A tropical heat wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4nEfJGX7M

supercapacitors: There a pretty good chance that the next time you buy an automobile, even if it's not an EV, it's going to have a supercapacitor in it

source: http://www.maxwell.com/solutions/transportation/auto/start-stop-micro-hybrid

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Yes, change is afoot  :-? :-?

Isn't AC wonderful?

Isn't weather wonderful?

Gnads wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Isn't AC wonderful?

Boiled frog syndrome means divestment is afoot!

lee et al. think we don't know about the arrow of time and stuff  ::) ::) ::) ::)

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Isn't weather wonderful?

Nothing to see here folks: please keep your eye on hollywoods one plot wand of enchanted consumer polka dotted fairy dreamed fluff and forget about the blood for oil wars coming home to roost!

:o :o :o

...lee suggests so and so it must be oh yes  :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? ..

Australian heatwaves more frequent, hotter and longer: Climate Council report

Heatwaves in Australia are becoming more frequent, hotter and are lasting longer because of climate change, a report released today by the Climate Council says.

The interim findings of the report, titled Australian Heatwaves: Hotter, Longer, Earlier and More Often, come as southern Australia swelters through a heatwave

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-16/australian-heatwaves-getting-hotter-and-longer/5202272

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Australian heatwaves more frequent, hotter and longer: Climate Council report Heatwaves in Australia are becoming more frequent, hotter and are lasting longer because of climate change, a report released today by the Climate Council says.

Seeing as they can predict the future- what are Tuesday's OzLotto numbers?

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Australian heatwaves more frequent, hotter and longer: Climate Council report Heatwaves in Australia are becoming more frequent, hotter and are lasting longer because of climate change, a report released today by the Climate Council says. The interim findings of the report, titled Australian Heatwaves: Hotter, Longer, Earlier and More Often, come as southern Australia swelters through a heatwave http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-16/australian-heatwaves-getting-hotter-and-longer/5202272

I suggest you see your GP .... you're running a temp.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:45pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:38pm: Australian heatwaves more frequent, hotter and longer: Climate Council report Heatwaves in Australia are becoming more frequent, hotter and are lasting longer because of climate change, a report released today by the Climate Council says. Seeing as they can predict the future- what are Tuesday's OzLotto numbers?

Is lee saying forecasts don't work?

Why do insurance companies use forecasts then mr leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee????

Why do insurance companies have a lot of money that you represent mr lee?

Are you forecasting your own comeuppance mr leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?


http://www.smashinglists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/michael-jackson-thriller-doll.jpg

:D :D :D 8-)
____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:38pm:

, come as southern Australia swelters through a heatwave

I live in the south east of WA. Quite cool here. Must be only parts of southern Australia. Regional warming? :D :D :D 8-)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:51pm:

lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:45pm: ____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:38pm: Australian heatwaves more frequent, hotter and longer: Climate Council report Heatwaves in Australia are becoming more frequent, hotter and are lasting longer because of climate change, a report released today by the Climate Council says. Seeing as they can predict the future- what are Tuesday's OzLotto numbers? Is lee saying forecasts don't work? Why do insurance companies use forecasts then mr leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee???? Why do insurance companies have a lot of money that you represent mr lee? Are you forecasting your own comeuppance mr leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? http://www.smashinglists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/michael-jackson-thriller-doll.jpg

Weather forecasts are some good, can be quite accurate 3-4 days. Climate forecasts are crap.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:55pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:51pm: lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:45pm: ____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:38pm: Australian heatwaves more frequent, hotter and longer: Climate Council report Heatwaves in Australia are becoming more frequent, hotter and are lasting longer because of climate change, a report released today by the Climate Council says. Seeing as they can predict the future- what are Tuesday's OzLotto numbers? Is lee saying forecasts don't work? Why do insurance companies use forecasts then mr leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee???? Why do insurance companies have a lot of money that you represent mr lee? Are you forecasting your own comeuppance mr leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? http://www.smashinglists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/michael-jackson-thriller-doll.jpg Weather forecasts are some good, can be quite accurate 3-4 days. Climate forecasts are crap.

lol, not touching the subject of economics are we mr nah statistics isn't really scientific method  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D except for  :D :D :D :D :D

yeh, you must be worth a truckload in the boardroom bro  :D :D :D :D

Four killed by wildfires in WA as heatwave heads east


http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2015/11/21/four-killed-by-wildfires-in-wa-as-heatwave-heads-east.html

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:59pm:

Four killed by wildfires in WA as heatwave heads east http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2015/11/21/four-killed-by-wildfires-in-wa-as-heatw...

You really are sick.

The fires (7) were started by lightning, and spread by winds up to 100kph, according to reports. We have lightning every year. The fires are still going and appear to have picked up again.

You are a tosser of the highest order.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:59pm: Four killed by wildfires in WA as heatwave heads east http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2015/11/21/four-killed-by-wildfires-in-wa-as-heatw... You really are sick. The fires (7) were started by lightning, and spread by winds up to 100kph, according to reports. We have lightning every year. The fires are still going and appear to have picked up again. You are a tosser of the highest order.

You're saying heatwaves don't affect fire conditions perhaps?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:38pm:

You're saying heatwaves don't affect fire conditions perhaps?

Nope. But they have less effect than winds, which push the fire and so provide more fuel and quickly.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:52pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 7:38pm: You're saying heatwaves don't affect fire conditions perhaps? Nope. But they have less effect than winds, which push the fire and so provide more fuel and quickly.

So heatwaves do effect wildfires.
Thanks for clearing that one up.

Just hang on a tick I'll be right back, I'm just going to turn the heatwave up, its getting a bit nippy here.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:52pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 7:38pm: You're saying heatwaves don't affect fire conditions perhaps? Nope. But they have less effect than winds, which push the fire and so provide more fuel and quickly.

Interesting: got any science on that  ::)

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Just hang on a tick I'll be right back, I'm just going to turn the heatwave up, its getting a bit nippy here.

wow, let's all get out daddys toys and pretend we know why climate change is a moral issue :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Hey, my daddys penis is very big btw  8-)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:07pm:

wiseguy wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 8:03pm: Just hang on a tick I'll be right back, I'm just going to turn the heatwave up, its getting a bit nippy here. wow, let's all get out daddys toys and pretend we know why climate change is a moral issue :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Hey, my daddys penis is very big btw  8-)

I doubt that, but anyway. ::)

What do you expect from a kumbayah singer?

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:02pm:

So heatwaves do effect wildfires. Thanks for clearing that one up.

Yep but not to any great extent. They don't start fires, they make damp things more likely to burn, by drying them out. Heatwaves dry crops. Who knew? Dry crops burn. And especially so when harvest is on.

And the only time "Heatwave" is mentioned in the attached article is in the headline. What does that tell you about heatwaves and wildfires. It makes the fire more difficult to fight, beccause of heavy protective gear.

You though, were attempting to make political capital out of those deaths.

Quote:

Yep, but not to any great extent

So back to straddling both sides of the fence.
Runaway climate change, which caused heatwaves,caused mass extinctions.

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:51pm:

Quote: Yep, but not to any great extent So back to straddling both sides of the fence. Runaway climate change, which caused heatwaves,caused mass extinctions.

oh dear god..

its summer and Greens is back on his menstrual Cycle..  ::)

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:51pm:

Runaway climate change, which caused heatwaves,caused mass extinctions.

Show me the science

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:55pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 8:51pm: Runaway climate change, which caused heatwaves,caused mass extinctions. Show me the science

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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:55pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 8:51pm: Quote: Yep, but not to any great extent So back to straddling both sides of the fence. Runaway climate change, which caused heatwaves,caused mass extinctions. oh dear god.. its summer and Greens is back on his menstrual Cycle..  ::)

The Permian–Triassic extinction event (the Great Dying) may have been caused by release of methane from clathrates. An estimated 52% of marine genus went extinct, representing 96% of all marine species.

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may have..

yawn..  ::)

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:08pm:

may have.. yawn..  ::)

Your house may burn down. Your car may crash. You may get a terminal disease ... do you have any insurance policies?

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:11pm:

Your house may burn down. Your car may crash. You may get a terminal disease ... do you have any insurance policies?

What's the cost of the insurance policy? Are you an insurance salesman, can you quantify the risk?

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:01pm:

The Permian–Triassic extinction event (the Great Dying) may have been caused by release of methane from clathrates. An estimated 52% of marine genus went extinct, representing 96% of all marine species.

You know the error bars on that? That is not science. Once again you have nothing but rhetoric and your belief in AGW.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:11pm: Your house may burn down. Your car may crash. You may get a terminal disease ... do you have any insurance policies? What's the cost of the insurance policy? Are you an insurance salesman, can you quantify the risk?

You're interested in the cost of an insurance policy for heatwaves after saying about the effects of heatwaves ~ not to any great extent

Can you stop flip flopping please.


Quote:

Yep but not to any great extent. They don't start fires, they make damp things more likely to burn, by drying them out. Heatwaves dry crops. Who knew? Dry crops burn. And especially so when harvest is on. And the only time "Heatwave" is mentioned in the attached article is in the headline. What does that tell you about heatwaves and wildfires. It makes the fire more difficult to fight, beccause of heavy protective gear.

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:27pm:

You're interested in the cost of an insurance policy for heatwaves after saying about the effects of heatwaves ~ not to any great extent Can you stop flip flopping please.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:11pm: Your house may burn down. Your car may crash. You may get a terminal disease ... do you have any insurance policies? What's the cost of the insurance policy? Are you an insurance salesman, can you quantify the risk?

Your limited intellect is catching up with you. You can't even comprehend your own writings.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:39pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:27pm: You're interested in the cost of an insurance policy for heatwaves after saying about the effects of heatwaves ~ not to any great extent Can you stop flip flopping please. lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:15pm: ____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:11pm: Your house may burn down. Your car may crash. You may get a terminal disease ... do you have any insurance policies? What's the cost of the insurance policy? Are you an insurance salesman, can you quantify the risk? Your limited intellect is catching up with you. You can't even comprehend your own writings.

No one is offering you an insurance policy.
And why would they since sand in a head size bucket seems to work for you.


Quote:

Yep but not to any great extent.

____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:44pm:

No one is offering you an insurance policy. And why would they since sand in a head size bucket seems to work for you.

You think you are a wit - but you are only half right.

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:53pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:44pm: No one is offering you an insurance policy. And why would they since sand in a head size bucket seems to work for you. You think you are a wit - but you are only half right.

Your surrender accepted.

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____ wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:59pm:

Your surrender accepted.

Your delusional ramblings don't engender surrender, more like mirth. You should use a white cross on a white background as your flag.

Edit: oh, you do. ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:51pm:

:D :D :D 8-) ____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:38pm: , come as southern Australia swelters through a heatwave I live in the south east of WA. Quite cool here. Must be only parts of southern Australia. Regional warming? :D :D :D 8-)

Under a rock?

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 6:59pm: Four killed by wildfires in WA as heatwave heads east http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2015/11/21/four-killed-by-wildfires-in-wa-as-heatw... You really are sick. The fires (7) were started by lightning, and spread by winds up to 100kph, according to reports. We have lightning every year. The fires are still going and appear to have picked up again. You are a tosser of the highest order.

Why? It was a posted link? Is it false?

Setanta wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:12pm:

Why? It was a posted link? Is it false?

It gives a false impression.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Under a rock?

No, I leave that to you.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:27am:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 11:11pm: Under a rock? No, I leave that to you.

Thanks for making me your heir darling. When do you expect to die and vacate your rock?

