The rise of ISIS presents a good opportunity to talk to Muslims about Islam in the modern world. The violence they inspire in western nations can be a good starter for a conversation we ought to be having. Unfortunately our politicians and media tend to present to shallow dichotomy when talking to Muslims, or talking about how we should talk to Muslims - either "ban them, bomb them," or "walk on eggshells in case we turn them into terrorists." I suggest a middle ground that reinforces the rights and liberties of all without shying away from the uncomfortable reality that faces us. It treats Muslims as mature individuals capable of standing up for themselves without slaughtering innocent people, yet does not simplistically deny the link between ISIS, terrorism and Islam.

The violence of ISIS and their supporters presents such a great opportunity to have this conversation because it allows us to demonstrate, by contrast, a fundamental requirement of civilised society: how to debate controversial issues without it descending into fisticuffs or exploding buses. Here I depart from both sides of the dichotomy - not shying from the difficult issues, while also not over-reacting. By this I mean not just keeping your temper in check, but also refraining from throwing out the freedoms that distinguish us from an Islamic State. We should make Muslims feel welcome here, while also making them understand how we feel about the more barbaric aspects of Islam. Trying to protect Muslims from our opinion about Islam is in my view just as dangerous as making them feel like we cannot co-exist.

So next time you sit down on the train and open your newspaper to a photo of bloody carnage, show it to the Muslim sitting next to you and calmly ask him his opinion it. For example, you could ask whether he considers ISIS to be a Caliphate, how a 'proper' Caliphate might differ from ISIS and whether he would feel compelled to support such a nation. If it is a story about cartoonists being executed, ask him what he thinks about the government's role in protecting him from mockery of Islam and Muhammed. If it is a story about acid being thrown in girls' faces, ask him what he thinks about a woman's right to dress how she chooses. If it is about Israel, ask him if Islam compels Muslims to make non-Muslims second class citizens wherever they gain political control. Most people who openly self-identify as a Muslim are eager for the opportunity to give their views in a safe environment.

Don't be shy.

Just be careful of the ones who stand up with crazy eyes and yell "Allah Akbar"  :o :o

Certainly open dialogue is admirable in a world full of ignorance

OK, so I am sitting next to this guy, and I do as you say. Then he turns to me and says, "I am Sike, not a bloody Muslim! You think because I look Middle Eastern I am one of those bastards! You are just another racist!"

freediver wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

The rise of ISIS presents a good opportunity to talk to Muslims about Islam in the modern world. The violence they inspire in western nations can be a good starter for a conversation we ought to be having. Unfortunately our politicians and media tend to present to shallow dichotomy when talking to Muslims, or talking about how we should talk to Muslims - either "ban them, bomb them," or "walk on eggshells in case we turn them into terrorists." I suggest a middle ground that reinforces the rights and liberties of all without shying away from the uncomfortable reality that faces us. It treats Muslims as mature individuals capable of standing up for themselves without slaughtering innocent people, yet does not simplistically deny the link between ISIS, terrorism and Islam. The violence of ISIS and their supporters presents such a great opportunity to have this conversation because it allows us to demonstrate, by contrast, a fundamental requirement of civilised society: how to debate controversial issues without it descending into fisticuffs or exploding buses. Here I depart from both sides of the dichotomy - not shying from the difficult issues, while also not over-reacting. By this I mean not just keeping your temper in check, but also refraining from throwing out the freedoms that distinguish us from an Islamic State. We should make Muslims feel welcome here, while also making them understand how we feel about the more barbaric aspects of Islam. Trying to protect Muslims from our opinion about Islam is in my view just as dangerous as making them feel like we cannot co-exist. So next time you sit down on the train and open your newspaper to a photo of bloody carnage, show it to the Muslim sitting next to you and calmly ask him his opinion it. For example, you could ask whether he considers ISIS to be a Caliphate, how a 'proper' Caliphate might differ from ISIS and whether he would feel compelled to support such a nation. If it is a story about cartoonists being executed, ask him what he thinks about the government's role in protecting him from mockery of Islam and Muhammed. If it is a story about acid being thrown in girls' faces, ask him what he thinks about a woman's right to dress how she chooses. If it is about Israel, ask him if Islam compels Muslims to make non-Muslims second class citizens wherever they gain political control. Most people who openly self-identify as a Muslim are eager for the opportunity to give their views in a safe environment. Don't be shy.

That's a good idea.

It will be really hard for me, but a guy I meet occasionally is a muslim.
I will ponder this and attempt it.

Let us know how it goes. Let him do all the talking the first time.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30137063/hug-me-if-you-trust-me-im-told-im-a-terrorist-says-muslim-man-in-paris/

Unfortunately our politicians and media tend to present to shallow dichotomy when talking to Muslims, or talking about how we should talk to Muslims - either "ban them, bomb them," or "walk on eggshells in case we turn them into terrorists."


Maybe I had the wrong impression of you FD ... all this time I always thought all you wanted to do was ban or bomb them.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Just be careful of the ones who stand up with crazy eyes and yell "Allah Akbar"  :o :o Certainly open dialogue is admirable in a world full of ignorance

The odd thing is that it's not the ignorance of an informed Western public that is the problem, but the ignorance of the ordinary Muslim living in the West who doesn't know his own religion.

"Oh! This is not Islam!" They wail and lament ... but yes it is, Mustafa - and it's all there to be read in the Koran and Surah if you'll only trouble yourself to take a look.

It's like Australia's Grand Mufti who blamed the Paris massacre on the West. Not a word about passages in the Sacred Texts of Islam that justify these barbarities. This idiot has been taking an awful drubbing in the media since his apologist little speech after the 129 got killed.

Just because the majority of Muslims don't go running around beheading people and firing AK-47's doesn't mean these belligerent passages aren't in the Koran.

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Unfortunately our politicians and media tend to present to shallow dichotomy when talking to Muslims, or talking about how we should talk to Muslims - either "ban them, bomb them," or "walk on eggshells in case we turn them into terrorists." Maybe I had the wrong impression of you FD ... all this time I always thought all you wanted to do was ban or bomb them.

;D

How about standing FD a free Italian meal down in Little Italy's Norton street by way of apology? And a bottle of Chianti? Huh?

You can take me too. All I've ever wanted with our Muslims is 'dialogue' - kumbaya - and ethnic dancing on the street outside the Lakemba mosque.   8-)

**

Asking a Muslim for his opinion on these matters is a useless exercise. He'll tell you whatever he thinks will remove him from any suspicion of sympathising with these terrorists.

And with half a dozen of our security agencies asking us to inform them of anyone who seems even remotely in sympathy with terrorism - he'd be a fool to tell you anything that might compromise himself with the feds and the undercover guys.

And then ... never discuss religion or politics with a stranger ... 

freediver wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Let us know how it goes. Let him do all the talking the first time.

how about YOU give us an example of what happened to you when you did just  that??..


whats that old saying we hurdle at leaders.. ::) ::)

LEAD BY EXAMPLE>

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Let us know how it goes. Let him do all the talking the first time. how about YOU give us an example of what happened to you when you did just  that??.. whats that old saying we hurdle at leaders.. ::) ::) LEAD BY EXAMPLE>

Let's hope FD doesn't forget to put on his flak jacket before he boards the train.

People actually may not open up to complete strangers on the train, especially when there are so much negative press about being muslim in the press. 

