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Message started by Sir Crook on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:00am

Title: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by Sir Crook on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:00am
Ethanol push: motorists warned of $1.4 billion petrol price sting   :(

Date
    December 2, 2015
    Canberra Times

NSW motorists face paying up to 8¢ more per litre for petrol under changes being considered by the state government

Motorists are being warned they could pay up to 8¢ a litre more for petrol – or as much as $1.4 billion extra at the pump – if the state government proceeds with measures to boost the amount of ethanol sold in NSW.   :(

Small retailers says they will be forced to introduce the price hike over three years to recoup the cost of upgrades if their current exemption from having to sell ethanol-blended fuel is scrapped without compensation of up to $326 million.

In NSW, major retailers must try to ensure ethanol accounts for 6 per cent of all petrol sold, via the E10 blend. Retailers with fewer than 20 sites are exempt.
"Claimed environmental benefits that don't exist": Greens MP John Kaye.

"Claimed environmental benefits that don't exist": Greens MP John Kaye. Photo: James Alcock

But ethanol accounts for only about 2.7 per cent of all petrol sold in NSW.

The issue will be considered by cabinet before the end of the year and as early as this week.

Understood to be under consideration is banning the sale of regular unleaded petrol; removing or changing the exemption for small retailers; and forcing retailers to blend ethanol with premium unleaded.


Consumer choice will be priorities, says Minister for Better Regulation Victor Dominello.

In 2012, Barry O'Farrell's Coalition government backed down on a plan to scrap unleaded fuel following a backlash after leaked cabinet advice said it would drive up petrol prices.

Mark McKenzie, chief executive of the Australasian Convenience and Petroleum Marketers Association, called on the government to compensate retailers if the exemption scheme is scrapped or altered, without which retailers would pass upgrade costs onto motorists.

He said an 8¢ a litre hike for three years would cover the estimated $326.6 million upgrade cost to retailers not currently selling E10, but "more realistically" they would seek partial recovery of up to $204 million by lifting prices by 5¢ a litre.

However, the rest of the industry would likely take advantage by lifting their prices by slightly less, so the estimated extra cost to motorists at the pump is put at between $295 million and $468 million a year for three years.

Greens MP John Kaye pointed out that Australia's largest ethanol producer, Manildra, has donated $4.3 million to the Liberals, Nationals and Labor since 1998 and had 20 meetings with nine Baird government ministers since September last year.

"Motorists and small businesses are being shackled to the profits of a major donor in the name of claimed environmental benefits that don't exist," he said.   :(

A Manildra spokeswoman said it had been "advocating for the enforcement of the bipartisan legislated 6 per cent fuel ethanol mandate" which "creates local jobs that cannot be exported or outsourced, creates cleaner, healthier air and strengthens our national security".

Innovation and Better Regulation Minister Victor Dominello said the government "is considering ways to better support the ethanol mandate in a way that is fair and prioritises consumer choice".

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by Dnarever on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:04am
Does anyone trust E10 ?

Last I heard it was like liquid cancer for cars.

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 7:18am
Manildra group, I seem to remember lil johnny giving Richard honan the sole licence for ethanol manufacture along with massive subsidies because he was a mate or a neighbour.

Quite a large contributor to the LNP if my memory serves me correct, we should have a look at this price rise a little closer.

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by Swagman on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 7:53am
Quit whinging Leftards.....it's to save the world from the doom of global warming and provide local jobs!

The Greenies being ultra hypocritical again..... ::)




Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by stunspore on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 8:18am
Maybe put back Johnny's petrol excise flat rate inside of Abbott's indexing...I don't know,  libs seem to have very little ideas at times.

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by mariacostel on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 8:19am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:04am:
Does anyone trust E10 ?

Last I heard it was like liquid cancer for cars.


The NSW police spent a lot of money on an FPV pursuit car.  An officer put E10 in it and destroyed the engine. No cars that must take 95 octane are supposed to use E10, leaving it to the province of smaller cars and small 4 cylinders or what my hubby calls 'Fisher-price cars'

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by Bam on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 3:49pm

Quote:
Greens MP John Kaye pointed out that Australia's largest ethanol producer, Manildra, has donated $4.3 million to the Liberals, Nationals and Labor since 1998 and had 20 meetings with nine Baird government ministers since September last year.

Just one in a long line of donors to the Coalition who will be fronting the forthcoming Royal Commission into Political Corruption!

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by Dnarever on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:06pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 8:19am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 6:04am:
Does anyone trust E10 ?

Last I heard it was like liquid cancer for cars.


The NSW police spent a lot of money on an FPV pursuit car.  An officer put E10 in it and destroyed the engine. No cars that must take 95 octane are supposed to use E10, leaving it to the province of smaller cars and small 4 cylinders or what my hubby calls 'Fisher-price cars'


I have been told that even small car engines will fall apart if you feed them E10 the only thing is that it takes a few years to break them. I don't know if modern small cars are being made to survive the stuff or not.

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by Dnarever on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:08pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 7:53am:
Quit whinging Leftards.....it's to save the world from the doom of global warming and provide local jobs!

The Greenies being ultra hypocritical again..... ::)


If you want to make it a political discussion I would point out that NSW had a Liberal Gov ?

I think it is just a bad idea whoever is pushing it.

Could have more to do with the states need to raise revenue in the face of the federal cut backs to funding in medical and education.

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by The Grappler on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 5:11pm
Dang and my local servo has E10 marked as 95 Octane.... that's why I use it..... I'll use the other stuff....

Title: Re: Motorists Warned Of Petrol Price Sting
Post by The Grappler on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 5:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 2nd, 2015 at 7:53am:
Quit whinging Leftards.....it's to save the world from the doom of global warming and provide local jobs!

The Greenies being ultra hypocritical again..... ::)


If you want to make it a political discussion I would point out that NSW had a Liberal Gov ?

I think it is just a bad idea whoever is pushing it.

Could have more to do with the states need to raise revenue in the face of the federal cut backs to funding in medical and education.


What happened to the $20bn intake from flogging off the Wires and Poles.... not that the Poles would appreciate that... or they might.. depending on flogging off's definition...

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