“The sea surface temperatures around Australia during 2010/2011 were on average 0.5°C warmer than they were 60 years ago,” said Caroline Ummenhofer, a physical oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/climate_change_boosted_australias_2010_floods_20151121


Quote:

LONDON—For the first time, researchers have linked the catastrophic floods in Australia in the summer of 2010 with global warming. And they warn that the double hazard of long-term ocean warming and rising atmospheric temperatures makes the risk of extreme rainfall greater in years to come. In 2010, during a natural cyclic Pacific phenomenon called La Niña, sea surface temperatures in the Indian Ocean and the western Pacific were high, and the air became saturated with moisture. When the clouds billowed over Queensland, they deposited so much water that 35 people died, 28,000 homes were flooded and 100,000 people were left without electricity. Lake Eyre, a normally dry lakebed in the country’s interior, filled with water. The economic damage amounted to US $2.38 bn. Altogether so much water fell on the normally arid landscape that global sea levels dropped perceptibly. Rapid warming “The sea surface temperatures around Australia during 2010/2011 were on average 0.5°C warmer than they were 60 years ago,” said Caroline Ummenhofer, a physical oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in the US. “While many past studies have found a global warming link to heat extremes, this study is one of the first to show how ocean warming can impact a heavy rainfall event.” She and her Australian colleagues report in the journal Geophysical Research Letters that they had identified the mechanisms that increase the likelihood of extreme rainfall. “Additional ocean warming enhanced onshore moisture transport into Australia and ascent and precipitation over the northeast,” they write. “Our results highlight the role of long-term ocean warming for modifying rain-producing atmospheric circulation conditions, increasing the likelihood of extreme precipitation for Australia during future La Niña events.” La Niña is the supposedly cooler little sister of the notorious El Niño, associated with warmer than usual waters in the eastern equatorial Pacific.  Researchers have already warned that it could play a role in future floods: Dr Ummenhofer and her colleagues have looked back in time to find that it has already done so. Climatologists are normally reluctant to ascribe any one weather event to climate change driven by rising carbon dioxide levels as a consequence of the human combustion of fossil fuels: that is because climate is what people expect, but weather is what happens. Repeated warnings But Australian researchers have separately warned of storms ahead as global temperatures rise, and have identified the fingerprint of global warming in record temperatures in the southern continent. They have also found that human greenhouse gas emissions may be contributing to the sustained droughts that periodically cripple Australia’s agriculture. But this is the first direct link with any one episode of flooding. One prediction of the Woods Hole team’s modelling experiments is that because of warmer sea surface temperatures, Australia is now three times more likely to experience unprecedented rainfall during a strong La Niña event. “The additional warming of the oceans has profound impacts on the atmosphere. It increases the amount of moisture in the atmosphere and can intensify rain-producing circulation conditions,” said Matthew England, of the Australian Research Council’s Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science, and a co-author. “This is why in 2010/11 more moisture was brought onshore along Australia’s east coast. Stronger rising motion over the northeast resulted in higher rainfall, making it more likely for Australia to suffer extreme rainfall conditions during this strong La Niña.”

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:57am:

When do you expect to die and vacate your rock?

Comprehension issues? I'll reiterate;  no, I don't live under a rock.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm:

While many past studies have found a global warming link to heat extremes, this study is one of the first to show how ocean warming can impact a heavy rainfall event.”

So increased evaporation causes more rain? I'm Shocked, Shocked I tell you.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:20pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 11:57am: When do you expect to die and vacate your rock? Comprehension issues? I'll reiterate;  no, I don't live under a rock.

Have you rented to Maria Costel?

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:23pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 12:12pm: While many past studies have found a global warming link to heat extremes, this study is one of the first to show how ocean warming can impact a heavy rainfall event.” So increased evaporation causes more rain? I'm Shocked, Shocked I tell you.

Infusion of knowledge has that effect on the ignorant.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:30pm:

Infusion of knowledge has that effect on the ignorant.

Yep, you show inspired ignorance.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 12:30pm: Infusion of knowledge has that effect on the ignorant. Yep, you show inspired ignorance.

I show it the door. Off with you lee. Get educated!

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

I show it the door. Off with you lee. Get educated!

Your the one posted the story. Didn't read it? Didn't understand it?

No heat wave here today... doona last night and cool today.... prediction is as low as 10-20 C later this week.. and it ain't even Tasmania...

It just gets better.


Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm:

One prediction of the Woods Hole team’s modelling experiments

Modelling experiments, but they must be believed.

Perth was supposed to be 23 last night... it was warmish but not too bad.

Today seems to have just started cooling off(maybe not!??!) at around just after midday and the forecast predicts a fairly rapid drop_ i think the heat may hang around but: the sea breeze isn't in yet... unsure: stillish with a slight promise of a breeze.

I will definitely get to the beach at some point... unless the breeze really hammers in!

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

It just gets better. Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 12:12pm: One prediction of the Woods Hole team’s modelling experiments Modelling experiments, but they must be believed.

What is a model, my dear lee, if not for experimentation?

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm:

“The sea surface temperatures around Australia during 2010/2011 were on average 0.5°C warmer than they were 60 years ago,” said Caroline Ummenhofer, a physical oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/climate_change_boosted_australias_2010_floods_20151121 Quote: LONDON—For the first time, researchers have linked the catastrophic floods in Australia in the summer of 2010 with global warming. And they warn that the double hazard of long-term ocean warming and rising atmospheric temperatures makes the risk of extreme rainfall greater in years to come. In 2010, during a natural cyclic Pacific phenomenon called La Niña, sea surface temperatures in the Indian Ocean and the western Pacific were high, and the air became saturated with moisture. When the clouds billowed over Queensland, they deposited so much water that 35 people died, 28,000 homes were flooded and 100,000 people were left without electricity. Lake Eyre, a normally dry lakebed in the country’s interior, filled with water. The economic damage amounted to US $2.38 bn. Altogether so much water fell on the normally arid landscape that global sea levels dropped perceptibly. Rapid warming “The sea surface temperatures around Australia during 2010/2011 were on average 0.5°C warmer than they were 60 years ago,” said Caroline Ummenhofer, a physical oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in the US. “While many past studies have found a global warming link to heat extremes, this study is one of the first to show how ocean warming can impact a heavy rainfall event.” She and her Australian colleagues report in the journal Geophysical Research Letters that they had identified the mechanisms that increase the likelihood of extreme rainfall. “Additional ocean warming enhanced onshore moisture transport into Australia and ascent and precipitation over the northeast,” they write. “Our results highlight the role of long-term ocean warming for modifying rain-producing atmospheric circulation conditions, increasing the likelihood of extreme precipitation for Australia during future La Niña events.” La Niña is the supposedly cooler little sister of the notorious El Niño, associated with warmer than usual waters in the eastern equatorial Pacific.  Researchers have already warned that it could play a role in future floods: Dr Ummenhofer and her colleagues have looked back in time to find that it has already done so. Climatologists are normally reluctant to ascribe any one weather event to climate change driven by rising carbon dioxide levels as a consequence of the human combustion of fossil fuels: that is because climate is what people expect, but weather is what happens. Repeated warnings But Australian researchers have separately warned of storms ahead as global temperatures rise, and have identified the fingerprint of global warming in record temperatures in the southern continent. They have also found that human greenhouse gas emissions may be contributing to the sustained droughts that periodically cripple Australia’s agriculture. But this is the first direct link with any one episode of flooding. One prediction of the Woods Hole team’s modelling experiments is that because of warmer sea surface temperatures, Australia is now three times more likely to experience unprecedented rainfall during a strong La Niña event. “The additional warming of the oceans has profound impacts on the atmosphere. It increases the amount of moisture in the atmosphere and can intensify rain-producing circulation conditions,” said Matthew England, of the Australian Research Council’s Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science, and a co-author. “This is why in 2010/11 more moisture was brought onshore along Australia’s east coast. Stronger rising motion over the northeast resulted in higher rainfall, making it more likely for Australia to suffer extreme rainfall conditions during this strong La Niña.”

They reckon the currents around Antarctica are tightening up, hence less rainfall is reaching into our country explaining why Western Australia has been seeing long term patterns of decreased rainfall in its south-west.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:27am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 11:12pm: Why? It was a posted link? Is it false? It gives a false impression.

How?

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:25pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:01pm: The Permian–Triassic extinction event (the Great Dying) may have been caused by release of methane from clathrates. An estimated 52% of marine genus went extinct, representing 96% of all marine species. You know the error bars on that? That is not science. Once again you have nothing but rhetoric and your belief in AGW.

Science is defined by its error values: the uncertainty principle is where it all starts!

:o :o

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 9:11pm: Your house may burn down. Your car may crash. You may get a terminal disease ... do you have any insurance policies? What's the cost of the insurance policy? Are you an insurance salesman, can you quantify the risk?

--> lee is talking about error value laden quantities running economies presumably without even knowing it?!!?

:o :o

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:08pm:

may have.. yawn..  ::)

the mechanic loves error values  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

.. perhaps he prefers the words 'tolerance values' instead ::) ???

lee wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:21pm:

____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 8:02pm: So heatwaves do effect wildfires. Thanks for clearing that one up. Yep but not to any great extent. They don't start fires, they make damp things more likely to burn, by drying them out. Heatwaves dry crops. Who knew? Dry crops burn. And especially so when harvest is on. And the only time "Heatwave" is mentioned in the attached article is in the headline. What does that tell you about heatwaves and wildfires. It makes the fire more difficult to fight, beccause of heavy protective gear. You though, were attempting to make political capital out of those deaths.

Are you talking about error values again?

.. you just don't like quantitative argument do you buddy  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:44pm:

lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 8:21pm: ____ wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 8:02pm: So heatwaves do effect wildfires. Thanks for clearing that one up. Yep but not to any great extent. They don't start fires, they make damp things more likely to burn, by drying them out. Heatwaves dry crops. Who knew? Dry crops burn. And especially so when harvest is on. And the only time "Heatwave" is mentioned in the attached article is in the headline. What does that tell you about heatwaves and wildfires. It makes the fire more difficult to fight, beccause of heavy protective gear. You though, were attempting to make political capital out of those deaths. Are you talking about error values again? .. you just don't like quantitative argument do you buddy  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Lastly, for good measure- or is it to convince lees own ego that he is actually not a bad person afterall!??!  ::) , lee goes for the fascistic imputation of moral superiority.

All in a days work hey buddy  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:24pm:

What is a model, my dear lee, if not for experimentation?

Experimentation is one thing. Treating the output of models as fact; is entirely different.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:33pm:

lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 11:27am: Setanta wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 11:12pm: Why? It was a posted link? Is it false? It gives a false impression. How?

It gave a false impression that the heatwaves were causative.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:55pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 2:24pm: Experimentation is one thing. Treating the output of models as fact; is entirely different.

The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem.

Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 2:33pm: lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 11:27am: Setanta wrote on Nov 21st, 2015 at 11:12pm: Why? It was a posted link? Is it false? It gives a false impression. How? It gave a false impression that the heatwaves were causative.

You putting the mast up on that issue then are ya  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D!

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:00pm:

The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem. Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism.

And yet they only quote the most scary. They do not admit to doubt. And with the great variety of "parameters" that are input, which is correct?

The models don't do projections, predictions, prognostications. Just what do they do?

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 2:55pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 2:24pm: What is a model, my dear lee, if not for experimentation? Experimentation is one thing. Treating the output of models as fact; is entirely different.

You don't know what a fact is!

:D :D

Nomenclature buddy, nomenclature: cheers mate http://img10.deviantart.net/7279/i/2005/289/7/0/smiley_with_beer_by_ionyou.jpg

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:04pm:

You don't know what a fact is!

it's the strip of skin......

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:00pm: The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem. Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism. And yet they only quote the most scary. They do not admit to doubt. And with the great variety of "parameters" that are input, which is correct? The models don't do projections, predictions, prognostications. Just what do they do?

Scientific method has to start somewhere. You want a free-lunch son and we all know you can't talk your way out of that little truth!

- lee demands his free-lunch now and everyone else can just go and get it for him or he will pout and scream for mummy to help him demand the servants act more efficiently  :D :D

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:07pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: You don't know what a fact is! it's the strip of skin......

--> lee demands his servants get him his free lunch now or mummy will have to get involved  :o :o

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Scientific method has to start somewhere.

Yeh, but it doesn't end at the model. The model needs to be verified.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:11pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:08pm: Scientific method has to start somewhere. Yeh, but it doesn't end at the model. The model needs to be verified.

Okeley dokely captain  ::) ::)

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:00pm: The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem. Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism. And yet they only quote the most scary. They do not admit to doubt. And with the great variety of "parameters" that are input, which is correct? The models don't do projections, predictions, prognostications. Just what do they do?

That's why people were invented.

I have to highlight to prevent lee going off on a frolic by picking one word and turning it into a plethora of denials, arguments and false facts.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:36pm:

lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:00pm: The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem. Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism. And yet they only quote the most scary. They do not admit to doubt. And with the great variety of "parameters" that are input, which is correct? The models don't do projections, predictions, prognostications. Just what do they do? That's why people were invented. I have to highlight to prevent lee going off on a frolic by picking one word and turning it into a plethora of denials, arguments and false facts.

So people were invented to confirm their biases, when reading the tea leaves modelled data output.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:36pm: lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:00pm: The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem. Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism. And yet they only quote the most scary. They do not admit to doubt. And with the great variety of "parameters" that are input, which is correct? The models don't do projections, predictions, prognostications. Just what do they do? That's why people were invented. I have to highlight to prevent lee going off on a frolic by picking one word and turning it into a plethora of denials, arguments and false facts. So people were invented to confirm their biases, when reading the tea leaves modelled data.

Thank you for your confession that you are a biased invention.

Confession is good for lees soul.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Thank you for your confession that you are a biased invention. Confession is good for lees soul.

That was your take on it. Are you resiling?

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:49pm: Thank you for your confession that you are a biased invention. Confession is good for lees soul. That was your take on it. Are you resiling?

I'm 'reisling'.

lee wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:36pm: lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:04pm: Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 3:00pm: The objective of models is to determine ranges of prospective facts if the conditions of the model are repeated in an ecosystem. Models produce a range of prospective facts. Its more scientific than abject denialism. And yet they only quote the most scary. They do not admit to doubt. And with the great variety of "parameters" that are input, which is correct? The models don't do projections, predictions, prognostications. Just what do they do? That's why people were invented. I have to highlight to prevent lee going off on a frolic by picking one word and turning it into a plethora of denials, arguments and false facts. So people were invented to confirm their biases, when reading the tea leaves modelled data output.