In order to know the true stories, may be go and help out at a refugee shelter / aid organization. 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

People actually may not open up to complete strangers on the train, especially when there are so much negative press about being muslim in the press.  In order to know the true stories, may be go and help out at a refugee shelter / aid organization.

It's homosexuals who initiate conversations with strangers on trains.

You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's no science to it.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:56pm: freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Let us know how it goes. Let him do all the talking the first time. how about YOU give us an example of what happened to you when you did just  that??.. whats that old saying we hurdle at leaders.. ::) ::) LEAD BY EXAMPLE> Let's hope FD doesn't forget to put on his flak jacket before he boards the train.

he told me   they wouldnt stand a chance if he came across them'   fight to the death.


I am still interested how he can tell an EXTREME MUSLIM from a nice PASSIVE ONE>>...

::) ::) ::)

but lets see how that train trip in Lakemba works out.. ;)

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:07pm: People actually may not open up to complete strangers on the train, especially when there are so much negative press about being muslim in the press.  In order to know the true stories, may be go and help out at a refugee shelter / aid organization.  It's homosexuals who initiate conversations with strangers on trains.

What is it that attracts them to you?

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it.

demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict..

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:12pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:07pm: People actually may not open up to complete strangers on the train, especially when there are so much negative press about being muslim in the press.  In order to know the true stories, may be go and help out at a refugee shelter / aid organization.  It's homosexuals who initiate conversations with strangers on trains. What is it that attracts them to you?

come on gweg you know the answer to that... ;) ;) ;)

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it. demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict..

What are you rabbiting on about?

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:16pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:12pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:07pm: People actually may not open up to complete strangers on the train, especially when there are so much negative press about being muslim in the press.  In order to know the true stories, may be go and help out at a refugee shelter / aid organization.  It's homosexuals who initiate conversations with strangers on trains. What is it that attracts them to you? come on gweg you know the answer to that... ;) ;) ;)

His feminine demeanor?

His flamboyant dress sense?

Tell us, cods.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it. demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict..

You need a demonstration of how to talk to people?

Are you serious?

"You just talk to them as you would to any other person."

What's confusing about that statement?

Let me take a guess here: you've never spoken to a Muslim.

I like your lofty aims Freediver however they treat us with deep suspicion and the feelings mutual.

This is one continental divide that can't be breached. To them we are Infidels, to us they are pagans who worship a brutal philosophy.

Like I say, your aims are sweet, however I fear unrealistic.

red baron wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

I like your lofty aims Freediver however they treat us with deep suspicion and the feelings mutual.

Speak for yourself.

I had a Muslim in my office not more than 30 minutes ago, and we treated each other with trust and respect.

I get the feeling that a lot of forum members here have never actually met or spoken with a Muslim before.

I am talking ideologies here Gregg and Christianity and Islam go together like oil and water.

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:17pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it. demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict.. What are you rabbiting on about?

you mentioned theres NOW SCIENCE to it..

what are you rabbiting about.???..

so how about showing us..  ; ::) ::)

I thought that was pretty obvious?....NO... or NOW.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:17pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it. demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict.. You need a demonstration of how to talk to people? Are you serious? "You just talk to them as you would to any other person." What's confusing about that statement? Let me take a guess here: you've never spoken to a Muslim.

well YES DEAR.... first FIND YOUR MUSLIM>. oh make thats

FIRST FIND YOUR FRIENDLY MUSLIM...

having been assured theres NOW SCIENCE to it..

I just thought you lefties have the magic go to...

you are so full of it... let us all know how it goes..

I admit gweg  I cant pick MUSLIMS out in a crowd

I can pick gays though.. well for the most part... but  nice friendly muslim bloke...I need your tips..

its the science between picking a nice Muslim fron a EXtreme one... if you guys can help with that...

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:19pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:17pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it. demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict.. What are you rabbiting on about? you mentioned theres NOW SCIENCE to it.. what are you rabbiting about.???.. so how about showing us..  ; ::) ::) I thought that was pretty obvious?....NO... or NOW.

I said there was no science to it Cods. You just treat a Muslim like you would treat anybody else.

Oh look i said 'now'. It was a typo. I meant 'no'.

I KNOW YOU DID>.


cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

its the science between picking a nice Muslim fron a EXtreme one... if you guys can help with that...

I admit it I cant tell the difference... but you can.. so obviously there is a science to it..


just sayin

are you lefties going to advise your children to do this...


talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship.

just checking..

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:32pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:19pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:17pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's now science to it. demonstration please....I am sure the leaders of the world are awaiting your experience and verdict.. What are you rabbiting on about? you mentioned theres NOW SCIENCE to it.. what are you rabbiting about.???.. so how about showing us..  ; ::) ::) I thought that was pretty obvious?....NO... or NOW. I said there was no science to it Cods. You just treat a Muslim like you would treat anybody else.

Absolutely astounding that anyone would need that explained to them.

What's happening to this country - when did ignorant bigotry become the norm?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

What's happening to this country - when did ignorant bigotry become the norm?

It's been steadily increasing since 1788. Kinda sneaks up on one!

Good OP too FD.

I think though, rather than specifically trying for a Muslim per se, we need to open  up dialogue in general. In short, if you judge the person next to you approachable - have a chat with them, how hard can it be.

red baron wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

I like your lofty aims Freediver however they treat us with deep suspicion and the feelings mutual. This is one continental divide that can't be breached. To them we are Infidels, to us they are pagans who worship a brutal philosophy. Like I say, your aims are sweet, however I fear unrealistic.

you're a fool ... and to think, they used to let you have a gun  :D :D :D

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

I KNOW YOU DID>. cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:36pm: its the science between picking a nice Muslim fron a EXtreme one... if you guys can help with that... I admit it I cant tell the difference... but you can.. so obviously there is a science to it.. just sayin

the extreme one is the one trying to shoot you ...  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:40pm: I KNOW YOU DID>. cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:36pm: its the science between picking a nice Muslim fron a EXtreme one... if you guys can help with that... I admit it I cant tell the difference... but you can.. so obviously there is a science to it.. just sayin the extreme one is the one trying to shoot you ...  :D :D :D

Not that hard to figure out, one would have thought.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

are you lefties going to advise your children to do this...

talk to people? sure .... you mean to tell me that's not how you righties raise your kids?

No wonder most rightards spend all their time talking down to people :D :D :D

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking..

What's wrong with saying hello? How are you?

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you?

it doesn't sound right when slurring

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to people? sure .... you mean to tell me that's not how you righties raise your kids? No wonder most rightards spend all their time talking down to people :D :D :D

NOPE this righty would never teach her kids to chat up any STRANGER on a bus or a train....

good to know  you would though..

is that before or after the stranger danger chat??..

or isnt it politically correct to use the word DANGER when referring to muslims.. ::) ::) ::)

wait a minute in lefties world there is NO STRANGER DANGER. ::)..alls good.



I am just asking you see... a simple question...........

and you admit..

you really teach your children to chat to strangers.. well done...good to know you feel that safe and confident  in our country.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to people? sure .... you mean to tell me that's not how you righties raise your kids? No wonder most rightards spend all their time talking down to people :D :D :D NOPE this righty would never teach her kids to chat up any STRANGER on a bus or a train.... good to know  you would though.. is that before or after the stranger danger chat??.. or isnt it politically correct to use the word DANGER when referring to muslims.. ::) ::) ::) wait a minute in lefties world there is NO STRANGER DANGER. ::)..alls good. I am just asking you see... a simple question........... and you admit.. you really teach your children to chat to strangers.. well done...good to know you feel that safe and confident  in our country.

