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Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114

Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee?

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Quote: Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114 Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee?

So how many people have these douchebags killed then?? :-?

I always thought this was an almost an exclusively American phenomenon.

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Australian sovereign citizen faced court more than 200 times John Wilson has been identified by senior police sources as an extremist member of the sovereign citizen movement in Australia. The 73-year-old retired dentist has been fighting the system for 20 years. His path towards sovereign ideology started in the late 1990s, when he was evicted from his home because he refused to acknowledge the mortgage over his house. "It means you are your own master, in other words you have the right to your own body, your own freedoms, and if anybody wants to impose something upon you, they have to do it lawfully. "If you are a sovereign person, you make the laws for yourself. You decide in your own conscience what you want to do." Mr Wilson only pays fines or taxes when he thinks they are fair. He has been to court more than 200 times and jailed. In 1997 he threw a plastic bag containing yellow liquid at a Supreme Court judge, in 2006 he attempted a citizen's arrest of a Supreme Court judge and in 2009, Mr Wilson sent a letter to the police commissioner. In it, he threatened to burn down the premises he was evicted from. He said that he was the victim of a government conspiracy and that there were hundreds of other Australians who shared his beliefs. "There would be many hundreds scattered across the continent. The Queenslanders are very conscientious, the Victorians are doing a good job and even now in Western Australia we are getting more and more farmers and ordinary people, saying no, this is not right," Mr Wilson said. "At the moment I have membership of about 95 people, but I haven't really pushed it." Deadly US attacks linked to movement The sovereign citizen movement began in 1969 in the United States as an anti-tax, anti-government group called Posse Comitatus. Members believed that the United States federal authority was unlawful, and only accepted small levels of government. Up to 300,000 Americans identify as sovereign citizens, according to the Southern Poverty Law Centre. Of those, 100,000 are considered extreme. Before the 2001 World Trade Centre terrorist attacks in New York, the most destructive loss of life during peacetime in the United States was the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. 168 people died, including 19 children under the age of six. The two key conspirators were domestic terrorists and Timothy McVeigh's partner in the attack was Terry Nichols, a person designated by the FBI as a sovereign citizen. Since the Oklahoma bombing, 32 law enforcement officers have been murdered by domestic anti-government extremists in America. Two of the officers killed were serving under former Chief of the West Memphis police, Bob Paudert in May 2010. One of them was his son, Brandon Paudert. "It has been five-and-a-half years since he has been killed and it was the most devastating event that has occurred in my life," Bob Paudert told 7.30. Sergeant Brandon Paudert and his partner, Officer Bill Evans, were shot and killed during a traffic stop by sovereign citizen Jerry Kane Jr and his 16-year-old son Joseph Kane. "Brandon and Bill were killed because they had never heard of sovereign citizens. It was something new to them, they didn't know about them," Mr Paudert said. "I am convinced of this — if they knew and they had the training that we are now giving officers around the country and around the world, they would be alive today. They would be with us." Since their deaths, Bob Paudert has worked closely with the Southern Poverty Law Centre in Alabama and the FBI to train law enforcement officials in the United States and Canada about the dangers sovereign citizens potentially pose. "No-one had heard of sovereign citizens in May 2010, now the FBI says that they are the number one threat in this country. Australia is facing a similar scenario that we went through and it's starting the same way," he warned. "They didn't commit acts of terrorism over here at one time. Now they do. And you can't wait. You can't wait until you lose officers, or officers are killed, to decide to do anything."

Number one terrorist threat on the FBI's watch list.

When will they ever learn?

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:08pm:

So how many people have these douchebags killed then?? :-?

Not sure in Australia but quite a lot in the US over the past 6-7 years.

You should hear about some of the batshit mass terrorist attacks some Libertarian Militia's had planned. One I remember was they planned on killing cops, then hiding, waiting for the big funeral parade for the killed cops, then bombing the funeral procession/state funeral with dirty bombs. When the Militia compound was raided, they found live, active nuclear material in IED devices.

Absolutely f***ing psychos and becoming an larger and larger movement especially online. 4chan and Reddit are already becoming the launching grounds for Far-right extremist attacks in the real world as their admin staff live in delusion and refuse to do anything about the huge growth of far-right libertarian/extremist neo-nazi groups on their websites.

