The London bombings were all people who born in, or had lived in the UK most of their lives.
September 11 was foreign nationals, mostly Saudi,  all but one on tourist or Business Visas.

The point is that they can take advantage of multiple means and sympathisers there is nothing inherently risky about refugees.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:33am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:27am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of Jews Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia. You don't even need a minority Apparently you only need 2 as France found out I'm pretty sure 2 is a minority, in this case. Check with Longy, though.  Year 9 maths, innit? You don't read much, do you? The point he made was both accurate and powerful, but since your twin super powers are pedantry and cowardice, you missed it.

I think you've missed the point yourself, Maria. Longy was the board's maths monitor. His role was to fact check posters' numbers and assess their skill level.

Longy tried to extend this to their writing skills, but failed at this task. I notice you've made a number of contributions on grammar and spelling lately yourself, dear. You must have a lot of time on your hands now that you've retired.

Given you studied integral calculus in year 9, would you be interested in Longy's old maths job?

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 3:33pm: Why do you say that? None of our domestic terrorist attacks came from overseas, They were all domestic  - and all refugees. Australia hasn't faced a significant coordinated terrorist attack.

It did in the late 1970s, when the Hilton was bombed. The police were the main suspects on that one. They were never caught.

This decade, we've had one terrorist attack on Australian soil - the shooting of the police employee by the 15 year old Islamist. The Lindt Café siege was not judged to be a terror attack, as the Attorney General has confirmed.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 11:19am: Quote: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris? Yes maybe we should increase the number to take pressure off of other countries and give them a better chance to correctly asses the people that they take. wow.... I can't believe you said something quite as stupid as that and yes, it was incredibly stupid.

I bow to your obvious superior knowledge and skills at stupid, it is difficult to dispute a master.

Oh yes, Longy knows stupidity, daily gives us examples.

BTW Longy, Morgan polls are steady, so the decline will set in soon.

Panther wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:23am: Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of  Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia. One baddie is one baddie too many! OK, everybody pay attention, Greenie is willing to put his life up as collateral, as a guarantee that none of the refugees, refugees he personally feels should be let into Australia, & he's willing to vouch for, will go Jihadi on Australians. That right Greenie? Or are you just tryin' to sell us more of your racist, leftist, apologist, bull sh!t. BTW.....who want's the pleasure of holding Greenie to account if one (1) goes bad?

Sure. I will stand as collateral as long as in return, the hard right don't stir up trouble as they currently are.
Deal?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Oh yes, Longy knows stupidity, daily gives us examples. BTW Longy, Morgan polls are steady, so the decline will set in soon.

You are wrong about Mariacostel being Longweekend.

Have you picked someone who might be IQSRLOW yet? ::)

Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?

when we stop destroying their homes you can argue that we don't let them in, until then bend over and take your medicine like a good boy.

Neferti wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 4:36pm: Oh yes, Longy knows stupidity, daily gives us examples. BTW Longy, Morgan polls are steady, so the decline will set in soon. You are wrong about Mariacostel being Longweekend. Have you picked someone who might be IQSRLOW yet? ::)

So both you and IQ find PA too boring?

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 5:09pm:

Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris? when we stop destroying their homes.........

That's the problem, they were out raping, beheading, & causing mayhem when we paid 'em a call!

What we need is a higher degree of success through better planning preceding elimination!

President Barrack Hussein Obama has personally pledged & committed that the United States will accept 100,000 Syrian Refugees.

Well, many US States ( at least 26 States of the 50  --  so far) think that might need seriously rethinking.



More than half of America's governors say Syrian refugees Not Welcome 

➤➤  http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-backlash/

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Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately.

After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims.

Obama is making a big mistake. Not just by importing Muslims; he is handing the Republicans an issue that a majority of Americans see as bad for America. It could tip the next election.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 5:34am:

Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately. After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims.

There is no comparison between road accidents and heavily armed gangs of Muslim Fanatics creating mass murder from within the Muslim immigrant community.

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on Nov 16th, 2015 at 10:01am: Yes. Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians. By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated. You are a racist Green and unpatriotic You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come. The majority of Jews Refugees  are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

They have no valid documents - we know nothing about them.