Actually, stranger danger is a myth. Most attackers are known to their victims.

But we're talking about saying hello to people here Cods. Not going back to their white van to look at their puppies.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

NOPE this righty would never teach her kids to chat up any STRANGER on a bus or a train....

Nobody said "chat up".

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to people? sure .... you mean to tell me that's not how you righties raise your kids? No wonder most rightards spend all their time talking down to people :D :D :D NOPE this righty would never teach her kids to chat up any STRANGER on a bus or a train.... good to know  you would though.. is that before or after the stranger danger chat??.. or isnt it politically correct to use the word DANGER when referring to muslims.. ::) ::) ::) wait a minute in lefties world there is NO STRANGER DANGER. ::)..alls good. I am just asking you see... a simple question........... and you admit.. you really teach your children to chat to strangers.. well done...good to know you feel that safe and confident  in our country.

Chat up?

I think you're confused. I thought we were talking about talking to strangers on a bus or on a train. Not asking them out on a date.

I bet you're one of those people that gets into an elevator with another person, and you don't even say Hi, you pretend they're not there.  :D :D :D :D

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you?

huhummmmmmmmmmm OK if your ok with that..

I did askl

have you done it..

it all sounds great and wonderful and warm and fuzzy...

great and your mate has admitted lefties believe in teaching their kids to talk to strangers as FD has suggested....

I am not saying a word... I just asked a QUESTION...

why dont you try it.. and let us know how you get on???>.

if you so hell bent on it... FINE>..

I didnt say there was anything wrong with it..


all I asked was are you going to give it a go and tell us how it went??>.

how hard is that???>.

jS lets his kids talk to people on public transport he can tell us how they go... I am sure it is enlightening..

and I am just gobsmacked at the trust you all display I find it wonderful.


who knows this may be a new beginning...

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:18pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you? huhummmmmmmmmmm OK if your ok with that.. I did askl have you done it.. it all sounds great and wonderful and warm and fuzzy... great and your mate has admitted lefties believe in teaching their kids to talk to strangers as FD has suggested.... I am not saying a word... I just asked a QUESTION... why dont you try it.. and let us know how you get on???>. if you so hell bent on it... FINE>.. I didnt say there was anything wrong with it.. all I asked was are you going to give it a go and tell us how it went??>. how hard is that???>. jS lets his kids talk to people on public transport he can tell us how they go... I am sure it is enlightening.. and I am just gobsmacked at the trust you all display I find it wonderful. who knows this may be a new beginning...

I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down.

What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody?

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:22pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to people? sure .... you mean to tell me that's not how you righties raise your kids? No wonder most rightards spend all their time talking down to people :D :D :D NOPE this righty would never teach her kids to chat up any STRANGER on a bus or a train.... good to know  you would though.. is that before or after the stranger danger chat??.. or isnt it politically correct to use the word DANGER when referring to muslims.. ::) ::) ::) wait a minute in lefties world there is NO STRANGER DANGER. ::)..alls good. I am just asking you see... a simple question........... and you admit.. you really teach your children to chat to strangers.. well done...good to know you feel that safe and confident  in our country. Chat up? I think you're confused. I thought we were talking about talking to strangers on a bus or on a train. Not asking them out on a date. I bet you're one of those people that gets into an elevator with another person, and you don't even say Hi, you pretend they're not there.  :D :D :D :D

dodge dodge I am talking about what the OP is about...

ok i know spell it out in Caps... and I didnt..

follow the OP and start from there..

he is talking about YOU starting a conversation with a MUSLIM and asking for HIS?HER opinion...

I just asked if you would be happy with your kids doing that..

and you said YES.. only righties are blah blah.. ::) ::)


I could say a lot of rude things about you... but I wont..

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:30pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:18pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you? huhummmmmmmmmmm OK if your ok with that.. I did askl have you done it.. it all sounds great and wonderful and warm and fuzzy... great and your mate has admitted lefties believe in teaching their kids to talk to strangers as FD has suggested.... I am not saying a word... I just asked a QUESTION... why dont you try it.. and let us know how you get on???>. if you so hell bent on it... FINE>.. I didnt say there was anything wrong with it.. all I asked was are you going to give it a go and tell us how it went??>. how hard is that???>. jS lets his kids talk to people on public transport he can tell us how they go... I am sure it is enlightening.. and I am just gobsmacked at the trust you all display I find it wonderful. who knows this may be a new beginning... I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody?

NONE :D :D

I am sure a lot of people would agree with you....


I dont but dont mind me.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:32pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:30pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:18pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you? huhummmmmmmmmmm OK if your ok with that.. I did askl have you done it.. it all sounds great and wonderful and warm and fuzzy... great and your mate has admitted lefties believe in teaching their kids to talk to strangers as FD has suggested.... I am not saying a word... I just asked a QUESTION... why dont you try it.. and let us know how you get on???>. if you so hell bent on it... FINE>.. I didnt say there was anything wrong with it.. all I asked was are you going to give it a go and tell us how it went??>. how hard is that???>. jS lets his kids talk to people on public transport he can tell us how they go... I am sure it is enlightening.. and I am just gobsmacked at the trust you all display I find it wonderful. who knows this may be a new beginning... I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody? NONE :D :D I am sure a lot of people would agree with you.... I dont but dont mind me.

Firstly, my children are never unsupervised so there is no danger.

As i said, i'm not teaching them to go anywhere with a stranger, just to be polite and friendly.

You'd be amazed what good a little kindness does in the world.

I passed two of these in the street yesterday  ...

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01079/burka_280_1079452a.jpg

The slit was even narrower than that shown in the image.

Perhaps they should equip their attire with a door knocker so I could *tap tap tap* and say ...  "Hello how are you?"

Impossible to know what was even underneath it and those talking about letting their kids prance up and go *tap tap tap* have probably never even seen one in person.

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:35pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:32pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:30pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:18pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you? huhummmmmmmmmmm OK if your ok with that.. I did askl have you done it.. it all sounds great and wonderful and warm and fuzzy... great and your mate has admitted lefties believe in teaching their kids to talk to strangers as FD has suggested.... I am not saying a word... I just asked a QUESTION... why dont you try it.. and let us know how you get on???>. if you so hell bent on it... FINE>.. I didnt say there was anything wrong with it.. all I asked was are you going to give it a go and tell us how it went??>. how hard is that???>. jS lets his kids talk to people on public transport he can tell us how they go... I am sure it is enlightening.. and I am just gobsmacked at the trust you all display I find it wonderful. who knows this may be a new beginning... I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody? NONE :D :D I am sure a lot of people would agree with you.... I dont but dont mind me. Firstly, my children are never unsupervised so there is no danger. As i said, i'm not teaching them to go anywhere with a stranger, just to be polite and friendly. You'd be amazed what good a little kindness does in the world.

what about school buses??...and or school rains... you are talking just about your own children.. I am talking in general as mine are all gone...however my 11 yr old grandson will be with me next year and he will travel by school bus to school..and back home.. not happy but he is an independent boy..and travel half way across Copenhagen on his own for school....but then so do most kids in Denmark...here it is different.. do you think I should encourage him to talk to some say hello how are you whilst waiting at the bus stop???>..


