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Message started by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:42pm

Title: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:42pm
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans

32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans

41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans

38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans

83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)

62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)

42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)


About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf


16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.  1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist


Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60




And on it go's  :'( ...  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm
Look at the source. Hardly credible.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by John Smith on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:53pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:54pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.




You think copy and pasting a bunch of unsubstantiated statistics from a notoriously Islamophobic website is a credible argument?

Seriously?

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by lee on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:55pm
Well if it is a few bad apples- be rid of them before they spoil the rest.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:55pm

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.




You think copy and pasting a bunch of unsubstantiated statistics from a notoriously Islamophobic website is a credible argument?

Seriously?




You need more time.  :)

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:02pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.




You think copy and pasting a bunch of unsubstantiated statistics from a notoriously Islamophobic website is a credible argument?

Seriously?




You need more time.  :)




Not with anything you have presented.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:07pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA


ANy time anyone talks about opinion polls.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by John Smith on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:12pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:07pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA


ANy time anyone talks about opinion polls.



great video ....  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:15pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:07pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA


ANy time anyone talks about opinion polls.



;D

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:17pm

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.




You think copy and pasting a bunch of unsubstantiated statistics from a notoriously Islamophobic website is a credible argument?

Seriously?




You need more time.  :)




Not with anything you have presented.



OK I can see you're going to need a little help, you are stupider than I thought, OK so lets say I go down to the newspaper stand and buy a number of newspapers and magazines full of news stories from around the world and I hand them to you, and you don't believe anything I say, does that now mean that the information in the newspapers and magazines is false because I handed you the pile of newspapers and magazines?, or is the information contained within them still good no matter who gathers it up?

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:27pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:54pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 1:47pm:
Look at the source. Hardly credible.




I want you to have a bit of a think about what a spectacularly idiotic statement you just made and get back to me, take all the time you want, have another more careful look, and get back to me when you have found the ability to even do some very basic low grade thinking.




You think copy and pasting a bunch of unsubstantiated statistics from a notoriously Islamophobic website is a credible argument?

Seriously?




You need more time.  :)




Not with anything you have presented.



OK I can see you're going to need a little help, you are stupider than I thought, OK so lets say I go down to the newspaper stand and buy a number of newspapers and magazines full of news stories from around the world and I hand them to you, and you don't believe anything I say, does that now mean that the information in the newspapers and magazines is false because I handed you the pile of newspapers and magazines?, or is the information contained within them still good no matter who gathers it up?



I see you need it further explained to you.

I distrust your information. I distrust the source. I distrust you. I don't believe a word of it.

Do you understand now? Watch Bojack's clip. That will explain it all to you.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:48pm
How does one get through to the idiot left?, you simply can't, its just not possible, its like trying to educate a Turnip, same thing really  :'(

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by bogarde73 on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:51pm
You know what you do to get rid of a few bad apples.

You spray the whole lot several times with pretty toxic compounds.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:56pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
How does one get through to the idiot left?, you simply can't, its just not possible, its like trying to educate a Turnip, same thing really  :'(


You  dismiss anything they post and say it is not credible because you dislike the source.

The lefties tend to ignore any evidence that goes against a narrative lefties try to construct.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 3:32pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
How does one get through to the idiot left?, you simply can't, its just not possible, its like trying to educate a Turnip, same thing really  :'(



If what you say is true, present me with a credible source.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Kytro on Nov 17th, 2015 at 3:43pm
I prefer the list from Wiki (the same polls, but a bit more detail in some cases).


Quote:
According to an ICM Research poll in 2006, 20% of British Muslims felt sympathy with the July 7 terrorist bombers' "feelings and motives", although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity. In another poll by NOP Research, almost one in four British Muslims believe that the 7/7 attacks on London were justified.

In a Pew Research study from 2006, at least 1 in 4 respondents in the Muslim nations surveyed, except Turkey, had at least some confidence in Bin Laden. Confidence in Bin Laden was 16% or less among Muslims in the four European nations surveyed.