We can't take the risk.

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 5:34am:

Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately. After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims.

We work very hard to reduce the risk on the roads.
We would work very hard to reduce many risks.
If we were to say that only 1 in 10,000 congolese had been exposed to ebola and we had visa applications from the congo, i dare say we would close the border to congolese due to unacceptable risk to the australian population.
And that would be closing the border to innocent people who really had done nothing wrong.
If it is true that we have 100 home grown fighters and several hundred sending money from australai, then it appears more then 1 in 10,000 would be the risk of importing some very nasty individuals.
I'm not saying to close our borders but there is a risk and to say there is no risk is just naive

Here is the reason we should not allow anymore Muslims into Australia. This is a report from the American ABC, but it appears on the BBC as well.

"The brother of Salah Abdeslam, the suspected eighth Paris attacker, is urging Salah to turn himself in as authorities step up their already-extensive manhunt.

Mohamed Abdeslam, who spoke to French TV BFM today, said his brother was a devout Muslim, but showed no signs of being a radical Islamist.

"The best would be for him to give himself up so that justice can shed all the light on this," Mohamed Abdeslam said.

Mohamed Abdeslam was detained and questioned following the Friday attack and was released Monday. "I was not tied in any way to anything that happened Friday," he said Monday.

Abdeslam said today that his brother prayed and attended a mosque occasionally, but dressed in jeans and pullovers and showed no signs of being a radical."

The question is whether he is telling the truth, but giving him the benefit of the doubt, he is saying you cannot tell who is going to attack you from the Muslim community. The policy of Muslim Immigration should go to referendum.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:34am: Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately. After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims. There is no comparison between road accidents and heavily armed gangs of Muslim Fanatics creating mass murder from within the Muslim immigrant community.

Yes, the roads are far more dangerous.

There has been injury, possibly loss of life in the fires near Esperance, WA. We do not take measures to reduce the risk of bushfires, like a decent effort to reduce our emissions.

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:50am:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:53am: Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:34am: Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately. After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims. There is no comparison between road accidents and heavily armed gangs of Muslim Fanatics creating mass murder from within the Muslim immigrant community. Yes, the roads are far more dangerous.

Yes, and Muslim atrocities are intentional due to their hatred of us.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:19am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:50am: issuevoter wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:53am: Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:34am: Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately. After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims. There is no comparison between road accidents and heavily armed gangs of Muslim Fanatics creating mass murder from within the Muslim immigrant community. Yes, the roads are far more dangerous. Yes, and Muslim atrocities are intentional due to their hatred of us.

Yes, but still less dangerous.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:02am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:34am: Well, if we consider our national road toll each year, based on the general tone of this discussion, EVERY driver in the country should have their licenses revoked immediately. After all, the risk is massive, it is clearly unmanageable and we have no effective way of testing for which drivers are fatal accidents waiting to find victims. We work very hard to reduce the risk on the roads. We would work very hard to reduce many risks. If we were to say that only 1 in 10,000 congolese had been exposed to ebola and we had visa applications from the congo, i dare say we would close the border to congolese due to unacceptable risk to the australian population. And that would be closing the border to innocent people who really had done nothing wrong. If it is true that we have 100 home grown fighters and several hundred sending money from australai, then it appears more then 1 in 10,000 would be the risk of importing some very nasty individuals. I'm not saying to close our borders but there is a risk and to say there is no risk is just naive

No, it's sheer lunacy!!

I'm just guessing that you people on the left just need more of our innocent Australians to die before you start tiptoeing on the sane side of the matter!

How many women raped do you consider acceptable??

How many preteen girls raped & sold off do you consider acceptable??

How many elderly beheaded is acceptable to you people on the left??


How many moderate, or peaceful Muslims are in the world.....how many moderate Muslims are refugees,  it's all completely & absolutely irrelevant...........period.......if you on the left have the courage to admit the truth you'd know what is relevant, but no, you all seem to slobber at the same politically correct troth!

Political correctness will get you us killed!