I have only heard about what happens to kids who meet strangers and are never seen again.,. or if they are its usually not nice...... I guess you dont hear about those  which is good.

btw...you wont be supervising your children forever.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:37pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:35pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:32pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:30pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:18pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:41pm: are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking.. What's wrong with saying hello? How are you? huhummmmmmmmmmm OK if your ok with that.. I did askl have you done it.. it all sounds great and wonderful and warm and fuzzy... great and your mate has admitted lefties believe in teaching their kids to talk to strangers as FD has suggested.... I am not saying a word... I just asked a QUESTION... why dont you try it.. and let us know how you get on???>. if you so hell bent on it... FINE>.. I didnt say there was anything wrong with it.. all I asked was are you going to give it a go and tell us how it went??>. how hard is that???>. jS lets his kids talk to people on public transport he can tell us how they go... I am sure it is enlightening.. and I am just gobsmacked at the trust you all display I find it wonderful. who knows this may be a new beginning... I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody? NONE :D :D I am sure a lot of people would agree with you.... I dont but dont mind me. Firstly, my children are never unsupervised so there is no danger. As i said, i'm not teaching them to go anywhere with a stranger, just to be polite and friendly. You'd be amazed what good a little kindness does in the world. what about school buses??...and or school rains... you are talking just about your own children.. I am talking in general as mine are all gone...however my 11 yr old grandson will be with me next year and he will travel by school bus to school..and back home.. not happy but he is an independent boy..and travel half way across Copenhagen on his own for school....but then so do most kids in Denmark...here it is different.. do you think I should encourage him to talk to some say hello how are you whilst waiting at the bus stop???>.. I have only heard about what happens to kids who meet strangers and are never seen again.,. or if they are its usually not nice...... I guess you dont hear about those  which is good. btw...you wont be supervising your children forever.

There is no harm in saying hello how are you.

There is no danger in meeting people.

There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello.

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello.

In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:46pm: There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello. In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook.

Did i say to approach them?

In passing, you say "Hello, how are you?"

Do you people really not live like that?

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

I passed two of these in the street yesterday  ... http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01079/burka_280_1079452a.jpg The slit was even narrower than that shown in the image. Perhaps they should equip their attire with a door knocker so I could *tap tap tap* and say ...  "Hello how are you?" Impossible to know what was even underneath it and those talking about letting their kids prance up and go *tap tap tap* have probably never even seen one in person.

Impossible to know what was even underneath it:


http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/10/19/1226743/105304-fat-cat.jpg


Impossible to know what was even underneath it:


https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/150527/280515braeaglesmascot2_1amauvo-1amauvt.jpg


Impossible to know what was even underneath it:


http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/files/2013/03/disneyland.jpg

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's no science to it.

Nonsense.

Strangers on trains prefer to keep to themselves and not be intruded upon by suspect-homosexuals trying to crack onto them.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's no science to it. Nonsense. Strangers on trains prefer to keep to themselves and not be intruded upon by suspect-homosexuals trying to crack onto them.

You mean if you catch eye contact with somebody you just what, glare at them?

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:32pm:

I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody?

Don't be so bloody naive.

In Sydney saying "Hello" to strangers is the best way to get into some sort of trouble as it is in any big city.

You're just asking for trouble in today's world.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's no science to it. Nonsense. Strangers on trains prefer to keep to themselves and not be intruded upon by suspect-homosexuals trying to crack onto them.

Sounds like you've had a lot of knock backs.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:32pm: I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody? Don't be so bloody naive. In Sydney saying "Hello" to strangers is the best way to get into some sort of trouble as it is in any big city. You're just asking for trouble in today's world.

Rubbish. Saying hello will not get you into trouble.

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:27pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's no science to it. Nonsense. Strangers on trains prefer to keep to themselves and not be intruded upon by suspect-homosexuals trying to crack onto them. You mean if you catch eye contact with somebody you just what, glare at them?

Precisely.

"Whadda YOU ******* want?" is the standard and required response if you live in Sydney.  8-)

I just happen to live in a NO EYE-CONTACT ZONE suburb in Sydney. If you know what's good for youse, you avoid eye-contact as much as possible. It's a bit hard when you're at the optometrists, but otherwise everybody avoids eye-contact in this tough suburb.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Let us know how it goes. Let him do all the talking the first time. how about YOU give us an example of what happened to you when you did just  that??.. whats that old saying we hurdle at leaders.. ::) ::) LEAD BY EXAMPLE>

Good point.  FD, how about you let us know how it goes with you, instead of making bullets for others to fire?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:27pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:14pm: You just talk to them as you would to any other person. There's no science to it. Nonsense. Strangers on trains prefer to keep to themselves and not be intruded upon by suspect-homosexuals trying to crack onto them. You mean if you catch eye contact with somebody you just what, glare at them? Precisely. "Whadda YOU ******* want?" is the standard and required response if you live in Sydney.  8-) I just happen to live in a NO EYE-CONTACT ZONE suburb in Sydney. If you know what's good for you, you avoid eye-contact as much as possible. It's a bit hard when you're at the optometrists, but otherwise everybody avoids eye-contact in this tough suburb.

It is nothing like that where i live.

But then again, i'm not glaring at people.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:46pm: There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello. In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook.

mothra isnt reading the op... its about US anyone in OZ starting up a conversation with someone on a train.. who hopefully is a muslim????>....so OZ people can find a way to find out how they really feel about world events..

when I mean children I am not talking about 5 year olds.. alone.. what about 14 15 16 year olds...all children in  my eyes...

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:55pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:46pm: There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello. In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook. mothra isnt reading the op... its about US anyone in OZ starting up a conversation with someone on a train.. who hopefully is a muslim????>....so OZ people can find a way to find out how they really feel about world events.. when I mean children I am not talking about 5 year olds.. alone.. what about 14 15 16 year olds...all children in  my eyes...

No i'm not talking about the OP.

The OP is silly.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

I had a Muslim in my office not more than 30 minutes ago, and we treated each other with trust and respect. I get the feeling that a lot of forum members here have never actually met or spoken with a Muslim before.

Can I judge what Christianity is all about by the good Christian I trust and respect?

My parents weren't Christians I have never read the bible, I guess by using your standards I am an expert on Christianity because I know a christian

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

are you lefties going to advise your children to do this... talk to strange men who are muslims on trains/buses...all in the name of friendship. just checking..

;D

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:29pm: I had a Muslim in my office not more than 30 minutes ago, and we treated each other with trust and respect. I get the feeling that a lot of forum members here have never actually met or spoken with a Muslim before. Can I judge what Christianity is all about by the good Christian I trust and respect? My parents weren't Christians I have never read the bible, I guess by using your standards I am an expert on Christianity because I know a christian

What are you suggesting Baron?

That you don't talk to Muslims just like you would anybody else?

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:42pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:55pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:46pm: There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello. In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook. mothra isnt reading the op... its about US anyone in OZ starting up a conversation with someone on a train.. who hopefully is a muslim????>....so OZ people can find a way to find out how they really feel about world events.. when I mean children I am not talking about 5 year olds.. alone.. what about 14 15 16 year olds...all children in  my eyes... No i'm not talking about the OP. The OP is silly.

well thats what I am talking about......

you say its nice its friendly to talk to people...

I asked you to give it a go and let us know how it works for you...and you asked

what are you blabbing about?...


so I am confused...

