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Message started by Pantheon on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:26am

Title: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Pantheon on Nov 27th, 2015 at 11:26am
Fossil fuels and most other natural resources are limited and dwindling as we all know, and the economy will inevitably run out of these natural resources resulting in shortages.. As these resources become scarcer and therefore more expensive, all businesses will have to figure out how to do more with less.

So what is the solution? Well Green Capitalism of course

Green Capitalism or Eco Capitalism, tells us that using fewer resources such as energy, raw materials, water etc is not only good for the planet but also for profits. The less a company spends on inputs and the more efficiently it runs its operations, the heftier its margins will be; being ecologically prudent is a surefire way to boost the bottom line. What’s more, those who’ve shifted to eco-friendly methods will be poised to clobber their less-green competitors when shortages of our natural resources finally start to hit home.

Our current "Industrial capitalism" often neglects to assign any real value to natural resources and living systems, as well as the social and cultural systems, Eco Capitalism addresses this flaw in  "Industrial capitalism"

Biomimicry  for instance The silk that a spider spins is incredibly strong, as strong as Kevlar, which is used in body armor. Spiders spin this from digested bugs—no external energy, no synthetic chemicals, nothing else, this compared to the making of Kevlar where today you need a lot of energy and all kinds of chemical inputs, which produces a lot of toxic waste.

Another idea is leasing consumer products such as cell phones or refrigerators. You get the service—the ability to communicate and keep your food cold—without buying the actual hardware. Because manufacturers lease out these goods and take them back—for repairs and salvaging parts for new units—they have the incentive to turn out the most durable and serviceable commodities possible. Currently Xerox uses the service-leasing model with a line of its copiers, Document Centre, and it has led to a dramatic cut in waste—on the production side and the consumption side. This transformation of how we produce and consume is already happening and can be implemented across the board in a range of other sectors.

So is Green Capitalism or Eco Capitalism the next stage of our current economic system?

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by beer on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Maqqa on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:42pm
The so called "Eco" capitalism of using less for more has been in place since Adam was a boy

So the Greens can't be claiming credit for it

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:51pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:42pm:
The so called "Eco" capitalism of using less for more has been in place since Adam was a boy

So the Greens can't be claiming credit for it

Using less for more certainly isn't new, but the idea that, "..the more efficiently we learn to use a resource then the more of that resource we actually use," is. ( :-? :-? relatively speaking of course!)

:) :)

Cost curves, and therefore opportunity cost curves, aren't linear.

Or you could call it diminishing returns: same thing!


--> And now it's back to maqqa for the last word  ::)  :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Daleks_net_MUST_EXTERMINATE on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:56pm

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.

great: what should we do with all that freedom? I know: let's go watch some more hollywood propaganda and get all inspired to buy new watches and maybe another car and some freaking tattoos saying something spun-out in another language cos like we is all artists and stuff  :o :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by beer on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:06am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.

great: what should we do with all that freedom? I know: let's go watch some more hollywood propaganda and get all inspired to buy new watches and maybe another car and some freaking tattoos saying something spun-out in another language cos like we is all artists and stuff  :o :o :o :o :o :o


Greater the waste is, better the economy and living standard. That's fundamental difference from western to east, don't you know. More you save, poorer you are. Social develope is driven by demand.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:45am

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.


Nobody wants to set fire to oil anymore that's why the price is low !!

It's the caveman technology of the past !!

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:48am

beer wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:06am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.

great: what should we do with all that freedom? I know: let's go watch some more hollywood propaganda and get all inspired to buy new watches and maybe another car and some freaking tattoos saying something spun-out in another language cos like we is all artists and stuff  :o :o :o :o :o :o


Greater the waste is, better the economy and living standard. That's fundamental difference from western to east, don't you know. More you save, poorer you are. Social develope is driven by demand.


Is that why you chinese are always lined up outside the Louis Vuitton shops :D LOL

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by beer on Nov 28th, 2015 at 11:52am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:48am:

beer wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:06am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.

great: what should we do with all that freedom? I know: let's go watch some more hollywood propaganda and get all inspired to buy new watches and maybe another car and some freaking tattoos saying something spun-out in another language cos like we is all artists and stuff  :o :o :o :o :o :o


Greater the waste is, better the economy and living standard. That's fundamental difference from western to east, don't you know. More you save, poorer you are. Social develope is driven by demand.


Is that why you chinese are always lined up outside the Louis Vuitton shops :D LOL


It's exactly opposite. Spend $2k to buy a plastic bag, it is waste of money, but not waste of goods. It doesn't create any real demand.

Do you know their sales went pretty bad now since anti-corruption begun in China last year. So you know why they lined up, it's not consumption by consumers, but part of corruption operation process. ;)

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Sun Tzu on Nov 28th, 2015 at 12:15pm
The poms are a bus length ahead of closet poms in this field. Being upwind has an advantage.


Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by mariacostel on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:15pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:45am:

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.


Nobody wants to set fire to oil anymore that's why the price is low !!

It's the caveman technology of the past !!



No one uses cars or aircraft anymore?


You are a twit.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Sun Tzu on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:35pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:45am:

beer wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:44pm:
Is this post from 1970s? There is no resource issue any more, don't you see the oil price is below $50.


Nobody wants to set fire to oil anymore that's why the price is low !!

It's the caveman technology of the past !!


No one uses cars or aircraft anymore?


Not since the poo bus.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by mitasol on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:14pm
Remember the peak oil panic? Typical greens chicken little crap.

We need to approach climate change responsibly with solutions other than "stop everything". Climate change has been with us for centuries, we need to adapt because we can't change climate.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by beer on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:25pm

mitasol wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Remember the peak oil panic? Typical greens chicken little crap.

We need to approach climate change responsibly with solutions other than "stop everything". Climate change has been with us for centuries, we need to adapt because we can't change climate.


It's right attitude. Adapte to changes, that's the answer to all challenges.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by Sun Tzu on Nov 28th, 2015 at 8:58pm

beer wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:25pm:

mitasol wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:14pm:
Remember the peak oil panic? Typical greens chicken little crap.

We need to approach climate change responsibly with solutions other than "stop everything". Climate change has been with us for centuries, we need to adapt because we can't change climate.


It's right attitude. Adapte to changes, that's the answer to all challenges.


The peak oil scare was a good omen which caused people to be more economic with hydrocarbon fuels.

Title: Re: The Next Industrial Revolution
Post by issuevoter on Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:20pm
I truly wish I could sympathise with the OP, but greed and the perpetuation of one's genetic code will trump all attempts to plan or organize a better future.

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