You are irrelevant!

Those of you that can handle the truth, watch this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

Panther wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

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I think my question is what are the numbers for these occurring in Australia right now?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 12:40pm: [/font][/size] I think my question is what are the numbers for these occurring in Australia right now?

At this very moment Bojack, at this precise moment, as far as I know, none.......

Ok, Bojack, pull your head out yer ass...slap yerself with your hoof, sober up a bit, then ask your self how many Parisians were killed by terrorists on 14th of November............now, how many were killed between then & the 17th?

ok.....thought about it Bojack?   



Now..........what was your question again?

Never mind......it was irrelevant.

Just wondering......did you have the courage to watch that video I posted?


Quote:

.....Those of you that can handle the truth, watch this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

It's an oldie-but-a-goodie, Panther.

All the points she makes are very good, but I like the coup-de-grace she delivers at the end ...

She tells this Muslim - who's wrapped up like a Take-Away souvlaki - that as an American her primary concern should be for her fellow-Americans, and not for the international Muslim community.

This highlights the attitude shared by Muslims living in Western societies the world over -- Islam and the ummah take priority over all.

Deportation is the answer - the only answer.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

It's an oldie-but-a-goodie, Panther. All the points she makes are very good, but I like the coup-de-grace she delivers in the end ... She tells this Muslim - who's wrapped up like a Take-Away souvlaki - that as an American her primary concern should be for her fellow-Americans, and not for the international Muslim community. This highlights the attitude shared by Muslims living in Western societies the world over -- Islam and the ummah take priority over all. Deportation is the answer - the only answer.

Yup, Christians never worry about other christians.

I understand that Turnbull and Bishop are now on the nose in many rural areas because of this issue.

Not that this will worry them. Not many votes there.

I suppose the option is, let him win the election and then dump him if he doesn't tow the line.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 1:45pm: It's an oldie-but-a-goodie, Panther. All the points she makes are very good, but I like the coup-de-grace she delivers in the end ... She tells this Muslim - who's wrapped up like a Take-Away souvlaki - that as an American her primary concern should be for her fellow-Americans, and not for the international Muslim community. This highlights the attitude shared by Muslims living in Western societies the world over -- Islam and the ummah take priority over all. Deportation is the answer - the only answer. Yup, Christians never worry about other christians.

Not as a priority, no.

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Panther wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Should we still allow 12,000 Middle East Refugees to live here amongst us? ~~  OR  ~~ Should we immediately put that pledge on hold? My Question to you: If you are told that only one (1) slice of large pie has a deadly poison in it, do you very cautiously eat from that pie, or do you throw it all out in the trash?

What a disabled question. ::)
You may as well ask should we punish all Germans for Hitlers atrocities. ::)
I really wonder if you blokes have a functioning brain or if you're just a computerised spam bot. ::)

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

I understand that Turnbull and Bishop are now on the nose in many rural areas because of this issue. Not that this will worry them. Not many votes there. I suppose the option is, let him win the election and then dump him if he doesn't tow the line.

The country areas that are screaming out for people to move there? If Mal is on the nose it is because he is keeping the people they want locked up in concentration camps. Because of bogans and xenophobes.

JFYI.......An example of how 2 Muslim refugees showed gratitude to the country that took them in.

How many of you knew that the two (2) Muslim brothers, the   Boston Marathon Bombers, were in the United States as Refugees who were granted asylum, were provided a free American education, & were fed & clothed by the American people?

How many Americans were killed & maimed by only 2 of them......I bet America was overwhelmed by the gratitude these 2 nice Hate Inspired Muslim boys Refugees Terrorists expressed that day. :-?

Panther wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

JFYI.......An example of how 2 Muslim refugees showed gratitude to the country that took them in. How many of you knew that the two (2) Muslim brothers, the   Boston Marathon Bombers, were in the United States as Refugees who were granted asylum, were provided a free American education, & were fed & clothed by the American people?

May be you should stop by at a hospital instead, and see how Muslim doctors and nurses save lives of everyday Amercican, and pay taxes.   Your assertions are both childish and offensive, and have no place in the modern world.