It's all part of the uncertainty principle  :D :D :D

Denizen lee fiddles while WA burns.

Fire seasons are starting earlier and lasting longer as AGW progresses.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-22/four-bushfire-warnings-for-wa-residents-including-esperance/6962188


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Residents in Western Australia have been urged to seek safety after the WA Department of Fire and Emergency Services (DFES) issued four emergency bushfire warnings across the state. An emergency warning is in place for a fire in the western part of Bindoon, north of Perth, with homes in Gray Road, Hidaway Drive, Lakeside Drive and Great Northern Highway under threat. Residents in those areas are in danger and need to either leave immediately for a safer place or prepare to defend their home. DFES said embers were burning ahead of the bushfire and warned residents to close all doors and windows. It has jumped the Great Northern Highway, parts of which are now closed. People can evacuate to the Bindoon Town Hall on the Great Northern Highway. An emergency warning has also been issued for people in the western part of Ellenbrook in the Shire of Swan, where burning embers are causing problems. The fire was burning in bushland adjacent to Charlottes Vista. Homes there and in Moulton Trail are under threat. "Burning embers are likely to be blown around your home," a warning said. Another emergency warning remains in place in the coastal town of Esperance, where residents have again been told to evacuate their homes after a fire — which has burned for days — broke containment lines on its western flank. Authorities said there was a threat to lives and homes. The alert level for the fire was upgraded to an emergency warning when the flames moved fast in a north-westerly direction. The fire is threatening homes in Myrup, to the north-east of Esperance. The Department of Fire and Emergency Services (DFES) has advised residents leaving their homes to take Quarry Road north, and turn left at Myrup Road then north along Esperance-Coolgardie Highway. An emergency warning has also been issued for the Julimar State Forest in the Shire of Toodyay. Residents near the forest are warned that burning embers are likely to be blown around homes. Those deciding to stay and defend are being advised not to rely on mains water pressure, as it could be affected. The threat had eased on Saturday but hot, windy conditions have fanned flames. There have been several devastating fires in the region since last weekend. One of the blazes claimed the life of four people, including local farmer Kym Curnow and three European nationals.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm:

Denizen lee fiddles while WA burns. Fire seasons are starting earlier and lasting longer as AGW progresses.

And this, of course, has nothing to do with lack of controlled burns etc.

The article you quote says nothing about "starting earlier and lasting longer as AGW progresses". Perhaps you can give a link to that.

From Department of Fire & Emergency Services (DFES).

'Typically, Western Australia’s bushfire season runs between November and April in the South West, while the northern bushfire season runs from June to late October. '
http://www.dfes.wa.gov.au/safetyinformation/fire/bushfire/Pages/default.aspx

The temperature's rising ... lee and Maria blame it on the Bosanova.

South Australia's on fire.


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This spring is likely to see broken records for heat in many parts of Australia. Perth, the largest city and capital of Western Australia, is on course to see one of its hottest Novembers and its hottest spring on record. Since the start of the month, all but eight days have exceeded the November average of 26.5C. Only three days in the last fortnight posted a maximum below 30C. Residents flocked to the beach this weekend, as the city baked in its hottest weekend since February. Hot and dry winds swung around from a southerly to a northeasterly on Friday, interrupted only by the afternoon sea breeze. This had the effect of bringing the searingly hot air down from the Kimberley Plateau. As a result, on Saturday, the temperature soared to 35 degrees Celsius, then to 36C on Sunday . This is hot enough you might think, but on the previous Saturday, the thermometer touched 39.2C, then showed a relatively cooler 33C on Sunday. Diagonally opposite, on the other side of the continent, Tropical Queensland has been even hotter. Parts of the state have come within two degrees of breaking November heat records, with some places recording temperatures up to 10 degrees above average. The highest temperatures to be felt on Saturday were in the north-west of Queensland. Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Rick Threlfall said, "Urandangi got up to 43 degrees, Monument got up to 42 degrees, but a lot of places over the interior were over 40 degrees." He continued, "We're still a couple of degrees short of hitting November records, but certainly well above average by about 10 degrees in some places." In fact, every Australian state has flirted with or beaten heat records this month, a phenomenon possibly attributable to the current strong El Nino event. Under such conditions, there is rather less cloud cover, on average, over Australia, so more of the sun's rays hit the ground. The famous red dirt absorbs the sun's radiation very readily, and from then on, the breeze spreads the heat all around. - See more at: http://mwcnews.net/news/asia-pacfic/55678-australias-continent-wide-heatwave.html#sthash.wgFI914E.dpuf

South Australia's on fire.

http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2015/11/bushfire-water-bombing.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/25/australian-wildfire-kills-at-least-2-and-injures-13-others/


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ADELAIDE, Australia –  Out-of-control wildfires have caused at least two deaths, 13 injuries and have destroyed at least 16 homes near the southern Australian city of Adelaide, officials said on Thursday. Two bodies were recovered on Wednesday and there was an unconfirmed report that a person fleeing the blaze died in a car wreck in the razed rural area, South Australia state Premier Jay Weatherill said. The confirmed casualties were a 56-year-old woman and a 69-year-old man. Their names were not released. At least two firefighters were among the 13 people hospitalized by the blaze that had scorched 85,000 hectares (210,000 acres) of farm and woodland and threatened several towns near Adelaide, the state's capital and largest city, Weatherill said. Five of those injured were in critical or serious conditions with burns. "Their condition is being closely monitored, but we do hold grave concerns," Weatherill told reporters.

When I was a kid in Sydney, near the coast, the heat & humidity was so bad we had to brave the funnel web spiders and sleep out on the lawn. And that was a double brick house.

Never had to do that since.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

When I was a kid in Sydney, near the coast, the heat & humidity was so bad we had to brave the funnel web spiders and sleep out on the lawn. And that was a double brick house. Never had to do that since.

Congratulations you have evolved and can now afford to sleep inside the house.

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

When I was a kid in Sydney, near the coast, the heat & humidity was so bad we had to brave the funnel web spiders and sleep out on the lawn. And that was a double brick house. Never had to do that since.

Go quantitative argument: I wish I had business acumen so daddy would love too  ::) ::)

The temperature's rising. "She certainly can can can"

The flames are leaping off the chart.

http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2015/11/global-average-temperatures.jpg

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-planet-is-about-to-pass-a-ominous-warming-milestone-and-theres-more-coming-2015-11


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The global surface temperature in 2015 is likely to be the warmest on record and reach the significant milestone of 1° Celsius above the pre-industrial era. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO), in a provisional statement on the status of global climate, says this is due to a combination of a strong El Niño and human-induced global warming. The WMO has prepared the analysis ahead of the COP21, the UN climate change conference in Paris which begins on Monday to decide a global emissions reduction goal. Australia last month had its warmest October on record and a heatwave early in the month set new records for early season warmth. And a powerful El Niño event is gaining strength, influencing weather patterns in many parts of the world and is partly to blame for the exceptionally warm October in Australia. The impact will continue to be felt in 2016. Globally the years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five on record, with many extreme weather events, especially heatwaves, influenced by climate change. “The state of the global climate in 2015 will make history as for a number of reasons,” says WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “Levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere reached new highs and in the Northern hemisphere spring 2015, the three-month global average concentration of CO2 crossed the 400 parts per million barrier for the first time. “2015 is likely to be the hottest year on record, with ocean surface temperatures at the highest level since measurements began. It is probable that the 1°C Celsius threshold will be crossed. This is all bad news for the planet.”

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:

The temperature's rising. "She certainly can can can"

Yep, good graph. See how the slope (rate of change), since 1997,  is not as much as pre-1997?

Remember the Karl et al 2015 adjustments to NASA/NOOA/GISS datasets?

lee wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 1:12pm: The temperature's rising. "She certainly can can can" Yep, good graph. See how the slope (rate of change), since 1997,  is not as much as pre-1997? Remember the Karl et al 2015 adjustments to NASA/NOOA/GISS datasets?

lee obfuscates again and ignores the 2015 values at the end of the chart which leap sharply off the trend line.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:45pm:

lee obfuscates again and ignores the 2015 values at the end of the chart which leap sharply off the trend line.

You ignore Karl et al and El Nino.  What trend line?

lee wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 4:45pm: lee obfuscates again and ignores the 2015 values at the end of the chart which leap sharply off the trend line. You ignore Karl et al and El Nino.  What trend line?

Please pay attention at the back of the class Mr. lee and stop blaming your imaginary friends for your misfortunes.

--

If those lines at the end of your graph are the new trend, it shows a step-change. Step-changes occur when there is a change in location, instrumentation or methodology.

Hot windy day - spent the day watching the horizon for smoke... tonight is track suit in bed time again.... brrrrr....

lee wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

If those lines at the end of your graph are the new trend, it shows a step-change. Step-changes occur when there is a change in location, instrumentation or methodology.

... or a change in the measured variable!

You do know the Karl et al paper? Used noisy ships data +/-1.7C and married it up to buoy data. They did this with a self-admitted significance or p value of 0.10C

'Boldface indicates trends that are significant at the 0.10 significance level. '

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2015/06/03/science.aaa5632.DC1/Karl-SM.pdf

What is significance or p value?

'   A small p-value (typically ≤ 0.05) indicates strong evidence against the null hypothesis, so you reject the null hypothesis.

    A large p-value (> 0.05) indicates weak evidence against the null hypothesis, so you fail to reject the null hypothesis.

    p-values very close to the cutoff (0.05) are considered to be marginal (could go either way). Always report the p-value so your readers can draw their own conclusions.'

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/what-a-pvalue-tells-you-about-statistical-data.html

So you see they should have rejected the findings, instead they incorporated them in the NOOA/NASA/GISS datasets.

Oh, by the way HadCRUt made their own adjustments, just not as much as the Karl et al.

The temperature's rising and denialists are ditching their collars.

First 10 days of November are record breaking after record breaking October.

http://icons.wxug.com/hurricane/chrisburt/globenov7.jpg

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/incredible-november-warmth-for-portions-of-the-us-europe-and-beyond


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The first 10 days of November 2015 have seen record-breaking warmth for many locations in Florida and elsewhere in U.S. while all-time November monthly national heat records have so far been broken in the U.K., Ireland, France, Estonia, Slovenia, and Finland. All-time record heat (for any month) was also observed in parts of Australia and French Guiana. Here is a brief summary.

lee wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:58pm:

If those lines at the end of your graph are the new trend, it shows a step-change. Step-changes occur when there is a change in location, instrumentation or methodology.

--------> lee has never heard of phase change!

:D

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

The temperature's rising and denialists are ditching their collars. First 10 days of November are record breaking after record breaking October. http://icons.wxug.com/hurricane/chrisburt/globenov7.jpg http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/incredible-november-warmth-for-portions-of-the-us-europe-and-beyond Quote: The first 10 days of November 2015 have seen record-breaking warmth for many locations in Florida and elsewhere in U.S. while all-time November monthly national heat records have so far been broken in the U.K., Ireland, France, Estonia, Slovenia, and Finland. All-time record heat (for any month) was also observed in parts of Australia and French Guiana. Here is a brief summary.

Some of these maps are showing hot-spots on Antarctica too... Also Australia! But, yeh- The arctic definitley has almost permanent hotspots!

lee wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 9:14am:

You do know the Karl et al paper? Used noisy ships data +/-1.7C and married it up to buoy data. They did this with a self-admitted significance or p value of 0.10C 'Boldface indicates trends that are significant at the 0.10 significance level. ' http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2015/06/03/science.aaa5632.DC1/Karl-SM.pdf What is significance or p value? '   A small p-value (typically ≤ 0.05) indicates strong evidence against the null hypothesis, so you reject the null hypothesis.     A large p-value (> 0.05) indicates weak evidence against the null hypothesis, so you fail to reject the null hypothesis.     p-values very close to the cutoff (0.05) are considered to be marginal (could go either way). Always report the p-value so your readers can draw their own conclusions.' http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/what-a-pvalue-tells-you-about-statistical-data.html So you see they should have rejected the findings, instead they incorporated them in the NOOA/NASA/GISS datasets. Oh, by the way HadCRUt made their own adjustments, just not as much as the Karl et al.

....um, dear buddy---> I don't know how to put  this except to say "A little Dimensional analysis on your behalf is in order I RECTION !!"  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
F'N LOL  ;D






:-? :-? :-?

-like seriously,  :-? :-? :-?

The worst is yet to come because El Nino is reputedly about to affect Pacific Ocean which means the West Coast of USA and East coast Australia.

