Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm???

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656


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Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun.

The fact we do not have semi - automatic weapons (fixed) freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own semi -automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!!

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Mekong Club.. Cabramatta.... any Friday or Saturday Night..... $100 will buy you a Saturday Night Special...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:39am:

Mekong Club.. Cabramatta.... any Friday or Saturday Night..... $100 will buy you a Saturday Night Special...

Yeah Grap and having automatic weapons freely available will not result is any mass killings....Tell that to the people in Paris!!!

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Don't you love d1ckheads who speak without using evidence.  I thought better of leyonhjm but obviously he is as deranged as the likes of tony Abbott.

I remember the Liberal Democratic Party

Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:36am:

Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

We haven't had Automatic weapons available to the public since the 30s, when they were banned by every state in Australia.

There were no automatic weapons at port arthur

I think your hysteria has caused a technical glitch in not being able to tell the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi automatic weapon, it happens with anti gun hysterics.

So calm your tits, it is just someone expressing an opinion, not quite illegal in this country yet.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:36am:

Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

He really is an idiot. When was the last time we had a massacre? Oh yeah - Port Arthur. The laws introduced by Howard have clearly worked. That there is still gun crime in Australia is due simply to the fact that ALL guns have not been banned.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] He really is an idiot. When was the last time we had a massacre? Oh yeah - Port Arthur. The laws introduced by Howard have clearly worked. That there is still gun crime in Australia is due simply to the fact that ALL guns have not been banned.

This guy has no business even being in parliament.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:12am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] We haven't had Automatic weapons available to the public since the 30s, when they were banned by every state in Australia. There were no automatic weapons at port arthur I think your hysteria has caused a technical glitch in not being able to tell the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi automatic weapon, it happens with anti gun hysterics. So calm your tits, it is just someone expressing an opinion, not quite illegal in this country yet.

Does it matter what I called a weapon the can kill masses of people....So calm your tits mate because I am also entitled to my opinion....Leyonhjelm has slagged off at the majority of Australian's by calling us victims, which insinuates we are weak in his closed mind....Even having semi automatic weapons would result in another massacre if some of the froot loops we have seen commit gun crimes had access to these weapons....Good on John Howard for having the balls to stand up to people like you!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:36am:

Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm???

If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:30am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead.

His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:44am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:39am: Mekong Club.. Cabramatta.... any Friday or Saturday Night..... $100 will buy you a Saturday Night Special... Yeah Grap and having automatic weapons freely available will not result is any mass killings....Tell that to the people in Paris!!! ::) ::) ::)

The Paris massacre was carried out with illegal weapons that no amount of gun control would have prevented, unless somehow you can get the ISIS state to implement gun control too, I will acknowledge though that Howards gun laws have definitely prevented massacres by lone mental patients that have no ability to source weapons illegally.   

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:44am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:39am: Mekong Club.. Cabramatta.... any Friday or Saturday Night..... $100 will buy you a Saturday Night Special... Yeah Grap and having automatic weapons freely available will not result is any mass killings....Tell that to the people in Paris!!! ::) ::) ::) The Paris massacre was carried out with illegal weapons that no amount of gun control would have prevented, unless somehow you can get the ISIS state to implement gun control too, I will acknowledge though that Howards gun laws have definitely prevented massacres by lone mental patients that have no ability to source weapons illegally.

No gun control will ever be perfect. That doesn't mean you don't try. NO SAFETY measures we implement in any area of our society will be perfect but again, that is no reason for dumping them.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards.

Well, you're half-correct.

Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:36am:

Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot.... We are a nation of victims, we cannot own guns/knives/pepper sprays/mace or even tasars for self defence. When seconds count the Police are 10-15 minutes away The lefties say we should not judge all muslims by the terrorists who shoot innocent strangers yet they judge all firearm owners by the madman who did Pt Arthur, Bryant never held a firearm licence yet that doesn't stop hoplophobic bigots from using fear from Pt Arthur to demonise all law abiding firearm owners. Automatic weapons have never been freely available in Australia that doesn't stop the hoplophobic idiots from telling lies. Criminals still have access to automatic weapons, this Thompson machine gun has never been available in Australia and they have been registered in the USA since the days of al Capone, where did this one come from it could not have been stolen from a liensed firearm owners in Australia. [quote] A sub machine gun has been seized from man carrying the weapon in a bag in Sydney's inner west. He was carrying a bag which police searched and allegedly found a Thompson brand fully automatic sub machine gun. www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-19/man-caught-carrying-thompson-sub-machine-gun-in-marrickville/6953370

Maqqa wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:22am:

I remember the Liberal Democratic Party Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community

Are you saying Liberals voters are idiots who cannot read voting forms and accidently voted for the wrong party?

David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer.
He is well known in country areas for his Agribuzz column in The land.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:22am: I remember the Liberal Democratic Party Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community Are you saying Liberals voters are idiots who cannot read voting forms and accidently voted for the wrong party? David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer. He is well known in country areas for his Agribuzz column in The land.

Sounds very successful, no wonder the worlds biggest loser Kat hates him  ;D

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:22am: I remember the Liberal Democratic Party Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community Are you saying Liberals voters are idiots who cannot read voting forms and accidently voted for the wrong party? David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer. He is well known in country areas for his Agribuzz column in The land. Sounds very successful, no wonder the worlds biggest loser Kat hates him  ;D

Get back to the peanut-gallery.

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:26am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:22am: I remember the Liberal Democratic Party Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community Are you saying Liberals voters are idiots who cannot read voting forms and accidently voted for the wrong party? David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer. He is well known in country areas for his Agribuzz column in The land. Sounds very successful, no wonder the worlds biggest loser Kat hates him  ;D

The Liberals say those who have been subjected to an AVO cannot have a firearm License for 5 years.

The Carr government changed it to 10 years disqualification for AVO with firearm licence.

The Greens say those who have been subjected to an AVO should wait 5 years.

David Leyonhjelm says those who have been subjected to an AVO should never have a firearm license.

I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license.

Leyonhjelm has probably forgotten more than what the dopey leftists in this forum know.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot.... We are a nation of victims, we cannot own guns/knives/pepper sprays/mace or even tasars for self defence. When seconds count the Police are 10-15 minutes away The lefties say we should not judge all muslims by the terrorists who shoot innocent strangers yet they judge all firearm owners by the madman who did Pt Arthur, Bryant never held a firearm licence yet that doesn't stop hoplophobic bigots from using fear from Pt Arthur to demonise all law abiding firearm owners. Automatic weapons have never been freely available in Australia that doesn't stop the hoplophobic idiots from telling lies. Criminals still have access to automatic weapons, this Thompson machine gun has never been available in Australia and they have been registered in the USA since the days of al Capone, where did this one come from it could not have been stolen from a liensed firearm owners in Australia. [quote] A sub machine gun has been seized from man carrying the weapon in a bag in Sydney's inner west. He was carrying a bag which police searched and allegedly found a Thompson brand fully automatic sub machine gun. www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-19/man-caught-carrying-thompson-sub-machine-gun-in-marrickville/6953370

Any of the gun grabbing hoplophobes want to comment on how this illegal full auto machine gun came to be in Australia?

Kat wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:56am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards. Well, you're half-correct. Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable.

Sure, if you're a nutter.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes.

From memory Leyonhjelm was elected through voter ignorance, and Muir was elected through a tangled octopus of preference flows.  To be honest, even though I disagree with a fair few of the things they both stand for, I still prefer them over the standard Labor and Liberal clones of each other.


Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:23am:

David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer.

