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Title: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:14am
The totalitarian mindset of the Left is demonstrated very clearly in this personal experience of hers. Where there should be 'education' there is only an intolerant and strait-jacketed view of the world.
A lot of our universities have been turning out idiots with no capacity for looking beyond what their facile and jaundiced Leftwing luvvie lecturers have been telling them. link |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by beer on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:31am Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:14am:
How is totalitarian connected to the left? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Maqqa on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:39am
Most traditional universities teach theories
Students mistaken theories as reality until they spend time in the workforce So they start left and end up right |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:43am Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:14am:
It's a brilliant article and raises the issue of the next generation getting their 'education' from facebook and twitter. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by beer on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:44am Maqqa wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:39am:
True, but I think it's not caused by teaching, but hormones. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:48am beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:44am:
Are you planning on making an intelligent reply at some stage or does your ID reflect the content of your IQ? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:53am mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:48am:
he's probably waiting for you to lead the way .. .I suspect he may be waiting a while |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:59am Maqqa wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:39am:
You mean hypotheses. Theories reflect reality. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:00am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:59am:
yes ... what he was saying is that students start on the left with reality, then as they age they move to the right and into fantasy ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:02am
It is a great article though, I always take my cues on tertiary education from someone who judges her childrens classmates based on their names, suggests people with dementia ar ebed blockers, has appeared on Celebrity Big Brother and is basically accused of generating outrage in order to get fame and money.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:11am mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:48am:
The response seemed to be at least as well informed and sensible as the position he was responding to. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:21am
Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
I doubt that anyone would believe that the right is not the domain of the most tightly closed and inflexible minds of the lowest capacity. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by beer on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:28am Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:11am:
I am defined as SILLY in another thread according to mariacostel's standard. :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by bogarde73 on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:40am Maqqa wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:39am:
Geez macca, I think there's plenty of evidence all around us that they get left training in the unis and go out and apply it in life. The evidence is in the ABC & Fairfax for a start. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by beer on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:43am bogarde73 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:40am:
I suggest you call it naive but not left. Left on social topic and right on economy, will not be too bad. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:52am bogarde73 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:40am:
It is more likely the people who's vote swings with age does so based on their position in society, those who will always vote on what they perceive to be their best interests. People struggling through UNI are mostly financially struggling and a more left vote and position will be in their best interests where as they age and become successful they may see a vote to the right as a smart one. There are a significant number of people who go through life only concerned about themselves and IMO it is more likely that this is the phenomenon which is measured in this seeming political development. In my view people who politically lean left or right at a younger age probably continue with that view through life. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:54am
I don't even need to read the article to see it exhibited here.
It's always - hurrrr....it's the right wot have da closed mindzzz...us lefties is da smart ones. No attempt at reflection, whatsoever. The bubble you live in is fragile, and you mustn't risk popping it with a focused stream of consciousness. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:55am ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:54am:
And very much visa versa. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by bogarde73 on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:58am beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:43am:
I'll take up your word then, but I'd suggest they are "naïve" all over the shop not just on social issues. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:02am Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:55am:
Sure. But that doesn't excuse you from doing it too. It's adversarial and it's stupid. People on each side are not interested in truth, or doing what is right - the just want a green light for crappy behaviour, and they think having an example of the other team doing something gives them that. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:10am ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:02am:
Better than just letting one side of the argument to stand alone. At least I know that I am being a bit tongue in cheek. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:15am
But does anyone else? Do the kids that are supposed to be learning know, or will they just repeat the shite they hear?
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:40am
The left have a vision that cannot be supported with common sense and facts, it is an ideology not a science therefore it cannot be defended by normal means, debating leftist ideology is absolutely out of the question because using facts and logic on them is like using kryptonite on superman.
Leftist ideology can only be defended by absolutely shutting up the opposing argument by any means possible, whether that is by lying, cheating, defamation, screaming racist or misogynist it doesn't matter, anything go's, except facts and logic. The left do not play by the rules, they think rules are for right wing mugs. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:45am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:40am:
Great post, i'm going to show that to my son . i was discussing what he is being taught about climate change at school and lets just say it is to the left of Tim Flannery ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:46am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:40am:
Someone said to me last night "it's not the left that denies science" presumably a reference to the belief that "the righttm" doesn't believe in climate change. There seems to be a gaping blindspot where the left and their fabrication of social "science" and denial of biological principles and imperatives. I know the stereotype is that "the righttm" doesn't believe in evolution, and that might have been true 50 years ago, but now it's the left who apparently believe it, yet deny most of it's implications. But so long as they can point to a single case of a god-bothering right winger beleiveing in creationism, that's their green light to create and preserve their own fantasy bubble. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:52am ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:46am:
The let have hijacked science in order to use it as yet another tool to further leftist ideology, anything go's, science is like democracy, the only practical use the left have for democracy is to use it to help destroy democracy. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:22am mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:43am:
Just try passing examinations in the universities in Social Science, Political Science, History, journalism, psychology and the like without being very careful to present a politically correct Leftwing spin on everything. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:24am mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:48am:
I'll bet he's got a bugger T-Shirt in his bedroom cupboard but has never been game to wear it. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:35am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:40am:
Interesting how this stands with Honky's view. Also interesting that you talk about facts but as is usually the case have none. Nothing but unsupportable opinion that the right suffer from in equal measure if not more so. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by bogarde73 on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:36am aquascoot wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:45am:
Try telling the left here that propaganda is being shoved down kids' throats and they'll howl you down. Some are happy for it to happen, some don't want to hear about it, most are too dumb to realise it's a curriculum trying to become a religion. I've heard some of the things they are influencing my grandson with and that's in a private Christian school. Of course some of the church people are the worst lefties, the Uniting Church for instance. There's an irony for you. Green bleats about Christian education and they're doing his job for him. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:38am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:52am:
Well, let's all go get your famous moorock then and do FUSION then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:38am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:52am:
You could have a future writing comedy ? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Bojack Horseman on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:41am
Best thread evah.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:42am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:52am:
You do know that the Abbott government chose to not have Science in their ministry - they removed the job and that they have spent over a decade arguing against scientific opinion ? This has nothing to do with anything the left have done, the right have literally walked away from science. That is a fact. I expect a slightly more sane approach from Turnstiles. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:43am bogarde73 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:40am:
And where do all these Renta-Crowd dead-heads come from who demonstrate against Australians who hold rallies against further Muslim immigration and the Islamisation of Western societies? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:43am Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:21am:
Just outsource the thinking part: back to the crackpipe, easy! :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:44am Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:35am:
And there it is again. An acknowledgment that your "team" concoct and disseminate baloney, but it's somehow OK because "they do it too". How are you going to claim righteousness when you knowingly support lies? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:50am ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:44am:
It appears that I am wrong if I openly say the opposite to balance the argument and now I am also wrong when I point out that it is the same both ways. I suspect that I can only win with you if I take the rights viewpoint and blame the left for everything. Note that I used the word equal - meaning that it is as poor by both. OK I had to add a little dig but that is not really a big deal. By the way I don't have a team. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by perceptions_now on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:57am
Well, it is certain that there are "some" closed minds in Politics
AND they come from not just the Left, but also the Right & the Centre of the "Political game"! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:58am ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:44am:
On analysis your last sentence always seems to give your game away. You should remember to stop before your last sentence IMobviouslyHO!!! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:00pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:50am:
A little birdy told me you belong to the 'righteousness' team ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:01pm
the problem with the right is that they always think they know it all.
A rightie horse salesman will argue that he is right, and a qualified scientist is wrong, on a subject that the scientist is qualified for. :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:04pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:01pm:
yeh but black is the new white: don't you know anything :D :D :D :D ? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:05pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:41am:
that's why you're going to sit back and say nothing :D :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:07pm bogarde73 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:36am:
You should write a book bro ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:13pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:00pm:
Most would guess "lefteousness" there is a reason that right is specifically included in that term, that is a given. Why would saying it is the same on both sides put me on any team ? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:16pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:44am:
An acknowledgment that your "team" concoct and disseminate baloney Didn't say that at all. I conceded that many supporters of both the left and right have closed minds - that is all ? I was thinking more of the topic in general at the time and not so much commenting on the rubbish posted. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:19pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:58am:
Yes, that's the idea - the final sentence is to state a summary of the point. Why would I stop before that? Let me state it again - spreading bullshit becasue someone else does makes you just as wrong as them. If "the right" said that 2+2=5, "the left" would say it's -5. Both are just as wrong. If you ever see me supporting the usual bullshit asscoiated with "the right" - foreign intervention, climate change, creationism - feel free to call me on it. I oppose bullshit no matter where it comes from, it's just that at this point in time, the left has the ascendancy and so has a platform to spew 10x more bullshit than the right. Which is the bigger problem? My mama told me "two wrongs don't make a right" and I thought that was a common lesson. Not common enough, apparently. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:27pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:19pm:
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Why would you think this with the right in government and in full control of the BullShit lever. They even have a leader who is turn bull. Stop the boats the adults are in charge the start of good government was even on the way, ditch the witch, Rudd the Dudd and Axe the Tax. You would have to be Joking to think Labor has gone close to matching the rubbish from the right. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aussie100percent on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:32pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
Totally surpassed it, you are a gleaming example ! :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:34pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:27pm:
Because a) "the right" does not = The Liberal party. They might share a similarity occasionally, but in party politics the left/right dichotomy is wortheless. A better one is globalists/nationalists - and there ain't no nationalists. b) Culture is far, far, faaaaar more influential on society than party politics. You could have Hitler as PM and it wouldn't matter a jot while our kids go through 1-2 decades of schooling by mushroom-haircutted ideologues, and consume hours of unashamedly leftwing popular media each day. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:35pm aussie100percent wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
Yet no attempt to even pretend to support what you say, clearly because you can't. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:37pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
You don't think some read the Telegraph or news LTD. 90% of education is politically neutral as is the general media. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aussie100percent on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:41pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:35pm:
Just making a statement..I learnt a long time ago not to waste time on leftie sukfux ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:43pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
Not even in party politics, but atleast you understand that left v right is an oversimplicity for the purposes of propaganda that makes a two party system akin to one. All of it supports standing armies that rule in the rich and rule out the poor in dodgy trade economics. Now that's tribal... lucky we were born here and not Mali or something! What a wicked world!! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:44pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:37pm:
I don't know about the telegraph, but I check in on news.com.au (news ltd) and a glance at the homepage at any given time on any given day will reveal it's agenda, and it's identical to that of the huffington post. Quote:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:47pm aussie100percent wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:41pm:
You just get bored every now and again because righties all hate each other ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:49pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:44pm:
You don't even know what 'left' and 'right' is :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:50pm Quote:
Good points, Herbie. When those on this board have a different perspective to you, you label them traitors, cowards, scum, and heinous spineless apologists. You call for them to be banned. You argue for them to be dealt with - in the fullness of time. Unlike these vile leftards, you have an open mind, no? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:54pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:49pm:
Neither do you, neither does anyone. The labels are false and fleeting, but we all have to speaka da same language. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:55pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:38am:
He has no writing skills, renders what he posts suss straight away. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:58pm
Where is all this “left wing media?” the only one I can think of is Independent Australia and sometimes Crikey.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:03pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:45am:
Obviously any responsible parent these days must spend a lot of time deprogramming the children after they have been subjected to leftist indoctrination. ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:03pm
Yes, a few decades of leftist conditioning might well leave one unable to distinguish the neutral from the left-leaning. (hint: There is no such thing as a neutral text). Propaganda wouldn't be used if it didn't work.