Australia could be in for a scorching December, January, February and March.

http://rapidnewsnetwork.com/2015-to-be-warmest-year-on-record-says-wmo/313347/


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Scientists are pointing to the El Nino formed earlier this year. Australia is headed for one of its six warmest years since the Bureau of Meteorology began collecting national records in 1910. Next year may yet be even warmer, since levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have risen to a new record every year for the past 30 years, and the El Niño phenomenon is likely to continue into 2016.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:58am:

The worst is yet to come because El Nino is reputedly about to affect Pacific Ocean which means the West Coast of USA and East coast Australia. Australia could be in for a scorching December, January, February and March. http://rapidnewsnetwork.com/2015-to-be-warmest-year-on-record-says-wmo/313347/ Quote: Scientists are pointing to the El Nino formed earlier this year. Australia is headed for one of its six warmest years since the Bureau of Meteorology began collecting national records in 1910. Next year may yet be even warmer, since levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have risen to a new record every year for the past 30 years, and the El Niño phenomenon is likely to continue into 2016.

When el nino heats up the east coast of Australia the heat bleeds through to the west via other mechanism!

;)

El Nino means that the east coast of Australia is to receive a colder ocean current. Whilst the west coast of South America receives a warmer current. You would probably note that Townsville, typically averaging 1200mm of rain each year, has about 300mm of rain total for the year to November. I live in Rockhampton, and we are up to about 600 to 700mm. Normally, we have these occasional storms for this time of year, when it would rain fairly heavily during these storms. But because of the colder ocean currents, the storms are not very strong, and have not amount of rainfall that could cool us down. Today, yesterday, and probably the day before that, we have been experiencing over 35 degree temperatures (maximum of 40) for this week. I have not felt at all comfortable. Especially seeing that I have to wear long pants as part of my work uniform.

With the El Nino breaking down, we should see some normality come to east coast Australia. I see no reason why we could have a bumper (albeit late) start to the cyclone season. Doubt that I will see an average rainfall to get the grass growing again for this year. May have to wait until next year.

Another 3 day heat wave about to hit Sydney.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/early-week-heatwave-to-remain/53899571


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A brief blast of summerlike heat will traverse eastern Australia early this week, bringing well above-average temperatures to areas from Newcastle to Canberra. A cold front will bring scattered showers and thunderstorms, ending the heat by Wednesday. This hot spell across across eastern Australia will be the third shot of much above-average conditions across the region in the past month. The first two bursts of heat caused temperatures to soar to over 38 C (100 F) in Sydney. Temperature peaked at 43 C (109 F) on November 20.

Oh,well. You're DOOMED.

'A brief blast of summerlike heat will traverse eastern Australia early this week, '
It is summer. What did they expect? Winter blasts?

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:14am:

Oh,well. You're DOOMED.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 11:14am:

Oh,well. You're DOOMED. 'A brief blast of summerlike heat will traverse eastern Australia early this week, ' It is summer. What did they expect? Winter blasts?

In your case they will be all season blasts from the lower South.

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

El Nino means that the east coast of Australia is to receive a colder ocean current. Whilst the west coast of South America receives a warmer current. You would probably note that Townsville, typically averaging 1200mm of rain each year, has about 300mm of rain total for the year to November. I live in Rockhampton, and we are up to about 600 to 700mm. Normally, we have these occasional storms for this time of year, when it would rain fairly heavily during these storms. But because of the colder ocean currents, the storms are not very strong, and have not amount of rainfall that could cool us down. Today, yesterday, and probably the day before that, we have been experiencing over 35 degree temperatures (maximum of 40) for this week. I have not felt at all comfortable. Especially seeing that I have to wear long pants as part of my work uniform. With the El Nino breaking down, we should see some normality come to east coast Australia. I see no reason why we could have a bumper (albeit late) start to the cyclone season. Doubt that I will see an average rainfall to get the grass growing again for this year. May have to wait until next year.

link?

Hot, hot hot. Global warming? Does this portend a long hot summer to March?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-05/hot-weather-puts-fire-crews-on-high-alert-in-sa/7004160


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SA swelters through heatwave as fire crews remain on high alert SA bushfire insurance claims reach $75 million South Australians have endured one of the state's hottest starts to summer with temperatures reaching the high 30s and low 40s. Fire crews remain on high alert as the heatwave, which is expected to continue until Monday, grips the state. Total fire bans are in place for six districts, with extreme fire danger forecast for the West Coast. By early afternoon Adelaide had reached 39.5 degrees Celsius, while towns in Flinders, Mid North, North West Pastoral and North East Pastoral areas recorded temperatures in the lows 40s. At 2:30pm Ceduna hit 45.3C.

Only time will tell. But it is cold in the South of WA.

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Only time will tell. But it is cold in the South of WA.

Its cold in my freezer.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

lee wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 3:47pm: Only time will tell. But it is cold in the South of WA. Its cold in my freezer.

So that;'s where you’ve been? No wonder it feels hot when you get out.

lee wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Only time will tell. But it is cold in the South of WA.

really....  :D :D :D :D :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

lee wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 3:47pm: Only time will tell. But it is cold in the South of WA. really....  :D :D :D :D :D

..oh look, a drug f*ck idiot disagrees with with 'real world' temperature readings...What a shock :D :D :D :D

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7th, 2015 at 2:25pm: lee wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 3:47pm: Only time will tell. But it is cold in the South of WA. really....  :D :D :D :D :D ..oh look, a drug f*ck idiot disagrees with with 'real world' temperature readings...What a shock :D :D :D :D

lol, i didn't vote for copper internet-----------> you did  ;)

...and the internet will always remember it too  :D :D :D

UK submerged by floods. Global warming?

Its so bad emergency workers have to ferry patrons to the nearest above-water pub.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03519/floods-desmond-por_3519574b.jpg

UK submerged by floods. Global warming?

Its so bad emergency workers have to ferry patrons to the nearest above-water pub.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03519/floods-desmond-por_3519574b.jpg

https://youtu.be/ah7bwyTRM74

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/unseasonable-cold-and-wet-hits-southwest-wa/413187



Unseasonable cold and wet hits southwest WA

Ben McBurney, Sunday December 6, 2015 - 12:20 EDT

A slow-moving low pressure system has brought unusual summer weather to WA's southwest, with some places seeing their coldest December day in over 50 years and many already receiving more than their monthly average rainfall.

The low, which was fed by warm seas in the Indian Ocean, moved over the region on Saturday, bringing an end to the run of sunny and balmy weekends seen during November.

Residents instead had to endure a wet and windy weekend with weather more typical of August than December enticing winter clothes from the cupboard.

Perth only managed to reach 19 degrees on Saturday, 10 degrees below average and its coldest December day since 1961. Pearce also struggled to record 19 degrees, its coldest December day in 38 years of records.

On top of Friday's rain, many areas experienced further showers on Saturday, with some places in the region already reaching their December average. Albany received 40mm, more than its entire monthly average in just 24 hours and its wettest December day since 1960. Further east under thunderstorms, Lake Grace collected a massive 75mm, including 11mm in just 10 minutes.

As the low moves east today, showers will gradually clear the region, lingering about the southern coast until Monday or Tuesday.

More typical summer weather will quickly return, as temperatures push into the 30s by late next week and into the weekend.

- Weatherzone

© Weatherzone 2015

Perth was lucky we got to 14

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

UK submerged by floods. Global warming? Its so bad emergency workers have to ferry patrons to the nearest above-water pub. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03519/floods-desmond-por_3519574b.jpg

Weather event masquerades as global warming. A bit like socialists masquerading as environmentalists. 

So much snake oil...it's a wonder these warmist twats haven't drowned in it yet.

Night temperatures are rising faster than day temperatures which causes plants to emit more carbon dioxide into the air during the night. This is an accelerator effect.

http://phys.org/news/2015-12-nights-atmosphere-carbon-climate.html


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Just as warm nights make people more active, so too does it for plants. Although plants take up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, they also internally consume sugars to stay alive. That process, known as respiration, produces carbon dioxide, which plants step up in warm weather, Anderegg said. The researchers found that yearly variations in the carbon sink strongly correlated with variations in plant respiration. "When you heat up a system, biological processes tend to increase," Anderegg said. "At hotter temperatures, plant respiration rates go up and this is what's happening during hot nights. Plants lose a lot more carbon than they would during cooler nights." Previous research has shown that nighttime temperatures have risen significantly faster as a result of climate change than daytime temperatures, Anderegg said. This means that in future climate scenarios respiration rates could increase to the point that the land is putting more carbon into the atmosphere than it's taking out of it, "which would be disastrous," he said. Of course, plants consume carbon dioxide as a part of photosynthesis, during which they convert sunlight into energy. While photosynthesis also is sensitive to rises in temperature, it only happens during the day, whereas respiration occurs at all hours and thus is more sensitive to nighttime warming, Anderegg said. "Nighttime temperatures have been increasing faster than daytime temperatures and will continue to rise faster," Anderegg said. "This suggests that tropical ecosystems might be more vulnerable to climate change than previously thought, risking crossing the threshold from a carbon sink to a carbon source. But there's certainly potential for plants to acclimate their respiration rates and that's an area that needs future study."

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BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPS9eJUwAA-xIY.png

Appears that a new minimum for sea ice is portended by year to date chart.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

Night temperatures are rising faster than day temperatures which causes plants to emit more carbon dioxide into the air during the night. This is an accelerator effect. http://phys.org/news/2015-12-nights-atmosphere-carbon-climate.html

Anderegg- the 97% survey. 'We defined CE researchers as those who signed statements broadly agreeing  with or directly endorsing the primary tenets of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report that it is “very likely” that anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for “most” of the “
unequivocal” warming of the Earth’s average global temperature in the second half of the 20th century (3).

We defined UE researchers as those who have signed statements strongly dissenting from the views of the IPCC'

http://www.pnas.org/content/107/27/12107.full.pdf

So one group had to merely broadly agree, while the other had to have signed statements disagreeing with the IPCC. Skewed much?

Plants respire at night? Who knew or possibly better who didn't know.

More CO₂ due to warmer temperatures or more CO₂ due to the wide reporting of greening of the planet?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPS9eJUwAA-xIY.png

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png

Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) – Centre for Ocean and Ice

' They found the strongest association with variations in tropical nighttime temperatures, which have risen by about 0.6 degrees Celsius (33 degrees Fahrenheit) since 1959.'

http://phys.org/news/2015-12-nights-atmosphere-carbon-climate.html#jCp

This is "peer-reviewed" science, isn't it? No wonder his survey was junk. He can't do basic maths.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

respiration rates could increase to the point that the land is putting more carbon into the atmosphere

How does respiration put carbon into the atmosphere?

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:48pm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPS9eJUwAA-xIY.png Appears that a new minimum for sea ice is portended by year to date chart.

It's different for different areas of course but change is certainly afoot.

Multi-year sea-ice is of course the real problem but measuring thickness has it's problems so they say. Multi-year sea ice is the canary in the mine and people are worried about it but it too seems to have its good and bad years. Hence 30 year trends are deemed the only way to really gauge things.

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 12:28pm: respiration rates could increase to the point that the land is putting more carbon into the atmosphere How does respiration put carbon into the atmosphere?

can't you read  :o :o

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 1:48pm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPS9eJUwAA-xIY.png Appears that a new minimum for sea ice is portended by year to date chart.

secondly, I might say that it would have been nice to see the range for 2 standard deviations on this chart but yes: a record for this area is very possible.

Weird looking chart ay  :o :o :o :o

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

can't you read

Yep. Do you have cognitive dissonance? Respiration is CO₂ NOT C.

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:46pm: can't you read  Yep. Do you have cognitive dissonance? Respiration is CO2 NOT C.

lol:  are you friggin serious right now  ::) ::) ::)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:55pm:

lol:  are you friggin serious right now

Yep, please show a study that shows respiration of plants produces C; if you disagree.

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 3:55pm: lol:  are you friggin serious right now Yep, please show a study that shows respiration of plants produces C; if you disagree.

okeley dokeley  ::) ::)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

okeley dokeley

Seeing as no paper is forthcoming, I'll take it there is none.

::) ::)

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:21am:

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Funny.
How much has this NOTHING cost so far? In billions will do.

Catastrophic global warming is a hoax. The UN only wants 1 trillion dollars of our money (worldwide),by 2100. A supra- government.

' "This is  probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history", Ms Figueres stated at a press conference in Brussels.

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. '

http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally

The only way they can do that is via the UN. An unelected unrepresentative body. But hey they are well paid in the UN and it is tax-free.