Nobody is arguing he isn't successful before politics.  Generally they argue that he is a libertarian twit.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:31am:

He really is an idiot. When was the last time we had a massacre? Oh yeah - Port Arthur. The laws introduced by Howard have clearly worked. That there is still gun crime in Australia is due simply to the fact that ALL guns have not been banned.

The Childers backpacker fire and the Quakers hill fires had more innocent people killed than our second worst mass shooting which was done with a single shot bolt action .22
Lockhart and Monash were mass shootings the hoplophobes tend to pretend never happened

Here is NSW police Minister Troy Grant saying greater than 97% of all gun crime in NSW is done with illegal unregistered firearms, he said guns bought over the counter at gun shops are not the problem.
He also calls out the greens for their fear campaign against licensed firearm owners and asks him to be honest, he is calling Shoebridge a liar..
He starts at 1 min 10 sec-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXLxKX8RgQ

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:31am: He really is an idiot. When was the last time we had a massacre? Oh yeah - Port Arthur. The laws introduced by Howard have clearly worked. That there is still gun crime in Australia is due simply to the fact that ALL guns have not been banned. The Childers backpacker fire and the Quakers hill fires had more innocent people killed than our second worst mass shooting which was done with a single shot bolt action .22 Lockhart and Monash were mass shootings the hoplophobes tend to pretend never happened Here is NSW police Minister Troy Grant saying greater than 97% of all gun crime in NSW is done with illegal unregistered firearms, he said guns bought over the counter at gun shops are not the problem. He also calls out the greens for their fear campaign against licensed firearm owners and asks him to be honest, he is calling Shoebridge a liar.. He starts at 1 min 10 sec- www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXLxKX8RgQ

Unless you're a farm owner, you don't need a gun. Simple as that.

Kat wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:56am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards. Well, you're half-correct. Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable.

Of course he is reasonable to you!  He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together. He is like you minus the pathological anger!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:55am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:31am: He really is an idiot. When was the last time we had a massacre? Oh yeah - Port Arthur. The laws introduced by Howard have clearly worked. That there is still gun crime in Australia is due simply to the fact that ALL guns have not been banned. The Childers backpacker fire and the Quakers hill fires had more innocent people killed than our second worst mass shooting which was done with a single shot bolt action .22 Lockhart and Monash were mass shootings the hoplophobes tend to pretend never happened Here is NSW police Minister Troy Grant saying greater than 97% of all gun crime in NSW is done with illegal unregistered firearms, he said guns bought over the counter at gun shops are not the problem. He also calls out the greens for their fear campaign against licensed firearm owners and asks him to be honest, he is calling Shoebridge a liar.. He starts at 1 min 10 sec- www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXLxKX8RgQ Unless you're a farm owner, you don't need a gun. Simple as that.

What about Olympic target shooters, Aussies have won many Gold medals at the Olympics do you want to stop our Olympians from competing?

Mexico has banned guns, their firearm homicide rate is three times higher than the USA, you could move to Mexico if you want strong gun laws.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:43am:

Kat wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:19am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:56am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards. Well, you're half-correct. Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable. Sure, if you're a nutter.

He's several times opposed filthy policies of the LNP.

So on that basis alone, he's worth his seat.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

He is long-term unemployed,

This is wrong.  He had to quit his job at a sawmill before he came to parliament.  He mentioned he has been on welfare in the past, but I don't think that should be held against him.


mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

and can scarcely string a sentence together.

He's come a long way since his first bumbling interview.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

Kat wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:19am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:56am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards. Well, you're half-correct. Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable. Of course he is reasonable to you!  He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together. He is like you minus the pathological anger!

And you are a fool.

Tus nature balances...

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:34am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:26am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:22am: I remember the Liberal Democratic Party Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community Are you saying Liberals voters are idiots who cannot read voting forms and accidently voted for the wrong party? David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer. He is well known in country areas for his Agribuzz column in The land. Sounds very successful, no wonder the worlds biggest loser Kat hates him  ;D The Liberals say those who have been subjected to an AVO cannot have a firearm License for 5 years. The Carr government changed it to 10 years disqualification for AVO with firearm licence. The Greens say those who have been subjected to an AVO should wait 5 years. David Leyonhjelm says those who have been subjected to an AVO should never have a firearm license. I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Leyonhjelm has probably forgotten more than what the dopey leftists in this forum know.

Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together

you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D

Kat wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:43am: Kat wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:19am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:56am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards. Well, you're half-correct. Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable. Sure, if you're a nutter. He's several times opposed filthy policies of the LNP. So on that basis alone, he's worth his seat.

Huh, so THAT'S how low you set the bar for getting your vote, eh?

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D

Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia.


He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, This is wrong.  He had to quit his job at a sawmill before he came to parliament.  He mentioned he has been on welfare in the past, but I don't think that should be held against him. mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: and can scarcely string a sentence together. He's come a long way since his first bumbling interview.

Not exactly a powerful statement. He still is rarely interviewed because he has so little of intelligence to say. His votes can be swayed quite easily because he understands so little.

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:26am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23am: Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:22am: I remember the Liberal Democratic Party Lots of voters mistook them for the Liberal Party - we lost a few votes to them in the ethnic community Are you saying Liberals voters are idiots who cannot read voting forms and accidently voted for the wrong party? David leyonhjelm is a Veterinary surgen, a lawyer, has a masters in business administration and is a farmer. He is well known in country areas for his Agribuzz column in The land. Sounds very successful, no wonder the worlds biggest loser Kat hates him  ;D The Liberals say those who have been subjected to an AVO cannot have a firearm License for 5 years. The Carr government changed it to 10 years disqualification for AVO with firearm licence. The Greens say those who have been subjected to an AVO should wait 5 years. David Leyonhjelm says those who have been subjected to an AVO should never have a firearm license. I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Leyonhjelm has probably forgotten more than what the dopey leftists in this forum know. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus.

As long as there is an actual appeal process, I'd be happy with that.  One incident does not a character make - especially if it never actually happened!

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: .....I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus.

You probably won't find any stats to back that up, but you are probably way more right than wrong.  :(

In domestic disputes, usually preceding divorce proceedings, I know for a fact that it's common practice for lawyers to......ahhhhem......instruct their client to egg their partner on until any minor violent act can be so blown out of proportion that an AVO can be easily gotten, & if the partner doesn't accommodate with violent behavior, the complaining party is drilled in the art of deception (lying) so that any Judge would be so moved to tears they would gladly provide the complainant with whatever relief they sought.

For that, a honest, law abiding citizen  --  who's one big mistake in life was not picking the right partner  --   can easily lose their firearm license, never get one, or have their firearms confiscated, all due to a contrived set of events.

That said, IMHO, many more AVOs than not, are for valid reasons, & the violent party gets what they deserve.

As long as the standard for handing out 'avo's is simply that the complainant 'feels' something and there is thus zero standard of proof - a (lack of) standard deliberately set up by government so as to afford itself the 'right' to confiscate private property, i.e firearms, and give to itself the right to attack, without proper cause, that segment of the community most likely to shuffle off bad government - these can never be a valid reason for any sanction by a court or by regulation in any way, let alone the justification for violent intervention by the instruments of the State into a private life.

No government may arrogate unto itself any right or privilege of action against its own people without proper reason and, in our society, proper proof based on actual events.

These 'laws' have always been an end-run around democracy and Law itself, and are themselves an abuse pure and simple.

There endeth the lesson.. and that lesson is in these 'laws' being themselves the spearpoint of tyranny.

