Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage.

Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists.

Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees.

This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune.

History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World.

red baron wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World.

What is your proposition?  Shall we begin unilateral action?

I mean, seriously, how can it be that conservatives are so naive as to think that talking big results in doing big?  Do you honestly believe that idiot Tony would do anything different to what Turnbull will do?  Both will take their marching orders from the US. The rest is for domestic consumption only.  Just like loser Tony never shirt fronted anyone, the same as idiot Tony would have never committed to unilateral action, despite all his "tough" talk.  He was a wanker loser. That's about it.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04am:

red baron wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 7:54am: Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World. What is your proposition?  Shall we begin unilateral action? I mean, seriously, how can it be that conservatives are so naive as to think that talking big results in doing big?  Do you honestly believe that idiot Tony would do anything different to what Turnbull will do?  Both will take their marching orders from the US. The rest is for domestic consumption only.  Just like loser Tony never shirt fronted anyone, the same as idiot Tony would have never committed to unilateral action, despite all his "tough" talk.  He was a person loser. That's about it.

Nailed it.

red baron wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World.

the POLLS ARE HAPPY....rb... thats what counts..

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:08am:

red baron wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 7:54am: Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World. the POLLS ARE HAPPY....rb... thats what counts..

What do you propose he should do then, cods? And please, be concise, it's too early for cods speak.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:09am:

cods wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 8:08am: red baron wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 7:54am: Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World. the POLLS ARE HAPPY....rb... thats what counts.. What do you propose he should do then, cods? And please, be concise, it's too early for cods speak.

Be a good little fawning sycophant to merica like all those conservative PMs before him.

Bishop was dead wrong when she tried to rebuke Abbott on his comments that ground troops are needed to beat IS. She wrongly claimed Abbott wanted us to go it alone but he never even came close to saying that.

What should we do? For a start we need to take a deep bloody breath before we bring in 12,000 Syrians (2,000 more than the U.S. for heaven's sake!).

I'll say it right now, we are importing our future problems..

I have stated earlier that it is is not only likely it is inevitable that sleeper terrorist cells will be among the imports

How many, as many as they like. All this bullsh.t talk about how well they are vetted.  They will vet Jack sh.t because The refugees will have sketchy background and paperwork. I.S.I.S. will ensure that their 'sleeper cells' will have the 'right' documents and they will slip through unheeded.

Just remember 5 - 10 years down the track when the sleeper cells are activated - where it all began. With Malcolm Turnbull bringing them on in - enmasse!

Kevin Rudd Mk11

Here's the outcome you want in Syria and Syria

(1) Defeat ISIS in Syria - this means to take military control from them
(2) Defeat Assad - this means to remove him from power
(3) Instal another President in Syria
(4) Control this new president so that ISIS does not come back
(5) Then we move to Iraq and get rid of ISIS there

You solve Steps 1 and 5 with ground troops and more bombing

You solve Steps 2, 3 and 4 with politics and negotiation

We need to identify a candidate for Step 3 before we send in ground troops. WHY?

Because this new president will need to command the rebel group that will be part the ground troops

The problem is - Assad's killed all the candidates during last 3 years

(3) Instal another President in Syria

John Kerry would be a good choice, yes?

Like Mr Putin would ever let any of that happen.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:44am:

(3) Instal another President in Syria John Kerry would be a good choice, yes?

Got to be Muslim

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:39am:

Here's the outcome you want in Syria and Syria (1) Defeat ISIS in Syria - this means to take military control from them (2) Defeat Assad - this means to remove him from power (3) Instal another President in Syria (4) Control this new president so that ISIS does not come back (5) Then we move to Iraq and get rid of ISIS there You solve Steps 1 and 5 with ground troops and more bombing You solve Steps 2, 3 and 4 with politics and negotiation We need to identify a candidate for Step 3 before we send in ground troops. WHY? Because this new president will need to command the rebel group that will be part the ground troops The problem is - Assad's killed all the candidates during last 3 years

With Assad being an ally of russia how do you propose this happens?
Annnnnnddd go!

red baron wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:29am:

What should we do? For a start we need to take a deep bloody breath before we bring in 12,000 Syrians (2,000 more than the U.S. for heaven's sake!). I'll say it right now, we are importing our future problems.. I have stated earlier that it is is not only likely it is inevitable that sleeper terrorist cells will be among the imports How many, as many as they like. All this bullsh.t talk about how well they are vetted.  They will vet Jack sh.t because The refugees will have sketchy background and paperwork. I.S.I.S. will ensure that their 'sleeper cells' will have the 'right' documents and they will slip through unheeded. Just remember 5 - 10 years down the track when the sleeper cells are activated - where it all began. With Malcolm Turnbull bringing them on in - enmasse!

?  Tony brought them in.

I blame the Brits for all our problems anyway.  They brought in convicts and no wonder our crime rates are so high.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:44am:

Bishop was dead wrong when she tried to rebuke Abbott on his comments that ground troops are needed to beat IS. She wrongly claimed Abbott wanted us to go it alone but he never even came close to saying that.

So abbott is going to ensure america put ground troops there for more than just training?  And how would he have achieved that?

Once again, you show us thst conservatives loonies will believe anything.   Fact is if tony wants grou d troops then the only way he can make that happen is to send in australian troops, given thats the only power he had.  And if he had done that, we would have been the only country with  boots on ground.  Hence, unilateral action. 

If thats not what the idiot meant then it means he was once again lying.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:32am:

With Assad being an ally of russia how do you propose this happens? Annnnnnddd go!

This is where things gets even complicated

(1) Assad is semi-supporting ISIS because they hate the rebels and the rebels hate both ISIS and Assad
(2) ISIS bombed the civilian plane
(3) ISIS bombed France
(4) ISIS is getting richer and less controllable by Assad

Assad needs a way out. He needs to negotiate with a neutral entity - Russia?, America?, France?, Australia?, China?

It has to be the UN.

So the UN has to declare war on ISIS and Assad will negotiate with NATO for a transition out of government and his safety

Turnbull is correct....If Iraq has taught us anything it is the fact we need co-operation between moderate Shiite and Sunni Muslims to end the violence....Taking action without the backing of the UN and with no end game planned will ensure the violence never ceases....Maqqa's assertion that the West needs to control a democratically elected Government of any nation would be so counter productive it beggars belief anyone could even propose such a ridiculous idea....The West has proven to be impotent and hypocritical when it comes to defending the rights of people in the ME....We need a solution the does not involve the West controlling anyone!!!

:-? :-? :-?

Self-criticism is the secret weapon of democracy, and candor and confession are good for the public soul
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr. (1900 - 1965)

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 10:32am: With Assad being an ally of russia how do you propose this happens? Annnnnnddd go! This is where things gets even complicated (1) Assad is semi-supporting ISIS because they hate the rebels and the rebels hate both ISIS and Assad (2) ISIS bombed the civilian plane (3) ISIS bombed France (4) ISIS is getting richer and less controllable by Assad Assad needs a way out. He needs to negotiate with a neutral entity - Russia?, America?, France?, Australia?, China? It has to be the UN. So the UN has to declare war on ISIS and Assad will negotiate with NATO for a transition out of government and his safety

You have such a juvenile grasp of thd issue.  Assad wont care about isis, assad cares about holding onto power.  While ISIS exists and has the attention of the western world assad can continue to rule.  Why would he want to negotiate with anyone? And especially when he has thr support of russia?

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:49am:

Turnbull is correct....If Iraq has taught us anything it is the fact we need co-operation between moderate Shiite and Sunni Muslims to end the violence....Taking action without the backing of the UN and with no end game planned will ensure the violence never ceases....Maqqa's assertion that the West needs to control a democratically elected Government of any nation would be so counter productive it beggars belief anyone could even propose such a ridiculous idea....The West has proven to be impotent and hypocritical when it comes to defending the rights of people in the ME....We need a solution the does not involve the West controlling anyone!!! :-? :-? :-?