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:00pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:47pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:42pm: Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:55pm: mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:46pm: There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello. In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook. mothra isnt reading the op... its about US anyone in OZ starting up a conversation with someone on a train.. who hopefully is a muslim????>....so OZ people can find a way to find out how they really feel about world events.. when I mean children I am not talking about 5 year olds.. alone.. what about 14 15 16 year olds...all children in  my eyes... No i'm not talking about the OP. The OP is silly. well thats what I am talking about...... you say its nice its friendly to talk to people... I asked you to give it a go and let us know how it works for you...and you asked what are you blabbing about?... so I am confused...

There was confusion there because you were quoting me saying "there is now science to it" when what i meant to say was "there is NO science to it".

You were pressing me to explain the science and i didn't realise i'd made a typo so had no idea what you were talking about.

Hope this clears it all up.

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:04pm: cods wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:56pm: freediver wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Let us know how it goes. Let him do all the talking the first time. how about YOU give us an example of what happened to you when you did just  that??.. whats that old saying we hurdle at leaders.. ::) ::) LEAD BY EXAMPLE> Let's hope FD doesn't forget to put on his flak jacket before he boards the train. he told me   they wouldnt stand a chance if he came across them'   fight to the death. I am still interested how he can tell an EXTREME MUSLIM from a nice PASSIVE ONE>>... ::) ::) ::) but lets see how that train trip in Lakemba works out.. ;)

Here's a tip cods - ask them. See the opening post if this is too complicated.

In response to your other question - I have had a Muslim colleague tell me the history of 'his people' without even prompting. ISIS wasn't around at the time, but it seems they were largely on the receiving end of that sort of behaviour.

A Muslim looking guy started up a conversation with me last night while I was sitting on a park bench eating dinner before social tennis. But I got the impression he was not actually a Muslim, and I did not get the chance to steer the conversation anywhere before my game started, though he did express an interest in visiting Egypt, so maybe that was a missed opportunity.

freediver - good on you.

the muzzie I was thinking of I will now not be meeting for some time.

Will keep your thoughts in mind. as difficult as it is for me.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:32pm: I've raised my children to say hello, how are you to people. Sometimes you get a chat out it. Sometimes they shut you down. What possible harm could there be in saying hello how are you to somebody? Don't be so bloody naive. In Sydney saying "Hello" to strangers is the best way to get into some sort of trouble as it is in any big city. You're just asking for trouble in today's world.

maybe if you glare at them with hatred oozing out of every pore, you might have a point.

I used to go out in Sydney all the time. usually by train from the Gong. I found most people were pretty good. After all, the whole reason to go out is to meet people and socialise. :D :D :D

I am not sure why one would even want to talk to them in the first place.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I am not sure why one would even want to talk to them in the first place.

to show them how much we hate them. You know, in a loving way :-)

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I am not sure why one would even want to talk to them in the first place.

Er......talking to white Anglo Saxon Aussies gets boring.

It's a big world out there, the more you talk to people from other nationalities and cultures, the more you learn about it....education is wonderful, yes?

Imagine only talking to white Australians however nice and educated they are, they are not Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Serbian or Russian.....get the pic?

You are like me Mothra. I talk to all sorts of people when I'm out and about. You learn so much, it's amazing.

I was invited to share a Filipino persons lunch today at the beach, all I did was smile at her, then she came over and invited me to her table......I only had one biscuit but she was so happy that an Aussie actually wanted to talk to her.

Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant.

freediver wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

The rise of ISIS presents a good opportunity to talk to Muslims about Islam in the modern world. The violence they inspire in western nations can be a good starter for a conversation we ought to be having. Unfortunately our politicians and media tend to present to shallow dichotomy when talking to Muslims, or talking about how we should talk to Muslims - either "ban them, bomb them," or "walk on eggshells in case we turn them into terrorists." I suggest a middle ground that reinforces the rights and liberties of all without shying away from the uncomfortable reality that faces us. It treats Muslims as mature individuals capable of standing up for themselves without slaughtering innocent people, yet does not simplistically deny the link between ISIS, terrorism and Islam. The violence of ISIS and their supporters presents such a great opportunity to have this conversation because it allows us to demonstrate, by contrast, a fundamental requirement of civilised society: how to debate controversial issues without it descending into fisticuffs or exploding buses. Here I depart from both sides of the dichotomy - not shying from the difficult issues, while also not over-reacting. By this I mean not just keeping your temper in check, but also refraining from throwing out the freedoms that distinguish us from an Islamic State. We should make Muslims feel welcome here, while also making them understand how we feel about the more barbaric aspects of Islam. Trying to protect Muslims from our opinion about Islam is in my view just as dangerous as making them feel like we cannot co-exist. So next time you sit down on the train and open your newspaper to a photo of bloody carnage, show it to the Muslim sitting next to you and calmly ask him his opinion it. For example, you could ask whether he considers ISIS to be a Caliphate, how a 'proper' Caliphate might differ from ISIS and whether he would feel compelled to support such a nation. If it is a story about cartoonists being executed, ask him what he thinks about the government's role in protecting him from mockery of Islam and Muhammed. If it is a story about acid being thrown in girls' faces, ask him what he thinks about a woman's right to dress how she chooses. If it is about Israel, ask him if Islam compels Muslims to make non-Muslims second class citizens wherever they gain political control. Most people who openly self-identify as a Muslim are eager for the opportunity to give their views in a safe environment. Don't be shy.

As I read this I felt a rising bout of nausea as the sheer weakness and implied surrender came through. 'Peace in our time!' was the cry from another talkfest, while the actual victory was achieved through unrelenting demands for the peace we must have but enforced by soldiers.

We need less discussion and more action. We need to DEMAND that muslims and other immigrants who come to this country to stay embrace the culture or go home. I don't want to have to explain to anyone why beheading an aid worker or gang-raping a 9yo is wrong. If you don't know why that is wrong then we don't want you here.

Multi-culturalism is a global failure. At its very best it has two non-interacting cultures living in  a form of peace. At it's worse, it is machine-gunning music patrons.

Nobody moves to Muslim countries other than other muslims. The vast majority of their countries are a disaster and a wreck that no one wants to live in. So why would Muslims come here and repeat the same disastrous social, religious and culural paradigms that have wrecked their home?  But they do just that.  Maybe they just don't know how to be different. But we can help that by making it happen. Ban the Burqa. Insist on womens equality.  Want to protest against democracy and pro-sharia law? Send them to Iran where they can have their paradise.

Talk is cheap. Talk is weak. We want action. Decisive action because just as 'peace in our time' was an example of gullible stupidity, so is 'talking' to muslims. It is time to demand changes or get sent home.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:46pm: There is no harm in saying hello how are you. There is no danger in meeting people. There is danger in leaving with that person but there is no danger in saying hello. In relation to children approaching strange adults that is both an extremely naive and incredibly stupid outlook.

It's Mothra. Naive and stupid are here stock in trade.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

You are like me Mothra. I talk to all sorts of people when I'm out and about. You learn so much, it's amazing. I was invited to share a Filipino persons lunch today at the beach, all I did was smile at her, then she came over and invited me to her table......I only had one biscuit but she was so happy that an Aussie actually wanted to talk to her. Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant.

So what do you want a tissue ?

If you don't like it piss off.

mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:39pm:

It is nothing like that where i live. But then again, i'm not glaring at people.

I apologise, mothra. More correctly it's "Whadda YOU lookin' at, DICKHEAD?!"

(I don't glare at people, but I have on occasion been seen to turn around and have a second look at a nice pair of legs that has just past me ... ".