In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, in Europe:

64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 6% sometimes, and 1% thought it could be justified often.
69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
In mainly Muslim countries:

45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 20% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 24% sometimes, and 5% thought it could be justified often.
28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 38% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% sometimes, and 7% thought it could be justified often.
71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 8% sometimes, and 2% thought it could be justified often.
John Esposito, using poll data from Gallup, wrote in 2008 that Muslims and Americans were equally likely to reject violence against civilians. He also found that those Muslims who support violence against civilians are no more religious than Muslims who do not

A 2010 Zogby poll reported that 69% of American Muslims supported stronger laws to fight terrorism.

A 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether attacks on civilians were justified. Globally 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims opposed such violence. About 14% of Muslims in the nations surveyed (and 8% of Muslims in the US) said violence against civilians is "often" or "sometimes" justified. 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh believe attacks are either somewhat justified or often justified, 18% in Malaysia, 7% in Iraq, 15% in Jordan, 29% in Egypt, 39% in Afghanistan and 40% in the Palestinian territories. The survey did not include some Muslim nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, and Libya, but did include densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria and Indonesia. According to a 2007 poll conducted by the PolicyExchange think tank in Britain, nearly 60% said they would prefer to live under British law, while 37% of 16- to 24-year-olds said they would prefer sharia law, against 17% of those over 55. Also, 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.



Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by red baron on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm
Can we have a poll on what percentage of Australians agree with that ISIL should be wiped off the face of the earth?

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:27pm

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Can we have a poll on what percentage of Australians agree with that ISIL should be wiped off the face of the earth?




It would be 100% less whatever the percentage of muslims in Australia is Red. 

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by it_is_the_light on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:28pm

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Can we have a poll on what percentage of Australians agree with that ISIL should be wiped off the face of the earth?


many blessings red baron ..

what about the people corporations and governments

that have funded as much ?

so yeah ..

what about them ?





namaste

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:34pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Can we have a poll on what percentage of Australians agree with that ISIL should be wiped off the face of the earth?




It would be 100% less whatever the percentage of muslims in Australia is Red. 



No. Most Muslims don't like them either.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by red baron on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:34pm
Excuse me for pointing this small fact out but didn't ISIL call for a never ending JIHAD against all Western Countries and anyone that disagreed with ISIL's objectives, including fellow Muslims?

You see the devil is in the detail.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Aussie on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:41pm

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Excuse me for pointing this small fact out but didn't ISIL call for a never ending JIHAD against all Western Countries and anyone that disagreed with ISIL's objectives, including fellow Muslims?

You see the devil is in the detail.


So, your point is?  (Apart from the obvious.)

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:41pm

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Excuse me for pointing this small fact out but didn't ISIL call for a never ending JIHAD against all Western Countries and anyone that disagreed with ISIL's objectives, including fellow Muslims?

You see the devil is in the detail.



Yeah. that's one f the many reasons other Muslims don't like them very much.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:55pm

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Can we have a poll on what percentage of Australians agree with that ISIL should be wiped off the face of the earth?




It would be 100% less whatever the percentage of muslims in Australia is Red. 



No. Most Muslims don't like them either.




Some do, some don't, but all muslims in the West benefit from the leftist appeasement that follows a mussie terror attack, even now the idiot left will be thinking what other position of importance can we now bestow on Waleed Aly in the name of diversity and affirmative action in order to right the wrong that we have inflicted on the muslim community at large thereby causing them to go full f--kin postal with an AK47.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Kytro on Nov 17th, 2015 at 6:50pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm:
Can we have a poll on what percentage of Australians agree with that ISIL should be wiped off the face of the earth?




It would be 100% less whatever the percentage of muslims in Australia is Red. 



No. Most Muslims don't like them either.