Now consider that most of you guys are older and experienced times when it wasn't like this. For anyone under 25, they've never known anything else - your lies have become their truisms. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:09pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:42am:
Science, like religion should be made separate from politics, the left believe that science and politics should be as one, this is a similar view to the one that the muslim holds and it is yet another reason why the left relate so well to the muslim. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:12pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:09pm:
lol, like wtf are you on about buddy ::) ::) "Science, like religion.."<------------------ :o :o :o :o :o |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:16pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
Which is why you keep using them of course. :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:19pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:34pm:
I've just honked my horn to say this is the Post of the Day. Try being a teacher in one of our public or private schools and let it be known you're a friend of America ... you're anti-Muslim immigration ... you're tired of the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry ... you once voted for Pauline Hanson ... terrorism is a product of Islam ... you're a patriot and a nationalist ... you're glad the Brits founded Australia ... you believe in Capital Punishment for terrorists, serial killers, child murderers, and those who persuade others to get onto hard drugs, and those who throw acid into a woman's face ... you're not a vegan or a vegetarian ... you believe in smacking small boys and girls when they misbehave ... etc |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:19pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
Says the bloke who doesn't know what a rightist is :D :D Oh, wait: a rightist votes for copper internet in the asian century we built: maybe that's because a rightist is a traitor? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:20pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:16pm:
Yes, of course. If I made up my own words, people wouldn't know what I was talking about. Hufgansk nuegsifmoflok mnu mnu poinyoutvs bunsaderof mundisbonpo? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:21pm Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:19pm:
Lord Herbert wants to teach the kids unsystematically yet still believes he is not an anarchist, perhaps? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Cliff48 on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:23pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:09pm:
gawd you talk crap !!! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:23pm ... wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:20pm:
;) ;) ..do you actually mean to say that simplistic propaganda rules? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:26pm Cliff48 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:23pm:
He means politics is everything: he is a power-monger thanking his lucky stars he was born behind a functioning standing army or two!! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:32pm Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:19pm:
I know, Herbie, it's ridiculous. Try being a teacher and calling for the apologists to be rounded up and executed. Teachers just aren't allowed to teach anymore. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:41pm Cliff48 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:23pm:
I think that loosely translates to ... yes you are absolutely right and I have no sound rebuttal at all as it is extremely difficult to defend leftist ideology to those who are not already tainted by it so the only response I have is to say .. you talk crap. :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:50pm Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:32pm:
They go way beyond being mere apologists. They are traitors every bit as much as were those who were hanged at the end of WWI and II for conspiring to help a foreign people predominate as victors in their own homeland. They should be gassed by the score for the rats that they are. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:09pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:41pm:
innocent doesn't know what a rightist is: oh wait, a rightist attacks a leftist and that ladies and gentle-features is it... unless innocent can prove otherwise which he can't ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:11pm Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
--> lord herbie wants everyone to fight his war for him ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You want some cake with that ?? ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:17pm Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
Exactly. But can you say that to impressionable young minds? Not on your life. What's become of our once proud country? I mean, here you are saying how victimized you are by leftie students, and you're not even allowed to round them up and gas them. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:19pm Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
They are learning the ways of the too-white-to-fail club... ::) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:27pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:19pm:
Sure, but some of those students are Chows, Curries, Boongs, even - God forbid - Muslims. And can you tell them how hideous they all are? No way - you might "offend" them. No, Herbie is clearly the victim here. Why can't he be placed in a teaching position and say what's on his mind? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:35pm
What a waste of a thread.