Panther wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:09am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:14am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: .....I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus. You probably won't find any stats to back that up, but you are probably way more right than wrong.  :( I know for a fact that it's common practice for lawyers

Long training as a scientist has led me to the conclusion that when someone says they know for afact, it usually means they are pulling it out of the descending colon.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

Panther wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:09am: innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:14am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: .....I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus. You probably won't find any stats to back that up, but you are probably way more right than wrong.  :( I know for a fact that it's common practice for lawyers Long training as a scientist has led me to the conclusion that when someone says they know for afact, it usually means they are pulling it out of the descending colon.

Long training as a right wing conservative has taught me that the left couldn't care less how many AVO's are false as long as its another spanner thrown in to societies works.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Kat wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:07am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:43am: Kat wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:19am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:56am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:30am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? If it's any consolation, almost nobody thought they were.  I believe he was put first on the ballot paper and a lot of Liberal voters voted for them instead. His election was as big a travesty as Ricky Muir who also, received almost no votes. And both of them are first-class retards. Well, you're half-correct. Leyonhjelm is a nutter, but Muir seems quite reasonable. Sure, if you're a nutter. He's several times opposed filthy policies of the LNP. So on that basis alone, he's worth his seat. Huh, so THAT'S how low you set the bar for getting your vote, eh?

I place a high priority on stopping the bad policies of tis execrable 'government'.

So yes, I support those in power who do likewise.

And he doesn't actually 'get my vote', unfortunately - his electorate is no-where near mine.

We're stuck with the terminally-useless Angus Taylor.

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:18am: Panther wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:09am: innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:14am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: .....I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus. You probably won't find any stats to back that up, but you are probably way more right than wrong.  :( I know for a fact that it's common practice for lawyers Long training as a scientist has led me to the conclusion that when someone says they know for afact, it usually means they are pulling it out of the descending colon. Long training as a right wing conservative has taught me that the left couldn't care less how many AVO's are false as long as its another spanner thrown in to societies works.

Really, I care about false accusations as much as the next person.

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:18am: Panther wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:09am: innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:14am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: .....I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus. You probably won't find any stats to back that up, but you are probably way more right than wrong.  :( I know for a fact that it's common practice for lawyers Long training as a scientist has led me to the conclusion that when someone says they know for afact, it usually means they are pulling it out of the descending colon. Long training as a right wing conservative has taught me that the left couldn't care less how many AVO's are false as long as its another spanner thrown in to societies works.

You really do get more foolish by the day.

What an utterly inane comment.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

Panther wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:09am: innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:14am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:34am: .....I agree with Leyonhjelm, those who are stupid enough to have an AVO taken out against them should never have a firearms license. Unfortunately a lot of AVO's are bogus. You probably won't find any stats to back that up, but you are probably way more right than wrong.  :( I know for a fact that it's common practice for lawyers Long training as a scientist has led me to the conclusion that when someone says they know for afact, it usually means they are pulling it out of the descending colon.

https://imgur.com/gFEh6FX.png



A scientist that takes a drunken, pill poppin', cocaine snortin', crack smokin' talkin' horse as his namesake is a scientist who's personal theories aren't worth 2 cents.

But hey, that should never stop you from having your own personal opinions.........never know, you might (though doubtful) have a moment or two of lucidity from time to time  --  could even shock yourself into a temporary mental sobriety!  ;D

http://imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg     http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Not exactly a powerful statement.

Wasn't trying to be, but just pointing out there is a substantial improvement. 

Do you still maintain that you think he was "long term unemployed"?  Or do you now realise that is incorrect

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood.

I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work



Found it

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html


:D :D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood.

And that'd be two more skills than you.

The fact that he may, at some time, have been unemployed, is utterly irrelevant.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:26am:

Even having semi automatic weapons would result in another massacre if some of the froot loops we have seen commit gun crimes had access to these weapons....Good on John Howard for having the balls to stand up to people like you!!!

In 1995 we had a grand total of one death from semi auto rifles, semi auto rifles caused the least amount of deaths in Australia before they were restricted according to the Australian Institute of Criminology

New Zealand has had no mass shootings since 1996 despite allowing semi autos with silencers for recreational hunters.
If semi autos are the problem why has NZ had no mass shootings with them since 1996

Queensland broke the 1996 NFA and allows farmers and landowners to have semi auto centrefire, no mass shottings done with semi autos in Qld since they gave them back.

You are a typical hypocrite hoplophobe in using fear to demonise all law abiding firearm owners because of the actions of a madman who never held a firearms licence.
Hoplophobes like you say we should not judge all muslims by the terrorists yet you judge all firearm owners by a madman at Pt Arthur.
The leftists say it's ok to use fear to demonise law abiding firearm owners but not ok to use fear to promote any other agenda.

Hoplophobes should seek psychiatric help for their irrational fear of guns.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

allowing semi autos with silencers

You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:23am: allowing semi autos with silencers You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious.

But thats what they do in the movies Stratos  ;)

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:37am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:23am: allowing semi autos with silencers You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious. But thats what they do in the movies Stratos  ;)

If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about.

A sound moderator for a .223/.308 will reduce Db levels by around 28-31Db, you cannot silence the supersonic crack when the projectile breaks the sound barrier.

A sound moderator will add about 8-10 inches to the length of a rifle, making them harder to conceal.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:38am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:37am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:23am: allowing semi autos with silencers You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious. But thats what they do in the movies Stratos  ;) If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. A sound moderator for a .223/.308 will reduce Db levels by around 28-31Db, you cannot silence the supersonic crack when the projectile breaks the sound barrier. A sound moderator will add about 8-10 inches to the length of a rifle, making them harder to conceal.

I was under the impression that a moderator only reduces the effect of exhaust gas from the cartridge. If the bullet reaches supersonic speed you still hear that. Instead subsonic ammunition is used


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor#Subsonic_ammunition

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about.

Calling them silencers is dumb and wrong.  Nothing silent about it.  I fully support gun control of the weapons you seem to want access to, and also support sound suppressors, because why would i want those that need to use guns to suffer hearing loss?

Two completely different matters.

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood. I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work Found it http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html :D :D :D :D

Pretty sure if he was working at the time, his employer would understand if he had a meeting with the PM.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:38am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:37am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:23am: allowing semi autos with silencers You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious. But thats what they do in the movies Stratos  ;) If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. A sound moderator for a .223/.308 will reduce Db levels by around 28-31Db, you cannot silence the supersonic crack when the projectile breaks the sound barrier. A sound moderator will add about 8-10 inches to the length of a rifle, making them harder to conceal. I was under the impression that a moderator only reduces the effect of exhaust gas from the cartridge. If the bullet reaches supersonic speed you still hear that. Instead subsonic ammunition is used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor#Subsonic_ammunition

Subsonic ammo loses heaps of energy.

Kinetic energy is Mass times Velocity Squared over 2 or MV^2/2

Since velocity is squared any reduction in velocity has a huge impact in reducing kinetic energy of the projectile.

My .243w shoots 58 gr projectiles at 3900 Feet per second, to make it subsonic I have to reduce projectile velocity to below 1280 Feet per second.

A semi auto centrefire will be a single shot gun with subsonic ammo  not enough gas pressure to cycle another round.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. Calling them silencers is dumb and wrong.  Nothing silent about it.  I fully support gun control of the weapons you seem to want access to, and also support sound suppressors, because why would i want those that need to use guns to suffer hearing loss?

In New Zealand they have strong regulations on who can own guns instead of what type they can have.
I think the NZ model is superior to our laws, they have had no mass shootings.

Our second worst mass shooting was done with a single shot bolt action .22, if you can trust someone with a single shot .22 then you can trust them with just about anything.