Co-operation is doing what we want

Control is doing what we want

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:49am:

Turnbull is correct....If Iraq has taught us anything it is the fact we need co-operation between moderate Shiite and Sunni Muslims to end the violence....Taking action without the backing of the UN and with no end game planned will ensure the violence never ceases....Maqqa's assertion that the West needs to control a democratically elected Government of any nation would be so counter productive it beggars belief anyone could even propose such a ridiculous idea....The West has proven to be impotent and hypocritical when it comes to defending the rights of people in the ME....We need a solution the does not involve the West controlling anyone!!! :-? :-? :-? Self-criticism is the secret weapon of democracy, and candor and confession are good for the public soul Adlai E. Stevenson Jr. (1900 - 1965)

We need a solution that ends the flow of money to isis from the saudis.  And a solutiom that gets the worlds third most expensive military  (saudi arabia) to actually do more than watch from the sidelines.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53am:

You have such a juvenile grasp of thd issue.  Assad wont care about isis, assad cares about holding onto power.  While ISIS exists and has the attention of the western world assad can continue to rule.  Why would he want to negotiate with anyone? And especially when he has thr support of russia?

You are a m#r#n

That's what I said.

He's been trying to hold onto power since the last insurgent where he promised he'll change. Killed off the rebels and ISIS came in to fill that void

If you don't understand why he wants to negotiate with anyone then you are even more stupid that you think

The more ISIS bomb people where is the first place the West will drop more bombs? Syria

Then they'll eventually send in more troops and he does not want to be another Gadaffi or Sadam or Osama where they have to live in hiding. He, his wife and children all educated overseas and they ain't living in no cave

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:57am:

We need a solution that ends the flow of money to isis from the saudis.  And a solutiom that gets the worlds third most expensive military  (saudi arabia) to actually do more than watch from the sidelines.

M#r#n

They are getting their money from selling oil illegally

They don't need money from Saudi Arabia

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 10:49am: Turnbull is correct....If Iraq has taught us anything it is the fact we need co-operation between moderate Shiite and Sunni Muslims to end the violence....Taking action without the backing of the UN and with no end game planned will ensure the violence never ceases....Maqqa's assertion that the West needs to control a democratically elected Government of any nation would be so counter productive it beggars belief anyone could even propose such a ridiculous idea....The West has proven to be impotent and hypocritical when it comes to defending the rights of people in the ME....We need a solution the does not involve the West controlling anyone!!! :-? :-? :-? Co-operation is doing what we want Control is doing what we want

So you think the solution is the ME doing what the West wants with the West in control....How did that work out in Iraq Maqqa???

:-? :-? :-?

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:01am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 10:53am: You have such a juvenile grasp of thd issue.  Assad wont care about isis, assad cares about holding onto power.  While ISIS exists and has the attention of the western world assad can continue to rule.  Why would he want to negotiate with anyone? And especially when he has thr support of russia? You are a m#r#n That's what I said. He's been trying to hold onto power since the last insurgent where he promised he'll change. Killed off the rebels and ISIS came in to fill that void If you don't understand why he wants to negotiate with anyone then you are even more stupid that you think The more ISIS bomb people where is the first place the West will drop more bombs? Syria Then they'll eventually send in more troops and he does not want to be another Gadaffi or Sadam or Osama where they have to live in hiding. He, his wife and children all educated overseas and they ain't living in no cave

More juvenile rubbish.  Assad has russias support.  Therr is no need to negotiate with anyone when he has a military power backing his legitimacy to be leader.  And while isis exists and continues attacks on thr west its becoming more and more evident that the west will ignore asad and concentrate on isis.  So again, why would he need to be negotiating with anyone?

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:02am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 10:57am: We need a solution that ends the flow of money to isis from the saudis.  And a solutiom that gets the worlds third most expensive military  (saudi arabia) to actually do more than watch from the sidelines. M#r#n They are getting their money from selling oil illegally They don't need money from Saudi Arabia

Juvenile yet again.  Money is funelled via saudi arabia,  where do you get your news from , playschool?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:08am:

More juvenile rubbish.  Assad has russias support.  Therr is no need to negotiate with anyone when he has a military power backing his legitimacy to be leader.  And while isis exists and continues attacks on thr west its becoming more and more evident that the west will ignore asad and concentrate on isis.  So again, why would he need to be negotiating with anyone?