[quote author=double_plus_good link=1448935310/1#1 date=1448935716]So how many people have these douchebags killed then?? :-?[/quote]

You must have missed the last 20 years of news coming out of the US, Homo. WACO, the Oklahoma State bomber, the unibomber, the shoe bomber, various random shootings, abortion clinic killings, and numerous armed militias who've sworn to fight the US government and believe they have the constitutional right to do so.

Who's side are you on?

Date

Country

City/State

Killed

Injured

Description

4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/1/1973 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.

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Mr Wilson only pays fines or taxes when he thinks they are fair. He has been to court more than 200 times and jailed. In 1997 he threw a plastic bag containing yellow liquid at a Supreme Court judge, in 2006 he attempted a citizen's arrest of a Supreme Court judge and in 2009, Mr Wilson sent a letter to the police commissioner. In it, he threatened to burn down the premises he was evicted from. He said that he was the victim of a government conspiracy and that there were hundreds of other Australians who shared his beliefs.

A Muslim refuses to stand up in court and it's a national disgrace. A knucklehead throws urine at a judge and it's business as usual.

I blame Islam.

Shoot them.

The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia?

They have Australian citizenship

8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 An angry Muslim runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
4/12/2009 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
4/30/2011 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
9/11/2011 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
1/15/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
11/12/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2/7/2013 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
3/24/2013 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
4/15/2013 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
4/19/2013 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
8/4/2013 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
3/6/2014 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
6/25/2014 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
9/25/2014 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
7/16/2015 USA Chattanooga 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.

Hide under your bed, the Sovereigns are coming!!!!!

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:19pm:

11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American. 1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid. 11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel. 1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters. 2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers. 3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old. 3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack. 4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim. 3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner. 9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building. 9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon. 9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured. 3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course. 5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard. 7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people. 9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range. 9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one. 9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers. 10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot. 10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period. 10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team. 10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas. 10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot. 10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.

That's terrible, Homo. Fancy the FBI having decent white citizens on the top of their domestic terrorism list.

Who's side are you on? You haven't said.

Wow, yet another muslim extremist supporting love fest thread from the left.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:22pm:

The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship

Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia.

But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too?

Come on Knowledge, they don't have the points behind them to be number one. Somebody is lying. The Sovereigns better bring down a couple of skyscrapers or crash a couple of loaded planes and I'll take them as seriously as the Muslims. Come on Sovereigns , let's see what you've got!!!

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:27pm:

Wow, yet another muslim extremist supporting love fest thread from the left.

These people appall me, Progressives. The apologists in the police force should get their priorities straight.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too?

Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists'

Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Come on Knowledge, they don't have the points behind them to be number one. Somebody is lying. The Sovereigns better bring down a couple of skyscrapers or crash a couple of loaded planes and I'll take them as seriously as the Muslims. Come on Sovereigns , let's see what you've got!!!

Good point, Homo. It has to be two skyscrapers. The Oklahoma State building was only one skyscraper.

The FBI need to stop wasting everybody's time and go after the real crooks.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too? Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists' Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest.

Karnal hates it when people knock her religion and people.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:22pm:

The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship

What a stupid argument.  Monis had an Australian citizenship, and came here legally.  Even stupider is that sovereign citizens don't recognise government authorities, so in their eyes citizenship means diddly anyway.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too? Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists' Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest.

How dare you. Do you know how many Muslim terrorist suspects there are? These people are dangerous and they haven't killed a soul.

You can wait for these people to kill, but I won't. They need to be banned immediately.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:34pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too? Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists' Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest. How dare you. Do you know how many Muslim terrorist suspects there are? These people are dangerous and they haven't killed a soul. You can wait for these people to kill, but I won't. They need to be banned immediately.

Love fest. Didn't make one tiny bit of difference your defense for muslim extremists and collateral damage of people being held. Guilty by association is good enough for me with these murderous tools.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:27pm:

But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too?

why not?

If you were born here then it's difficult to deport - but if you applied for citizenship as a refugee/migrant then we should deport them

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:31pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:29pm: Come on Knowledge, they don't have the points behind them to be number one. Somebody is lying. The Sovereigns better bring down a couple of skyscrapers or crash a couple of loaded planes and I'll take them as seriously as the Muslims. Come on Sovereigns , let's see what you've got!!! Good point, Homo. It has to be two skyscrapers. The Oklahoma State building was only one skyscraper. The FBI need to stop wasting everybody's time and go after the real crooks.