I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs.

I think farmers should be allowed to have a pistol as well, it's not easy carrying a rifle on a motorbike/quad bike or horse, they should be allowed a pistol with similar restrictions to their Cat C semi auto rimfire can only be used on nominated property.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:50am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:38am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:37am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:23am: allowing semi autos with silencers You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious. But thats what they do in the movies Stratos  ;) If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. A sound moderator for a .223/.308 will reduce Db levels by around 28-31Db, you cannot silence the supersonic crack when the projectile breaks the sound barrier. A sound moderator will add about 8-10 inches to the length of a rifle, making them harder to conceal. I was under the impression that a moderator only reduces the effect of exhaust gas from the cartridge. If the bullet reaches supersonic speed you still hear that. Instead subsonic ammunition is used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor#Subsonic_ammunition Subsonic ammo loses heaps of energy. Kinetic energy is Mass times Velocity Squared over 2 or MV^2/2 Since velocity is squared any reduction in velocity has a huge impact in reducing kinetic energy of the projectile. My .243w shoots 58 gr projectiles at 3900 Feet per second, to make it subsonic I have to reduce projectile velocity to below 1280 Feet per second. A semi auto centrefire will be a single shot gun with subsonic ammo  not enough gas pressure to cycle another round.

Yes but whats the point in suppressing the sound of the shot, if the bullet makes a crack.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs.

I think they should be not only allowed, but encouraged.  Shooters suffer from terrible industrial deafness (although mainly in the one ear closest to the gun). 

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm: I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs. I think they should be not only allowed, but encouraged.  Shooters suffer from terrible industrial deafness (although mainly in the one ear closest to the gun).

Wouldnt ear protection be suffice?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Yes but whats the point in suppressing the sound of the shot, if the bullet makes a crack.

It helps.  Ideally you should use other protection like earmuffs if possible.

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood. I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work Found it http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html :D :D :D :D

It made Muir look like a backward hick. Which of course, was exactly what he was and still is. The first suit in his life (including for his wedding) was bought for the senate.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:52am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. Calling them silencers is dumb and wrong.  Nothing silent about it.  I fully support gun control of the weapons you seem to want access to, and also support sound suppressors, because why would i want those that need to use guns to suffer hearing loss? In New Zealand they have strong regulations on who can own guns instead of what type they can have. I think the NZ model is superior to our laws, they have had no mass shootings. Our second worst mass shooting was done with a single shot bolt action .22, if you can trust someone with a single shot .22 then you can trust them with just about anything. I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs. I think farmers should be allowed to have a pistol as well, it's not easy carrying a rifle on a motorbike/quad bike or horse, they should be allowed a pistol with similar restrictions to their Cat C semi auto rimfire can only be used on nominated property.

Not quite true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre

My daughter worked on the film "Out Of The Blue".

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:56am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood. I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work Found it http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html :D :D :D :D It made Muir look like a backward hick. Which of course, was exactly what he was and still is. The first suit in his life (including for his wedding) was bought for the senate.

He wasn't even there when he said he was too busy to meet the PM. I wonder if the journo's checked in the pub for Muir?

Maria, are you still maintaining that Muir was "long term unemployed: or have you changed your mind?

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:56am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood. I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work Found it http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html :D :D :D :D It made Muir look like a backward hick. Which of course, was exactly what he was and still is. The first suit in his life (including for his wedding) was bought for the senate.

Grow up, foxtick.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:52am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. Calling them silencers is dumb and wrong.  Nothing silent about it.  I fully support gun control of the weapons you seem to want access to, and also support sound suppressors, because why would i want those that need to use guns to suffer hearing loss? In New Zealand they have strong regulations on who can own guns instead of what type they can have. I think the NZ model is superior to our laws, they have had no mass shootings. Our second worst mass shooting was done with a single shot bolt action .22, if you can trust someone with a single shot .22 then you can trust them with just about anything. I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs. I think farmers should be allowed to have a pistol as well, it's not easy carrying a rifle on a motorbike/quad bike or horse, they should be allowed a pistol with similar restrictions to their Cat C semi auto rimfire can only be used on nominated property. Not quite true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre My daughter worked on the film "Out Of The Blue".

Of course she did!!!!  LOL  A bit like the relative who was flight director for Apollo 13, the billionaire relative and the ASIO spy.

You are such an easy mark.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Maria, are you still maintaining that Muir was "long term unemployed: or have you changed your mind?

Do you know that having a few months working minimum wage in a sawmill doesnt make you long-term employed?  Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole.  And 5 minutes listening to him talk will tell you why.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole.

Proof please.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:18pm: Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole. Proof please.

No problem. Just prove to me the existence of any historical figure using the new and approved 'Stratos Method' and I will indulge you. Along with the location of the Ark of the Covenant.

You obviously believe it, seeing as you've doubled down with an even stronger claim.  Why do you think Muir:


Quote:

has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole

Don't get angry, just show me why you think is the case, because I've read nothing that suggests this is remotely true.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:12am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] We haven't had Automatic weapons available to the public since the 30s, when they were banned by every state in Australia. There were no automatic weapons at port arthur I think your hysteria has caused a technical glitch in not being able to tell the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi automatic weapon, it happens with anti gun hysterics. So calm your tits, it is just someone expressing an opinion, not quite illegal in this country yet. Does it matter what I called a weapon the can kill masses of people....So calm your tits mate because I am also entitled to my opinion....Leyonhjelm has slagged off at the majority of Australian's by calling us victims, which insinuates we are weak in his closed mind....Even having semi automatic weapons would result in another massacre if some of the froot loops we have seen commit gun crimes had access to these weapons....Good on John Howard for having the balls to stand up to people like you!!! :) :) :)

Manstrual Cramps?  :'( :'( :'(


Yes, you are entitled to an opinion even an ignorant one, but you are not entitled to have your ignorant opinion go unchallenged.


I find knowing what the f,,,,k you are talking about always helps in these situations

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:52am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. Calling them silencers is dumb and wrong.  Nothing silent about it.  I fully support gun control of the weapons you seem to want access to, and also support sound suppressors, because why would i want those that need to use guns to suffer hearing loss? In New Zealand they have strong regulations on who can own guns instead of what type they can have. I think the NZ model is superior to our laws, they have had no mass shootings. Our second worst mass shooting was done with a single shot bolt action .22, if you can trust someone with a single shot .22 then you can trust them with just about anything. I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs. I think farmers should be allowed to have a pistol as well, it's not easy carrying a rifle on a motorbike/quad bike or horse, they should be allowed a pistol with similar restrictions to their Cat C semi auto rimfire can only be used on nominated property. Not quite true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre My daughter worked on the film "Out Of The Blue". Of course she did!!!!  LOL  A bit like the relative who was flight director for Apollo 13, the billionaire relative and the ASIO spy. You are such an easy mark.

So are you - since it's all true and you are a known fantasist.

You really ought to get away from that running with the known psychopaths you took on.. you'll be banned alongside them if you continue.

What billionaire relative?  I have no billionaire relative... you've spent too long listening to He Person's fantasies and outright lies.....

Such an easy mark.  Now do try to keep the personal remarks out of it, mania, and get on with discussion on facts, as I do.  He Person's anti-Grappler jihad has been terminated... with extreme prejudice.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:26pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:21pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:18pm: Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole. Proof please. No problem. Just prove to me the existence of any historical figure using the new and approved 'Stratos Method' and I will indulge you. Along with the location of the Ark of the Covenant.