'Tax exemption

Salaries, grants and allowances paid by the United Nations are normally exempt from income tax.'

https://careers.un.org/lbw/home.aspx?viewtype=SAL

So they ant us to pay increased taxes but none themselves. Good one huh?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 11:38pm: El Nino means that the east coast of Australia is to receive a colder ocean current. Whilst the west coast of South America receives a warmer current. You would probably note that Townsville, typically averaging 1200mm of rain each year, has about 300mm of rain total for the year to November. I live in Rockhampton, and we are up to about 600 to 700mm. Normally, we have these occasional storms for this time of year, when it would rain fairly heavily during these storms. But because of the colder ocean currents, the storms are not very strong, and have not amount of rainfall that could cool us down. Today, yesterday, and probably the day before that, we have been experiencing over 35 degree temperatures (maximum of 40) for this week. I have not felt at all comfortable. Especially seeing that I have to wear long pants as part of my work uniform. With the El Nino breaking down, we should see some normality come to east coast Australia. I see no reason why we could have a bumper (albeit late) start to the cyclone season. Doubt that I will see an average rainfall to get the grass growing again for this year. May have to wait until next year. link?

Look it up yourself.

Australian weather is either drought or cyclone. No middle ground.

Marla wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Australian weather is either drought or cyclone. No middle ground.

We also occasionally get flooding  ............ohh, and cyclones are limited to the north.

Marla wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Australian weather is either drought or cyclone. No middle ground.

More often than not I see decent rainfall. This year is just one of those years where it does not rain very much. We are to see some drought breaking rain over the next month, and then things should be on the improve from then onwards.

Marla wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Australian weather is either drought or cyclone. No middle ground.

Cyclones?? Oh Marla.  ;D

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http://www.ga.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0019/14374/GA9863.jpg

Bitchin'

USA experiencing a very warm start to winter.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/14/el_nino_not_global_warming_behind_east_coast_december_warmth.html


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On Sunday, the temperature in New York City’s Central Park hit 67 degrees—the warmest Dec. 13 since 1923. Manhattanites practiced yoga outdoors and ice-skated in short sleeves. The Yuletide heat wave was even more impressive elsewhere, breaking some of the longest-standing American temperature records, some dating back 142 years. Greenwood, Mississippi, hit 83 degrees. Even the self-described “icebox of America,” International Falls, Minnesota, has had a mild start to the winter season: The high temperature there has dipped below the freezing mark only once so far this month—about 20 degrees warmer than a typical first half of December. What the heck is going on? To be clear: Global warming wasn’t primarily to blame/thank for this weekend’s ridiculously warm weather. A record-breaking El Niño has shunted the jet stream far to the north, paving the way for warm air to shatter records. The lack of snow so far—that may change later on this winter—has also helped keep things warmer: Without snow on the ground, the feeble December sun can warm things up much more efficiently. Third on the list, bumping up temperatures by perhaps a couple of degrees, is global warming. (Though, recent science suggests super-strong El Niños like this one might become more common in the coming decades.) Blaming an exceptionally warm December day entirely on global warming is just as misplaced as senators seeking to use a snowball as proof against it. Climate change made this weekend’s warmth more likely, but it wasn’t the main driving force. What happens this winter will largely be up to El Niño, which has reached its peak strength in the Pacific Ocean and will soon begin to manifest itself even more strongly in U.S. weather. Judging from the latest weather model outlooks, warmth in the East isn’t going away anytime soon—we’ll have above average temperatures at least through mid-January. Monday morning’s weather models are hinting that East Coast temperatures in the 60s (and maybe even 70s) are possible again on Christmas Day. With more record-breaking likely to ensue, there’s now a zero percent chance of a White Christmas this year from Washington, D.C., to Boston. With that kind of forecast, it’s time to start planning a post-presents picnic on Christmas Day. And we should enjoy it! An El Niño like this doesn’t come along often. Though global warming will boost temperatures even more in future winters, this month’s crazy warm weather would probably have happened almost exactly the same way without it.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:19pm:

USA experiencing a very warm start to winter. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/14/el_nino_not_global_warming_behind_east_coast_december_warmth.html Quote: On Sunday, the temperature in New York City’s Central Park hit 67 degrees—the warmest Dec. 13 since 1923. Manhattanites practiced yoga outdoors and ice-skated in short sleeves. The Yuletide heat wave was even more impressive elsewhere, breaking some of the longest-standing American temperature records, some dating back 142 years. Greenwood, Mississippi, hit 83 degrees. Even the self-described “icebox of America,” International Falls, Minnesota, has had a mild start to the winter season: The high temperature there has dipped below the freezing mark only once so far this month—about 20 degrees warmer than a typical first half of December. What the heck is going on? To be clear: Global warming wasn’t primarily to blame/thank for this weekend’s ridiculously warm weather. A record-breaking El Niño has shunted the jet stream far to the north, paving the way for warm air to shatter records. The lack of snow so far—that may change later on this winter—has also helped keep things warmer: Without snow on the ground, the feeble December sun can warm things up much more efficiently. Third on the list, bumping up temperatures by perhaps a couple of degrees, is global warming. (Though, recent science suggests super-strong El Niños like this one might become more common in the coming decades.) Blaming an exceptionally warm December day entirely on global warming is just as misplaced as senators seeking to use a snowball as proof against it. Climate change made this weekend’s warmth more likely, but it wasn’t the main driving force. What happens this winter will largely be up to El Niño, which has reached its peak strength in the Pacific Ocean and will soon begin to manifest itself even more strongly in U.S. weather. Judging from the latest weather model outlooks, warmth in the East isn’t going away anytime soon—we’ll have above average temperatures at least through mid-January. Monday morning’s weather models are hinting that East Coast temperatures in the 60s (and maybe even 70s) are possible again on Christmas Day. With more record-breaking likely to ensue, there’s now a zero percent chance of a White Christmas this year from Washington, D.C., to Boston. With that kind of forecast, it’s time to start planning a post-presents picnic on Christmas Day. And we should enjoy it! An El Niño like this doesn’t come along often. Though global warming will boost temperatures even more in future winters, this month’s crazy warm weather would probably have happened almost exactly the same way without it.

So what caused the warm December day in 1923??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

So what caused the warm December day in 1923??

The sun. Gizmo, you are one dimensional; thick!

Deniers are getting hotter under the collar. The temperature's rising:


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Adelaide's air-conditioned central bus station will stay open around the clock as the city swelters through a heatwave. The mercury reached 41.1C in Adelaide on Wednesday, and the Bureau of Meteorology says the temperature won't fall below 40C until a mild change on Sunday. Lord Mayor Martin Haese says the Franklin St station will stay open for 24 hours to offer relief from the heat. The temperature in Adelaide is set to reach 40C on Thursday, with severe fire danger forecast for the northwest pastoral, lower southeast and Mount Lofty Ranges districts. Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/12/16/03/37/extreme-heat-warning-for-sa#AuqGvigs4XHQARhV.99

The temperature's rising:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/12/14/record-warmth-december-heat/77287646/


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A freakish December heat wave has shattered more than 1,000 high temperature records in the central and eastern U.S. so far this month, and after a brief weekend cool-down, the warmth will likely return in time for Christmas. "Another big surge of warmth is in store for the week of Christmas in the eastern U.S.," AccuWeather meteorologist Paul Pastelok said. "A number of locations in the East could be looking at highs well into the 60s to near 70 on Christmas Day." This does not bode well for folks in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic dreaming of a white Christmas, nor for ski areas that depend on both natural and man-made snow for their business. As of Monday, only 3% of the Northeast was snow-covered, compared with 81% on this date last year, according to the National Weather Service. Of the dozens of Northeast and Mid-Atlantic ski areas listed on the Ski Central website, only a handful are open, mainly in far northern New England. Buffalo remained snowless on Monday, marking the longest the city has gone in a snow season without receiving its first measurable snow, weather.com reported.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 6:56pm: So what caused the warm December day in 1923?? The sun. Gizmo, you are one dimensional; thick!

So, the Sun is the cause now, obviously...

How high will it go? We're having a heat wave:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/17/melbourne-braces-for-heatwave-as-temperatures-set-to-hit-40c-on-saturday


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The temperature in Melbourne could reach 40C as Victoria braces for its hottest December day in five years and the government warns of the dangers and death toll associated with extreme heat. The temperature is forecast to reach 39C in Melbourne on Saturday, but the Bureau of Meteorology has said it could tip over the 40C mark if the expected clouds dissipate. Extreme heat warning for South Australia, with temperatures hitting 42C The city is expected to reach 35C on Thursday and 36C on Friday and remain warm overnight, before cooling again on Monday. Adelaide is already in the grips of a heatwave and is forecast to swelter through three more days of higher than 40C – 42C on Thursday, 41C on Friday and 42C on Saturday – before dropping to 30C on Sunday.

Yes - it's very hot in Melbourne.

hopefully it will go away & we won't get another one for a while.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Yes - it's very hot in Melbourne. hopefully it will go away & we won't get another one for a while.

A bit to go before breaking Melbourne record of 46.4^oC.

What did we ever do before Wikipedia recorded how miserable we can be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2009_southeastern_Australia_heat_wave


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Early 2009 southeastern Australia heat wave From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Early 2009 southeastern Australia heat wave 09 Aus heatwave map.PNG Approximate affected area shown in red Dates      25 January – 9 February 2009 (16 days) Areas affected      South Australia, Victoria, Southern New South Wales, Northern Tasmania, ACT Highest daily maximum      48.8 °C (119.8 °F) Hopetoun, Victoria Reported casualties      374 deaths[1] 2,000+ treated for heat-related effects The early 2009 southeastern Australia heat wave was a heat wave that commenced in late January and led to record-breaking prolonged high temperatures in the region. The heat wave is considered one of the, if not the, most extreme in the region's history.[2] During the heat wave, fifty separate locations set various records for consecutive, highest daytime and overnight temperatures. The highest temperature recorded during the heat wave was 48.8 °C (119.8 °F) in Hopetoun, Victoria, a record for the state.[3] Many locations through the region recorded all-time high temperatures including capital cities Adelaide, which reached its third-highest temperature, 45.7 °C (114.3 °F), and Melbourne, which recorded its highest ever temperature on record, 46.4 °C (115.5 °F). Both cities broke records for the most consecutive days over 40 °C (104 °F), while Mildura, Victoria recorded an all-time record twelve consecutive days over 43 °C (109 °F). The exceptional heat wave was caused by a slow moving high-pressure system that settled over the Tasman Sea, with a combination of an intense tropical low located off the North West Australian coast and a monsoon trough over Northern Australia, which produced ideal conditions for hot tropical air to be directed down over southeastern Australia.[3] The heat began in South Australia on 25 January but became more widespread over southeast Australia by 27 January. A weak cool change moved over the southern coastal areas bringing some relief on 30 January,[3] including Melbourne, where the change arrived that evening, dropping temperatures to an average of 30.8 °C (87.4 °F). Higher temperatures returned on the following weekend with Melbourne recording its hottest day since records began in 1855, 46.4 °C (115.5 °F), also the highest temperature ever recorded in an Australian capital city.[4] The heat wave generated extreme fire conditions during the peak of the 2008-09 Australian bushfire season, causing many bushfires in the affected region, contributing to the extreme bushfire conditions on 7 February, also known as the Black Saturday bushfires, which claimed 173 lives in Victoria.[5] Ten months after this heat wave, a second struck the same region in November 2009.

The temperature's rising.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-18/adelaide-braces-heatwave-man-remains-critical-with-heatstroke/7039444


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An apprentice is in a coma after collapsing on a work site during the worst heatwave on record in Adelaide during the month of December. Travis Mellor, 17, was into just his third day of work when he was rushed unconscious to hospital in an ambulance due to a heat stroke. He is believed to have just started a carpentry apprenticeship and was working on an eastern suburbs building site. The hot spell in Adelaide is tipped to officially become a heatwave today if the city reaches more than 40C for the third consecutive day. It has already reached 37C and is tipped to spike at 42C this afternoon. Adelaide forecast: Friday - Very hot, partly cloudy, 42C Saturday - Very hot, partly cloudy, 43C Sunday - Morning shower or two, 27C Monday - Partly cloudy, 27C Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) state secretary Aaron Cartledge said Mr Mellor was drifting in and out of coma and his family feared he could face long-term health issues. "He's facing a real battle at the moment, some serious medical issues that are facing him, things like issues with his kidneys at the moment," he said. "He also looks like he's got a lung infection." The CFMEU said heatstroke was a serious condition that could cause lifelong injuries. It said there had been cases of paralysis in Queensland workers as a result of heat stroke. Be prepared for the heat Heatwaves kill far more people than other natural disasters. Adequate preparation is essential, especially for people at high risk such as the elderly and young children. ABC Emergency has a checklist of things you can do to be ready. Mr Cartledge said employers needed to understand their obligations not to put workers at risk in extreme heat. "It is utter negligence that his employer did not make a decision to stop work when the temperature had reached 41.5 degrees," he said. "Travis is still a child, who had no idea of the danger of toiling in those kinds of conditions." Adelaide's temperature reached 42.9C on Thursday afternoon and dropped to 23C overnight, although Coober Pedy and Woomera, in the state's north, both experienced a much hotter minimum of 29C. BoM's definition of a heatwave for Adelaide is five consecutive days with maximum temperatures at or above 35C or three consecutive days at or above 40C. Adelaide has never before recorded a run of four days above 40C in December, with Saturday tipped to peak at 43C before a change on Sunday is expected to reduce maximums to 27C. South Australia BoM acting regional director John Nairn yesterday said it was a sign of climate change. Mark Anolak from Bureau of Meteorology said SA was is in the grip of a nasty front. "Currently the high over the Tasman Sea is really stationary and that's resulting in hot, dry northerly winds across South Australia."