Some do, some don't, but all muslims in the West benefit from the leftist appeasement that follows a mussie terror attack, even now the idiot left will be thinking what other position of importance can we now bestow on Waleed Aly in the name of diversity and affirmative action in order to right the wrong that we have inflicted on the muslim community at large thereby causing them to go full f--kin postal with an AK47.


I'll settle for not harassing them in the streets and on public transport.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 6:57pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 6:50pm:
I'll settle for not harassing them in the streets and on public transport.




An extremely rare event.  ;)

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Yadda on Nov 17th, 2015 at 6:59pm

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
You know what you do to get rid of a few bad apples.

You spray the whole lot several times with pretty toxic compounds.




Internment camps for every moslem in Australia, then emigration/deportation to an ISLAMIC paradise of their own choosing.

That is what is needed....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447540083/3#3



Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 17th, 2015 at 7:15pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
You know what you do to get rid of a few bad apples.

You spray the whole lot several times with pretty toxic compounds.




Internment camps for every moslem in Australia, then emigration/deportation to an ISLAMIC paradise of their own choosing.

That is what is needed....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447540083/3#3




Yeah naaah I don't the Greens and the ALP wlll go for that, there is nothing that breaks their heart more than watching a life long voter being given the arse.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by issuevoter on Nov 17th, 2015 at 7:22pm

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
You know what you do to get rid of a few bad apples.

You spray the whole lot several times with pretty toxic compounds.


Whether they are to be "sprayed" or not, the wider community in the Western World need to know that Muslims hate us, and that our leaders a lying to us about that fact.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by The Mechanic on Nov 17th, 2015 at 7:27pm

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by mothra on Nov 17th, 2015 at 8:34pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
You know what you do to get rid of a few bad apples.

You spray the whole lot several times with pretty toxic compounds.


Whether they are to be "sprayed" or not, the wider community in the Western World need to know that Muslims hate us, and that our leaders a lying to us about that fact.



Oh they do not. Calm down.

Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Amadd on Nov 17th, 2015 at 10:42pm

mothra wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 2:51pm:
You know what you do to get rid of a few bad apples.

You spray the whole lot several times with pretty toxic compounds.


Whether they are to be "sprayed" or not, the wider community in the Western World need to know that Muslims hate us, and that our leaders a lying to us about that fact.



Oh they do not. Calm down.


I agree. It's not good to be targeting all muslims for the actions of a few. Otherwise, we are just playing into their hands for their objective of leaving western muslims no place to go but to side with more extremist views.

They want a backlash against the muslim community. They want us at war with each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_nfXoVSpMQ

Sorry, I couldn't get the media link to work there for some reason.


Title: Re: Its just a few bad apples ...
Post by Raven on Nov 18th, 2015 at 3:22pm
Lets look at the French attacks, there are 6 million Muslims living in France.

If 10% are radicalised Muslims (though plenty of people here think its a lot more) then that's 600,000 people, how does France still exist?

Because 10% aren't radicalised.

If 1% are radicalised that's 60,000 people. 60,000 terrorists can kill a lot more people then a couple of hundred.

What if it's a tenth of a percent. That's 6,000 people, 6,000 terrorists can kill a lot more then a couple of hundred people.

There are at least 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If people on this site, and other muslim haters are to be believed then a large percentage of them are set to kill and enslave us.

If that's the case then why aren't we dead yet. Can you imagine 10% of 1.6 billion Muslims as terrorists? the whole world would have burned by now.

The fact is organisations like ISIS, Boko Haram and all the other Muslim terrorist organisations combined make up an estimated 0.0003% of the entire Muslim population.

By painting all Muslims with the same brush what you are actually doing is helping ISIS, all they want is to drive a wedge between Muslims and the rest of the world. The vast majority of Muslims want to work, raise their children and live in peace.

Instead we see traitors like Pauline Hanson on the news blaming all Muslims thereby helping our enemies recruit more and more disenfranchised youths.   


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