I did in the other thread.  You dodged questions and fled that thread too.  You are of course, welcomes to continue our previous discussion there:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1446463185/570#570

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:12am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] We haven't had Automatic weapons available to the public since the 30s, when they were banned by every state in Australia. There were no automatic weapons at port arthur I think your hysteria has caused a technical glitch in not being able to tell the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi automatic weapon, it happens with anti gun hysterics. So calm your tits, it is just someone expressing an opinion, not quite illegal in this country yet. Does it matter what I called a weapon the can kill masses of people....So calm your tits mate because I am also entitled to my opinion....Leyonhjelm has slagged off at the majority of Australian's by calling us victims, which insinuates we are weak in his closed mind....Even having semi automatic weapons would result in another massacre if some of the froot loops we have seen commit gun crimes had access to these weapons....Good on John Howard for having the balls to stand up to people like you!!! :) :) :) Manstrual Cramps?  :'( :'( :'( Yes, you are entitled to an opinion even an ignorant one, but you are not entitled to have your ignorant opinion go unchallenged. I find knowing what the f,,,,k you are talking about always helps in these situations

My opinion was based on Leyonhjelm calling Australian's victims like we are piss weak which you failed to address and instead went on a rant about what big bloody gun with lots of bullets was used....You have a very nasty nature and prove the point that people like you should never be allowed to own a big bloody gun with lots of bullets!!!

::) ::) ::)

The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence.
Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:56am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood. I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work Found it http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html :D :D :D :D Pretty sure if he was working at the time, his employer would understand if he had a meeting with the PM.

His employer? that would mean he was employed wouldn't it?  :D :D :D

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:56am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:01am: John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:49am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:02am: He is long-term unemployed, has no skills and can scarcely string a sentence together you just keep making crap up don't you? He was working before politics, and creative writing doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to you. That's hardly a fault. :D :D :D Muir was born in Maffra, Victoria. He grew up and went to school in Stratford. He worked for a leather company making car seats. Around 2009, he moved to Denison, near Heyfield, and worked for a sawmill, moving up to manager. Shortly before the election, the sawmill ceased operations and he lost his job. Source: Wikipedia. He was unemployed. He cannot speak publicly. He has no real skills besides making seats and sawing wood. I seem to remember a story just AFTER the election when Abbott asked Muir to meet with him in Canberra. Muirs' reply was that if Abbott wanted to speak to him he would have to travel to Muir as Muir couldn't afford to take the time of work Found it http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-nowhere-to-be-seen-at-sawmill-after-turning-down-meeting-with-tony-abbott-20140530-399ea.html :D :D :D :D It made Muir look like a backward hick. Which of course, was exactly what he was and still is. The first suit in his life (including for his wedding) was bought for the senate.

I don't care how Muir looked ... I'm more interested in how you look

and you're looking like someone who has no idea and just makes crap up as she goes.
;D ;D ;D

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Maria, are you still maintaining that Muir was "long term unemployed: or have you changed your mind? Do you know that having a few months working minimum wage in a sawmill doesnt make you long-term employed?  Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole.  And 5 minutes listening to him talk will tell you why.

still making up crap I see....  :D :D :D

you're just too stupid for your own good!

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 6:11pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:12am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] We haven't had Automatic weapons available to the public since the 30s, when they were banned by every state in Australia. There were no automatic weapons at port arthur I think your hysteria has caused a technical glitch in not being able to tell the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi automatic weapon, it happens with anti gun hysterics. So calm your tits, it is just someone expressing an opinion, not quite illegal in this country yet. Does it matter what I called a weapon the can kill masses of people....So calm your tits mate because I am also entitled to my opinion....Leyonhjelm has slagged off at the majority of Australian's by calling us victims, which insinuates we are weak in his closed mind....Even having semi automatic weapons would result in another massacre if some of the froot loops we have seen commit gun crimes had access to these weapons....Good on John Howard for having the balls to stand up to people like you!!! :) :) :) Manstrual Cramps?  :'( :'( :'( Yes, you are entitled to an opinion even an ignorant one, but you are not entitled to have your ignorant opinion go unchallenged. I find knowing what the f,,,,k you are talking about always helps in these situations My opinion was based on Leyonhjelm calling Australian's victims like we are piss weak which you failed to address and instead went on a rant about what big bloody gun with lots of bullets was used....You have a very nasty nature and prove the point that people like you should never be allowed to own a big bloody gun with lots of bullets!!! ::) ::) ::) The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence. Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Try discussing this when you are a little less 'weepy'

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:18pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Maria, are you still maintaining that Muir was "long term unemployed: or have you changed your mind? Do you know that having a few months working minimum wage in a sawmill doesnt make you long-term employed?  Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole.  And 5 minutes listening to him talk will tell you why. still making up crap I see....  :D :D :D you're just too stupid for your own good!

I think he'll do OK. He's been thrown in at the deep end and he's taken a couple of mouthfuls of water but he does seem like a genuine guy. I wonder if Maria turned up at the next local drag meet, she would expect them to talk like a poli? I wouldn't. That doesn't mean they are stupid.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ricky-muirs-anguish-on-asylum-vote-20141205-1219av.html

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 6:27pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 6:11pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:26am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:12am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:36am: Who votes for dickheads like David Leyonhjelm??? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/david-leyonhjelm-discourages-us-from-adopting-stronger-gun-laws/6948656 Quote: Senator David Leyonhjelm has labelled Australia "a nation of victims" and discouraged the United States from following Australia's example on gun control. Senator Leyonhjelm told the NRA that Australia should not be a model for gun control, stating that John Howard's 1996 gun legislation - pushed through in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre - had made "no difference". "We are a nation of victims," he said. "You cannot own a gun for self defence ... the criminals still have guns. There's a very vigorous black market for guns, so it's not made the slightest bit of difference. "If you want a gun, you can get one." Senator Leyonhjelm has pushed for the rights of gun owners in Australia since his election in 2013 and recently negotiated a 12-month sunset clause on a ban on importing the Adler lever-action shotgun. The fact we do not have automatic weapons freely available in Australia means we have less victims than the United States....If Leyonhjelm thinks massacres like the one in Port Arthur are an acceptable consequence so people can own automatic weapons he is an idiot....It makes a difference to those who lost their loved ones at Port Arthur who would no doubt find his comments about being victims very offensive!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif] We haven't had Automatic weapons available to the public since the 30s, when they were banned by every state in Australia. There were no automatic weapons at port arthur I think your hysteria has caused a technical glitch in not being able to tell the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi automatic weapon, it happens with anti gun hysterics. So calm your tits, it is just someone expressing an opinion, not quite illegal in this country yet. Does it matter what I called a weapon the can kill masses of people....So calm your tits mate because I am also entitled to my opinion....Leyonhjelm has slagged off at the majority of Australian's by calling us victims, which insinuates we are weak in his closed mind....Even having semi automatic weapons would result in another massacre if some of the froot loops we have seen commit gun crimes had access to these weapons....Good on John Howard for having the balls to stand up to people like you!!! :) :) :) Manstrual Cramps?  :'( :'( :'( Yes, you are entitled to an opinion even an ignorant one, but you are not entitled to have your ignorant opinion go unchallenged. I find knowing what the f,,,,k you are talking about always helps in these situations My opinion was based on Leyonhjelm calling Australian's victims like we are piss weak which you failed to address and instead went on a rant about what big bloody gun with lots of bullets was used....You have a very nasty nature and prove the point that people like you should never be allowed to own a big bloody gun with lots of bullets!!! ::) ::) ::) The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence. Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), The Virtue of Selfishness, 1964 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Try discussing this when you are a little less 'weepy'

I made my point....You have proven my point that gun nuts are irrational people....Implying I am somehow weaker than you because I don't think guns make us safer is an irrational argument....Who is the gutless one in this debate???