New record in South Australia, 4 consecutive days over 40^oC.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/12/19/08/08/south-australia-heatwave-set-to-peak-at-a-record-breaking-44c-in-adelaide


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South Australia’s heatwave is set to peak today, with temperatures expected to hit 44ºC in Adelaide and the SES urging people to stay safe. The heatwave broke a record when temperatures hit 40ºC in Adelaide about 11am (ACDT) today, securing the city's first ever run of four days above 40º C in December. The previous record was three days. More than 100 people have been admitted to hospital for heat-related issues over the past few days, including an apprentice carpenter who collapsed on a building site on Wednesday and remained in a coma yesterday. Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/12/19/08/08/south-australia-heatwave-set-to-peak-at-a-record-breaking-44c-in-adelaide#yH07jCeeyrBcZjcM.99

'12 January 1939 Heatwave
Alison Painter

12 January 1939    Heatwave

On 12 January 1939 Adelaide recorded its highest maximum temperature ever when the mercury reached 117.7° Fahrenheit or 47.6° Celsius, surpassing the old record of 116.3°F in 1858. For 14 days, from New Year's Eve until 13 January, the city sweltered, with nine days over the century. Fires raged through the Adelaide hills on 10 January with most damage done at Heathfield and through Crafers, Aldgate and the National Park at Belair. Twenty houses were destroyed and many hundreds of sheep and cattle killed. The hottest spot in the State was Kyancutta where a top temperature of 120.7°F or 49.2°C was recorded.
This heatwave was worse than the period of 11 days of record temperatures experienced in February 1930. Then the temperature was over the century on seven days with the average being 100.5°F. It was the second longest spell of over 90°F heat for 73 years. Prior to this the hottest day for February was 113.6°F in 1899. Fortunately there was no report of bushfires in the 1930 spell.

Advertiser, 10 February 1930 15, 13 February 1930, p. 30.
Tom Dyster, Pump in the Roadway, Investigator Press ,1980, pp. 143-146.
Advertiser, 10 January 1994, p. 10.'

http://www.sahistorians.org.au/175/chronology/january/12-january-1939-heatwave.shtml

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Heatwaves kill far more people than other natural disasters

In Australia, perhaps. 

'Cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analyzing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries. The findings, published in The Lancet, also reveal that deaths due to moderately hot or cold weather substantially exceed those resulting from extreme heat waves or cold spells.'

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150520193831.htm

lee wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 12:19pm: Heatwaves kill far more people than other natural disasters In Australia, perhaps.  'Cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analyzing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries. The findings, published in The Lancet, also reveal that deaths due to moderately hot or cold weather substantially exceed those resulting from extreme heat waves or cold spells.' http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150520193831.htm

Tell that to the kid in a coma in Adelaide that he is lucky it wasn't cold or he'd be dead.

"The next three months are going to be roasting."

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-australias-hot-weather-is-bad-for-our-economy/news-story/7f5d5b54f0079204082bc1aa47c35c31


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And the heat is on. The Bureau of Meteorology says our last three springs have been our warmest on record. This El Niño is a strong one and it is at its peak. The next three months are going to be roasting.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

Tell that to the kid in a coma in Adelaide that he is lucky it wasn't cold or he'd be dead.

Ah, you confuse ONE with a large number? I feel sorry for him and his family, however it doesn't change facts.

The present heat waves portends a roasting hot summer for Australia as the centre warms up and the heat spreads. Melbourne is one week way from longest day and the temperature for January, February and possibly March will be fierce.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

The present heat waves portends a roasting hot summer for Australia as the centre warms up and the heat spreads. Melbourne is one week way from longest day and the temperature for January, February and possibly March will be fierce.

Don't you just love long term projections, when anything more than 5 days out is problematic?

A new record December minimum 28.6 degrees.

[urlhttp://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cool-change-expected-after-warmest-night-in-a-decade-20151219-glrq9b.html#ixzz3uodvIl4H[/url]


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Victoria's heatwave has set a new record with the Bureau of Meteorology recording a minimum of 28.5 degrees at Moorabbin Airport - making it Melbourne's warmest December night. ... Saturday's balmy night came close to equalling the hottest ever summer night on January 15, 2014, when a minimum of 28.6 degrees was recorded at Moorabbin Airport. Regional Victoria also sweated through the hot night with Bendigo breaking its previous record for December with a minimum of 29 degrees. "The previous record was in 1990 and 25.5 degrees so they smashed that one," Mr Stewart said.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

A new record December minimum 28.6 degrees. [urlhttp://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cool-change-expected-after-warmest-night-in-a-decade-20151219-glrq9b.html#ixzz3uodvIl4H[/url] Quote: Victoria's heatwave has set a new record with the Bureau of Meteorology recording a minimum of 28.5 degrees at Moorabbin Airport - making it Melbourne's warmest December night. ... Saturday's balmy night came close to equalling the hottest ever summer night on January 15, 2014, when a minimum of 28.6 degrees was recorded at Moorabbin Airport. Regional Victoria also sweated through the hot night with Bendigo breaking its previous record for December with a minimum of 29 degrees. "The previous record was in 1990 and 25.5 degrees so they smashed that one," Mr Stewart said.

A new record? At an airport? Jet engines, tarmac - colour me surprised.

Poms are roasting in sizzling winter morning temperature of 17oC.


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A HEATWAVE the likes of which have never been seen before in Surrey in any December has seen dawn temperatures as high as 17C (63F) this morning - hotter than many a July day. In Tolworth Broadway, the temperature at 7.20am was a balmy 17C; in Hook it was 16.5C; in Chessington, 15.5C and in Leatherhead 15C (59F). The average for this time of year at dawn is about 2C or 3C (35F). Winds from the Azores are responsible, say weathermen. In Tolworth Broadway, a newsagent at Tolworth News next door to Radio Jackie's offices had his front door wide open. Outside a billboard advertised a new book, Fireside Tales of Tolworth, but no fires were likely to be lit in Surrey today as people found no need for any heating in their homes in the summerlike conditions. In Reigate, temperatures at 7am were 14C and at Gatwick, also 14C. Heathrow was 15C at 7am. Read more:http://www.dorkingandleatherheadadvertiser.co.uk/Incredible-heatwave-Leatherhead-Tolworth-Reigate/story-28394151-detail/story.html#ixzz3uoftlvhK

My Country

The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold -
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land -
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand -
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.


Dorothea Mackellar

(Written in 1904)

December overnight minimum smashes previous record by 2 degrees.


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Victoria's heatwave has set a new record with the Bureau of Meteorology recording a minimum of 28.5 degrees at Moorabbin Airport - making it Melbourne's warmest December night. Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Dean Stewart said the previous overnight high was 26.3 degrees on December 7 1994. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cool-change-expected-after-warmest-night-in-a-decade-20151219-glrq9b.html#ixzz3uoh59izp

https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/noaa-1.jpg

No one disputes that its getting warmer.

But since 1998 more than a third of all manmade CO2 has gone up into the atmosphere but temperatures have remained more or less stable.

So where is the correlation that more CO2 increases temperature......????

CO2 is drastically rising yet temperatures are stable.

That leaves you with your cock in your hands when arguing about the correlation of CO2 and temperature.

The reality is temperature controls the amount of CO2 that is released into the atmosphere.

Going back millions of years in our history CO2 has never controlled temperature, even when we had 20 times more CO2 in our atmosphere.

CO2 may contribute to warming but it does not control the temperature at a mere 0.0004 parts of the atmosphere.

http://i65.tinypic.com/r1gzlk.png

Ajax wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

No one disputes that its getting warmer. But since 1998 more than a third of all manmade CO2 has gone up into the atmosphere but temperatures have remained more or less stable. So where is the correlation that more CO2 increases temperature......???? CO2 is drastically rising yet temperatures are stable. That leaves you with your cock in your hands when arguing about the correlation of CO2 and temperature. The reality is temperature controls the amount of CO2 that is released into the atmosphere. Going back millions of years in our history CO2 has never controlled temperature, even when we had 20 times more CO2 in our atmosphere. CO2 may contribute to warming but it does not control the temperature at a mere 0.0004 parts of the atmosphere. http://i65.tinypic.com/r1gzlk.png

The chart below gives lie to the claims of no temperature rise.

2015 is a stand-out year and 2016 is predicted to be even hotter.

https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/noaa-1.jpg

where are you getting these graphs from....?

Ajax wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

where are you getting these graphs from....?

Its from NOAA.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/2015-a-very-bad-year-for-the-global-warming-policy-foundation/

Ajax wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

But since 1998 more than a third of all manmade CO2 has gone up into the atmosphere but temperatures have remained more or less stable.

Only if you blatantly cherry pick your data to start at 1998 and then ignore 2014 and 2015.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 12:15pm: where are you getting these graphs from....? Its from NOAA. https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/10/23/2015-a-very-bad-year-for-the-global-warming-policy-foundation/

how sure are they...???

http://i65.tinypic.com/11r93bt.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915061/Nasa-climate-scientists-said-2014-warmest-year-record-38-sure-right.html

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 12:04pm: But since 1998 more than a third of all manmade CO2 has gone up into the atmosphere but temperatures have remained more or less stable. Only if you blatantly cherry pick your data to start at 1998 and then ignore 2014 and 2015.

I cant find latest figures but I will be searching for those, rest assured when I find them I will stick them in your nose.... :)

Ajax wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 12:24pm: Ajax wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 12:04pm: But since 1998 more than a third of all manmade CO2 has gone up into the atmosphere but temperatures have remained more or less stable. Only if you blatantly cherry pick your data to start at 1998 and then ignore 2014 and 2015. I cant find latest figures but I will be searching for those, rest assured when I find them I will stick them in your nose.... :)

If you extract them from your usual source that is a health risk.

Try the Sydney Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/you-think-this-year-is-hot-2016-may-break-annual-global-heat-records-again-20151217-glqgrr.html

The chart below indicates that the tipping point may now be behind us.

http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/11_24_15_Andrea_CC_2015attribution_720_405_s_c1_c_c.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/33ogm8k.jpg

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Its from NOAA.

Still stuck on the Karl et al paper that NOAA/NASA/GISS use to adjust temperatures. ;)

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

The chart below indicates that the tipping point may now be behind us.

http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/11_24_15_Andrea_CC_2015attribution_720_405_s_c1_c_c.jpg

Why does the CO2 Equivalent and Natural seem to stop about 2005?

If CO2 equivalent is man made emissions; why is it at the same level as CO2E + Natural? Natural CO2 is a large part of emissions.

Why is CO2 Equivalent + Natural below CO2 Equivalent alone?

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

Why is CO2 Equivalent + Natural below CO2 Equivalent alone?

While lee is scratching his head the rest of us are burning up.

Your answer:


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The gray line on this graph shows observed surface temperatures from 1880 to 2015. The red line shows the effective temperature forcing of greenhouse gases and aerosols (converted to CO2), and the blue line shows the forcing from both those manmade sources and natural factors, like solar radiation. Early on in the temperature record, the red and blue lines diverge because natural factors meant the full impact of greenhouse gases on temperatures wasn't being felt, but in recent years, the two lines match closely, showing how much greenhouse gases are dominating global temperatures. 2015 is slightly above the red line because of a small push from El Niño as well as even smaller contributions from solar radiation and random weather variations.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

lee wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 2:08pm: Why is CO2 Equivalent + Natural below CO2 Equivalent alone? While lee is scratching his head the rest of us are burning up. Your answer: Quote: The gray line on this graph shows observed surface temperatures from 1880 to 2015. The red line shows the effective temperature forcing of greenhouse gases and aerosols (converted to CO2), and the blue line shows the forcing from both those manmade sources and natural factors, like solar radiation. Early on in the temperature record, the red and blue lines diverge because natural factors meant the full impact of greenhouse gases on temperatures wasn't being felt, but in recent years, the two lines match closely, showing how much greenhouse gases are dominating global temperatures. 2015 is slightly above the red line because of a small push from El Niño as well as even smaller contributions from solar radiation and random weather variations.

So  temperatures from CO2 Equivalent and Natural emissions fall below CO2 Equivalent emissions alone.

Northern Hemisphere winter has not yet appeared. Looks like December 2015 will be warmest ever on record all around the world. Currently averaging 8^oF higher than average. This is a big jump.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/19/christmas-will-be-far-from-white-as-record-heat-wave-continues/


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Dreaming of a white Christ­mas? Fuhgeddaboudit! After a chilly weekend, record-challenging warmth will return to the Big Apple — with a flow of warm, moist air from the South. Some rain is expected this week, including on a balmy Christmas Eve with an expected high of 66. And it’s beginning to look a lot like a sunny Christmas Day with a high of 53, says AccuWeather. The warmest Big Apple December on record was an average 44.1 degrees in 2001. As of Friday, this December’s average has been near 52.