And you can't read. I've already said that

Asad also tolerate ISIS

But ISIS bombed the plane so Asad's in trouble

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:03am:

So you think the solution is the ME doing what the West wants with the West in control....How did that work out in Iraq Maqqa??? :-? :-? :-?

There was no exit plan. They allow them to figure it out themselves

red baron wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World.

A little hysterical, you think?

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 11:02am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 10:57am: We need a solution that ends the flow of money to isis from the saudis.  And a solutiom that gets the worlds third most expensive military  (saudi arabia) to actually do more than watch from the sidelines. M#r#n They are getting their money from selling oil illegally They don't need money from Saudi Arabia

The russians just bombed 500 oil tanker trucks and the US another 150 more. Their oil earnings will be close to nil now.

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 12:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 11:08am: More juvenile rubbish.  Assad has russias support.  Therr is no need to negotiate with anyone when he has a military power backing his legitimacy to be leader.  And while isis exists and continues attacks on thr west its becoming more and more evident that the west will ignore asad and concentrate on isis.  So again, why would he need to be negotiating with anyone? And you can't read. I've already said that Asad also tolerate ISIS But ISIS bombed the plane so Asad's in trouble

You are such a simpleton ;d

Putin may bomb isis for now, to show his might and vengeance to tge russian people, but putin isnot going to throw away an alliance with assad. 

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 11:02am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 10:57am: We need a solution that ends the flow of money to isis from the saudis.  And a solutiom that gets the worlds third most expensive military  (saudi arabia) to actually do more than watch from the sidelines. M#r#n They are getting their money from selling oil illegally They don't need money from Saudi Arabia The russians just bombed 500 oil tanker trucks and the US another 150 more. Their oil earnings will be close to nil now.

And they are rumoured to be worth $2B USD some 12 months ago.

It's probably close to $3B

They won't need oil money for a long time!!

Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil.

It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst.

red baron wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:28am:

Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst.

Got a bomb shelter I hope?

But seriously, what is your proposition?

red baron wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:28am:

Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst.

So long as the death toll is about the same as the road toll the luvvies will remain with their heads in buckets apologising, deflecting and genuflecting to the religion of peace. 

It's just what they do. 

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:44am:

red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. So long as the death toll is about the same as the road toll the luvvies will remain with their heads in buckets apologising, deflecting and genuflecting to the religion of peace.  It's just what they do.

It's the same as the road toll,  which one, Tasmanias??

What is my proposition Sir Prince?...Alas, t's already too late. Nil future Muslim immigration would have been my first proposal.   Bird's flown on that one. It's a case of here they come. Its a bloody disgrace what the Federal Government are doing to future generations with their mind blowing naiive 'immigration policy'.

Turnbull has shown his hand and a piss weak hand it is too..

Security measures are already very high but no amount of security in the world will stop every threat particularly in a Democracy.

On a personal level, just be aware particularly when you are in high volume public pedestrian traffic.

Jut have a look around you when you go out, can't harm. If there is something 'funny' building there will be a few tell tale signs.

Look for towel heads acting suspiciously...racist...stiff cheddar! I'm talking staying alive.

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red baron wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

What is my proposition Sir Prince?...Alas, t's already too late. Nil future Muslim immigration would have been my first proposal.   Bird's flown on that one. It's a case of here they come. Its a bloody disgrace what the Federal Government are doing to future generations with their mind blowing naiive 'immigration policy'. Turnbull has shown his hand and a piss weak hand it is too.. Security measures are already very high but no amount of security in the world will stop every threat particularly in a Democracy. On a personal level, just be aware particularly when you are in high volume public pedestrian traffic. Jut have a look around you when you go out, can't harm. If there is something 'funny' building there will be a few tell tale signs. Look for towel heads acting suspiciously...racist...stiff cheddar! I'm talking staying alive.

You're falling for the terrorists game plan, and being to scared for no reason red. Do you also run as soon as you hear thunder, because the chances are about the same.