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

I made my point....You have proven my point that gun nuts are irrational people....Implying I am somehow weaker than you because I don't think guns make us safer is an irrational argument....Who is the gutless one in this debate??? :) :) :)

I could be classed as a gun nut here. IE, I think Au's laws are stupid re semi-auto firearms, especially .22 rimfire, don't mind legal firearm ownership. I no longer own any but have had a few, some like the Ruger mini 14 5.56 and SKS 7.62x39 I sold when the writing was on the wall. Others, slowly after that, I loved my BLR .243. :'( That said to others I'm a lefty as I see a need for control, it's no longer the case that you can trust that the kid you see riding down the road with a .22 over his handlebars is going to bring some rabbit's home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7kGtRIcCWs

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 6:39pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:18pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:28pm: Maria, are you still maintaining that Muir was "long term unemployed: or have you changed your mind? Do you know that having a few months working minimum wage in a sawmill doesnt make you long-term employed?  Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole.  And 5 minutes listening to him talk will tell you why. still making up crap I see....  :D :D :D you're just too stupid for your own good! I think he'll do OK. He's been thrown in at the deep end and he's taken a couple of mouthfuls of water but he does seem like a genuine guy. I wonder if Maria turned up at the next local drag meet, she would expect them to talk like a poli? I wouldn't. That doesn't mean they are stupid. http://www.smh.com.au/national/ricky-muirs-anguish-on-asylum-vote-20141205-1219av.html

I agree ... I watched a bit of 'Kitchen Cabinet' with him last week and he seems OK to me. Sure he stumbled on the first few interviews.

I wonder how marialongstupidone would do .. she seems to do a lot of stumbling on a forum where she has time to check her information before posting  .. imagine in an interview. :D :D :D

Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!!

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-?

That's because you have never shot pig in scrub, rabbit's running, or how important it is to get a quick second shot before something disappears into scrub, possibly wounded.

No-one should use self defence as an argument, it's unlawful to use disproportionate force, full stop. What about lever action? Still too fast isn't it? Perhaps muzzle loader or an Martini action single shot like the old .310 Cadet? Why do you propose we need to tell others what they need to get a job done?

Edit: Here, let me try and paint a real picture, a real life incidence.
I was out shooting rabbit with my bolt action Sportco .22. A rabbit popped it's head out of the burrow I was watching, absolute head shot(cue Dougy, boom headshot). In fact what really happened was I blew it's teeth and mouth way, it stood up on it's hind legs, squealed like you wouldn't believe, it's little paws brushing at where it's face used to be. I needed my other Sportco .22 semi-auto as, by the time I could take it in and cycle the bolt, it was back down the burrow, dying in pain trying to find it's face.

And if that story makes you think hunters are heartless beasts... I can still see that bunny in the scope, it made me seriously question the ethics of it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:38am: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:37am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:23am: allowing semi autos with silencers You are a gun fan and you call them "silencers".  Hilarious. But thats what they do in the movies Stratos  ;) If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. A sound moderator for a .223/.308 will reduce Db levels by around 28-31Db, you cannot silence the supersonic crack when the projectile breaks the sound barrier. A sound moderator will add about 8-10 inches to the length of a rifle, making them harder to conceal.

Silencer
Suppressor
Can
Muffler
Sound Moderator

Makes no difference what you call them. All the names are absolutely correct & acceptable......they are also called 'cans' & 'mufflers' by the Armed Services.

Again, all would be absolutely correct.

Those that say calling them 'silencers' is incorrect are they themselves incorrect.....very incorrect (except that is, in their own lil minds).

They have been called silencers for over 100 years in the gun capitol of the world....in the USA.....& not just in the movies like some braniac tried to have us believe.

In the USA they are officially & legally called "SILENCERS". You can substitute 'suppressors' if you wish, but legally they are known as 'silencers'.

So, those that are making it an issue, saying you shouldn't call silencers..silencers..don't know their ass from their elbow about firearms.......period.  ;D ;D


Check out one of the largest manufacturers of "SILENCERS" in the world here.... http://silencerco.com/


Source:   http://silencerco.com/education/ 
Quote:

HISTORY Hiram P. Maxim was born into a family of innovators. Both his father and uncle were well-known inventors, credited with many technological advances in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This spirit of progress and improvement on ideas took hold in young Hiram, and he pursued mechanical engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He became a pioneer in ham radio components and automobiles, and worked in several other industries before developing the technology for which he would come to be best known: firearm silencers. An avid outdoorsman, Hiram particularly enjoyed shooting and hunting. Often shooting in close proximity to neighbors and feeling sensitive to the nuisance he was creating, he contemplated the idea of applying the scientific principles of an automotive muffler to reduce the sound signature of a firearm. His product was hugely successful and sold in hardware stores for $3.25. While Maxim himself called the product a “silencer,” it did not silence the firearm, only suppressed the sound of its report.Sportsmen and hunters freely enjoyed the benefits of silenced shooting until 1934 when this right was violated by an ill-conceived piece of legislation called the “National Firearms Act” (NFA). This law created a number of unreasonable barriers to silencer ownership that are still in place today, including a $200 per-item tax. In 1934, $200 was equivalent to over $3,500 today.

They silence nothing.  Even if that's what people want to call them, it's clearly a misnomer, and literally everyone I know who talks about guns don't use that to describe them.

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? That's because you have never shot pig in scrub, rabbit's running, or how important it is to get a quick second shot before something disappears into scrub, possibly wounded. No-one should use self defence as an argument, it's unlawful to use disproportionate force, full stop. What about lever action? Still too fast isn't it? Perhaps muzzle loader or an Martini action single shot like the old .310 Cadet? Why do you propose we need to tell others what they need to get a job done?

I have been roo shooting as a matter of fact....Good to see you have a plausible argument which adds weight to your argument....However my beef is not so much the availability of firearms being available for legitimate purposes, it is with Leyonhjelm calling his fellow Australians victims because we support gun control....More guns with maximum killing capacity will not make people safer!!!

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? That's because you have never shot pig in scrub, rabbit's running, or how important it is to get a quick second shot before something disappears into scrub, possibly wounded. No-one should use self defence as an argument, it's unlawful to use disproportionate force, full stop. What about lever action? Still too fast isn't it? Perhaps muzzle loader or an Martini action single shot like the old .310 Cadet? Why do you propose we need to tell others what they need to get a job done? I have been roo shooting as a matter of fact....Good to see you have a plausible argument which adds weight to your argument....However my beef is not so much the availability of firearms being available for legitimate purposes, it is with Leyonhjelm calling his fellow Australians victims because we support gun control....More guns with maximum killing capacity will not make people safer!!! :-? :-? :-?

Roo shooting was spotlighting? Not a lot of chance of them getting away wounded or otherwise. Well we are to a degree, there is a legit reason for things we can't have, as a rule, not situational.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:41pm:

They silence nothing.  Even if that's what people want to call them, it's clearly a misnomer, and literally everyone I know who talks about guns don't use that to describe them.

So, you object to using their proper name because you insist on being pedantic about what they do, rather than what they are actually named.