Six pages of bullshit, all based on a false premise. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:39pm Kat wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:35pm:
Sure, but you're free to participate in the Muslims-destroying-Christmas thread, you know. Apparently people don't say Merry Christmas anymore. They say, "happy holidays". |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:41pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
I thought it was funny. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:44pm Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
No one wants to be that white :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:47pm aussie100percent wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:41pm:
Yes no need for facts just go straight from uninformed opinion straight to insults. Go through the topic and you will find people supporting the left are accused of this yet look where we actually do find examples in constant use ? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:59pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:47pm:
All the righties hate each other: that's why he feels the need to talk sometimes... but not much! ::) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:59pm
Very good and very true. If you don't sign up to the climate scare church, you're a denier and must be shouted down. To hell with alternative points of view. How very unscientific. Peer review is based on more than one point of view. The idiotic, socialist Left just love to demonise and hound those who possess opposing views because in their mind, theirs is the only right view and all others are simply not worth discussing. Clearly, the Left belong back in the 1500's when to challenge the Church was to commit a crime of unspeakable proportions. Today, to challenge the Left is treated in almost the same way. No debate, no other points of view, no pleurisy. That's a concept upon which countries such as Australia, the UK and the US are built upon. We're supposed to be plural societies - we're supposed to accept more than one point of view. Sadly, that is now how the Left think.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:00pm Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Black Africans ... It's time for these blow-ins to think of themselves as uncompromisingly 'Australian' just as the dinki di Australians do. I've never met an Australian walking around calling himself an 'English-Australian or an 'Irish-Australian'. If they're not Australians first and foremost then they don't belong here as anything other than tourists and students. If history lessons at school must tippy-toe carefully so as to be 'inclusive', and apologetic for the British contribution to the Australian success story having been more than that of any other immigrant nationality - then it's time Leftwing political correctness was dumped for the divisive crock that it is - and replaced by history lessons as were taught in schools before the wogs arrived in great number. But it's considered 'insensitive' to teach British-Australian history to classrooms full of ethnic kids, and this is because the Left want to preserve them as 'ethnics' with a separate identity to the mainstream Anglo-Australian - and also because the Left is appalled at the idea that little ethnic children should be taught some respect for the Anglo-Saxon achievement and success in this country. I'm tired of 'multiculturalism' dictating the agenda. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:01pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
armchair wants to sell black as white while at the same time selling white as black ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) (..I think: hey, watchout for this guy ;) ;) ;)) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Lord Herbert on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:03pm Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:39pm:
Good point, Karnal. I'm an Agnostic myself, but this American rubbish should be jumped upon from a great height. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:10pm Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:03pm:
I agree, Herb. No one actually says "happy holidays", but if anyone writes a post pretending that they do, they should be put in the gas chamber with the traitors. The same goes for Easter hat parades. Now we never had these when we were kids, but apparently the recent explosion of school Easter hat parades keeps getting thwarted by the Muslims and their apologists. Easter hat parades, Christmas trees, Christmas carols - all banned. Sorry, attempted to be banned. Gas them. Gas the lot. Surely you can still say that. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:13pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:01pm:
Go back to smoking your weed. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:15pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 3:13pm:
not that boring shite: just candyhol nowadays ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:26pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:50am:
Give up DNA. He got you in a faux pas. Deliberate or not, you said exactly what he said you did. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:30pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:37pm:
Don't you think education should be 100% politically neutral? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:36pm bogarde73 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:36am:
yes Bogarde, my son is in a private christian school. Doing assignments on "the relative benefits to soft hoofed animals (kangaroos) over hard hoofed animals (cattle). He better not show the pics of him shooting roos or he'll get a C minus. like the hitler youth, comrade gough realised he had to make the federal education department (which runs a total of zero schools) responsible for the really meaty stuff of indocrination. and they wonder why 18 yo's all vote left, change their facebook photo to the rainbow or the even more rediculous french flag. I was smart though, i convinced my boy to change it to the french flag on its side, so now he's gone russian and is supporting Vladamir. ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:40pm
French flag on its side is the Dutch flag.
Back to your stupid self help books for you, Walter Mitty. I mean, far out, a Christian school isn’t going to indoctrinate your kids ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Soren on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:00pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:40pm:
Christian schools teach you about Christianity. You do not have to believe it. They DO expect you not to piss on it while on the premises or in he uniform. Is that indoctrination? Considering that it was Christian orders that set up schools to start with, are you resentful still?? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:05pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:40pm:
when you get hard left ideology taught in private schools, you know you have a problem. is this surprising though in a society where successful people throw their hand in the ring of "free enterprise". those who can...do those who cant ...teach. the successful people "do" in the world of "free enterprise" the chodes and scrubs "teach" in the world of "leftard intellectualism (the doctrine of the scrubber)" |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:08pm
Hard left my rosy red arse.