I'm having a lot of difficulty seeing what I'm typing here. I had laser penetration treatment in my good eye today - (the other's blind) - and the blood seeping out is clouding my vision. I take Aspirin daily as a blood thinner, so I'm what they call 'a bleeder' nowadays.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant.

What absolute bullshit.

Inter-ethnic racism is FAR more prevalent and nasty than Aussie to wog verbal *biffo*.

If I had leered at you at the beach, would you have invited me over for a kumbaya?

Of course not! There are no brownie points to be had for inviting a white, straight, Judaeo-Christian Anglo-Saxon over to you.

Why do you think the federal government had to ban ethnic football clubs?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant.

Aint that the truth!

Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:21pm:

Imagine only talking to white Australians however nice and educated they are, they are not Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Serbian or Russian.....get the pic?

;D ;D ;D

You are just soooo bloody patronising of these Poor Misunderstood Ethnics, aren't you?

You must relish that lovely inner-glow that comes with having stooped to their level to make them feel better about themselves ...

Am I right?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Am I right?

You are many things, Herbert.

'Right' is not, and has never been, one of them.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. What absolute bullshit.

All you have to do is read your own posts to see just how rife it is Herb

maybe you should wait until your eye stops bleeding. :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

All you have to do is read your own posts to see just how rife it is Herb maybe you should wait until your eye stops bleeding. :D :D :D

I was screwed by 'multicultural diversity' again today, John. Happens all the time.

I walked into one of these largish Medical Clinics and sat down in the waiting room where around a dozen people were sitting quietly awaiting their turn.

For the most part you could hear a pin drop. Lovely and relaxing. Some people reading magazines, some fiddling with their Smartphones, others just resting quietly, and some talking in library-quiet whispers.

And then the doors to the lift opened like Pandora's Box - and out stepped a couple of bona fide 'ethnics' ... and for the next 45 minutes the peace was shattered for all concerned.

A constant, never-ending, backwards-and-forwards, no pauses-or-breaks, stream of verbal diarrhoea issued from both of them until ... (and you're not going to believe this) ... I was driven to reach into my shirt pocket and bring out a 32RRP set of earplugs to save my sanity. I always carry a spare set around with me whenever I leave home.

There are certain immigrant ethnicities that 'run off the mouth' compulsively, obsessively, and seemingly in an excited tone of great urgency. 

You're safe this time, John - they weren't Italians.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:54pm: All you have to do is read your own posts to see just how rife it is Herb maybe you should wait until your eye stops bleeding. :D :D :D I was screwed by 'multicultural diversity' again today, John. Happens all the time. I walked into one of these largish Medical Clinics and sat down in the waiting room where around a dozen people were sitting quietly awaiting their turn. For the most part you could hear a pin drop. Lovely and relaxing. Some people reading magazines, some fiddling with their Smartphones, others just resting quietly, and some talking in library-quiet whispers. And then the doors to the lift opened like Pandora's Box - and out stepped a couple of bona fide 'ethnics' ... and for the next 45 minutes the peace was shattered for all concerned. A constant, never-ending, backwards-and-forwards, no pauses-or-breaks, stream of verbal diarrhoea issued from both of them until ... (and you're not going to believe this) ... I was driven to reach into my shirt pocket and bring out a 32RRP set of earplugs to save my sanity. I always carry a spare set around with me whenever I leave home. There are certain immigrant ethnicities that 'run off the mouth' compulsively, obsessively, and seemingly in an excited tone of great urgency.  You're safe this time, John - they weren't Italians.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pQYTSnNK--/dmlpokxddethm8ozsddl.jpg

Incidentally, John - I challenge you to go for a walk around Parramatta. Just take a stroll at any time of the day around some of the streets there.

You'll think you're in Downtown Beijing on a public holiday to celebrate Mao's birthday.

If Parramatta was Rome or Athens you people would be squealing like stuck pigs.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though.

Neither of you are non-white mmigrants, but you see fit to stereotype their responses to fictional questions.

Forgiven for having no awareness.

... wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Neither of you are non-white mmigrants.

How do you know that?

Because only whites are as pissweak as you.

Is that racist?

... wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Because only whites are as pissweak as you. Is that racist?

Extremely.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though.

Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist?

Oh well.  true though, ya white karnt.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:21pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 1:50pm: I am not sure why one would even want to talk to them in the first place. Er......talking to white Anglo Saxon Aussies gets boring.

Er maybe white Anglo Saxon Aussies find you boring and have nothing to say.


Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:21pm:

It's a big world out there, the more you talk to people from other nationalities and cultures, the more you learn about it....education is wonderful, yes?

Education is wonderful and yes it is a big world I fail to see what stating the obvious has to do with not talking to muslims.


Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:21pm:

Imagine only talking to white Australians however nice and educated they are, they are not Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Serbian or Russian.....get the pic?

Imagine white Australians not wanting to talk to you however stupid you come across but talk to everyone else Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Serbian or Russian..... but not muslims..

mitasol wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist?

You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is.

How embarrassing for you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you.

Muslims aren't a race, how embarrassing for you groggery.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you.

Muslims aren't a race, how embarrassing for you groggery.

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:54pm: mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you. Muslims aren't a race, how embarrassing for you groggery.

He didn't mention Muslims.

He said: "my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist?"

Based on that ridiculous question, I explained to him that he doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'racism'.

Would you like a towel to wipe that egg off your face?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:54pm: mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you. Muslims aren't a race, how embarrassing for you groggery. He didn't mention Muslims. He said: "my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist?" Based on that ridiculous question, I explained to him that he doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'racism'. Would you like a towel ?

No I am not a backward muslim.

How to talk to Muslims in a world of terrorism is the title of this thread.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you.

Not at all peccaboy, I have witnessed plenty of racism, most of it ethnic based in black communities.

Australians, especially the kumbayah singing crowd, have no idea what racism is.

At the end of long hot Australian summers when I used to do casual work in warehouse yards unloading containers, my distant Portuguese blood would have me looking like an Anglo-Indian from the upper reaches of the sacred river Ganges.

Apart from attracting the occasional admiring glances from Indian women - (and some of the more limp-wristed Indian men) - I never once copped a mouthful of racial abuse.

8-)

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:44pm: What's happening to this country - when did ignorant bigotry become the norm? It's been steadily increasing since 1788. Kinda sneaks up on one!

Good point Phem. We were so muych more open minded back then. Glad someone knows their history.


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I like your lofty aims Freediver however they treat us with deep suspicion and the feelings mutual.

So?


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This is one continental divide that can't be breached. To them we are Infidels, to us they are pagans who worship a brutal philosophy.

Apparently Gandalf is not in favour of killing gay people. These are the things you find out when you talk to Muslims. If we don't have the conversation with them, they won't know how to have it with each other.


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Like I say, your aims are sweet, however I fear unrealistic.

It was never my intention that everyone starts talking to Muslims. We would run out.

At the end of those long, hot Lahore Summers of my youth, I would emerge from the river, my skin glistening like diamonds in the afternoon sun. Bullock drivers, betel-chewing railway porters, public servants returning from lunch on their bicycles,  all would stop and stare as I emerged from the river Ravi clad in nothing but my long, black hair.

I would reach the bank, throw on a thin cotton kurta. and light a Peter Styvessant  blowing a plume of smoke towards the bridge - a thousand lonely men aching at the sight of my ripe wet body, my international passport to smoking pleasure.