Arctic temperature reaches a record high:

http://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/12_15_15_Andrea_CC_ArcticReportCard_annualtemp_oct2014-sep2015_500_558_s_c1_c_c.jpg

http://thesource.com/2015/12/20/arctic-temperature-reaches-record-high/


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ARCTIC TEMPERATURE REACHES RECORD HIGH KIAH FIELDS  DECEMBER 20, 2015 The Arctic recently received its annual check up by an international team of scientists and the results were not positive. It appears that the region continues to be one of the fast warming regions on the globe. From October 2014 to September 2015, the Arctic has had its highest recorded average temperature since 1900, as the planet as a whole approaches its warmest year on record. This accelerated heating can result in downward spiraling of sea ice coverage, melting of Greenland’s Ice Sheet and reduced summer snow coverage. This change has a devastating effect on some species in this region and will most likely lead to more shipping and oil searching in the Arctic. Outside of the Arctic, this natural phenomenon can lead to raised water levels and unusual weather patterns. Kit Kovacs of the Biodiversity Research Program of the Norwegian Polar Institute states that, “The impact of the persistent warming trend of over 30 years are clearly evident in land and ocean environments”. Given projections of further warming, the Earth is expected to experience major changes in the Arctic over the next decade. The Arctic has been warming at a rate twice the speed of that of the entire planet. This change has effected the sea ice coverage this year which was lower than ever before. This warming and melting of sea ice is caused by the greenhouse gases that are trapped in the atmosphere. In the video below, you can see the effects of global warming and that it is much more than a myth. We all should have taken Al Gore and his advice a little more seriously at the turn of the millennium.

https://youtu.be/Fw7GfNR5PLA

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Arctic temperature reaches a record high:

How did they work out Arctic temperatures back to 1900? How many stations? What size error bars?

Wowee! USA winter heat wave. 6000 high temperature records broken across USA. Record high maximums and record high minimums.

1000 more records expected to be broken by end of December.

http://mashable.com/2015/12/21/warm-christmas-eve-east-coast/#h0EathrABEqG


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An unusual, long-lasting weather pattern will lead to the warmest Christmas Eve on record for many locations east of the Mississippi River on Thursday, as the planet as a whole barrels toward the milestone of its warmest year on record. By the end of this week, it's likely that hundreds more warm temperature records will have fallen across the United States, adding to December's already impressive tally of about 6,000 warm temperature records (record highs and record warm lows). In Washington, D.C., the high temperature may exceed 70 degrees Fahrenheit on Christmas Eve — about 30 degrees Fahrenheit above average for the date. Mild temperatures in the mid-to-upper 60s could make it all the way north to upstate New York and northern Michigan before a cold front causes temperatures to fall off toward more seasonable levels by late on Friday. In addition to these locations, Atlanta, Raleigh and Tampa are likely to set new temperature milestones on Christmas Eve, according to Weather Underground. Christmas Day looks to be warmest across the Southeast, with records falling in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and other locations, while the Northeast cools off compared to Christmas Eve's balminess, but remains warmer-than-average. Many cities are on pace to have their warmest December on record, including Boston, Burlington, Vermont, New York City and Portland, Maine. A map showing the departures from average of temperatures so far this month shows-off-the-charts warmth has enveloped much of the eastern tier of the country, with average temperature anomalies exceeding 9 degrees Fahrenheit. (The anomalies on the map only go up to 8 degrees Fahrenheit, since monthly anomalies rarely exceed that margin.) In another sign of the mild start to the winter, some cities have set records for their latest first measurable snowfall. In Buffalo, New York, where it usually starts snowing by late October to early November, the first measurable snow of this winter did not arrive until Dec. 18. In Buffalo, New York, where it usually starts snowing by late October to early November, the first measurable snow of this winter did not arrive until Dec. 18. Before this, the latest first snow in Buffalo was on Dec. 3, 1899. Even more locations, including Albany, New York, and Worcester, Massachusetts, are likely to set similar records, assuming it does not snow prior to Dec. 24, Weather.com reported. According to preliminary data from the National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) in Asheville, North Carolina, 2,643 record daily highs were tied or broken across the U.S. through Dec. 19. In addition, 3,720 record-warm daily low temperatures have been set or tied during the same period. Adding those two figures together for an overall warm temperature records total means there have already been 6,363 warm temperature records so far this month. It's conceivable that this will climb by at least another 1,000 warm temperature records by the end of the holiday week.

Two scorchers here then it's back to the trackies... and we were hotter for those two days than up the coast....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Two scorchers here then it's back to the trackies... and we were hotter for those two days than up the coast....

Two scorchers here in Perth, then back to 27 degrees.

More records broken. This time Tasmania where two heads are better than one.

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/tasmania-celebrates-christmas-with-a-scorcher/news-story/a5d2d64044268f1af28a8e9a16c4365b


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IT’S the hottest Christmas Day on record but that hasn’t stopped Hobartians from celebrating the day in many different ways. The temperature hit a high of 36C at 2.25pm, smashing the previous Christmas Day record of 34.3 set in 1945. It was only the seventh time in more than 100 years that Christmas Day in Hobart had reached more than 30C and the first time since 1989.

Meanwhile one-headed former Tasmanians now called Victorians (or Tassie Unicorns), and crow-stoning South Australians had it tough as well:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/heat-records-smashed-in-december-heatwave/7050606


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The weather bureau has confirmed a heatwave in the country's south-east last week and into the weekend smashed several hot weather records in South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania. In a special climate statement, issued on Wednesday, the bureau said the most intense phase of the heatwave began building mid last week as a high pressure system in the Tasman Sea directed hot north-easterly winds inland, spreading extreme heat over much of the country's south-east on Friday and into the weekend. The hottest temperatures were recorded in South Australia's Spencer Gulf on December 19, with Port Augusta reaching 47.2 degrees Celsius, Whyalla recording 45.8C and Port Pirie hitting 45.6C. The temperature in the South Australian capital Adelaide, and surrounding areas, reached 40C every day from December 16 to December 19, marking the first time four consecutive days of 40C or above had been recorded in the city in December. Victoria's highest temperatures were recorded in the state's west, with Avalon Airport, reaching 45C, while nearby Geelong recorded its hottest ever December day of 44C. Temperatures also exceeded 44C at a number of locations in the state's Wimmera region. As well as numerous records being set for the hottest December daytime temperatures, there were also record high minimums, with areas of western Victoria and northern Tasmania enduring their hottest December night on record from Saturday evening into Sunday morning. In Victoria's north-west, Mildura set a record for the state's hottest ever overnight temperature of 31.9C.

100 homes destroyed by Bush fire in Victoria.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/75463165/Victoria-bushfires-Towns-evacuated-as-fire-hits-coast-homes


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More than a hundred houses have been confirmed destroyed have been lost in the fires that has swept through the popular Surf Coast holiday towns of Wye River and Separation Creek in Victoria, Australia. Eighty-five homes were burnt down in Wye River and a further 18 were destroyed in Separation Creek, bringing the total to 103, nearly twice the number originally feared.. "Our thoughts go out to the people who have lost homes in Separation Creek and Wye River and our personnel are working around the clock to bring this fire under control," Victoria's Emergency Management Commissioner Craig Lapsley said. Lorne was evacuated on Christmas Day, amid fears a south-westerly wind change would turn the fire front on the town on Christmas night. On Boxing Day, the evacuation order for Lorne was lifted and the Great Ocean Road was reopened between the town and Torquay, allowing thousands of holidaymakers and residents to return to the Surf Coast over the holiday season.  Lapsley said the immediate fire threat had eased, but the fire would continue to burn "for weeks".

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 26^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

100 homes destroyed by Bush fire in Victoria. http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/75463165/Victoria-bushfires-Towns-evacuat...

Nothing about a heat wave.

WA hottest place on earth yesterday 45.1^oC December 28, 2015:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30453158/nowhere-hotter-than-here-in-wa/


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WA was the hottest place on Earth yesterday, as Perth recorded its warmest December day for three years — and Geraldton Airport topped the global temperature scale when it reached a blazing 45.1C. As towns all over the State broke the 40C mark, sweltering holidaymakers made a beeline for beaches and cinemas — while backyard pools were also popular — in a bid for any relief from the heat.

North pole set for December heat wave:

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/12/29/north-pole-set-for-december-heatwave/


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Monster storm over Iceland likely to push warm air over Arctic, sending temperatures soaring from -30C to freezing Santa would be advised to keep his clothes on, but the mercury is set to rocket at the North Pole on Wednesday. It’s down to what is being variously described as a ‘freak’, ‘monster’ or ‘bomb’ storm in the Atlantic above Iceland. Winds over 230 miles per hour are set to rip across the North Atlantic, gaining power from other storms in the vicinity. As Mashable’s Andrew Freedman explains here, this will have a number of effects. One will be to shower the UK with yet more rain, exacerbating flooding in the north of the country. The other will be to “pump mild air” up to the polar regions. “This temperature spike could influence the ice buildup during the winter, which is becoming more critical now that global warming is melting so much sea ice during the spring, summer and fall months,” he writes. Jason Samenow at the Washington Post puts it in even starker terms. “It’s as if a bomb went off. And, in fact, it did. The exploding storm acts a remarkably efficient heat engine, drawing warm air from the tropics to the top of the Earth,” he says. As meteorologist Ryan Maue points out below, this ‘heatwave’ is all relative. But it’s an extraordinary way for a a year packed with record-breaking weather events to end.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 30^th, 2015 at 3:20pm:

North pole set for December heat wave: http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/12/29/north-pole-set-for-december-heatwave... Quote: Monster storm over Iceland likely to push warm air over Arctic, sending temperatures soaring from -30C to freezing

Weather affects temperature; who knew?

October and November record hot months. December is horrendous and will smash former records giving a huge step change for 2015 average temperature compared to other years.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/19/us/october-temperatures-two-degrees/index.html


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The list of superlatives for the month is staggering: -- the warmest October ever observed (in 136 years of NOAA records), -- the warmest month ever compared to average (out of 1,630 months), -- the sixth consecutive month breaking a global temperature record, and -- seven of the 10 warmest months have occurred in 2015. The NOAA data is backed up by similar data sets maintained by NASA and the Japan Meteorological Agency, which also ranked October as the hottest month on record compared to average. All of this virtually guarantees that 2015 will rank as the warmest year overall, breaking the record that was set just last year.

lee wrote on Dec 30^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 30th, 2015 at 3:20pm: North pole set for December heat wave: http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/12/29/north-pole-set-for-december-heatwave... Quote: Monster storm over Iceland likely to push warm air over Arctic, sending temperatures soaring from -30C to freezing Weather affects temperature; who knew?

Please don't thank me. I am currently not accepting applications from aspiring disciples.

See chart below and observe temperature change leap for 2014-2015. Its going to be even higher after the December 2015 figures are included. The figures on the left axis are deviations from 1951-1980 baseline in hundredths of ^oC.

https://agenda.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NASA_GISS_OCTOBER_2015.jpg

Aiieee, the El Nino is upon us. We're doomed.

Its looking bad. The 2015 curve will kick upwards for December because the Northern Hemisphere was warmer than normal.

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/global/2015/nov/horserace-201511.png

Oh, no. we're even more doomed.

lee wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:35am:

Oh, no. we're even more doomed.

We're fried.

We will know in the next few days what the outcome for December is which should be a horrendous new record temperature.

Blame it on AGW? Blame it on El Nino? Blame it on the Bossanova?

Whatever the cause, 20166 is looking like an even higher record year.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:41am:

Blame it on AGW? Blame it on El Nino? Blame it on the Bossanova? Whatever the cause, 20166 is looking like an even higher record year.

Blame it all on the Karl et al temperature reconstructions used by NASA/NOAA/GISS with some help from El Nino.

lee wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:43am:

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 31st, 2015 at 10:41am: Blame it on AGW? Blame it on El Nino? Blame it on the Bossanova? Whatever the cause, 20166 is looking like an even higher record year. Blame it all on the Karl et al temperature reconstructions used by NASA/NOAA/GISS with some help from El Nino.

So Karl et al is causing all the heat waves and melting ice and permafrost by manipulating mathematics and algorithms to make the world feel hotter than it is?

How can the fiends Karl et al be stopped before our goose is cooked?

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 10:48am:

So Karl et al is causing all the heat waves and melting ice and permafrost by manipulating mathematics and algorithms to make the world feel hotter than it is?

What part of El Nino didn't you understand? Heat waves are a fact of life, they weren't brought about by CAGW. If you find any evidence of melting permafrost, model studies don't count; please let us know.
Apart from which it has been warming since the Ice Age, with cooler periods occasionally. What do you think is the earth's optimum temperature? At the poles, at the equator, at mid latitudes.