You pissed yourself when you found your son was being taught something a bit different to your own weird beliefs. Conservatives are deathly afraid of change. This means many never really grow up. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
Yes they are, especially when that change involves the left getting into bed with the muslims in order to get rid of the right and implement year zero :( |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:21pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
i didnt piss myself. but its time consuming unteaching the lessons that i paid good money for him to be taught. still, i have to look on the bright side, when every other student graduates as a quivering , bed wetting leftie, he will be fully confident and self actualised and ready to climb the ladder of free enterprise. its a form of child abuse to teach climate change to children. they probably have nightmares about running out of water and dying of thirst. How pitiful :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:23pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:26pm:
Do you sit next to macca in year 5 comprehension. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:36pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Not the right. The far-right. And we will. Count on it. And no, we don't need the Muslims' help. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:43pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
Yes but that probably isn't the current reality a few educators have obvious leanings one way or the other, most students ignore them. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:53pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:15pm:
Good example for the topic. Very good article on the closed minds of the |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:00pm Kat wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:36pm:
I believe that you have your "to do" list arse about Kat, you are getting ahead of yourself, first you have to check into a mental hospital, next you have to get on medication, then you will need to attend anger management class, followed by a good psychiatric case management service, some remedial year eight education will be required and an etiquette course on how to behave like a civilised human being within the general public, then the big one, find gainful employment. Only then can you take on what for you, someone so far behind lifes eight ball, would be the herculean task of getting rid of the right ... good luck with all of that ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:05pm Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:00pm:
It's not indoctrination. It's respect and that's something severely lacking in the Left. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:09pm innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:00pm:
Go and curl back up under your log, troll. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:16pm Kat wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Look friend I can understand your dilemma, you don't think that the meek should inherit the earth, you believe that the illiterate bogan underclass of welfare dependent bludgers and layabouts should inherit the earth ... and you are their number one ticket holder. ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:55pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:59pm:
And if you do, you will be dealt with in the fullness of time. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:00pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
Cowards like this need to be rounded up and shot for being the traitors that they are, Herbie. Imagine education being neutral. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:06pm Soren wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:00pm:
Good question, old boy. Is the teaching of Christian doctrine indoctrination? Now. I expect Corinthians 2 printed out in perfect handwriting by tomorrow. No excuses.If I see one mistake in the Lord’s Word, I’ll have you in the bottom. Dirty little invert. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:06pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
It is indoctrination. I went to a Catholic primary school. It is indoctrination, the Jesuit principle of “give me a child until seven and I will have the man for life.” Religion, the worship of a deity or deities that do not and have never existed, a worship that implants guilt where none should be. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kiron22 on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:07pm
Holy poo the right wing crybaby victim complex in this thread. I've never seen such hyperbolic slippery slopes in my life. University students giving a voice to minorities and fighting bigotry is now comparable to the khmer rouge? Anti-science nonsense like climate change denial should given equal space as real science? What next anti vaxx pseudoscience should be allowed uncritically in hospitals?
Holy poo the righties on this forum are literally insane. Also for all the complaints about "safe spaces" isn't it funny its only now an issue that minorities are critiquing structureal racism and sexism. Never was a problem when every thing was a safe space for white people and every thing was whitewashed. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm Kiron22 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:07pm:
Yes. Some of them are. Literally insane. I could name names, but everyone knows who they are. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:15pm Kiron22 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:07pm:
Moderators, remove this post immediately. It undermines and white-ants Herbie’s point of view, it’s totally unfair. Remember this traitor’s name, Herbie. We’ll deal with him in the fullness of time. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by sir prince duke alevine on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:36am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
How many would you say? I count 12. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by sir prince duke alevine on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:37am
Let's study this a bit closer.
Poll. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:27am mariacostel wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
I think that the Media should be too but then we have NEWS Ltd openly undermining our democracy with no controls of any sort in place. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:30am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:37am:
Difficult poll I am having trouble deciding as I don't keep a running total and prefer to see the best in people. I suspect that it is more than the first group but hope it isn't more than the second and I would like to believe that some of them are at least partially sane even though it isn't obviously shown to be the case. I will have to think about it. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:13am
How many insane righties? ;) ;).
at my local pub, i would almost be looked upon as a communist leftard apologist. the locals live in a thought bubble echo chamber that is straight out of "one nation". when my daughters friends from uni come over (several of whom are in young labor), i bear witness to boys and girls (around 20 to 22) who are emotionally unstable. they vary from crying tears about assylum seekers they have never met to crying tears about transgenders they have never met (but who they think get a hard time) to getting all Raah Raah about the next "get-up" rally. i personally think that echo chambers are bad for anyone. they lead to a forced feedback loop and increasing polarisation and loss of rapport. the greenie hating farmers thru to the church hating lefties. intelligent people are 2 things 1 economically conservative (close to the swag position) 2 socially liberal (couldnt care about issues like gay marriage or abortion). they are socially liberal because they are too busy taking advantage of their economic conservatism. the lefties who live in australia in 2015 and arent doing well , who think times are tough who think the average joe is being ripped off by the system are close to insane. to not recognise all the gifts of free enterprise, to not recognise all the opportunities of free eneterprise. to miss out on it all , due to some warped belief system that the "Man" is keeping them ground down. I'm telling you, thats just insane ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kiron22 on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:34am
Oh having empathy and criticism of capital and status quo power realations is being close minded according to a sociopath like yourself.
The absolute lack of self awareness among the right is crazy. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by sir prince duke alevine on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:44am aquascoot wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:13am:
Uhmmmmm, you have no idea what social liberalism is. They don't care about gay marriage in the sense that they don't care who sleeps with who because it's not government business, and hence there should be no laws attributed with it. But it's not that they "don't care about gay marriage" as you put it. Those are confused people who pretend they want limited government intervention, but are such religious nut jobs that the government must get involved in upholding their fictional book. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:02am Dnarever wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:43pm:
Thats more than a bit naive. IN tertiary education the left-wing influence is extreme. Pretending otherwise doesnt change that. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:04am Kiron22 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:07pm:
Ah... the communist speaks... and is ignored because of that fact. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:05am Dnarever wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:27am:
No controls?? none at all? The paranoia runs deep in this one. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:41am mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:02am:
I done engineering where there was no influence either way at all. I knew people in economics and Law and found a strong influence to the right I suspect similar with medical. The arts are to the left and I imagine some are balanced. Even in the worst areas the vast majority of educators stay away from politics. Universities may have changed since I was there due to the difficult time that the Liberals continually give them. Any Teacher Lecturer or student would be crazy to vote Liberal. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:46am mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:05am:
Effectively no controls at all - it isn't paranoia when it is true. It is a fact that over most of the last 40 years News Ltd have openly supported the Liberals and undermined Labor often dishonestly continually spreading anti Labor propaganda in the community to the extent that it has had a strong impact on a significant number of election results. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:59am
These are obviously not observations you've made any time recently. I'd guess you either never observed it yourself but went along with the groupthink, or observed it 20 years ago and closed the topic off in your mind forever.