I never suffered any racial abuse. Why? My life has always been devoted to giving and recieving pleasure. Yes, I would have many of those bullock drivers in the reeds of the river Ravi. Those men showed me the gentle ways of love.

And I would have gang after gang of railway porters, tucked up in the back of the Parcels shed in Lahore Siding. Those men taught me the ways of work, money and sweat, the ways of business and getting on.

I would have a few of those public servants too, one of whom would issue me with a brand new Pakistani passport. Another would put a stamp in that passport, the image of a crown with the words, "permitted to enter the United Kingdom and her territories".

I have always enjoyed entering new territories, and quite a few have enjoyed entering mine. But I shall always remember Lahore and its men, the city and the dreams of my youth.

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:43am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 2:44pm: What's happening to this country - when did ignorant bigotry become the norm? It's been steadily increasing since 1788. Kinda sneaks up on one! Good point Phem. We were so muych more open minded back then. Glad someone knows their history. Quote: I like your lofty aims Freediver however they treat us with deep suspicion and the feelings mutual. So? [quote]This is one continental divide that can't be breached. To them we are Infidels, to us they are pagans who worship a brutal philosophy.

Apparently Gandalf is not in favour of killing gay people. These are the things you find out when you talk to Muslims. If we don't have the conversation with them, they won't know how to have it with each other.


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Like I say, your aims are sweet, however I fear unrealistic.

It was never my intention that everyone starts talking to Muslims. We would run out.[/quote]

We still don’t know whether Gandalf is in favour of killing GLBTI people, FD, both the giver and the taker.

He hasn’t come clean on that one yet.

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

I used to go out in Sydney all the time. usually by train from the Gong. I found most people were pretty good. After all, the whole reason to go out is to meet people and socialise. :D :D :D

"Used to" being the key words.  How long ago was this?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:22pm:

If I had leered at you at the beach, would you have invited me over for a kumbaya? Of course not! There are no brownie points to be had for inviting a white, straight, Judaeo-Christian Anglo-Saxon over to you.

Of course not.  Pansi doesn't like Anglos    ::)

Extremely racist of her too.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you.

Well, you are brown and you float - how embarrassing that must be.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

... wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:40pm: Because only whites are as pissweak as you. Is that racist? Extremely.

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Black Orchid wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:22pm: If I had leered at you at the beach, would you have invited me over for a kumbaya? Of course not! There are no brownie points to be had for inviting a white, straight, Judaeo-Christian Anglo-Saxon over to you. Of course not.  Pansi doesn't like Anglos    ::) Extremely racist of her too.

Disgusting. Morally reprehensible.

There should be Anti-Racism Police patrolling the beaches looking for just such patronising discriminators as Pansi who wouldn't dream of responding positively to a lustful wink from me at the beach as I'm stretched out on a towel wearing my salami smugglers.

But a little bit of Spray Tan and who knows where Pansi and I might end up ...

In a motel room right next door to karnal getting a reaming from some ENOOORMOUS American Negro sailor who hasn't told him he has AIDs ...

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:54pm: mitasol wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 4:27pm: Racism is rife in the land of Oz. Ask any non-white immigrant. Aint that the truth! Watch all the racists come out and call bullshit, though. Ahhh the lefty troll, love it. Now answer me this one mr peccahead, my wife is an immigrant, I call her black, well brown really, she calls me white - which one of us is racist? You have clearly demonstrated that you don't even know what racism is. How embarrassing for you. Well, you are brown and you float - how embarrassing that must be.

Tanned, is he?

You're red, old chap. If we could get you into the pool, you'd float too.

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:41am:

At the end of those long, hot Lahore Summers of my youth, I would emerge from the river, my skin glistening like diamonds in the afternoon sun. Bullock drivers, betel-chewing railway porters, public servants returning from lunch on their bicycles,  all would stop and stare as I emerged from the river Ravi clad in nothing but my long, black hair. I would reach the bank, throw on a thin cotton kurta. and light a Peter Styvessant  blowing a plume of smoke towards the bridge - a thousand lonely men aching at the sight of my ripe wet body, my international passport to smoking pleasure. I never suffered any racial abuse. Why? My life has always been devoted to giving and recieving pleasure. Yes, I would have many of those bullock drivers in the reeds of the river Ravi. Those men showed me the gentle ways of love. And I would have gang after gang of railway porters, tucked up in the back of the Parcels shed in Lahore Siding. Those men taught me the ways of work, money and sweat, the ways of business and getting on. I would have a few of those public servants too, one of whom would issue me with a brand new Pakistani passport. Another would put a stamp in that passport, the image of a crown with the words, "permitted to enter the United Kingdom and her territories". I have always enjoyed entering new territories, and quite a few have enjoyed entering mine. But I shall always remember Lahore and its men, the city and the dreams of my youth.

so, how do you propose to talk to 'deathcultists' ?

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:32pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 12:28pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:22pm: If I had leered at you at the beach, would you have invited me over for a kumbaya? Of course not! There are no brownie points to be had for inviting a white, straight, Judaeo-Christian Anglo-Saxon over to you. Of course not.  Pansi doesn't like Anglos    ::) Extremely racist of her too. Disgusting. Morally reprehensible. There should be Anti-Racism Police patrolling the beaches looking for just such patronising discriminators as Pansi who wouldn't dream of responding positively to a lustful wink from me at the beach as I'm stretched out on a towel wearing my salami smugglers. But a little bit of Spray Tan and who knows where Pansi and I might end up ... In a motel room right next door to karnal getting a reaming from some ENOOORMOUS American Negro sailor who hasn't told him he has AIDs ...

Those sailors gave me Southern whiskey and introduced me to jazz. One had played drums for Chet Baker. He certainly had rhythm. After London and Paris, I was bound for New York, the Statue of Liberty singing like a siren on the banks of the Hudson River.

There, I would have many more amorous adventures, but that's the subject of the next chapter.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:50pm:

so, how do you propose to talk to 'deathcultists' ?

I talk to Muslims when I can, they are lovely people, so friendly, they'd give you the shirt off their back.

I hope I never come face to face with a death cultist....that would be ISIS, wouldn't it?

If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:58pm:

I talk to Muslims when I can, they are lovely people, so friendly, they'd give you the shirt off their back.

They'd give you the suicide-pack off their backs too if you asked them very nicely.

Black Orchid wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:28pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 5:22pm: If I had leered at you at the beach, would you have invited me over for a kumbaya? Of course not! There are no brownie points to be had for inviting a white, straight, Judaeo-Christian Anglo-Saxon over to you. Of course not.  Pansi doesn't like Anglos    ::) Extremely racist of her too.

I do, I like people, all sorts of people, even white gays and gay Jews and the Greens and Albinos and pinkies....whites are not really white, are they? I call them pinkies, even though some are deeply tanned, they're browner than people from the Mediterranean.

Anyway, what's in a colour? I classify people, not by colour but by their individual conscience/consciousness.

People are people are people, I don't care what language they speak, what colour they are, what country they come from or what they wear, they are all human.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm: I talk to Muslims when I can, they are lovely people, so friendly, they'd give you the shirt off their back. They'd give you the suicide-pack off their backs too if you asked them very nicely.

She was talking about Muslims, not terrorists.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:05pm:

If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think.

I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:12pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash.

How many people have died in plane crashes this month?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:58pm:

I talk to Muslims when I can, they are lovely people, so friendly, they'd give you the shirt off their back. I hope I never come face to face with a death cultist....that would be ISIS, wouldn't it?