They are Sugar Plum Fairy.

now now Karnal,  i saw that old chap last night on ACA , the lone wolf sovereign citizen.
he looked like an old dementia patient with 2 dodgey hips, cataracts and bunions. i think the average pre schooler could knock him to the ground.

it was ALL about the problem america has with sovereign citizens.  we dont have this problem at all.

youre just being silly.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:34pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too? Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists' Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest. How dare you. Do you know how many Muslim terrorist suspects there are? These people are dangerous and they haven't killed a soul. You can wait for these people to kill, but I won't. They need to be banned immediately. Love fest. Didn't make one tiny bit of difference your defense for muslim extremists and collateral damage of people being held. Guilty by association is good enough for me with these murderous tools.

What does this have to do with Muslim extremists? We're talking about terrorists.

Who's side are you on?

Stratos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship What a stupid argument.  Monis had an Australian citizenship, and came here legally.  Even stupider is that sovereign citizens don't recognise government authorities, so in their eyes citizenship means diddly anyway.

For a person who was born in Australia - where would you deport him/her once you revoke his citizenship?

For Monis you can revoke his citizenship and he has to go back to wherever he came from

If he's lost the citizenship of his homeland - then he becomes a homeless alien. He can then live in detention forever

aquascoot wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:41pm:

now now Karnal,  i saw that old chap last night on ACA , the lone wolf sovereign citizen. he looked like an old dementia patient with 2 dodgey hips, cataracts and bunions. i think the average pre schooler could knock him to the ground. it was ALL about the problem america has with sovereign citizens.  we dont have this problem at all. youre just being silly.

Have you read the article, dear? It might help having a little peek.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Stratos wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:34pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship What a stupid argument.  Monis had an Australian citizenship, and came here legally.  Even stupider is that sovereign citizens don't recognise government authorities, so in their eyes citizenship means diddly anyway. For a person who was born in Australia - where would you deport him/her once you revoke his citizenship?

Who cares about that? Plenty of Muslims were born in Australia, but we're happy to deport them.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:41pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:37pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:34pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too? Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists' Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest. How dare you. Do you know how many Muslim terrorist suspects there are? These people are dangerous and they haven't killed a soul. You can wait for these people to kill, but I won't. They need to be banned immediately. Love fest. Didn't make one tiny bit of difference your defense for muslim extremists and collateral damage of people being held. Guilty by association is good enough for me with these murderous tools. What does this have to do with Muslim extremists? We're talking about terrorists. Who's side are you on?

I'm not on the side of the murderous extremists. I will give the group of people who don't go out on murderous rampages a chance to be caught out as they have not shown the tenancy to be murderous extremists.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Who cares about that? Plenty of Muslims were born in Australia, but we're happy to deport them.

I am not aware of any case where Muslims born here and got their citizenship rejected

I read about the Smyth guy who lost his citizenship because he came back to Australia on an Irish passport because he lost his Australian passport overseas

The story is interesting in that
(1) He's born here
(2) Travelled to Ireland on Australian passport
(3) Lost passport
(4) Applied for Irish citizenship then Irish Passport because his dad was Irish
(5) Came back to Australia and kept his Irish citizenship.

Now he's crying.

I say - F#CK him!!!

Stratos wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:08pm:

I always thought this was an almost an exclusively American phenomenon.

Its been around in Australia for several decades.  This is a mild version.  Hutt River Province.

Link.

Why do you care? Citizenship to 99% of people means absolutely nothing. People get British, Irish, European citizenship all the time because simply a EU passport is much more useful than an Australian one when travelling.

Because you give up a piece of paper, doesn't mean culturally and ideologically you're not Australian. Do you think someone who came to Australia at 1 but at say 25 doesn't have an Australian citizenship thinks of themselves as whatever that country they were born in as?

Tony Abbott never gave up his UK citizenship and for good reason, UK (EU) citizenship is useful to have if travelling.