News.ltd was gunning for abbots head since about a month into the job. I mentioned before how their agenda is identical to the huffing ton post - go and look at the news.com.au and tell me they're right wing. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:49am Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
Respect? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D you have no idea ... how is a nun pulling the hair on a 10 yr old because he didn't go to church on the previous Sunday teaching respect? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:11am mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:04am:
No, you'd be ignoring him because he's essentially correct. And what he said has nothing to do with communism. But then, if you actually KNEW anything about communism, you'd know that. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:37am ... wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:59am:
More than 20 years ago in terms of attendance but have to wonder how anyone would expect to remain current. Certainly nobody posting uninformed opinion here. I also worked at Sydney uni for a period in a medical science discipline and never heard any lecturer talk on politics at any time with the exception of funding related matters and grant applications when Howard was PM. I would be surprised to find that half the lecturers were not conservatives. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 28th, 2015 at 11:00am Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:11am:
Don't argue Kat ... Maria wrote reports for a living, she knows and she doesn't speak to poor people. :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 2:17pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:46am:
So if the DT ran a story saying that Shorten was a pedo rapist and Gillard was a lesbian, do you think there might be some legal problems to flow? If so, then there ARE controls. Of course only one word in that first sentence is unjustified! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 28th, 2015 at 2:43pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 2:17pm:
The only legal problem that MIGHT follow is private litigation. This is not control. It’s not an independent press council with the power to issue penalties, it’s not a criminal law, and there’s no umpire. The DT can say whatever it likes with no state-sanctioned control, just like every other newspaper or website. TV and radio are different - they come under the Broadcast Act and the Ministry of Communications. Newspapers, and the new medium of websites, are completely unregulated. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:27pm
The Right call us closed-minded, when it is our very open-mindedness which they fear.
An open mind is the enemy of, and the antidote to conservatism. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:44pm Karnal wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
Tell that to the SMH and their 'hockey for sale' story fiasco. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:45pm Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:27pm:
You are the worst example of a close-minded bigot on here. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:35pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:45pm:
If so I wonder how he could have possibly beaten you..... no you win. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:48pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
Hockey took them on off his own bat. How do you think News ltd would have gone had people like Rudd taken the same approach with things like the Hogan's heroes front page or the many others. Didn't Hockey finish out of pocket ? He was awarded $200K but his legal bill was over a Million. He won only 3 of 15 matters he sued for. That is 12 of the claims in the story were justified. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:21pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
Oh, I see. You think a politician suing a newspaper is a form of press control. Jolly good. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:23pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
and you claim others have comprehension problems ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:26pm
The Levesen inquiry helped to establish an independent press council in the UK in the wake of the News of the World fiasco. Prior to that, there was a "watchdog" made up of ex-tabloid editors. This council ignored and covered up the phone-tapping scandal at every turn, along with the London Met. This was an operation that had almost every celebrity, politician and royal in the UK, along with thousands of ordinary citizens, under illegal surveillance. Anything they did - private phone calls, bank transactions, business deals, affairs - could be (and was) published in the Tabloids.
It was in this light, the Finklestein review recommended an independent press council in Australia. News Ltd, of course, didn't like it. Their response was the infamous Tele front-page with Labor ministers photoshopped as communist dictators. Piers, Bolt and Divine took the lead. The shockjocks followed suit. Newspapers are still among the biggest agenda setters in the nation. The furore of the Tele alone saw the Finklestein report shelved. Just imagine, a newspaper can still say whatever it likes with no censure whatsoever. The press council can only make recommendations, and those recommendations are made by appointees of the newspapers. Self regulation has given us News Ltd, and there's a reason self regulation (no regulation) still exists: no politician in the English-speaking world wants to go against Rupert Murdoch. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:46pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:45pm:
BAAAAAAhahahahaha!!!! |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by innocentbystander. on Nov 28th, 2015 at 11:52pm Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:46pm:
Yes, the deranged laugh of the mentally deficient. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by The Grappler on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:02am Dnarever wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:48pm:
If they are not for sale, why are not lobbying opportunities apportioned on the basis of merit rather than offering a campaign donation? Nuff Said... |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:29am Kiron22 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:07pm:
What does the political agenda of 'progressives' have to do with higher education? İf they want to play politics then there's The Greens and the Labor party to join. Higher education is far too important to be the play thing of a bunch of rebels with a burning hatred of everything Western. 'Progressives' are only selling students short of a proper education with their one-eyed view of the world. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:33am Kat wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 5:27pm:
You're the most closed-minded and violent person on the forum. People would only fear you because you're a psychopath. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:55am Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:14am:
The only solution İ can see correcting this is to stop funding certain departments. There'll be no internal reform, as the personalities within the academe are too authoritarian, and the upcoming generation of academics is no different from the last. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:21am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:33am:
Get stuffed, troll. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:24am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 11:52pm:
And you can go and fock yourself, too. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kiron22 on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:38am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:29am:
Its almost like when you get a higher education especially in humanities which stresses critical thinking and analytical skills, people develop more nuanced views that allow them to look past the simple black/white narrative of reactionary conservatism. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Armchair_Politician on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:49am Kat wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:21am:
You're a closed-minded, violent troll freak who enjoys focking herself and refuses to accept other points of view. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:58am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:29am:
What does the political agenda of 'progressives' have to do with higher education? [/quote] yeah ... cause the conservative never bring politics into it :D :D :D :D https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30218586/shocking-racist-white-student-union-facebook-page-launched-in-qld/ |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 29th, 2015 at 9:00am Kiron22 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:38am:
i havent found that. ive been to plenty of leftard intellectual dinner parties and they are concrete in their thinking. they cannot and will not accept a nuanced point. i think its an intellectual arrogance. i actually find them more set in their ways then your average joe. a lot of average joes are outside the cloistered environment of academia. they mix with aborigines and find a lot good blokes, their kids date asians and they like them, they get out in nature and understand the importance of landcare. i doubt a lot of university academics have met an aborigine, have met an ice user, have met a pig shooter. their lack of "reference experiences" leaves them totally unable to understand nuance. its why the cabby often knows more then the politician and certainly more then the academic. if someone spent 5 years studying the bio mechanics of horse riding at the ANU and wrote a PH D on it, you think they'd ride better then my kids who learnt first hand ? academics need to get out more. they are academics because they dont like the idea of getting out at all |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 29th, 2015 at 11:03am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:55am:
Health & Hygiene will be excluded, Mistie. You clean out "progressives". There will always be funding for that. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:31pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:33am:
If you saw Kat coming through your front door would you call 000, arm yourself with a knife or shoot first? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:33pm Kiron22 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:38am:
The humanaties can also be hotbeds of left-wing ideology. Not a lot of great inventors come from the humanities. Anyhow, you are a communist so you literally destroy your credibility when you admit that. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:38pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:31pm:
As strange as it may seem, what this Country needs is a successful terrorist attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent people take control of our security. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kat on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:54pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:31pm:
Ferk off, troll. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aussie100percent on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:58pm Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
you would have thought the stabbing of the police in Melbourne and the shooting of the police accountant in sydney would be enough But no their to ^&^%^$** dumb >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by stunspore on Nov 29th, 2015 at 11:06pm
All this over an article from the UK. Pointless.
Any different from say, a church talking about the evils of homosexuality, a mosque sprouting islamic stuff, or bunch of rich old guys/gals sitting at a club thinking up ways of rentseeking? People will just bounce off each other in an exponential positive feedback loop until something gives. Nothing peculiar. I suppose people might think Unis are very particularly biased. Well they are generally reliant on public funding - which by nature is something the "conservatives" hate unless they can influence them to make sure votes go their way, I suppose. The only time they don't mind public funding is when it goes to their mates' companies or their own pockets. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:08am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:33am:
Have you met Longy, Misty? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:01am Kiron22 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:38am:
Being critical and analytical doesn't automatically equate to left-wing views. In fact, critical and analytical thinking doesn't lean either way - they are merely tools for examination and understanding. If you believe critical and analytical thinking is the domain of leftism, ask yourself why 95% of Humanities and Social Science graduates are a facsimile of each other. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:02am John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:58am:
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That is an out of class group. I have nothing against politics outside the class room. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:19am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:01am:
in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right. they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck. it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy" 2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse. let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered. the rich cohort fall to the right the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left. surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis. Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically. No, the left are ruled by their Emotions. In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions" lefties should read it. wisdom of the world available for 29.95. a great christmas present. read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table. ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:51am aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:19am:
in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right. Interesting but I would think not from my experience. You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway. The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc. I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children. I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed. Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area. Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:27am Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:51am:
Very interesting DNA. i would not deny that Rudd was an intelligent man. i would not deny that Joh Bjelke was not highly intelligent. But , by your own admission, intelligence does not equate with success. i believe this to be true. persistence, hard work, not being emotional, studying other successful people, having a life purpose..... these are the things that lead to success in most aspects of life. now i also think that they are the attributes that make a great leader. this is the main criticism of the lefty intellectual surely this is my criticism of the people (so called experts on Q and A) They are living entirely in their head. The other attributes (the ben chiffley locomotive driver attributes) are more important to good leadership then the intellectual elite attributes. Gough and Kevin were smart men if you wanted a smart man to orate at a dinner party to a bunch of sycophants. but i would take a ben chiffley any day of the week. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:28am Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:51am:
The real confusion is on how most of you define right and left. There is scarcely a genuine left-winger here. Kiron and Green certainly are. The rest of you are centre right or fully right. Unfortunately, most of you seem to think that someone having a slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger while you then think you are a leftie. If you spent even ten minutes in debate with a genuine left-winger you would quickly discover that you have very little in common. Next clue: the ALP is a centre-RIGHT party as is the coalition. the Greens are left. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:39am mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:28am:
slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger I agree that Labor are a centre right party. The conservative view is considerably further to the right of this point. i.e significantly further right of centre right puts you where ? Using the word slightly is a trick that fails to hold water there is no slightly about it. I have come to terms that I am considered a lefty here because I am clearly left of being far to the right. I consider myself to be a little right on economy and a little left on social issues but have changed a bit the last decade or so. The Howard government moved my views further to the left or further away from the Liberal party position anyway. People who assume that I support Labor or agree with their policies are not correct a lot of the time. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:50am mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:28am:
dont tell Monk ;) |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kytro on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:57am Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:14am:
Politics and ideology can make people closed-minded. If you think this is restricted any particular leaning, you are in for a surprise. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by mariacostel on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:53am Dnarever wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:39am:
There is virtually no difference between ALP and Libs on the left-right spectrum. Barely a paper-thickness. ON policies of substance there is total agreement and the variations are on the details only. If you want to dispute this find a policy of absolute difference. You will struggle to do so. The devil may be in the details, but it still puts labor and libs in pretty much the same place in the political spectrum. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 30th, 2015 at 10:10am mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:53am:
Which is why we've all wondered why you go to such great lengths with your maths, dear. Why do you bother? |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:19pm stunspore wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 11:06pm:
It's very different. Universities are meant to teach knowledge and produce independent thinkers. The groups you mention don't. Quote:
The mission of the universities should stand above left and right. Teaching knowledge and producing independent thinkers is far more important than the political agenda of "progressives". |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:20pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:08am:
I've not seen him say he wants to kill those who oppose him. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:24pm aquascoot wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:19am:
Yeah. The left are far more emotional than the right; although, if you go to the far right then they're on par with the lefties. I am far more interested in reading critiques of social conservatism and libertarianism from other conservatives and libertarians. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:42pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:19pm:
Do you think independent thought can be taught? I've seen too many people unable to comprehend what seem like intuitive concepts to believe that. I think you've either got it, or you haven't. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Culture Warrior on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:14pm ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:42pm:
It probably depends on what is meant by independent thought. I interpret it as: the ability to comprehend and know logical fallacies; the ability to know one's own biases and interests; the ability to construct arguments; the honesty to follow an evidence trail; being cognizant of the difference between description and judgment. I believe this can be taught, but only to the select few. But, perhaps you are right, in that the ability to learn all this relies on a certain personality type. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Honky on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:27pm
Some of those can be taught, but I think the biggie that can't is the ability to know ones biases and interests.
If you're not an introverted personality type, I'm not sure you can ever really have the capacity for introspection and mindfulness that it requires. Knowing the difference being judgement and description is another. It could perhaps be trained rather than learnt, but it requires a level of control of emotion that not everyone possesses. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Soren on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:30pm ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:42pm:
The first task of teachers of independent thought is to point out all the lay-lines and song-lines of dependent thought. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by John Smith on Nov 30th, 2015 at 9:41pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 7:20pm:
he once said he hoped a terrorist would bomb Australia so that the lefties could learn a lesson :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:34pm John Smith wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 9:41pm:
Mistie agrees, as long as everyone involved in the clean-up is suitably trained and accredited. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Karnal on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:40pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 8:14pm:
Preferably someone dull, well-fed, and without an independent bone in their body. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by philperth2010 on Nov 30th, 2015 at 11:49pm
Those of you who think lumping individuals into a collective is not closed minded should take a look at themselves!!!
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by double plus good on Dec 1st, 2015 at 3:51am
The left need the truth to be warm and cuddly. Mature minded people make decisions purely on the way things are and not how they wish they were.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Dnarever on Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:04am
It is impressive how many people have the problems that they ascribe to others.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by aquascoot on Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:08am Dnarever wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:04am:
counter-transference |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:54am double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 3:51am:
We see this every time global warming is discussed! :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by double plus good on Dec 1st, 2015 at 9:17am
Exactly, Monk. The bored, middle class leftards NEED their global, socialist cause. Never mind veracity in scientific evidence as long as the luvvies can beat their chest over it, that's all that matters.
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Jovial Monk on Dec 1st, 2015 at 9:20am
No, the RWNJs are scared out of their shoes by AGW so pretend it doesn’t exist.
Farmers are having to change age-old practices because of AGW hitting their properties but scared–sh1tless-of-change RWNJs rationalise that away. Closed minds on the Right! Q.E.D. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by double plus good on Dec 1st, 2015 at 10:50am
For once I agree with you entirely. The leftards are too afraid of being proven wrong and thus being shown up as the hysterical m.o.r.o.n.s everyone knows they are to listen to critical evidence regardless of how compelling. Who would've thought we would agree on something such as 'climate change'? Wonders never cease!
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by Kiron22 on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:10pm
This entire thread is flat out hilarious, the sheer level of dunning-kruger and cognitive dissonence is astounding
- The right have better critical thinking skills - Which is why the right ignore all evidence and science and rely entirely on appeals to tradition and status quo - The left want a safe space hugbox - Which is why the right actively tries to censor anybody that dares question justification behind beliefs, tradition and institutions - The left have no nuanced view of the world and don't base their views on reality (largely meaning, "why can't the left accept non-western people/darkies are subhuman") - While the right bases all their views on debunked 19th century racial theory and the Daily Mail/News Corp. Yeah, the left are the delusional ones. Now explain to us again dear right wingers how the Stolen Generation is a myth and never happened, this is literally the stance of many editorials in News Corp newspapers and Andrew Bolt. |
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Title: Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left Post by double plus good on Dec 1st, 2015 at 2:07pm
Your terminology sounds familiar. Oh yes that's right. Hipster newspeak direct from the uni bar. Meanwhile in the real world...
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