What I'd say is that the only way to ban Muslim immigration is to ban immigration from countries that have a Muslim population.  We are talking 1/2 the world, red. And what good would that do? Muslim people can still get on a plane and come to Australia.

So, what other ideas do you have?

red baron wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:28am:

Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst.

Your thread title IS hysterical. Nobody has handed any autonomy to anyone.

red baron wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

What is my proposition Sir Prince?...Alas, t's already too late. Nil future Muslim immigration would have been my first proposal.   Bird's flown on that one. It's a case of here they come. Its a bloody disgrace what the Federal Government are doing to future generations with their mind blowing naiive 'immigration policy'. Turnbull has shown his hand and a piss weak hand it is too.. Security measures are already very high but no amount of security in the world will stop every threat particularly in a Democracy. On a personal level, just be aware particularly when you are in high volume public pedestrian traffic. Jut have a look around you when you go out, can't harm. If there is something 'funny' building there will be a few tell tale signs. Look for towel heads acting suspiciously...racist...stiff cheddar! I'm talking staying alive.

Apparently you were once a cop. Based on this thread, I would presume an unsuccessful, low-level one. You reek of pananoia.  Your FEMA camps thread confirms it.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:18am:

red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 8:15am: What is my proposition Sir Prince?...Alas, t's already too late. Nil future Muslim immigration would have been my first proposal.   Bird's flown on that one. It's a case of here they come. Its a bloody disgrace what the Federal Government are doing to future generations with their mind blowing naiive 'immigration policy'. Turnbull has shown his hand and a piss weak hand it is too.. Security measures are already very high but no amount of security in the world will stop every threat particularly in a Democracy. On a personal level, just be aware particularly when you are in high volume public pedestrian traffic. Jut have a look around you when you go out, can't harm. If there is something 'funny' building there will be a few tell tale signs. Look for towel heads acting suspiciously...racist...stiff cheddar! I'm talking staying alive. You're falling for the terrorists game plan, and being to scared for no reason red. Do you also run as soon as you hear thunder, because the chances are about the same. What I'd say is that the only way to ban Muslim immigration is to ban immigration from countries that have a Muslim population.  We are talking 1/2 the world, red. And what good would that do? Muslim people can still get on a plane and come to Australia. So, what other ideas do you have?

Only if they pass the checks...... not the cheques......

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:13am:

red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 8:15am: What is my proposition Sir Prince?...Alas, t's already too late. Nil future Muslim immigration would have been my first proposal.   Bird's flown on that one. It's a case of here they come. Its a bloody disgrace what the Federal Government are doing to future generations with their mind blowing naiive 'immigration policy'. Turnbull has shown his hand and a piss weak hand it is too.. Security measures are already very high but no amount of security in the world will stop every threat particularly in a Democracy. On a personal level, just be aware particularly when you are in high volume public pedestrian traffic. Jut have a look around you when you go out, can't harm. If there is something 'funny' building there will be a few tell tale signs. Look for towel heads acting suspiciously...racist...stiff cheddar! I'm talking staying alive. Apparently you were once a cop. Based on this thread, I would presume an unsuccessful, low-level one. You reek of pananoia.  Your FEMA camps thread confirms it.

Persona stuff... personal stuff, mania... keep it down....

red baron wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:54am:

Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World.

yes, the UN are totally useless.
It would be better if they did not exist

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:31am:

red baron wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 7:54am: Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World. yes, the UN are totally useless. It would be better if they did not exist

If you think it is bad now, imagine what it would be like with rudd heading it up? His ego might actually explode!

red baron wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:28am:

Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst.

Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks.

Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:31am:

red baron wrote on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 7:54am: Increasingly the spectre of Malcolm Turnbull, who in regard to International Affairs on Terrorism, has our new national leader, flummoxed and worryingly ill prepared to handle Australia's affairs on the world stage. Already he has done back flips on our position and even at one stage wanted to 'negotiate' with terrorists. Turnbull is a genuinely 'nice bloke' but he will go along with the U.N. line on practically everything. This constitutes a great danger towards Australia because the U.N. view Australia and the perfect place to dump any amount of refugees. This Country will be unrecogniseable if Turnbull blindly lets the U.N., call the tune. History has shown what a newted bloody useless body the U.N. is, they couldn't run  a corner store let alone the World. yes, the UN are totally useless. It would be better if they did not exist

The UN serves its purpose, running the world isn't it.