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Why do you care? Citizenship to 99% of people means absolutely nothing. People get British, Irish, European citizenship all the time because simply a EU passport is much more useful than an Australian one when travelling. Because you give up a piece of paper, doesn't mean culturally and ideologically you're not Australian. Do you think someone who came to Australia at 1 but at say 25 doesn't have an Australian citizenship thinks of themselves as whatever that country they were born in as? Tony Abbott never gave up his UK citizenship and for good reason, UK (EU) citizenship is useful to have if travelling.

If they don't value it - then they can F#ck off and not enjoy the benefits of Australian citizenship

They can still get Australian citizenship when you have an EU citizenship. But they are too lazy. If you snooze you lose

As for travelling in Europe - the Australian passport takes advantage of the schengen agreement. There are 26 countries. If you are not traveling to one of these 26 then take sometime to apply for a VISA

It gets down to being a lazy a$$

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:41pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:37pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:34pm: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:29pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:27pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:22pm: The main difference with these people and the illegals entering Australia? They have Australian citizenship Thanks for clarifying the difference here, Maqqa. The police thinks it's a question of terrorism. It's good to know this is all about Team Australia. But hang on - aren't we going to deport citizens too? Well when we see deaths, we may start to go 'maybe these are terrorists' Until then, continue on with your lefty muslim extremist love fest. How dare you. Do you know how many Muslim terrorist suspects there are? These people are dangerous and they haven't killed a soul. You can wait for these people to kill, but I won't. They need to be banned immediately. Love fest. Didn't make one tiny bit of difference your defense for muslim extremists and collateral damage of people being held. Guilty by association is good enough for me with these murderous tools. What does this have to do with Muslim extremists? We're talking about terrorists. Who's side are you on? I'm not on the side of the murderous extremists. I will give the group of people who don't go out on murderous rampages a chance to be caught out as they have not shown the tenancy to be murderous extremists.

Are you excusing these people just because they haven't been caught?

What kind of heinous, handwringing, cowardly, evasive, spineless apologism is that?

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:42pm: Who cares about that? Plenty of Muslims were born in Australia, but we're happy to deport them. I am not aware of any case where Muslims born here and got their citizenship rejected

That doesn't matter. If you don't support them being deported, you'll be dealt with in the fullness of time.

Ban them. Shoot them. Deport them. Nuke them.

If you don't like it, leave.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:42pm: Who cares about that? Plenty of Muslims were born in Australia, but we're happy to deport them. I am not aware of any case where Muslims born here and got their citizenship rejected That doesn't matter. If you don't support them being deported, you'll be dealt with in the fullness of time. Ban them. Shoot them. Deport them. Nuke them. If you don't like it, leave.

Amen

If you are wondering where these RWNJ's are look no further than reclaim australia.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 3:50pm: Maqqa wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:42pm: Who cares about that? Plenty of Muslims were born in Australia, but we're happy to deport them. I am not aware of any case where Muslims born here and got their citizenship rejected That doesn't matter. If you don't support them being deported, you'll be dealt with in the fullness of time. Ban them. Shoot them. Deport them. Nuke them. If you don't like it, leave. Amen

That wasn't a prayer, Maqqa. It was a call to war.

Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:32pm:

Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal.

I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally.

Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors.

I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on?

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on?

You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on? You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism.

Haven't you? I have.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on? You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism.

How does it feel to be an evasive terrorist apologist? I hope you're happy when they send the cattle truck round at 3am.

They say to breathe as much of the gas in as you can. It makes you suffer less.

mothra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:46pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:40pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on? You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism. Haven't you? I have.

Can't say I have Mothra. Feel free to dredge one up if you want. I'll take it on the chin if you can find one.

Oh Double i'm not trawling through old threads. But Karnal does not condone terrorism. Not in the slightest.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:50pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:46pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:40pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on? You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism. Haven't you? I have. Can't say I have Mothra. Feel free to dredge one up if you want. I'll take it on the chin if you can find one.

This is a thread on other terrorists, and you've just proven you support them 100%.

You'll be dealt with, don't you worry about that.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:53pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:50pm: mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:46pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:40pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on? You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism. Haven't you? I have. Can't say I have Mothra. Feel free to dredge one up if you want. I'll take it on the chin if you can find one. This is a thread on other terrorists, and you've just proven you support them 100%. You'll be dealt with, don't you worry about that.