I think there are Muslims and then there are other Muslims. I have worked with people who are Muslims. All were just your usual Aussies (or migrants, trying to fit in). The females didn't wear head coverings and the males ended up (after being teased) having a HAMburger for lunch and a beer.  ;D  They still attended "prayers" and we used to joke about which direction Mecca was ... I certainly cannot see any of those people donning a vest to bomb anybody.

I worked with Jews too who had to leave work early on Fridays, while the rest of us slogged on.  :D

I have also worked with Christians and some of them were the biggest liars and cheats of the ATO that you could ever meet. :P

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 2:58pm: I talk to Muslims when I can, they are lovely people, so friendly, they'd give you the shirt off their back. They'd give you the suicide-pack off their backs too if you asked them very nicely.

That would be the ISIS terrorists and I certainly would not be talking to them.

If there's a training drill, I will be getting the hell away from there.

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:14pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. How many people have died in plane crashes this month?

I'm not keeping a tally. Significant plane crashes or bombed plane about 324 then there's all the two man and solo crashes.

No idea.

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:14pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. How many people have died in plane crashes this month?

50

And 245 last month.

Why do you ask?

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50 And 245 last month. Why do you ask?

You having your finger on the statistics saves Freediver time and money? ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:23pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:14pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. How many people have died in plane crashes this month? 50 And 245 last month. Why do you ask?

Does that include the one in Qld last week?

I think freediver is trying to say more people were killed by ISIS or terrorists than by plane crashes.

I'd say how many Australians were killed by terrorists and plane crashes this month.

Or how many Queenslander's.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:05pm:

If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think.

The end of the world is nigh.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:33pm:

I think freediver is trying to say more people were killed by ISIS or terrorists than by plane crashes. I'd say how many Australians were killed by terrorists and plane crashes this month. Or how many Queenslander's.

Why is that the only bullshit you can come up with ?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:23pm: freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:14pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. How many people have died in plane crashes this month? 50 And 245 last month. Why do you ask? Does that include the one in Qld last week?

No. Didn't hear about that one.

One in Ohio, and one in South Sudan.

I'm still curious as to why FD wanted to know the stats, though.

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:34pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. The end of the world is nigh.

I suppose a lot of people would like to die whilst they're banging.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:33pm:

I think freediver is trying to say more people were killed by ISIS or terrorists than by plane crashes. I'd say how many Australians were killed by terrorists and plane crashes this month. Or how many Queenslander's.

The number of Queenslanders is irrelevant. WE are ALL AUSTRALIANS, surely. What State you happen to live in doesn't matter. Does it?

On the other hand ... How Many MURDERS have there been in Queensland in the last year?  I think you are coming first (then Victoria).  ;D

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:34pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. The end of the world is nigh. I suppose a lot of people would like to die whilst they're banging.

If it is rocking, do not bother knocking.

Isn't it.

Neferti wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:21pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:33pm: I think freediver is trying to say more people were killed by ISIS or terrorists than by plane crashes. I'd say how many Australians were killed by terrorists and plane crashes this month. Or how many Queenslander's. The number of Queenslanders is irrelevant. WE are ALL AUSTRALIANS, surely.

Ah my friend, we are all PEOPLE, shurely.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:12pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash.

You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident.

And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident.

Completely irrelevant, as usual.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this.

Colateral damage is an accident too, dear.

Carpetbomb them.

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them.

Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them. Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers

Which ones, Matty? I'm curious.

On the other hand, voices are growing louder in certain quarters that the West should withdraw all of its military presence in the Middle East, and let those warring parties sort it out amongst themselves.

And furthermore, the entire extended families of 'home-grown' terrorists should be summarily deported. Nothing other than this dire prospect would give pause to a young fellow contemplating jihad against the West or against innocent parties in the Middle East.

**

On another matter - how big is Raqqa? It's been bombed and missiled enough to flatten the size of New York into a giant car park, and yet apparently there are still buildings standing, and there are still hordes of ISIS personnel living in the city.

Something is not quite adding up here. 

 

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:19pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:11pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them. Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers Which ones, Matty? I'm curious.

All of them. But only AFTER troops are stationed on the borders.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this.

I don't give a toss.

Like I said, I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. I don't give a toss. Like I said, I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS.

Fingers crossed.

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:19pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:11pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them. Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers Which ones, Matty? I'm curious.

As long as they are all musseys no one cares.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. I don't give a toss. Like I said, I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS.

Wouldnt you prefer that there was NO chance of being killed by ISIS? Isn't that a better outcome?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:49pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. I don't give a toss. Like I said, I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS. Wouldnt you prefer that there was NO chance of being killed by ISIS? Isn't that a better outcome?

Ridiculous question, as usual.

Of course she would prefer that there was NO chance.

However, that does nothing to change the fact that we have more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:49pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. I don't give a toss. Like I said, I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS. Wouldnt you prefer that there was NO chance of being killed by ISIS? Isn't that a better outcome?

Sweet maria, reading a thread is like reading a book. You start at the beginning and read through page by page.......only then do you get the story in context.

See I was answering Bogey who said if I keep congregating with large groups I might become a victim of ISIS.



............then I said da da da da da

I have more chance of dying in a plane crash, yes?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:19pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:11pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them. Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers Which ones, Matty? I'm curious. All of them. But only AFTER troops are stationed on the borders.

Muslims? I say.

Shouldn't we be starting with the 200 million in Indonesia? Once we've finished them off, we can move up.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:52pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:49pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. I don't give a toss. Like I said, I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS. Wouldnt you prefer that there was NO chance of being killed by ISIS? Isn't that a better outcome? Ridiculous question, as usual. Of course she would prefer that there was NO chance. However, that does nothing to change the fact that we have more chance of dying in a plane crash than by ISIS.

Are you so sure of that?  What is ISIS's death toll this year.  500-1000?  How many people died in plane accidents? I think you will find that ISIS is more dangerous than flying.

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:32pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:19pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:11pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them. Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers Which ones, Matty? I'm curious. All of them. But only AFTER troops are stationed on the borders. Muslims? I say. Shouldn't we be starting with the 200 million in Indonesia? Once we've finished them off, we can move up.

I'd start with Pakistan. We would remove 90% of the worlds predators and paedophiles that way as well.

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Shouldn't we be starting with the 200 million in Indonesia?

Yeah that might give the West Papuans a reprieve from 53 years of genocide.

The other upside is we relieve the area of a bunch of corrupt trigger happy little brown foreign aid money sucking parasitic bastards with small mans syndrome.

I'd say that's a plus.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:17pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:32pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:19pm: wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 5:11pm: Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:42pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:12pm: bogarde73 wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 3:05pm: If you keep congregating with large groups in the street and banging your tambourine, it might happen sooner than you think. I've got more chance of dying in a plane crash. You think that is some kind of significant improvement? Plane crashes are largely accidents - which typically cannot be easily avoided. Terrorism is not an accident. And there is absolutely not a chance you understand this. Colateral damage is an accident too, dear. Carpetbomb them. Agreed Carpet bomb theFeckers Which ones, Matty? I'm curious. All of them. But only AFTER troops are stationed on the borders. Muslims? I say. Shouldn't we be starting with the 200 million in Indonesia? Once we've finished them off, we can move up. I'd start with Pakistan. We would remove 90% of the worlds predators and paedophiles that way as well.

Are you saying we should invade a country with 182 million people, dear?

Good point, dear. We'll start on the Pakis and take on Indonesia later, eh?