Kytro wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:18am:

red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks. Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though.

So? Do we cower before evil because they might harm a few of us? The fact is that ISIS is intent on harming everyone regardless of what we do, so we might as well bomb them.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:18am: red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks. Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though. So? Do we cower before evil because they might harm a few of us? The fact is that ISIS is intent on harming everyone regardless of what we do, so we might as well bomb them.

Not all, I certainly don't. I was simply pointing out that attacking them won't prevent a terrorist attack. We can defeat that "state" part of Islamic state, certainly - though a fight is exactly what they want.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:46am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:18am: red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks. Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though. So? Do we cower before evil because they might harm a few of us? The fact is that ISIS is intent on harming everyone regardless of what we do, so we might as well bomb them.

When it comes to getting rid off terrorism the left thinks it's black and white

Terrorism is a tool used by RADICAL Islamic ideologists - it's an idea translated into bombs

You can't get rid off the bombs until you get rid off the ideology

The only way to do that is to not only breed a new generation but several generations of MODERATE Islamic ideology

So everything we do now is to manage damage to the West

Nuke them might work

Kytro wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 11:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:46am: Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:18am: red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks. Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though. So? Do we cower before evil because they might harm a few of us? The fact is that ISIS is intent on harming everyone regardless of what we do, so we might as well bomb them. Not all, I certainly don't. I was simply pointing out that attacking them won't prevent a terrorist attack. We can defeat that "state" part of Islamic state, certainly - though a fight is exactly what they want.

I thought as much which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt.  I have no idea why ISIS is spoiling for a fight with pretty much every country on earth.  They have no air force and a very small army and not much in the way of strategy. An all-out attack on ISIS would be all over in a week, possibly less.

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 11:14am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:46am: Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:18am: red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks. Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though. So? Do we cower before evil because they might harm a few of us? The fact is that ISIS is intent on harming everyone regardless of what we do, so we might as well bomb them. Not all, I certainly don't. I was simply pointing out that attacking them won't prevent a terrorist attack. We can defeat that "state" part of Islamic state, certainly - though a fight is exactly what they want. I thought as much which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt.  I have no idea why ISIS is spoiling for a fight with pretty much every country on earth.  They have no air force and a very small army and not much in the way of strategy. An all-out attack on ISIS would be all over in a week, possibly less.

There are a number of people who believe it has to do with prophesy, something about 80 nations against them before they can conquer Rome.

Kytro wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 2:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 12:03pm: Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 11:14am: mariacostel wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:46am: Kytro wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 10:18am: red baron wrote on Nov 23rd, 2015 at 7:28am: Hysterical is it maria?...It'll be bloody hysterical alright when the terrorism attacks begin in earnest on Australian soil. It's not a case of if but when. Martin Place is nothing compared to what is coming. People here are living in a bubble, one that is overdue to burst. Considering that Martin Place was a just some guy off his rocker that's unsurprising. It's almost inevitable that Australia will eventually see an organised, large scale attack. No matter how good security and intel is, eventually something will probably slip through the cracks. Attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria won't stop this though. So? Do we cower before evil because they might harm a few of us? The fact is that ISIS is intent on harming everyone regardless of what we do, so we might as well bomb them. Not all, I certainly don't. I was simply pointing out that attacking them won't prevent a terrorist attack. We can defeat that "state" part of Islamic state, certainly - though a fight is exactly what they want. I thought as much which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt.  I have no idea why ISIS is spoiling for a fight with pretty much every country on earth.  They have no air force and a very small army and not much in the way of strategy. An all-out attack on ISIS would be all over in a week, possibly less. There are a number of people who believe it has to do with prophesy, something about 80 nations against them before they can conquer Rome.

Then get on with it. Blast ISIS into the next world.