Use whatever name you personally prefer, but to say calling them "Silencers" is incorrect is only professing your own basic ignorance about firearms to those that actually know better.  ;)

Panther wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:41pm: They silence nothing.  Even if that's what people want to call them, it's clearly a misnomer, and literally everyone I know who talks about guns don't use that to describe them. So, you object to using their proper name because you insist on being pedantic about what they do, rather than what they are actually named. Use whatever you personally prefer, but to say calling them "Silencers" is incorrect is only professing your own ignorance about firearms to those that actually know better.  ;)

Whatever you want to call them, they were legal in SA when my Sportco was made, Sportco were a SA company, came threaded for <insert noise reducing pseudonym> and a screw off thread cover.

Anyway, with a .22 rimfire you could buy Zs, probably still can, from memory they travelled bout 600fps, probably like a good .22 air rifle. The sound was a whisper. Nothing will silence or diminish the sonic crack and that is by far the loudest, subsonics like the .22 Z are abundant for rounds like 9mm, for a <insert noise reducing pseudonym> to be effective, you need to use subsonics.

Panther wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

Use whatever you personally prefer, but to say calling them "Silencers" is incorrect is only professing your own ignorance about firearms to those that actually know better

I said it was a misnomer.  Here's your "silence"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZU5TGljAmw


I don't really care what you call it, but "silencer" doesn't describe what happens, and I've only heard it (outside of movies) being called such by people who don't really know how they work.  There are far more accurate and not misleading names.

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? That's because you have never shot pig in scrub, rabbit's running, or how important it is to get a quick second shot before something disappears into scrub, possibly wounded. No-one should use self defence as an argument, it's unlawful to use disproportionate force, full stop. What about lever action? Still too fast isn't it? Perhaps muzzle loader or an Martini action single shot like the old .310 Cadet? Why do you propose we need to tell others what they need to get a job done? I have been roo shooting as a matter of fact....Good to see you have a plausible argument which adds weight to your argument....However my beef is not so much the availability of firearms being available for legitimate purposes, it is with Leyonhjelm calling his fellow Australians victims because we support gun control....More guns with maximum killing capacity will not make people safer!!! :-? :-? :-? Roo shooting was spotlighting? Not a lot of chance of them getting away wounded or otherwise. Well we are to a degree, there is a legit reason for things we can't have, as a rule, not situational.

Shooting during the day in Meekatharra....There where literally hundreds of roos all over the place....I also went shooting with some real nutters when I was much younger who shot at everything that moved....Lucky for a wedge tailed eagle they where lousy shots hey....Not all shooters are responsible and giving them semi automatic weapons is not something I would recommend???

:-? :-? :-?

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

to be effective, you need to use subsonics.

This is a very different matter.  As someone with gun experience, have you ever used subsonics?  If so, what for?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:50pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? That's because you have never shot pig in scrub, rabbit's running, or how important it is to get a quick second shot before something disappears into scrub, possibly wounded. No-one should use self defence as an argument, it's unlawful to use disproportionate force, full stop. What about lever action? Still too fast isn't it? Perhaps muzzle loader or an Martini action single shot like the old .310 Cadet? Why do you propose we need to tell others what they need to get a job done? I have been roo shooting as a matter of fact....Good to see you have a plausible argument which adds weight to your argument....However my beef is not so much the availability of firearms being available for legitimate purposes, it is with Leyonhjelm calling his fellow Australians victims because we support gun control....More guns with maximum killing capacity will not make people safer!!! :-? :-? :-? Roo shooting was spotlighting? Not a lot of chance of them getting away wounded or otherwise. Well we are to a degree, there is a legit reason for things we can't have, as a rule, not situational. Shooting during the day in Meekatharra....There where literally hundreds of roos all over the place....I also went shooting with some real nutters when I was much younger who shot at everything that moved....Lucky for a wedge tailed eagle they where lousy shots hey....Not all shooters are responsible and giving them semi automatic weapons is not something I would recommend??? :-? :-? :-?

Damn Phlip, I remember people like that... Were they from Cunderdin... I could believe that.


edit: Contemplating on some of my time in the wheat belt, I'm from Perth, I remember one farmer I worked for had a site of Aboriginal significance, in the salt lake at the lowest part of his land, in an overcrop of rock was hand art, you know pigment blown over hands. He mined the areas around it for gypsum to break the clay on the higher ground.

Maybe I could google map it 30 years later! Might do that.

edit: Oh, I forgot the point, he was considering using some Ammonium  Nitrate and Diesel on it.

edit again: Thinking on it now, considering world events, it seems pretty much an ISIS view of the world as far as they see historically significant sites.

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:04pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:50pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:23pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? That's because you have never shot pig in scrub, rabbit's running, or how important it is to get a quick second shot before something disappears into scrub, possibly wounded. No-one should use self defence as an argument, it's unlawful to use disproportionate force, full stop. What about lever action? Still too fast isn't it? Perhaps muzzle loader or an Martini action single shot like the old .310 Cadet? Why do you propose we need to tell others what they need to get a job done? I have been roo shooting as a matter of fact....Good to see you have a plausible argument which adds weight to your argument....However my beef is not so much the availability of firearms being available for legitimate purposes, it is with Leyonhjelm calling his fellow Australians victims because we support gun control....More guns with maximum killing capacity will not make people safer!!! :-? :-? :-? Roo shooting was spotlighting? Not a lot of chance of them getting away wounded or otherwise. Well we are to a degree, there is a legit reason for things we can't have, as a rule, not situational. Shooting during the day in Meekatharra....There where literally hundreds of roos all over the place....I also went shooting with some real nutters when I was much younger who shot at everything that moved....Lucky for a wedge tailed eagle they where lousy shots hey....Not all shooters are responsible and giving them semi automatic weapons is not something I would recommend??? :-? :-? :-? Damn Phlip, I remember people like that... Were they from Cunderdin... I could believe that.

I know a few people from Cunderdin....Why am I not surprised you picked them for being red necks???

;) ;) ;)

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:52pm: Use whatever you personally prefer, but to say calling them "Silencers" is incorrect is only professing your own ignorance about firearms to those that actually know better I said it was a misnomer.  Here's your "silence" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZU5TGljAmw I don't really care what you call it, but "silencer" doesn't describe what happens, and I've only heard it (outside of movies) being called such by people who don't really know how they work.  There are far more accurate and not misleading names.

Well, then I suggest you jot off a note to the largest manufacturer of silencers.....shocked I know, but that's what they call them..go figure...well, tell then that they should cease & desist, & never call their products 'silencers' ever again......I guarantee you'll be able to hear their laughter from wherever you live.    ;D ;D ;D

Silencer
Suppressor
Can
Muffler
Sound Moderator/Modifier

Bottom line....instead of being girlishly silly by insisting what name is right or wrong, all the above names are absolutely acceptable, by governments, the military, & most importantly by the pros in every field of firearm manufacture & usage, including instruction. They all use the names interchangeably without fear of being corrected by a snotty kid who thinks he knows better than they do. ;)


Enjoy some 'real' fun with some boys who know exactly what they're talkin' about,
without quibbling over names like lil spoiled school girls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HzMLvrF6u4

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

I know a few people from Cunderdin....Why am I not surprised you picked them for being red necks??? ;) ;) ;)

Because like a good lefty, I can generalise, or is that righty? I get confused sometimes.

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:30pm: I know a few people from Cunderdin....Why am I not surprised you picked them for being red necks??? ;) ;) ;) Because like a good lefty, I can generalise, or is that righty? I get confused sometimes.