Temperature's rising under the collars of deniers:

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/freak-heatwave-pushes-winter-north-pole-above-freezing-1260928


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MONTREAL:  Temperatures at the North Pole rose above freezing point today, 20 degrees Celsius above the mid-winter norm and the latest abnormality in a season of extreme weather events. Canadian weather authorities blamed the temperature spike on the freak depression which has already brought record Christmas temperatures to North America and lashed Britain with winds and floods. The deep low pressure area is currently looming over Iceland and churning up hurricane force 75-knot winds and 30-foot waves in the north Atlantic while dragging warm air northwards. "It's a very violent and extremely powerful depression, so it's not surprising that hot temperatures have been pushed so far north," said Canadian government meteorologist Nathalie Hasell. "This deep depression has pushed hot air as far as the North Pole, where temperatures are at least 20 degrees above normal, at around freezing point, between zero and two degrees," she said. US scientists from the North Pole Environmental Observatory told AFP that the temperatures had climbed suddenly. An Arctic monitoring point 180 miles (300 kilometers) from the Pole that had been recording minus 37 degrees on Monday had shot up to minus eight by Wednesday, said senior researcher James Morison. The polar region is the area of the world that has seen the most profound effects of climate change in recent decades. Average year-round temperatures in the Arctic are three degrees Celsius higher than they were in the pre-industrial era, snowfall is heavier, winds are stronger and the ice sheet has been shrinking for 30 years. El Nino It would be too hasty, however, to pin this week's extreme weather directly on the man-made climate change phenomenon, rather than on a discreet anomaly. Hasell said that Canada has not kept complete records of North Pole weather but that it was nonetheless "bizarre" to see such high temperatures on the ice pack in the middle of its long night. After tormenting the North Atlantic, the depression is expected to head towards Russia's Siberia, where the inhabitants can expect a heatwave of sorts. In Canada, the capital of the Nunavut territory of the native Inuit, Iqaluit, celebrated a relatively balmy Christmas when temperatures rose to minus 4.6 degrees -- up from an average of minus 21. Baffin Island, better known for its snow and ice, experienced unheard of rainfall in December, said David Phillips of Canada's Environment Ministry. "It's doubtless the El Nino effect, venturing further north," he told AFP, referring to a tropical Pacific weather phenomenon that reoccurs every four to seven years in more southerly climes. The 2015 El Nino is regarded as perhaps the most powerful in a century and, combined with the effects of climate change, it has generated storms, flood and droughts in Central America and beyond. Dozens of Americans were killed in rare, late season tornados in the southern United States before Christmas, and then the hot El Nino air was dragged north along the Atlantic coast bringing T-shirt weather to normally frigid cities.

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 31^st, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Temperature's rising under the collars of deniers:

Yeah, North Pole, Alaska. Zipcode 99705. About 2800km from the actual North Pole.

Or perhaps the buoy AXIB currently approx 326 km from the North Pole.

Ajax wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

http://i66.tinypic.com/33ogm8k.jpg

Got a source for that graph?

THANX!

;)

Ajax wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

No one disputes that its getting warmer. But since 1998 more than a third of all manmade CO2 has gone up into the atmosphere but temperatures have remained more or less stable. So where is the correlation that more CO2 increases temperature......???? CO2 is drastically rising yet temperatures are stable. That leaves you with your cock in your hands when arguing about the correlation of CO2 and temperature. The reality is temperature controls the amount of CO2 that is released into the atmosphere. Going back millions of years in our history CO2 has never controlled temperature, even when we had 20 times more CO2 in our atmosphere. CO2 may contribute to warming but it does not control the temperature at a mere 0.0004 parts of the atmosphere. http://i65.tinypic.com/r1gzlk.png

- it's called phase change: the ice is melting!

I'm not saying its hot; but Canberra has just had 10 days in a row > 30C.

Translation for closet poms: It aint arf ot mum.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-10/record-breaking-canberra-heatwave-set-to-continue/7237784


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Hot weather: Canberra breaks record for longest run of 30 degree-plus March days Posted Thu at 1:31pm Canberra has sweated through the longest stretch of 30 degree-plus March days since 1983, and the late heatwave is expected to continue. Thursday was the 10th day in a row to see the temperature break into the 30s, and Bureau of Meteorology senior climatologist Agata Imielska said stable, dry conditions were to blame. "[We are] also still in El Nino, which generally results in warmer daytime temperatures and increased numbers of heatwaves," she said. "Another thing that's been unusual is the lack of cool outbreaks; it's been persistent but also quite unusual that we haven't seen any cool weather coming through. "Climate change also plays a factor here ... again, more likely to see warmer days, less likely to see those cool outbreaks." Ms Imielska said the run of hot days had been felt across much of the country. "This has been quite unusual in terms of the persistence of the heat conditions that we've experienced, and it's not just Canberra," she said. "These conditions have been broadly experienced across south-east Australia. "Australia-wide we have set a record for the warmest March day, which was March 2." Despite the heat stretching into the start of Autumn, acting head of the Rural Fire Service Joe Murphy said fire dangers were not particularly affected. "This is business-as-usual activity for us — the fire danger ratings aren't particularly high right now," he said. "We're expecting maybe a bit of rain over the weekend, we'd really like some rain ... but we're not seeing any elevated fire danger. "We'd really like people to stay vigilant, but don't overreact." Ms Imielska said a predicted wet April meant relief was on the way. "We are expecting wetter conditions coming through in April, and this is something that we've seen previously with the breakdown of El Nino events." However, in the immediate future, the stretch of warm weather is set to continue with the bureau forecasting a maximum of 32 degrees for both Friday and Saturday, and 30 degrees on Sunday.

Red Baron BQC, Ozpolitic Barefoot Barrister agrees:

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Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Thursday was the 10th day in a row to see the temperature break into the 30s, and Bureau of Meteorology senior climatologist Agata Imielska said stable, dry conditions were to blame. "[We are] also still in El Nino, which generally results in warmer daytime temperatures and increased numbers of heatwaves," she said.

Poor luvvies, 30ºC and they get their pantihose in a twist. Including the men.  :D :D

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 5:37pm: Thursday was the 10th day in a row to see the temperature break into the 30s, and Bureau of Meteorology senior climatologist Agata Imielska said stable, dry conditions were to blame. "[We are] also still in El Nino, which generally results in warmer daytime temperatures and increased numbers of heatwaves," she said. Poor luvvies, 30ºC and they get their pantihose in a twist. Including the men.  :D :D

Denizen lee's pantyhose remains untwisted?

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

Denizen lee's pantyhose remains untwisted?

two things.

1. I don't wear pantihose.

2. Where I live 30ºC is called blessed relief.

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

1. I don't wear pantihose. 2. Where I live 30ºC is called blessed relief.

1. Loincloth or codpiece?

2. Hell?

Svengali wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

1. Loincloth or codpiece?

1. Laplap

2. Wheatbelt WA

The temperature's rising and its not a coincidence.


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Record-breaking temperatures due to heatwave in Australia BY AFP - 15 MARCH 2016 @ 4:27 PM SYDNEY: A heatwave has Australia gripped in a seemingly endless summer, with a run of record-breaking temperatures even as autumn officially begins. The Bureau of Meteorology has said the abnormal conditions were affecting almost the entire country in early March, the month which marks the start of autumn. A lack of rain and cooler winds left the east coast suffering a prolonged stretch of hot and humid weather, it said in a special climate statement released on Friday. Bureau climatologist Blair Trewin said Tuesday the heat was consistent with the “well-established warming trend in long-term average temperatures” in Australia and globally. “With overall warming average temperatures you would expect to see more warm extremes and fewer cold extremes – and that’s exactly what we are seeing,” Trewin told AFP. The bureau said the extreme phase of the national heatwave ended around March 9-10, but temperatures remained generally above average. On the east coast, Sydney continued to sweat with its Observatory Hill post notching up a record 39 consecutive days of the temperature reaching 26 degrees Celsius (79F) or above. The previous record was 19 days set in March 2014. “Sydney also had a record run of nights above 20 (Celsius),” said Trewin. “They had a run of 25 nights in a row above 20 which was terminated this morning by the narrowest possible margin – it was 19.9.” Trewin said it was too early to say whether this would be the nation’s hottest March, but a number of records had already been smashed with temperatures running 10 degrees above average in some areas. The report said that over hottest part of the heatwave, maximum temperatures were 4 degrees Celsius or more above average over most of the continent but 8-12 degrees Celsius above average in much of the southeast. The report said rainfall was significantly below normal in the country’s tropical north, with the northern city of Darwin experiencing its driest January-February since 1965.--AFP Read More : http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/03/132894/record-breaking-temperatures-due-heatwave-australia

[quote author=Svengali link=1448090910/217#217 date=1458094751]The temperature's rising and its not a coincidence.
[quote]

What about how children are given their MMR right at the same time when symptoms of autism are generally first observed?

Why do you love the science from one but mistrust the other?

Which other areas of your life are you equally conflicted, pray tell?

GordyL wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

[quote author=Svengali link=1448090910/217#217 date=1458094751]The temperature's rising and its not a coincidence. [quote] What about how children are given their MMR right at the same time when symptoms of autism are generally first observed? Why do you love the science from one but mistrust the other? Which other areas of your life are you equally conflicted, pray tell?

Do Scotsmen use the gent's or the lady's?

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GordyL wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

[quote author=Svengali link=1448090910/217#217 date=1458094751]The temperature's rising and its not a coincidence. [quote] What about how children are given their MMR right at the same time when symptoms of autism are generally first observed? Why do you love the science from one but mistrust the other? Which other areas of your life are you equally conflicted, pray tell?

The heat has got to GordyL who reacts badly, then blathers incessantly. GordyL, darling, lift your kilt, relieve your plight and let the hot air dissipate and relieve your stress.

Stand back and avert your eyes ladies and gentlemen.

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Really scary stuff

http://www.climate4you.com/images/MSU%20UAH%20TropicsAndExtratropicsMonthlyTempSince1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif

Check out SH Extratropics

lee wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 7:29pm:

Really scary stuff http://www.climate4you.com/images/MSUUAHTropicsAndExtratropicsMonthlyTempSince1979With37monthRunningAverage.gif Check out SH Extratropics

It is indeed very scary. 2015 was hot and 2016 looks like it is going to be very much hotter.

Recent March heatwaves in Australia have wakened those who were skeptical based on Australian recent experience.

AGW is happening and it appears to be unstoppable because it is in a positive feedback phase.

Svengali wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Recent March heatwaves in Australia have wakened those who were skeptical based on Australian recent experience.

This recent March? The one that is only half over? You are determining a trend on half a month? Truly delusional.  ;D ;D ;D

I remember your February post - hottest ever

http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/3_14_16_Andrea_CC_2016FebTempAnomalies_Updated_1050_718_s_c1_c_c.jpg

'Ninth-warmest February on record for Australia '

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/summary.shtml

Regional warming is now AGW? Congratulations on the leap of faith.


Svengali wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

AGW is happening and it appears to be unstoppable because it is in a positive feedback phase.

Ah you are now Nostradamus reincarnated. ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

Regional warming is now AGW? Congratulations on the leap of faith.

Svengali wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

On the east coast, Sydney continued to sweat with its Observatory Hill post notching up a record 39 consecutive days of the temperature reaching 26 degrees Celsius (79F) or above. The previous record was 19 days set in March 2014. “Sydney also had a record run of nights above 20 (Celsius),” said Trewin.

You can't ignore record breaking periods of temperature above average. Overall Australia doesn't have a dominant effect on world average temperature because most of the world above-sea land mass is in the Northern Hemisphere.

Svengali wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sydney continued to sweat with its Observatory Hill post notching up a record 39 consecutive days of the temperature reaching 26 degrees Celsius (79F) or above.

26ºC? Stop it your killing me. ;D ;D ;D ;D

BTW - how about Januray?

'Australia      = 65      +0.21            94      +0.82            = 83      +0.52      '

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/month/aus/archive/201601.summary.shtml


Svengali wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

You can't ignore record breaking periods of temperature above average.

Are they record breaking or above average?

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' Volcanic ash, the geometry, and archaeological and faunal contents of the sedimentary deposit along with radiocarbon dating indicate that the tsunamite was coeval with the Minoan Santorini (Thera) eruption 3,350 years BP. The devastating tsunami wave deposited large rocky blocks and a muddy matrix containing diverse faunas (marine molluscs, cattle skeletons) and artefacts from the Minoan civilization. Oxygen isotope measurements of both marine shells and terrestrial vertebrate teeth and bones revealed that sea surface and air temperatures were higher than today (~2°C), but with similarly warm summers (26°C) and much milder winters (16°C). The eruptions and tsunami events are also discussed in the context of the fall of the Minoan civilisation. '

http://events.uwa.edu.au/event/20160311T030251Z-1680-17331@events.uwa.edu.au/whatson/publicaffairs

Oh, No. The dreaded 2ºC has happened before. Without catastrophic consequences.