I just can't remember you ever stating that you hate Islamic terrorism. In fact when we bang on about it you are always following us around apologising for Muslims.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:53pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:50pm: mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:46pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:40pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm: double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on? You hate all terrorists equally?? hmmmmmm. Never hear you critisizing Islamic terrorism. Haven't you? I have. Can't say I have Mothra. Feel free to dredge one up if you want. I'll take it on the chin if you can find one. This is a thread on other terrorists, and you've just proven you support them 100%. You'll be dealt with, don't you worry about that. I just can't remember you ever stating that you hate Islamic terrorism. In fact when we bang on about it you are always following us around apologising for Muslims.

And you’ve just exposed yourself in this thread. Not only have you apologised for the last 20 years of US terrorism and the FBI’s number one terrorist threat, you’ve shifted the perameters of terrorism to include a minimum of two skyscrapers and a plane.

Utter cowardice. You’ll be dealt with like every other traitor.

You can’t say Herbie and I aren’t fair.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Quote: Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114 Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee?

SOVEREIGNPHOBIA!!!!!!

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 4:36pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 4:32pm: Stop being Sovereignophobic  karnal. I'm not, Homo. I hate all terrorists equally. Stop apologizing for them. If you don't come on board, you'll be rounded up and gassed with the other traitors. I'll give you one more chance - who's side are you on?

K, is gweg over at your place and has he hacked your account

We are all slaves to the Government

Sovereign citizens

as long as they're not muslims, let them bomb away

John Smith wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 6:32pm:

Sovereign citizens as long as they're not muslims, let them bomb away

Sovereignophobe!

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 5:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:01pm: Quote: Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114 Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee? SOVEREIGNPHOBIA!!!!!!

Sheetstainer.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 7:03pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 5:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:01pm: Quote: Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114 Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee? SOVEREIGNPHOBIA!!!!!! Sheetstainer.

Burqastainer.

double plus good wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 7:03pm: Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 5:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:01pm: Quote: Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114 Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee? SOVEREIGNPHOBIA!!!!!! Sheetstainer. Burqastainer.

What did you do with that goat meat, Homo? You never said.

Karnal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2015 at 7:08pm:

double plus good wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 7:04pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 7:03pm: Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 5:22pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 12:01pm: Quote: Sovereign citizens: Terrorism assessment warns of rising threat from anti-government extremists Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a confidential NSW Police report. What are sovereign citizens? •Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government •They consider themselves outside the law •Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat" •In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens •The FBI considers them domestic terrorists The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing. It also suggests they have "the motivation and capability to act against government interests and should be considered a potential terrorist threat". Police records show the number of Australian sovereign citizens in NSW doubled from 2009 to 2011 and nearly tripled from 2009 to 2012. Interactions with police increased 50 per cent in 2011, with a "notable increase in threats of violence". In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies sovereign citizen extremists as domestic terrorists. The US Department of Homeland Security has listed them as the number one domestic terror threat in America. Detective Superintendent John O'Reilly is the commander of the Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics Operation Group for NSW Police. He said NSW police had been examining overseas trends and threats. "Sovereign citizens are people that don't buy into our legal framework, our system of government," he said. "They consider themselves individuals and operate outside the law and outside our tax system." We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path. Police intelligence of incidents involving sovereign citizens in Australia ranges from displaying homemade registration plates and "plans to use paint bombs to disrupt court proceedings", to making plans to kidnap a judge, judicial officials and a police officer. The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property". While Commander O'Reilly stressed Australia had not experienced any of the high impact violence resulting in death or casualties associated with the movement overseas, he said there were indications of radicalisation. "A number of instances have ended up in people being placed under arrest and sometimes there has been a degree of resistance on the basis that they claim that the police officer has no authority over them," he said. "We are always conscious of preventing terrorism and we are mindful of any movements that have the potential to go down that path." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114 Oh, when will the apologists ever wake up and smell the coffee? SOVEREIGNPHOBIA!!!!!! Sheetstainer. Burqastainer. What did you do with that goat meat, Homo? You never said.

Threw it in the bin. If luminol was sprayed on your everyday burqa you'd light up like a pinball machine karnal. The end result of sticky moments in the back of the Econovan with the blokes from down at the mosque.

Didn’t it attract the flies? What did your mum say?