Probably more a centralist like me....I look at the both extremes and cringe at their blind support for bullshit just because their team proposed it....Policy has been trumped by spin and the rusted on defend it regardless of the merits!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:48pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:30pm: I know a few people from Cunderdin....Why am I not surprised you picked them for being red necks??? ;) ;) ;) Because like a good lefty, I can generalise, or is that righty? I get confused sometimes. Probably more a centralist like me....I look at the both extremes and cringe at their blind support for bullshit just because their team proposed it....Policy has been trumped by spin and the rusted on defend it regardless of the merits!!! ::) ::) ::)

Hell no.. They're apparently crazier than the other two. At least the other two have faith. That's something you may not question. After all, what do you believe in?

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:55pm: Setanta wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:48pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:30pm: I know a few people from Cunderdin....Why am I not surprised you picked them for being red necks??? ;) ;) ;) Because like a good lefty, I can generalise, or is that righty? I get confused sometimes. Probably more a centralist like me....I look at the both extremes and cringe at their blind support for bullshit just because their team proposed it....Policy has been trumped by spin and the rusted on defend it regardless of the merits!!! ::) ::) ::) Hell no.. They're apparently crazier than the other two. At least the other two have faith. That's something you may not question. After all, what do you believe in?

In relation to faith I am an agnostic (not surprising)...In relation to politics I find both good and bad in both extremes....Mostly bad!!!

:) :) :)

Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits.
Dan Barker, "Losing Faith in Faith", 1992

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

In relation to faith I am an agnostic (not surprising)...In relation to politics I find both good and bad in both extremes....Mostly bad!!! :) :) :)

;)

That's a Freemason wink, IITL, we should be forgiven.

:'(

Phlip, where are you from in Perth, north or south of the river? Where did you grow up?

Setanta wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:18pm:

Phlip, where are you from in Perth, north or south of the river? Where did you grow up?

Sent you a PM Setanta!!!

:) :) :)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:17pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 4:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:52am: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 11:48am: If I called them sound moderators the hoplophobes might not understand what I am talking about. Calling them silencers is dumb and wrong.  Nothing silent about it.  I fully support gun control of the weapons you seem to want access to, and also support sound suppressors, because why would i want those that need to use guns to suffer hearing loss? In New Zealand they have strong regulations on who can own guns instead of what type they can have. I think the NZ model is superior to our laws, they have had no mass shootings. Our second worst mass shooting was done with a single shot bolt action .22, if you can trust someone with a single shot .22 then you can trust them with just about anything. I think sound moderators should be allowed for farmers, many farmers always have dogs with them and not a single company sells hearing protection for dogs. I think farmers should be allowed to have a pistol as well, it's not easy carrying a rifle on a motorbike/quad bike or horse, they should be allowed a pistol with similar restrictions to their Cat C semi auto rimfire can only be used on nominated property. Not quite true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramoana_massacre My daughter worked on the film "Out Of The Blue". Of course she did!!!!  LOL  A bit like the relative who was flight director for Apollo 13, the billionaire relative and the ASIO spy. You are such an easy mark. So are you - since it's all true and you are a known fantasist. You really ought to get away from that running with the known psychopaths you took on.. you'll be banned alongside them if you continue. What billionaire relative?  I have no billionaire relative... you've spent too long listening to He Person's fantasies and outright lies..... Such an easy mark.  Now do try to keep the personal remarks out of it, mania, and get on with discussion on facts, as I do.  He Person's anti-Grappler jihad has been terminated... with extreme prejudice.

You make up stories on here ALL THE TIME!  What about the Apollo 13 Flight Director you claimed as part of your family?  Seriously, Grappling, you need some help.

Stratos wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:26pm: Stratos wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:21pm: mariacostel wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:18pm: Liek Lambie, he has spent most of the last 10 years on the dole. Proof please. No problem. Just prove to me the existence of any historical figure using the new and approved 'Stratos Method' and I will indulge you. Along with the location of the Ark of the Covenant. I did in the other thread.  You dodged questions and fled that thread too.  You are of course, welcomes to continue our previous discussion there: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1446463185/570#570

No you didnt. I applied the Stratos method and that eliminated 100% of your evidence.  Don't complain. It is your methodology that is being employed.

I've made a reply in the other thread.  No need to cover this one with the same discussion.  See you there Maira.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-?

I am not sure why you argue the toss with people who cannot explain what use a gun has other than to blow a hole in something.I can accept a knife has many uses...and a forks not bad.. however a gun to me has only ONE use..

another thing that bothers me.. is if or when a Police officer shoots and usually kills someone in line with doing their job.....

so many go on a hue and cry  saying

WHY DID HE SHOOT.......HE DIDNT HAVE TO KILL...

yet he is trained to do just that.... ::) ::) ::)..

yet  many see its fine that someone with no skills at all can own a gun... ::)

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? I am not sure why you argue the toss with people who cannot explain what use a gun has other than to blow a hole in something.I can accept a knife has many uses...and a forks not bad.. however a gun to me has only ONE use.. another thing that bothers me.. is if or when a Police officer shoots and usually kills someone in line with doing their job..... so many go on a hue and cry  saying WHY DID HE SHOOT.......HE DIDNT HAVE TO KILL... yet he is trained to do just that.... ::) ::) ::).. yet  many see its fine that someone with no skills at all can own a gun... ::)

I rarely indulge in arguing with anyone....Everyone is entitled to their opinion and although I might not agree with some people there concerns are sometimes legitimate!!!

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

cods wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:27am: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:08pm: Gidday Setanta, I have no problem with the current laws as they stand and I fail to see why anyone needs semi automatic weapons....So far no one has put the case as to why these weapons are necessary for the general public apart from a stupid self defence argument....More guns in the community will result in more killings and accidents....It is simple logic!!! :-? :-? :-? I am not sure why you argue the toss with people who cannot explain what use a gun has other than to blow a hole in something.I can accept a knife has many uses...and a forks not bad.. however a gun to me has only ONE use.. another thing that bothers me.. is if or when a Police officer shoots and usually kills someone in line with doing their job..... so many go on a hue and cry  saying WHY DID HE SHOOT.......HE DIDNT HAVE TO KILL... yet he is trained to do just that.... ::) ::) ::).. yet  many see its fine that someone with no skills at all can own a gun... ::) I rarely indulge in arguing with anyone....Everyone is entitled to their opinion and although I might not agree with some people there concerns are sometimes legitimate!!! :-? :-? :-?

That's about it Phlip, not a lot more you can do besides state your view/opinion, try and give some reasoning, see if someone wants to really debate the pros/cons and I do agree the fewer guns there are in society the fewer will be killed by them, that's a pretty
safe bet but they may well still die from another implement of death.

Make of it what you will....

http://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/4905120/data/chart3a-deaths-resulting-from-firearms-data.jpg

My beef is with the WAY government here went about removing firearms from the community, which was by installing a regimen under which anyone accused, with a zero standard of proof, of any form of the very attenuated 'violence' included under the 'domestic violence' umbrella, would, BY REGULATION AND NOT BY LAW, have any legally owned firearm confiscated without compensation.

That is and always has been the reality, and I will remind you all again that the Australian people REJECTED gun control at the election prior to the introduction of 'uniform domestic violence laws' under the reign of Paul Keating.

The installation, therefore, of an end run around democratic will of the people, by the installation of these (non) laws requiring zero evidence other than a 'feeling' by 'the complainant' - was a violent abrogation of the rule of democracy in this country, and a usurpation by government of the right of the people to determine for themselves their best path.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a civil war declared by governments here against their own people.

On a personal note, I owned legal firearms, and gave them away, and had the option, at the time of the oppression of firearms here, to purchase semi-automatic hand guns and long arms - but chose not to do so.

In view of the absolute arrogance of government since that time, I regret the decision to not buy weapons for self-defence.